security/tamperproof torx bit size used in cuisinart
 

Does anyone know the size of the security torx bits used to hold the
bottom on of the DGB-600 BC coffee maker? I think they are between T10
and T20, but I don't know what the size is because they are in a hole
about 1 to 2 inches deep.

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Does anyone know the size of the security torx bits used to hold the
bottom on of the DGB-600 BC coffee maker? I think they are between T10
and T20, but I don't know what the size is because they are in a hole
about 1 to 2 inches deep.

Just buy a set. Then you have what you need for this job, and the next,
.. . . . .

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Rich Greenberg wrote:
In article . com,
wrote:
Does anyone know the size of the security torx bits used to hold the
bottom on of the DGB-600 BC coffee maker? I think they are between
T10
and T20, but I don't know what the size is because they are in a
hole
about 1 to 2 inches deep.

Just buy a set. Then you have what you need for this job, and the
next,
. . . . .


problem i bought a set of them and the hole is deep and the bit holder
doesnt fit in the hole

but thats my problem i dont know where to find security torx allen
wrenches

Just buy a set. Then you have what you need for this job, and the
next,
. . . . .


problem i bought a set of them and the hole is deep and the bit
holder
doesnt fit in the hole

These things are really a PITA, aren't they? I'll never understand
why a MFG will put use these when the tools are readily available.

Larry Bud wrote in message
oups.com...
Just buy a set. Then you have what you need for this job,
and the next, . . . . .

problem i bought a set of them and the hole is deep and the bit
holder doesnt fit in the hole

These things are really a PITA, aren't they? I'll never understand
why a MFG will put use these when the tools are readily available.

So that a unqualified DIYer doesn't attempt to muck with something and
then sue them when it doesn't work. If you don't have the tool, you
aren't authorized to work on their items... If you do, you do so at your
own risk and can kiss the warranty and any frivolous lawsuit goodbye.

The Ranger

Does anyone know the size of the security torx bits used to hold the
....
problem i bought a set of them and the hole is deep and the bit holder
doesnt fit in the hole

Technical tool catalogues such as Techni-tool, Jensen sell
X-celite brand tamper-torx blades that will reach in holes
too small for the hexagonal bits.

The Ranger wrote:
So that a unqualified DIYer doesn't attempt to muck with something and
then sue them when it doesn't work. If you don't have the tool, you
aren't authorized to work on their items... If you do, you do so at
your own risk and can kiss the warranty and any frivolous lawsuit
goodbye.

Since the tools are readily available, there goes this defense.

Travis Jordan wrote:
The Ranger wrote:
So that a unqualified DIYer doesn't attempt to muck with something
and
then sue them when it doesn't work. If you don't have the tool, you
aren't authorized to work on their items... If you do, you do so at
your own risk and can kiss the warranty and any frivolous lawsuit
goodbye.

Since the tools are readily available, there goes this defense.

Exactly. I understand the initial reasoning behind it, but now that
everybody can buy the tools, there's no point (except for selling more
tools... hmmm.)

Larry Bud wrote:
I understand the initial reasoning behind it, but now that
everybody can buy the tools, there's no point

I can think of three reasons to use 'security fasteners' on consumer
products.

1) The production line tooling is designed for (works best) with
specialty fasteners.

2) It raises the work factor for casual consumers who may decide to take
the product in for service instead of trying to fix it themselves.

3) The legal defense mentioned earlier in this thread.

IMHO only the first reason has much value nowadays.

Travis Jordan wrote:
I can think of three reasons to use 'security fasteners' on consumer
products.

1) The production line tooling is designed for (works best) with
specialty fasteners.

2) It raises the work factor for casual consumers who may decide to
take the product in for service instead of trying to fix it
themselves.

3) The legal defense mentioned earlier in this thread.

IMHO only the first reason has much value nowadays.

Forgot to mention.... for some products such as cable boxes, you want to
be able to discourage the user from trying to open the product for
modification purposes.

Can anyone think of other reasons (valid or not) for tamper-proof
fasteners on consumer products?

Didn't this whole thread start because the tools apparently are *not*
readily available?

The question was about a *security* Torx bit -- the one for screw heads
that have a pin in the middle of the recess. I happen to have bits that
fit such screws -- they were part of a set I got at a computer store --
but I've never seen them anywhere else, and I've never seen a
stand-alone driver for such a screw; and the tool that the bit fits
apparently is too big to fit in the hole on the appliance in question.

Perce


On 02/16/05 07:49 am Travis Jordan tossed the following ingredients into
the ever-growing pot of cybersoup:

The Ranger wrote:

So that a unqualified DIYer doesn't attempt to muck with something and
then sue them when it doesn't work. If you don't have the tool, you
aren't authorized to work on their items... If you do, you do so at
your own risk and can kiss the warranty and any frivolous lawsuit
goodbye.

Since the tools are readily available, there goes this defense.

Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
Didn't this whole thread start because the tools apparently are *not*
readily available?

http://www.google.com/search?&q=security+torx+bit

Travis Jordan wrote:
Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
Didn't this whole thread start because the tools apparently are
*not*
readily available?

http://www.google.com/search?&q=security+torx+bit

Yeah, but ONLY 39,600 pages.

Didn't this whole thread start because the tools apparently are *not*
readily available?

Indeed: there are only a few manufacturers and venders of the thin-shaft
tamper-Torx screwdrivers. It ain't at Sear's or Home Depot.
Even SnapOn didn't have them in the truck's regular inventory.

And they's expensive, another deterrence.

The question was about a *security* Torx bit -- the one for screw heads
that have a pin in the middle of the recess. I happen to have bits that
fit such screws

Yes, and cabinets such as the Iopener
- put the screws in deep small holes so bits can't reach deep enough
- use TINY tamper torx such as #6 or #8. Most bits go only down to T10.

Jeff Jonas wrote:
Yes, and cabinets such as the Iopener
- put the screws in deep small holes so bits can't reach deep enough
- use TINY tamper torx such as #6 or #8. Most bits go only down to
T10.

TT7 is the smallest tamper torx screw I've seen in use.
http://www.jensentools.com/product/g...parent_id=4480

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:40:47 -0500, "Percival P. Cassidy"
wrote:

Didn't this whole thread start because the tools apparently are *not*
readily available?

The question was about a *security* Torx bit -- the one for screw heads
that have a pin in the middle of the recess. I happen to have bits that
fit such screws -- they were part of a set I got at a computer store --
but I've never seen them anywhere else, and I've never seen a
stand-alone driver for such a screw; and the tool that the bit fits
apparently is too big to fit in the hole on the appliance in question.

Perce


Google says: Results 1 - 10 of about 17,200 for security torx
drivers. (0.23 seconds)

On 02/16/05 07:49 am Travis Jordan tossed the following ingredients into
the ever-growing pot of cybersoup:

The Ranger wrote:

So that a unqualified DIYer doesn't attempt to muck with something and
then sue them when it doesn't work. If you don't have the tool, you
aren't authorized to work on their items... If you do, you do so at
your own risk and can kiss the warranty and any frivolous lawsuit
goodbye.

Since the tools are readily available, there goes this defense.