heatpump question?
 

I live in northern virginia and have two outside Trane heat pumps for
a 2 zone HVAC system. Recently I've heard one of the outside heatpump
units operating without its corresponding inside blower. Is this
normal?
I've never noticed this before before, and was wondering if this might
be a system problem.
Thanks for your help!

It's Broke! Shut off the outdoor unit at the breaker before the danage
becomes permanent. It could be in the outdoor unit, indoor unit,
thermostat or wiring. If you shut it off fast enough, you will most
likely prevent serious damage.

Then call a compentent tech. This is an electrical problem, beyond
DIY.

Stretch

"stretch" wrote in message
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It's Broke! Shut off the outdoor unit at the breaker before the danage
becomes permanent. It could be in the outdoor unit, indoor unit,
thermostat or wiring. If you shut it off fast enough, you will most
likely prevent serious damage.

Then call a compentent tech. This is an electrical problem, beyond
DIY.

Stretch


Oh yea...nothing like a Climatuff going POOF!

On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 23:45:53 -0400, "Steve@carolinabreezehvac"
wrote:


"stretch" wrote in message
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It's Broke! Shut off the outdoor unit at the breaker before the danage
becomes permanent. It could be in the outdoor unit, indoor unit,
thermostat or wiring. If you shut it off fast enough, you will most
likely prevent serious damage.

Then call a compentent tech. This is an electrical problem, beyond
DIY.

Stretch


Oh yea...nothing like a Climatuff going POOF!

Remember Snowball ? Long live Snowball :-)


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On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 23:45:53 -0400, "Steve@carolinabreezehvac"
wrote:


"stretch" wrote in message
roups.com...
It's Broke! Shut off the outdoor unit at the breaker before the danage
becomes permanent. It could be in the outdoor unit, indoor unit,
thermostat or wiring. If you shut it off fast enough, you will most
likely prevent serious damage.

Then call a compentent tech. This is an electrical problem, beyond
DIY.

Stretch


Oh yea...nothing like a Climatuff going POOF!

Remember Snowball ? Long live Snowball :-)

Snowball got lucky...:)
If they were all Snowballs, there would be no need for
replacements....ever...or for at least 25 years....and if I remember
correctly, Snowball NEVER was cut off....I might be wrong on that, but I was
under the impression that it ran from day one, with no power interruptions.



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Steve

If he is cooling then it will just freeze up and possibly live through
it, depending on hoiw many hours or days he runs it like that. If it
is in heat mode, he will have a VERY high head pressure, Then the
internal pressure relief trips, blowing hot gas into the suction and
overheating the motor. The compressor trips on internal overload and
shust off for a while. Then the overload resets and the whole thing
repeats. Not good for the compressor. It may survive, but why take a
chance. And, yes I remember Snowball. It took years of abuse to kill
it! But I prefer not to abuse equipment on purpose.

Stretch

"stretch" wrote in message
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Steve

If he is cooling then it will just freeze up and possibly live through
it, depending on hoiw many hours or days he runs it like that. If it
is in heat mode, he will have a VERY high head pressure, Then the
internal pressure relief trips, blowing hot gas into the suction and
overheating the motor. The compressor trips on internal overload and
shust off for a while. Then the overload resets and the whole thing
repeats. Not good for the compressor. It may survive, but why take a
chance. And, yes I remember Snowball. It took years of abuse to kill
it! But I prefer not to abuse equipment on purpose.

Stretch


I know what happens to them, but my point was, no matter how good the
equipment , the question isnt IF it will fail, but WHEN.
Therefore, why risk a Snowball wannabe when he has no need to try to
duplicate the experiment of years ago??
The fact that hes asking for a head pressure that MIGHT exceed over 300psi
isnt a good thing, and what if the internals bad, or stuck?
Better yet what if its not charged right as it is, the internals stuck, and
hes got a weak spot in the *A* coil?
Dont tell me you havent seen that....that a common thing at least here, and
you are not far from us..
And people wonder why we had a garden hose on the vans for winter
services...LOL

Sorry Steve, I thought that we were disagreeing, but I see now that we
both agree. I must have misread your post.

BTW we should both be in bed at this hour :-).


Stretch

"stretch" wrote in message
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Sorry Steve, I thought that we were disagreeing, but I see now that we
both agree. I must have misread your post.

BTW we should both be in bed at this hour :-).


Stretch


Its not 12:41...its 11:41...I HATE this time of year.
LOL

Anyway...just got back in a while ago...had some paperwork to do and this
was the next thing to do before hand..
Besides, Im taking the next week off basically. Gonna trap shoot Monday and
Tuesday with the wife and some friends, and then, run a couple of little
service calls on Wends, and go trout fishin at the falls Friday and
Sat...who knows what Thursdays gonna be?
I got the other guys working light this week as well...its out standard
transition from winter to spring stuff, and it gives them a basically paid
slow week to be on light shifts, and work as needed...only have a couple of
insurance jobs Monday, a couple of light installs on Wends, and whatever
comes in daily will get dispatched out as needed.
Sleep? At this hour? Are you on drugs? LOL

Hi idreos, hope you are having a nice day

On 03-Apr-05 At About 08:01:34, idreos wrote to All
Subject: heatpump question?

i From: "idreos"

i I live in northern virginia and have two outside Trane heat pumps
i for a 2 zone HVAC system. Recently I've heard one of the outside
i heatpump units operating without its corresponding inside blower. Is
i this normal? I've never noticed this before before, and was
i wondering if this might be a system problem. Thanks for your help!

This is a problem and should be looked at immediately. I would turn off the
breaker for the outdoor unit until the problem is corrected.


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Are you sure it's not just running a few minutes after the inside
blower shuts off? My heat pump does this, but I assumed it's part of
the normal shutoff.

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Are you sure it's not just running a few minutes after the inside
blower shuts off? My heat pump does this, but I assumed it's part of
the normal shutoff.


Should be the other way around.

Units normally have a delay built in that works like this.

Call for heat, outdoor unit starts and runs for 30 to 45 seconds to start
refrigeration process (in the case of a heat pump, its STILL a refrigeration
process) and gain head pressure and heat at the indoor coil, indoor blower
starts, runs till thermostat is satisfied, outdoor unit shuts off, and
indoor blower runs up to 180 seconds to strip remaining heat from indoor
coil.

"idreos" wrote in message
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I live in northern virginia and have two outside Trane heat pumps for
a 2 zone HVAC system. Recently I've heard one of the outside heatpump
units operating without its corresponding inside blower. Is this
normal?
I've never noticed this before before, and was wondering if this might
be a system problem.
Thanks for your help!

Depends:

Your air handler probably has a dely on/off (especially if it's one of the
newer variable speed units). Delay could be as much as 60 seconds on start
up and as much as 180 seconds on shutdown.

It has probably ALWAYS ran that way and (as you mentioned) you just never
noticed it.

If you haven't had the system checked out in a while, it might not be a bad
idea.

Is there a possobitlity it is in defrost?

--
Bob Pietrangelo


www.comfort-solution.biz
On Time or Your Service Call is FREE
Preventive Maintenance Specialist




"stretch" wrote in message
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It's Broke! Shut off the outdoor unit at the breaker before the danage
becomes permanent. It could be in the outdoor unit, indoor unit,
thermostat or wiring. If you shut it off fast enough, you will most
likely prevent serious damage.

Then call a compentent tech. This is an electrical problem, beyond
DIY.

Stretch

I concur with everyone and should have read it say, indoor blower, I thought
he meant the condenser fan motor. If it is the blower motor, than
absolutely turn off the disconnect and or breaker for that HP and call the
HVAC co.. If it is the OUTSIDE blower that stopped running it could be a
defrost cycle.

--
Bob Pietrangelo


www.comfort-solution.biz
On Time or Your Service Call is FREE
Preventive Maintenance Specialist




"stretch" wrote in message
oups.com...
It's Broke! Shut off the outdoor unit at the breaker before the danage
becomes permanent. It could be in the outdoor unit, indoor unit,
thermostat or wiring. If you shut it off fast enough, you will most
likely prevent serious damage.

Then call a compentent tech. This is an electrical problem, beyond
DIY.

Stretch

wrote in message
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Are you sure it's not just running a few minutes after the inside
blower shuts off? My heat pump does this, but I assumed it's part of
the normal shutoff.


If what you have said is correct and the thermostat has stopped calling
for heat or cool and the outdoor unit is still running. You do have a
problem that needs to be checked out. I also agree with the replies that
said this unit should be shut down before more damage can be done.

Joseph