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Charge for tree removal offset by value of wood ?
Hello, at my new house I have a fairly large oak tree about 8 feet from
the house. The trunk is about 16" in diameter, the tree is like 40' tall. This is a dumb place to have a tree, a lightning strike would be a problem and the roots could mess up my slab. Since there's plenty of other trees farther out in the yard I am thinking about removing this one. Would a tree removal service offset the cost of the job by the value of the wood, assuming I let them keep the wood ? I don't need the wood, certainly not the boxcar load this tree represents. Thank you. |
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using the tree as lumber is not likely, because trees from other than
natural settings are assumed to have hardware buried in the wood, thus endangering a sawmill. bill wrote in message ups.com... Hello, at my new house I have a fairly large oak tree about 8 feet from the house. The trunk is about 16" in diameter, the tree is like 40' tall. This is a dumb place to have a tree, a lightning strike would be a problem and the roots could mess up my slab. Since there's plenty of other trees farther out in the yard I am thinking about removing this one. Would a tree removal service offset the cost of the job by the value of the wood, assuming I let them keep the wood ? I don't need the wood, certainly not the boxcar load this tree represents. Thank you. |
I got someone to do this for me, however it was a black walnut which is
quite valuable. Someone here at work was able to finagle the same deal with an oak, though. Put an ad on the free stuff section of your local craigslist (offer free lumber with the stipulation that the tree must be taken down) and see what happens. Just be sure you check out who's coming to do it, i.e. make sure they're experienced, insured, etc. (Oh, and just ignore the e-mails from sniveling flower children condemning you for wanting to chop down a tree on your own property.) Good luck, Nate wrote in message ups.com... Hello, at my new house I have a fairly large oak tree about 8 feet from the house. The trunk is about 16" in diameter, the tree is like 40' tall. This is a dumb place to have a tree, a lightning strike would be a problem and the roots could mess up my slab. Since there's plenty of other trees farther out in the yard I am thinking about removing this one. Would a tree removal service offset the cost of the job by the value of the wood, assuming I let them keep the wood ? I don't need the wood, certainly not the boxcar load this tree represents. Thank you. |
wrote: Hello, at my new house I have a fairly large oak tree about 8 feet from the house. The trunk is about 16" in diameter, the tree is like 40' tall. This is a dumb place to have a tree, a lightning strike would be a problem and the roots could mess up my slab. Since there's plenty of other trees farther out in the yard I am thinking about removing this one. Would a tree removal service offset the cost of the job by the value of the wood, assuming I let them keep the wood ? I don't need the wood, certainly not the boxcar load this tree represents. Thank you. In a word: No. The value of the timber in a small tree like that comes nowhere near the price they will quote for removal. Then the market for a residential tree is generally zip due to probably metal inclusion. It is going to be in the several hundred dollar range and if climbing is required it will really be high. I had a fir in much the same situation. I tried to deal with them to just fall the tree and take the wood for firewood. I would do the clean up. They only knocked off around $100 on a $500 quote (guestimated prices now, it was years ago). I finally fell it myself. Harry K |
Roger,
It will be extremely difficult to work out the deal that you want. The average tree removal company in your area does not have crews trained in harvesting lumber. They are trained to get trees down in residential areas quickly and safely. Commercial loggers, on the other hand, can "drop" a 40' tree with one cut in a forest - often with a piece of equipment which grips the tree, cuts it at the base, delimbs it and loads it on a truck. Commercial lumber companies have no interest in trees on your property. Imagine the cost of repairing a 8' or 16' veneer blade which gets destroyed by a hidden nail. When the tree was 20' tall, did the previous owner correctly remove ALL branches up to 8' high and when the tree was about 30' tall did he remove all branches up to 16' high? This is very important for producing knot-free veneers and lumber. An individual may be interested in harvesting the lumber from your tree, but he is not going to drop the tree as safely as somebody who is just motivated to remove the tree. He may have little knowledge of bringing down a tree near a house and he will want to bring the tree down in as many huge pieces as possible. Who pays when he drops a large limb through your roof? My advice? Pay to have the tree brought down professionally, have the wood cut up into appropriate fireplace sizes and line up a buyer for the firewood. Most tree companies would charge you extra to haul off that valuable wood, so you will save the cost of wood removal and you will also get a few dollars from the sale of the firewood. But it will still be an expensive. Good luck, Gideon wrote in message . com... Hello, at my new house I have a fairly large oak tree about 8 feet from the house. The trunk is about 16" in diameter, the tree is like 40' tall. This is a dumb place to have a tree, a lightning strike would be a problem and the roots could mess up my slab. Since there's plenty of other trees farther out in the yard I am thinking about removing this one. Would a tree removal service offset the cost of the job by the value of the wood, assuming I let them keep the wood ? I don't need the wood, certainly not the boxcar load this tree represents. Thank you. |
my experiences have taught me that Mexicans can remove the tree cheaper. :o)
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"FreddyQ" wrote in message ... On 21 Apr 2005 05:24:49 -0700, wrote: Hello, at my new house I have a fairly large oak tree about 8 feet from the house. The trunk is about 16" in diameter, the tree is like 40' tall. Just put a sign in your yard and someone will remove it for the wood. Yes, they may. But 8' from the house, I'd want someone that is experienced and insured. |
wrote in message ups.com... Hello, at my new house I have a fairly large oak tree about 8 feet from the house. The trunk is about 16" in diameter, the tree is like 40' tall. This is a dumb place to have a tree, a lightning strike would be a problem and the roots could mess up my slab. Since there's plenty of other trees farther out in the yard I am thinking about removing this one. Would a tree removal service offset the cost of the job by the value of the wood, assuming I let them keep the wood ? I don't need the wood, certainly not the boxcar load this tree represents. Thank you. Lightning strike on your property is going to be a problem anyway. Even if it does not hit your house. If the tree is 16 inches in diameter and 40 feet tall is has already attacked the slab IF it has done so. If the tree is healthily I would leave it alone and thank the person that planted it. |
"AlanBown" wrote in message If the tree is healthily I would leave it alone and thank the person that planted it. I recall that a typical shade tree is equal to about 12,000 Btu air conditioner. |
thinking about removing this one. Would a tree removal service offset the cost of the job by the value of the wood, assuming I let them keep the wood ? I don't need the wood, certainly not the boxcar load this tree represents. Probably not. You could almost certainly find a woodworker who'd be willing to do it, though. If you're not willing to let a talented amature do it, you MIGHT be able to find someone who's willing to pay the tree company to take the thing down in return for the wood. This is, of course, more likely if the tree is unusually cool for some reason. If it's infested with carpenter ants and about to come down by itself, you're SOL. |
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dadiOH wrote:
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wrote in message ups.com... Hello, at my new house I have a fairly large oak tree about 8 feet from the house. The trunk is about 16" in diameter, the tree is like 40' tall. This is a dumb place to have a tree, a lightning strike would be a problem and the roots could mess up my slab. Since there's plenty of other trees farther out in the yard I am thinking about removing this one. Would a tree removal service offset the cost of the job by the value of the wood, assuming I let them keep the wood ? I don't need the wood, certainly not the boxcar load this tree represents. Thank you. Probably not. If they will stack it, you can sell it yourself. But, people who would buy it like it split. If it is not split, it won't sell for as much, as the buyer has to spend time and money splitting it. You might come out money ahead, but not a lot, IMHO. Still a few cords of oak is worth some $$$ depending on the area. Where I used to live, it was about $130 a cord, and that was 15 years ago. Steve |
We don't have a great need for firewood in Florida, and many of the tree
trimmers here (including the electric companies) bring a chipper to the job and chip everything up. When that happens somewhere near me, I get them to dump the chips on my lot, and it keeps me in mulch. The neighbor three doors down just had two big oaks removed. The chips were left at my place and (a) I'll have enough mulch for my garden beds for the next year, (b) the arborist doesn't have to pay the county to dump the debris, and (c) none of this desirable material goes into the landfill -- a win-win-win situation. Regards -- "SteveB" wrote in message news:PG%9e.57924$A31.46376@fed1read03... wrote in message ups.com... Hello, at my new house I have a fairly large oak tree about 8 feet from the house. The trunk is about 16" in diameter, the tree is like 40' tall. This is a dumb place to have a tree, a lightning strike would be a problem and the roots could mess up my slab. Since there's plenty of other trees farther out in the yard I am thinking about removing this one. Would a tree removal service offset the cost of the job by the value of the wood, assuming I let them keep the wood ? I don't need the wood, certainly not the boxcar load this tree represents. Thank you. Probably not. If they will stack it, you can sell it yourself. But, people who would buy it like it split. If it is not split, it won't sell for as much, as the buyer has to spend time and money splitting it. You might come out money ahead, but not a lot, IMHO. Still a few cords of oak is worth some $$$ depending on the area. Where I used to live, it was about $130 a cord, and that was 15 years ago. Steve |
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Bill wrote: On 21 Apr 2005 05:24:49 -0700, wrote: Hello, at my new house I have a fairly large oak tree about 8 feet from the house. The trunk is about 16" in diameter, the tree is like 40' tall. This is a dumb place to have a tree, a lightning strike would be a problem and the roots could mess up my slab. Since there's plenty of other trees farther out in the yard I am thinking about removing this one. Would a tree removal service offset the cost of the job by the value of the wood, assuming I let them keep the wood ? I don't need the wood, certainly not the boxcar load this tree represents. Thank you. Why not get yourself a chainsaw for $500 and cut the tree down yourself? Thats what I did this spring when a thunder storm dropped one of my trees on a neighbors fence and I had to cut two other dead ones. Don't be intimidated by the size of the tree and it's proximity to the house. Get a ladder and tie a rope high in the tree and have someone hold the rope while you cut the tree. My wife was amazed watching me drop those trees away from our house. There's an informative web site sponsored by the OSHA division of the United States government which shows you how to safely "notch and fell a tree". Before attempting the removal of the trees in my yard, I have probably cut down 50 or more trees in forest areas for fire wood in years past. I do have some experience felling trees so my confidence level was pretty high before I attempted the job. Come to think of it, I have been injured several times cutting trees over the years, once pulled the chainsaw into my kneecap while cutting a stump and another time stretched or snapped something in my knee trying to hold back a four ton tree with my rope. I guess most people would say I am an experienced amateur tree cutter. It can be very dangerous work if you don't understand the dynamics of cutting trees. I usually have to get my education the hard way! Regards, Bill Sorry but I disagree. Anyone who thinks that someone 'holding a rope' on a falling tree is good practice is not 'an experienced amateur', he is a dangerous amateur who has no clue about chainsaws, falling etc. The mere fact that you have cut yourself (at least once) shows that. Falling 50 trees in a forest is a far, far different thing than falling one next to a house. Harry K |
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:59:16 GMT, Bill
wrote: On 21 Apr 2005 05:24:49 -0700, wrote: Hello, at my new house I have a fairly large oak tree about 8 feet from the house. The trunk is about 16" in diameter, the tree is like 40' tall. This is a dumb place to have a tree, a lightning strike would be a problem and the roots could mess up my slab. Since there's plenty of other trees farther out in the yard I am thinking about removing this one. Would a tree removal service offset the cost of the job by the value of the wood, assuming I let them keep the wood ? I don't need the wood, certainly not the boxcar load this tree represents. Thank you. Why not get yourself a chainsaw for $500 and cut the tree down yourself? fruitloop advice. this is a huge tree, real close to the house. the OP is a home-owner. not a logger. he will have to pay to get this done safely. cheap considering what his house is worth. on the other hand, thanks for the OSHA pointer. I cut trees up north at the cottage and I admit I don't know much. But I do it. There's lots of important info at: http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/logging/index.html ....thehick |
"Bill" wrote in message Why not get yourself a chainsaw for $500 and cut the tree down yourself? Before attempting the removal of the trees in my yard, I have probably cut down 50 or more trees in forest areas for fire wood in years past. I do have some experience felling trees so my confidence level was pretty high before I attempted the job. So you therfore think it is safe for a rank amature to fell a 40 foot tree 8 feet from his house? This is some of the scariest advice I have ever seen. I too have sfelled some trees and own a chainsaw and I'm fairly competant, but I'd not attempt it on my own house. It can be very dangerous work if you don't understand the dynamics of cutting trees. No ****, and this is not the tree to learn on. |
Goedjn wrote:
thinking about removing this one. Would a tree removal service offset the cost of the job by the value of the wood, assuming I let them keep the wood ? I don't need the wood, certainly not the boxcar load this tree represents. Probably not. You could almost certainly find a woodworker who'd be willing to do it, though. If you're not willing to let a talented amature do it, you MIGHT be able to find someone who's willing to pay the tree company to take the thing down in return for the wood. This is, of course, more likely if the tree is unusually cool for some reason. If it's infested with carpenter ants and about to come down by itself, you're SOL. Woodworkers usually want dry, aged wood. This minimizes splitting and twisting. |
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:43:35 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote: "Bill" wrote in message Why not get yourself a chainsaw for $500 and cut the tree down yourself? Before attempting the removal of the trees in my yard, I have probably cut down 50 or more trees in forest areas for fire wood in years past. I do have some experience felling trees so my confidence level was pretty high before I attempted the job. So you therfore think it is safe for a rank amature to fell a 40 foot tree 8 feet from his house? well...as my Grand Daddy always told me...poor folks has to have poor ways and do the best they can! Bill |
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 15:52:04 GMT, Bill
wrote: On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:43:35 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote: "Bill" wrote in message Why not get yourself a chainsaw for $500 and cut the tree down yourself? Before attempting the removal of the trees in my yard, I have probably cut down 50 or more trees in forest areas for fire wood in years past. I do have some experience felling trees so my confidence level was pretty high before I attempted the job. So you therfore think it is safe for a rank amature to fell a 40 foot tree 8 feet from his house? well...as my Grand Daddy always told me...poor folks has to have poor ways and do the best they can! Bill You and your grandaddy are right on. I agree with you 100%. Sounds like a fun and exciting project and the danger and risk of it falling on the house makes it even more exciting! I'd climb the tree and start cutting off inside limbs first. Try to make the tree balanced on the side opposite the house. Then put a couple of cables on the tree to hold it off the house. And finally just make some of those wedge cuts so the tree falls away from the house. |
"JimL" wrote You and your grandaddy are right on. I agree with you 100%. Sounds like a fun and exciting project and the danger and risk of it falling on the house makes it even more exciting! My ex-father-in-law was a true blue Louisiana coonass. Came from poor people who made things, and never threw away a nail, but straightened them to reuse. The thing that bothered him most in life was the idea that there was something he could not do. He build drilling derricks, and was the top of his field internationally when it came to climbing and rigging. There was a branch rubbing on the house. He's going to go up on the roof and cut it off with a chainsaw. My brother in law and I get lawn chairs and a beer and pick a good spot to watch. First he goes up on the second story roof with a chain saw, which he fires up and waves at the branch. Can't reach it. Goes down and gets a milk crate, which, fortunately is the old kind made out of wood with metal edging. Puts the milk crate on the pitched roof, stands on the milk crate, fires up the chainsaw, and waves it at the branch. Still too short. He goes back down and gets a piece of cut wood about 14" in diameter and 12" long. Climbs back up and puts this on the milk crate, which is sitting on the pitched roof. Fires up the chainsaw. Climbs to the top of this Rube Goldberg ladder, which is right at the edge of the roof. Takes a couple of waves at the limb, and down the limb goes. Not one of the craziest thing I have ever seen him do, but definitely in the top ten. Steve |
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Sounds like a fun and exciting project and the danger and risk of it falling on the house makes it even more exciting! The trouble is, the direction the tree FALLS isn't what's going to do the damage. It's fairly easy to control where the TOP of the tree goes. THe problem is, when the tree hits the ground, slams down on those branches, and then springs back, it's may decide to drive the butt right through the side of the house. And if you've got a tow-chain attached to your car to keep it from doing that, it will rip your car in half in the process. THEN the tree will roll, at which point it will wind up one of your two upper guy-lines, which will snap, at which point the end of the guy-line will pass through your dog at about mach 1.7. |
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:01:15 -0500, JimL wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 15:52:04 GMT, Bill wrote: On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:43:35 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote: "Bill" wrote in message Why not get yourself a chainsaw for $500 and cut the tree down yourself? Before attempting the removal of the trees in my yard, I have probably cut down 50 or more trees in forest areas for fire wood in years past. I do have some experience felling trees so my confidence level was pretty high before I attempted the job. So you therfore think it is safe for a rank amature to fell a 40 foot tree 8 feet from his house? well...as my Grand Daddy always told me...poor folks has to have poor ways and do the best they can! Bill You and your grandaddy are right on. I agree with you 100%. Sounds like a fun and exciting project and the danger and risk of it falling on the house makes it even more exciting! I'd climb the tree and start cutting off inside limbs first. Try to make the tree balanced on the side opposite the house. Then put a couple of cables on the tree to hold it off the house. And finally just make some of those wedge cuts so the tree falls away from the house. LOL. You guys are funny. We gotta film this and send it in to Americas Funniest Video. |
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:46:58 -0500, JimL wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:01:15 -0500, JimL wrote: On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 15:52:04 GMT, Bill wrote: On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:43:35 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote: "Bill" wrote in message Why not get yourself a chainsaw for $500 and cut the tree down yourself? Before attempting the removal of the trees in my yard, I have probably cut down 50 or more trees in forest areas for fire wood in years past. I do have some experience felling trees so my confidence level was pretty high before I attempted the job. So you therfore think it is safe for a rank amature to fell a 40 foot tree 8 feet from his house? well...as my Grand Daddy always told me...poor folks has to have poor ways and do the best they can! Bill You and your grandaddy are right on. I agree with you 100%. Sounds like a fun and exciting project and the danger and risk of it falling on the house makes it even more exciting! I'd climb the tree and start cutting off inside limbs first. Try to make the tree balanced on the side opposite the house. Then put a couple of cables on the tree to hold it off the house. And finally just make some of those wedge cuts so the tree falls away from the house. LOL. You guys are funny. We gotta film this and send it in to Americas Funniest Video. it ain't Rocket Science Jim! I can cut pretty near any tree that is standing near a house...the problem is that as it's coming down it may create some "uncontroled demolition" that I don't want to deal with... Bill |
William W. Plummer wrote: Bill wrote: On 21 Apr 2005 05:24:49 -0700, wrote: Hello, at my new house I have a fairly large oak tree about 8 feet from the house. The trunk is about 16" in diameter, the tree is like 40' tall. This is a dumb place to have a tree, a lightning strike would be a problem and the roots could mess up my slab. Since there's plenty of other trees farther out in the yard I am thinking about removing this one. Would a tree removal service offset the cost of the job by the value of the wood, assuming I let them keep the wood ? I don't need the wood, certainly not the boxcar load this tree represents. Thank you. Why not get yourself a chainsaw for $500 and cut the tree down yourself? Thats what I did this spring when a thunder storm dropped one of my trees on a neighbors fence and I had to cut two other dead ones. Don't be intimidated by the size of the tree and it's proximity to the house. Get a ladder and tie a rope high in the tree and have someone hold the rope while you cut the tree. My wife was amazed watching me drop those trees away from our house. There's an informative web site sponsored by the OSHA division of the United States government which shows you how to safely "notch and fell a tree". Before attempting the removal of the trees in my yard, I have probably cut down 50 or more trees in forest areas for fire wood in years past. I do have some experience felling trees so my confidence level was pretty high before I attempted the job. Come to think of it, I have been injured several times cutting trees over the years, once pulled the chainsaw into my kneecap while cutting a stump and another time stretched or snapped something in my knee trying to hold back a four ton tree with my rope. I guess most people would say I am an experienced amateur tree cutter. It can be very dangerous work if you don't understand the dynamics of cutting trees. I usually have to get my education the hard way! What do you call the tree-climbing gadgets that strap to the inside of your legs and have sharp barbs? Can these be rented? Where can they be purchased? Climbing irons or gaffs. Doubt if a rental outfit would handle them due to the danger of amateur useage. You also need a climbing belt to use them. Harry K |
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wrote: I got someone to do this for me, however it was a black walnut which is quite valuable. Someone here at work was able to finagle the same deal with an oak, though. Put an ad on the free stuff section of your local craigslist (offer free lumber with the stipulation that the tree must be taken down) and see what happens. Just be sure you check out who's coming to do it, i.e. make sure they're experienced, insured, etc. (Oh, and just ignore the e-mails from sniveling flower children condemning you for wanting to chop down a tree on your own property.) Good luck, Nate Yeah. The OP better not live in Santa Barbara county. Chop down an oak tree here and it's a capital offense. They also come after your first-born child, your dog and sometimes even your neighbors. No kidding. We have an actual "Oak Removal Ordinance." For every live oak you remove, you have to replant 10. -Frank -- fwarner1-at-franksknives-dot-com Here's some of my work: http://www.franksknives.com/ |
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