Mosquito control -- Standing water: how to drain water from tires.
 

Maybe I'm missing something but who stores tires on their property? If
for some reason you do, I'm thinking that it would easier to use a
drill with a large bit to make several large holes in the tires for
drainage?

"Eric" wrote in message
...
wrote:

With countless tires stored outdoors, rainwater & snowmelt gather in
tires; providing a breeding-ground for mosquitoes; especially with
warmer weather arriving.

Since it is difficult to discard water from tires, one solution is to
cut-off the sidewalls of tires; hence allowing water to drain easily.
This can be done with basic knives available at any hardware and home
improvement stores.

Uh huh, right! and how many sidewalls have you cut? No doubt none!
Idiot, try your own advice before you offer it to others. Lets see
how much you enjoy cutting several thousand sidewalls off of tires.
In fact go ahead and try cutting the sidewalls off of just one tire
and see if that doesnt give you something new to think about...
Eric

LOL - I have tried it - and I'm with you - agree that "findist" has no idea
what he or she is talking about. The "rubber" is tough enough to get thru
but when you hit those steel belts they are a real bugger. Tried skill saw,
saws-all, hand grinder, etc - and eventually decided it was a waste of
time - definately not worth it - not a solution.



An additional benefit can also help with the easy disposal of tires; as
parts of tires can be placed in recycling bins.

Speaking of recycling, tire-recycling initiatives can get a boost; as
the sidewalls of tires (easily available in tire parts) do not contain
steel belts,
which may make sidewalls valued for ease of recycling.

The Bald Ass Prairie Farm rosielle@telus wrote:
"quietguy" wrote in message

much easier to just pop a desertspoon or so of kero in each tyre - stops
the mossies from breeding

Or just soap, they breed and the larva drown.

Or, don't store tires outside in the rain.

Anthony

" wrote in
oups.com:

Maybe I'm missing something but who stores tires on their property? If
for some reason you do, I'm thinking that it would easier to use a
drill with a large bit to make several large holes in the tires for
drainage?

I'm thinking it'd be easier to get rid of the tires!

Anthony Matonak wrote:
The Bald Ass Prairie Farm rosielle@telus wrote:
"quietguy" wrote in
message

much easier to just pop a desertspoon or so of kero in each tyre -
stops
the mossies from breeding

Or just soap, they breed and the larva drown.

Or, don't store tires outside in the rain.

Anthony

And what is that bit about re-cycling?? Never heard of any effort to
set up bins for rubber.

Harry K

wrote in message
oups.com...

Maybe I'm missing something but who stores tires on their property? If

So long as it does not dry out (say within 10 days)
a hoof print (of a cow, deer or horse) holds
enough rainwater to support mosquito larvae.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

HOLD ON A MINUTE!!

* FIRST OF ALL: I only had two tires on my property (like most people
have)-- I only cut off two sidewalls: one from each tire. This allowed
water to drain. Yes it was a "small challenge" to cut rubber; yet it
was easier than the gym!!

* SECOND: If recycling parts of the tire material; so as to easily
palce the parts into a recycling bin, I would use a simple template
with a knife in order to efficiently guide, and cut round pieces of
sidewalls.

* THIRD: Communicating on newsgroups can be like the classic story of
the "Six Blind Men and the Elephhant" e.g., where perfectly intelligent
suggestions are misconstrued as stupid!

Drilling several large holes in the sidewalls is an option; even though
the water would drain slowly. Drilling holes into the tread (with steel
belts and all) is difficult and may wear-out the drillbit.

Again, the objective here is to recycle tires. Disposing tires whole
may be difficult; as many landfills do not accept whole tires.
Recycling parts of the tire material (which are valued for recycling
efforts) so as to easily place the parts into a recycling bin is
simplified; by means of a cutting-knife mounted on a simlpe template in
order to efficiently guide, and cut round pieces of sidewalls.

One reply suggested a "time-saving option" of drilling several large
holes; even though the water would drain slowly.

Drilling holes into the tread (with steel belts and all) is difficult
and may wear-out the drillbit. Drilling holes in the sidewalls are
"least problematic."

Again, recycling parts of the tire material (which are valued for
recycling efforts as well as valued for the ease of placing tire-parts
into a recycling bin) is simplified; by means of a cutting-knife
mounted on a simple template in order to efficiently guide, and cut
round pieces of sidewalls.

Tire parts can easily be placed into existing recycling-bins. Since the
sidewalls don't contain embedded steel-belts, the sidwalls would be
valued by recycing industries. "Buyback programs would be an even
better idea than just placing tire parts in recycling bins!"

In article . com, wrote:
Tire parts can easily be placed into existing recycling-bins. Since the
sidewalls don't contain embedded steel-belts, the sidwalls would be
valued by recycing industries. "Buyback programs would be an even
better idea than just placing tire parts in recycling bins!"

Who's going to fund the buy-back programs?


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Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?

Now it seems to me the idiot is the one who stockpiled several thousand
tires so tread (no pun intended) lightly with someone trying to help
you........I used to be in the refuse business and there was a short
period of time when you could actually sell used tires and nimrods like
yourself dove in headfirst and started collecting tires to get rich
quick........problem is you didn't follow the regulations on when the
payments were going to stop.......if you only have several thousand
maybe buy a bunch of rope and start selling tire swings.........ya
think......???......what a jerk......now tell me someone else put those
tires there.........you are just as stupid for not making them remove
them as a condition of sale........good luck Eric and don't be so quick
to treat people trying to help like ****......

Brad

LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED
BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... "
HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!"

In article ,
Eric wrote:
wrote:

[ ... ]
Since it is difficult to discard water from tires, one solution is to
cut-off the sidewalls of tires; hence allowing water to drain easily.
This can be done with basic knives available at any hardware and home
improvement stores.

Uh huh, right! and how many sidewalls have you cut? No doubt none!
Idiot, try your own advice before you offer it to others. Lets see
how much you enjoy cutting several thousand sidewalls off of tires.

It's apparently not that difficult. In Pennsylvania, the sidewalls
are popular for weighting down tarps and other covers on farms.

In fact go ahead and try cutting the sidewalls off of just one tire
and see if that doesnt give you something new to think about...

A past poster here was cutting off sidewalls, until she found that
the already-cut tread sections were available for making raised beds
in her garden. That made her life a bit easier, and her garden a lot
bigger...


Gary

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Windows is like SUVs; a bad idea, poorly implemented, unsafe, with a
lot of intept users, but a fact of life we have to put up with.

On 3/24/2005 9:26 AM US(ET), Harry K took fingers to keys, and typed the
following:

Anthony Matonak wrote:


The Bald Ass Prairie Farm rosielle@telus wrote:


"quietguy" wrote in


message


much easier to just pop a desertspoon or so of kero in each tyre -


stops


the mossies from breeding


Or just soap, they breed and the larva drown.


Or, don't store tires outside in the rain.

Anthony



And what is that bit about re-cycling?? Never heard of any effort to
set up bins for rubber.

Harry K


http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/recycling...rumbrubber.htm

--
Bill

"Tire parts can easily be placed into existing recycling-bins. Since
the
sidewalls don't contain embedded steel-belts, the sidwalls would be
valued by recycing industries. "

What a total moron. Every community that I'm aware of requires
recyclables to be seperated by type. And none of them accept tires or
tire parts as part of the std household recycling stream. Some will
take tires as part of a seperate special program, typically for a fee
and at a drop off location that is entirely seperate from the std
recycling pick up. And those are a headache to get rid of too. In
fact, here in NJ, the state recently instituted a tax on tires to help
pay for getting rid of them, because no one wants them.

wrote:
"Tire parts can easily be placed into existing recycling-bins. Since
the
sidewalls don't contain embedded steel-belts, the sidwalls would be
valued by recycing industries. "

Every community that I'm aware of requires
recyclables to be seperated by type. And none of them accept tires or
tire parts as part of the std household recycling stream.

Here in CA, most types of clean waste (styrofoam one of the exceptions)
can be placed (and mixed-in) the recycling bins e.g., all the different
types of paper, plastics, metals, etc. Nothing has been said about
rubber or tire-parts.

Some will
take tires as part of a seperate special program, typically for a fee
and at a drop off location that is entirely seperate from the std
recycling pick up.

When new tires are put on cars, the tire-shops charge an extra-fee to
customers who opt not to deal with the old tires.

And those are a headache to get rid of too. In
fact, here in NJ, the state recently instituted a tax on tires to
help
pay for getting rid of them, because no one wants them.

Crumb-rubber is increasingly valued as a road-paving additive.
Steel-belts in tires may damage even the industrial-standard equipment
that grinds tires into crumb-rubber; another reason for tire-recycling
industries to consider the tire-parts free of steel-belts!

"Anthony Matonak" wrote

Or, don't store tires outside in the rain.

Are you suggesting to store inside in the rain? Or bring them inside when
it's raining?

Blake wrote:
"Anthony Matonak" wrote
Or, don't store tires outside in the rain.

Are you suggesting to store inside in the rain? Or bring them inside when
it's raining?

Why store tires at all? What are you saving them for? How many tires do
you have that you can't find a place for them under some kind of cover?
You don't have a tire dump in the state? You don't have a garage, barn,
shed, tarp, or anything else?

I see this kind of "question" along the same lines of "How do you keep
your meth lab from blowing up?" and "The stack of old car batteries in
my back yard is starting to leak into my cesspool, what can I do?".

Anthony

Anthony Matonak wrote:

Blake wrote:
"Anthony Matonak" wrote
Or, don't store tires outside in the rain.

Are you suggesting to store inside in the rain? Or bring them inside when
it's raining?

Why store tires at all? What are you saving them for? How many tires do
you have that you can't find a place for them under some kind of cover?
You don't have a tire dump in the state? You don't have a garage, barn,
shed, tarp, or anything else?

It's good to keep one or two wheel-less tires around to tie to the front
or back of a car when you need to use one to push another.

I see this kind of "question" along the same lines of "How do you keep
your meth lab from blowing up?" and "The stack of old car batteries in
my back yard is starting to leak into my cesspool, what can I do?".

You've been spying in my neighborhood :-( You're wrong about the
cesspool, though, we were on city sewers long before we moved in 37
years ago. We did have a lab blow up up the street, though. Or maybe
it was just a small fire. Anyway, the hazmat team was there.

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people, too much authority from the states, and too much liberty
with the Constitution." -- Ronald Reagan

wrote:
Tire parts can easily be placed into existing recycling-bins. Since
the
sidewalls don't contain embedded steel-belts, the sidwalls would be
valued by recycing industries. "Buyback programs would be an even
better idea than just placing tire parts in recycling bins!"

By golly you're right. Lets see, there is "newspaper", there is
"cardboard" there is "steel cans" and over there "aluminum cans' Over
in that corner is the invisible bin for 'rubber'. In short, no, you
can't place it in existing bins, they don't exist...at least not in
this area.

Harry K

"Here in CA, most types of clean waste (styrofoam one of the
exceptions)
can be placed (and mixed-in) the recycling bins e.g., all the different

types of paper, plastics, metals, etc. Nothing has been said about
rubber or tire-parts. "

The fact that nothing has been said about tire parts or rubber pretty
much tells you that they don't want them in the recyclables, doesn't
it? I'm sure no one is regularly chopping up tires and putting them in
with the other standard recyclables. And if they did, what do you
think would happen to it when it gets to the recycling facility? Most
likely, it would get chucked into the stuff headed for the land fill.

I also find it interesting that in your area of CA you can just mix all
the recyclables together. It's very unusual to see paper mixed with
glass, cans etc. I would think this would make a big mess to try to
sort out. More typical is to have it seperated:

newpaper
mixed other paper
glass/cans/plastic

And event these typically have some restricitions. For example, glass
means containers, not window glass, and as you pointed out, plastic
means household containers, not styrofoam, etc. Some also require
glass seperated from metals.

Speaking of recycling, tire-recycling initiatives can get a boost; as
the sidewalls of tires (easily available in tire parts) do not contain
steel belts, which may make sidewalls valued for ease of
recycling.(snip)

There is often a steel cable embedded underneath the bead of the
sidewall.
One of the recycling technologies used for tires these days is to burn
them for the heat they generate, in a furnace designed for making
limestone into cement powder. It is efficient, with the ash becoming
part of the cement.
Years ago, I remember seeing tire treads cut and shaped into soles of
sandals made in Mexico. There was also a company here in the US that
made used inner tubes into purses and wallets. I don't know if they're
still around.
Steel belts have certainly complicated the recycling of tires, for
which there used to be a good market.-Jitney

wrote:
Speaking of recycling, tire-recycling initiatives can get a boost; as
the sidewalls of tires (easily available in tire parts) do not
contain
steel belts, which may make sidewalls valued for ease of
recycling.(snip)

There is often a steel cable embedded underneath the bead of the
sidewall.

Have "tire-recycling" industries considered equipment that cuts the
sidewalls off of the tread, and the steel cables off sidewalls? This
would be less expensive than equipment that processes whole tires;
where steel belts and cables can periodically wear-out equipment;
resulting in costly repairs.

One of the recycling technologies used for tires these days is to
burn
them for the heat they generate, in a furnace designed for making
limestone into cement powder. It is efficient, with the ash becoming
part of the cement.
Years ago, I remember seeing tire treads cut and shaped into soles
of
sandals made in Mexico. There was also a company here in the US that
made used inner tubes into purses and wallets. I don't know if
they're
still around.
Steel belts have certainly complicated the recycling of tires, for
which there used to be a good market.-Jitney

wrote:
"Here in CA, most types of clean waste (styrofoam one of the
exceptions)
can be placed (and mixed-in) the recycling bins e.g., all the
different

types of paper, plastics, metals, etc. Nothing has been said about
rubber or tire-parts. "

The fact that nothing has been said about tire parts or rubber pretty
much tells you that they don't want them in the recyclables, doesn't
it? I'm sure no one is regularly chopping up tires and putting them
in
with the other standard recyclables. And if they did, what do you
think would happen to it when it gets to the recycling facility?
Most
likely, it would get chucked into the stuff headed for the land fill.

Inquired to the agency that oversees recycling; tire-pieces cannot be
treated as rubber-scrap (even though rubber scrap takes-up over
ninety-percent less space than a "bulky tire").

I also find it interesting that in your area of CA you can just mix
all
the recyclables together. It's very unusual to see paper mixed with
glass, cans etc. I would think this would make a big mess to try to
sort out. More typical is to have it seperated:

newpaper
mixed other paper
glass/cans/plastic

To clarify: The "usually observed rule" is to put different materials
into different bags (even placing office-grade paper in separate bags).


And event these typically have some restricitions. For example,
glass
means containers, not window glass, and as you pointed out, plastic
means household containers, not styrofoam, etc. Some also require
glass seperated from metals.

As for the "tire-parts" i.e., rubber scrap, will the local tire shop
ocassionally waive the used-tire fee and accept tire scraps?

Why do you tires on your property, outside? Your neighbors must be
thrilled!

scordelia wrote:
Why do you tires on your property, outside? Your neighbors must be
thrilled!

I only had two tires that I stacked and used as a solar-heated planter.

"Scott en Aztlán" wrote:

On 28 Mar 2005 11:36:28 -0800, wrote:

I also find it interesting that in your area of CA you can just mix all
the recyclables together. It's very unusual to see paper mixed with
glass, cans etc. I would think this would make a big mess to try to
sort out. More typical is to have it seperated:

newpaper
mixed other paper
glass/cans/plastic

To clarify: The "usually observed rule" is to put different materials
into different bags (even placing office-grade paper in separate bags).

I've never observed that rule. In fact, I've never heard of it.

I've heard of it being done that way, but I certainly wouldn't be willing to
go to that much trouble -- probably what everybody else thought too. We (as a
city) pay extra to have stuff recycled. What that means is that we have fewer
than 5 gallons of trash to pay for every week, which is not bad.

I have always tossed all the recyclables into the barrel together.
Cans and bottles are usually thrown in loose, newspapers are often
(but not always) placed inside paper grocery bags, and shredded office
paper is contained in plastic garbage bags. Waste Management has never
complained.

Everything -- paper, plastic, metal, glass -- gets tossed loose into the
recycling bin, which is picked up by one of those huge automated trucks.
Every once in a while there's a picture in the paper of conveyor belts filled
with trash being sorted by white-garbed and -masked workers. I guess there
are worse jobs, but I wouldn't want one any more than the welfare louts do.

I wonder how they deal with all the broken glass, which it almost has to be by
the time the truck is nearly full.

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Cheers,
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into the User?" -- Steve Shaw, regarding Win95

Scott en Aztl=E1n wrote:
On 28 Mar 2005 11:36:28 -0800, wrote:

I also find it interesting that in your area of CA you can just
mix all
the recyclables together. It's very unusual to see paper mixed
with
glass, cans etc. I would think this would make a big mess to try
to
sort out. More typical is to have it seperated:

newpaper
mixed other paper
glass/cans/plastic

To clarify: The "usually observed rule" is to put different
materials
into different bags (even placing office-grade paper in separate
bags).

I've never observed that rule. In fact, I've never heard of it.

I have always tossed all the recyclables into the barrel together.
Cans and bottles are usually thrown in loose, newspapers are often
(but not always) placed inside paper grocery bags, and shredded
office
paper is contained in plastic garbage bags. Waste Management has
never
complained.

In fact, although "Single Stream" recycling is mentioned on their web
site,

http://www.wastemanagement.com/WM/services/homes.asp

I was able to find no menton of this "usually observed rule."

The "usually observed rule" is "usually unwritten" e.g., an
understanding which some people observe, and some people do not
observe.

Maybe being located in a region; which possibly has had excellent
results in keeping as much waste as possibile from the landfills, is
why enough of us keep different recyclable wastes as separated as
possible.
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