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..........I'd say the coil is dirty........ ..............causing a restriction in air-flow. Which is allowing the excessive air-flow pressure to blow the water off the coil. (being you say the drain is clean) Get a competent tech to clean the coil and check the refrigerate charge. (not just pressures.............they need to check the SH & SC) As someone may have put some refrigerate in it to keep it from freezing. (at some point..........as the coil got dirty) -- kjpro _-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-_ ( kjpro @ starband . net ) remove spaces to e-mail Want it done yesterday? Or done right today, to save money tomorrow!! _________________________ __ "Gary M" wrote in message ... I really hope someone will be able to help me here; I own a 99 Oakwood home with a Intertherm/Nordyne HVAC unit. The coils of the unit are in an 'A' configuration and sit in a plastic tray which rests over the blower cabinet. Ostensibly, this is to catch the condensate and drain it away via a hose which leads outside. This part of it works fine and I have cleared the hose more than once. The problem I have is this; A lot of the water doesn't reach the drain hose. Instead, it leaks down into and onto the blower equipment below. This has led to the sequencer and the cicuit breaker shorting out and they have been replaced. The repairman told me that the drain had gotten clogged, but that is not the case now. The water seems to be coming from some other part of the tray. Before I get another serviceman out here to tell me, "Your drain hose was clogged. That'll be $xx.xx." I would like to know if there is another cause and better still, if there is something 'I' can do about it without having to dismantle the entire cooling system. Thanks in advance, -Gary M- |
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"Gary M" wrote in message ... I really hope someone will be able to help me here; I own a 99 Oakwood home with a Intertherm/Nordyne HVAC unit. The coils of the unit are in an 'A' configuration and sit in a plastic tray which rests over the blower cabinet. Ostensibly, this is to catch the condensate and drain it away via a hose which leads outside. That part we all know..its a standard slap in...the way that Oakwood and every other mobile home maker wanted that used that crappy Nordyne set up. This part of it works fine and I have cleared the hose more than once. The problem I have is this; A lot of the water doesn't reach the drain hose. Instead, it leaks down into and onto the blower equipment below. This has led to the sequencer and the cicuit breaker shorting out and they have been replaced. The repairman told me that the drain had gotten clogged, but that is not the case now. The water seems to be coming from some other part of the tray. Before I get another serviceman out here to tell me, "Your drain hose was clogged. That'll be $xx.xx." I would like to know if there is another cause and better still, if there is something 'I' can do about it without having to dismantle the entire cooling system. Thanks in advance, -Gary M- Well...since we deal with this about once a week in a setup like yours, offer a few suggestions... did the last service tech seal the pan to the blower compartment with either a foam tape that is applied to the top of the blower that the A coil assembly sets on, or with a good quality metal tape around the sides, or a combination of both? did the last service tech insure that after he cleaned the drain, that the coil blower and coil had a slight tilt towards the drain? Did he put a level on it? Was it dead level? IF it was, its should NOT be on those.. Does your system have a proper condensate trap on the drain line? If not, it needs one, or the unit, IF sealed properly, might not be draining until the unit shuts down and you are getting water not so much leaking, but being pulled into the works.. Did they speed the fan up trying to get better air flow, instead of properly balancing your single duct line? In other words....has someone put that sucker on high, and opened all your vents in the triler? If so, its all wrong, and you are not getting the cooling you need, and should have...and the air flow could be such that the condensate is being literally stripped off the coil before it can flow into the pan. Those are normally plastic pans in the coil assembly, and under normal circumstances, you will need to replace the coil long before the pan gives you any trouble. IF the rear or front of the A coils covers have rusted out, its possible that the coil is getting water pulled over the lip of the pan that way... |
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I have seen these pans crack in the center where the injection molding
circles are. Don't try to repair it because it will recrack. Replace the coil. "CBHvac" wrote in message news "Gary M" wrote in message ... I really hope someone will be able to help me here; I own a 99 Oakwood home with a Intertherm/Nordyne HVAC unit. The coils of the unit are in an 'A' configuration and sit in a plastic tray which rests over the blower cabinet. Ostensibly, this is to catch the condensate and drain it away via a hose which leads outside. That part we all know..its a standard slap in...the way that Oakwood and every other mobile home maker wanted that used that crappy Nordyne set up. This part of it works fine and I have cleared the hose more than once. The problem I have is this; A lot of the water doesn't reach the drain hose. Instead, it leaks down into and onto the blower equipment below. This has led to the sequencer and the cicuit breaker shorting out and they have been replaced. The repairman told me that the drain had gotten clogged, but that is not the case now. The water seems to be coming from some other part of the tray. Before I get another serviceman out here to tell me, "Your drain hose was clogged. That'll be $xx.xx." I would like to know if there is another cause and better still, if there is something 'I' can do about it without having to dismantle the entire cooling system. Thanks in advance, -Gary M- Well...since we deal with this about once a week in a setup like yours, offer a few suggestions... did the last service tech seal the pan to the blower compartment with either a foam tape that is applied to the top of the blower that the A coil assembly sets on, or with a good quality metal tape around the sides, or a combination of both? did the last service tech insure that after he cleaned the drain, that the coil blower and coil had a slight tilt towards the drain? Did he put a level on it? Was it dead level? IF it was, its should NOT be on those.. Does your system have a proper condensate trap on the drain line? If not, it needs one, or the unit, IF sealed properly, might not be draining until the unit shuts down and you are getting water not so much leaking, but being pulled into the works.. Did they speed the fan up trying to get better air flow, instead of properly balancing your single duct line? In other words....has someone put that sucker on high, and opened all your vents in the triler? If so, its all wrong, and you are not getting the cooling you need, and should have...and the air flow could be such that the condensate is being literally stripped off the coil before it can flow into the pan. Those are normally plastic pans in the coil assembly, and under normal circumstances, you will need to replace the coil long before the pan gives you any trouble. IF the rear or front of the A coils covers have rusted out, its possible that the coil is getting water pulled over the lip of the pan that way... |
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"Peter Swinson" wrote in message
news:3aAYa.91304$o%2.40854@sccrnsc02... I have seen these pans crack in the center where the injection molding circles are. Don't try to repair it because it will recrack. Replace the coil. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw.... You mean JB Weld won't work!!!! :-0 They won't like to hear that!! :-) -- kjpro _-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-_ ( kjpro @ starband . net ) remove spaces to e-mail Want it done yesterday? Or done right today, to save money tomorrow!! _________________________ __ |
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Here is a different water leak that comes from line before it gets to the
unit go to this page and click on water leak picture show http://homemyhome.com/photoshow.html "Peter Swinson" wrote in message news:3aAYa.91304$o%2.40854@sccrnsc02... I have seen these pans crack in the center where the injection molding circles are. Don't try to repair it because it will recrack. Replace the coil. "CBHvac" wrote in message news "Gary M" wrote in message ... I really hope someone will be able to help me here; I own a 99 Oakwood home with a Intertherm/Nordyne HVAC unit. The coils of the unit are in an 'A' configuration and sit in a plastic tray which rests over the blower cabinet. Ostensibly, this is to catch the condensate and drain it away via a hose which leads outside. That part we all know..its a standard slap in...the way that Oakwood and every other mobile home maker wanted that used that crappy Nordyne set up. This part of it works fine and I have cleared the hose more than once. The problem I have is this; A lot of the water doesn't reach the drain hose. Instead, it leaks down into and onto the blower equipment below. This has led to the sequencer and the cicuit breaker shorting out and they have been replaced. The repairman told me that the drain had gotten clogged, but that is not the case now. The water seems to be coming from some other part of the tray. Before I get another serviceman out here to tell me, "Your drain hose was clogged. That'll be $xx.xx." I would like to know if there is another cause and better still, if there is something 'I' can do about it without having to dismantle the entire cooling system. Thanks in advance, -Gary M- Well...since we deal with this about once a week in a setup like yours, offer a few suggestions... did the last service tech seal the pan to the blower compartment with either a foam tape that is applied to the top of the blower that the A coil assembly sets on, or with a good quality metal tape around the sides, or a combination of both? did the last service tech insure that after he cleaned the drain, that the coil blower and coil had a slight tilt towards the drain? Did he put a level on it? Was it dead level? IF it was, its should NOT be on those.. Does your system have a proper condensate trap on the drain line? If not, it needs one, or the unit, IF sealed properly, might not be draining until the unit shuts down and you are getting water not so much leaking, but being pulled into the works.. Did they speed the fan up trying to get better air flow, instead of properly balancing your single duct line? In other words....has someone put that sucker on high, and opened all your vents in the triler? If so, its all wrong, and you are not getting the cooling you need, and should have...and the air flow could be such that the condensate is being literally stripped off the coil before it can flow into the pan. Those are normally plastic pans in the coil assembly, and under normal circumstances, you will need to replace the coil long before the pan gives you any trouble. IF the rear or front of the A coils covers have rusted out, its possible that the coil is getting water pulled over the lip of the pan that way... |
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On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 02:22:56 GMT, "D.S." wrote:
"CBHvac" wrote in message news "D.S." wrote in message igy.com... Here is a different water leak that comes from line before it gets to the unit go to this page and click on water leak picture show http://homemyhome.com/photoshow.html I have to admit..other than the way you present what you call photos, I cant see ****...just lots of glare.. A very cheap POS case, and some OmegaFlex.. That line, is called a suction line, btw...thought you might want to at least know what its called, even if you dont know why its got condensation on it.. I know it's condensation but if I want to call it a leak since that is what it's actually doing in the end, when it drips into the opening and then LEAKS into the plenum, which is actually just wood from frame of the house where the old return used to be , before this unit was put in and changed to a down draft or whatever. To help with glare turn down your brightness on moniter , it's the setting that resembles a sun with a minus sign on one side and a plus sign on the other.......... And do it now, or he'll sue. Regardless of the fact that his suggestion is meaningless bull****. Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ Coming eventually - PMTherm version 2.0 !! http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm.htm Free superheat charts for 38 Ref's online at http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/ My personal site is at http://www.pmilligan.net , featuring free HVAC, psychrometric, stock market, and other software http://helpthecritters.com/ is my domain for helping critters |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 01:43:20 GMT, "D.S." wrote: Here is a different water leak that comes from line before it gets to the unit go to this page and click on water leak picture show http://homemyhome.com/photoshow.html Geez, I love the part about how you're going to sue the builder and his brother and everyone else you ever met for "UNSAFE CONDITIONS(CONSTRUCTION DUST)" and "SLANDEROUS STATEMENTS" http://homemyhome.com/sue.html And you're going to sue, including the AC contractor (s): ARE THERE ANY LAWYERS IN TOWN THAT DO NOT HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH THE CITY, AIRPORT, CINNABAR , WOOD SYSTEMS , TERRELL HEATING AND AIR, HORIZON PAINTING , WOOD & IRON FABRICATORS AND WHITE CONSTRUCTION , MILL CREEK? Among your complaints : "A copper tube that connects to blower unit from outside a/c unit gurgles when a/c is turned on." "2nd is I can hear my neighbors a/c unit when it's running." " 3rd is the sound of dripping rain vibrating through the sheetrock , (this was with ear against the wall, might not count)" "4th was still hearing the fireworks going off at driller's stadium tonight." "They did the cleaning but didn't let the Maids finish on Monday " "Maybe soon I can get the floor moulding or is it called trim, whatever it is I want it pulled off and walls/doors/window areas behind it finished " "To the Terrell worker who likes the F word, if you shut the opening for underneath the house the dogs won't do that under there also if someone calls the dog catcher again tomorrow because of my dogs being out you will pay to get them out since you can't shut the gate." "The rules where broken by only having one sub-contracter here by themself" "Work was finally done to fix leaks, they tried anyway. Terrell was 42 minutes late" "Whortman Air has an ad out talking about refrigarent 22 being banned in 2008 I believe. Combine this with the minimum Seer rating going to 12 in a couple years too gives a double whamy on the units being installed for the project.We sign rights away for a livetime and they give us an A/C systems which will be obsolete in a few years." Ok maybe I've gone overboard here and there , hey another item to sue about , making me go looney after more than 8 months of this...... lol Wait I'm not the only looney , you actually took the time to look at it that much................ "Peter Swinson" wrote in message news:3aAYa.91304$o%2.40854@sccrnsc02... I have seen these pans crack in the center where the injection molding circles are. Don't try to repair it because it will recrack. Replace the coil. "CBHvac" wrote in message news "Gary M" wrote in message ... I really hope someone will be able to help me here; I own a 99 Oakwood home with a Intertherm/Nordyne HVAC unit. The coils of the unit are in an 'A' configuration and sit in a plastic tray which rests over the blower cabinet. Ostensibly, this is to catch the condensate and drain it away via a hose which leads outside. That part we all know..its a standard slap in...the way that Oakwood and every other mobile home maker wanted that used that crappy Nordyne set up. This part of it works fine and I have cleared the hose more than once. The problem I have is this; A lot of the water doesn't reach the drain hose. Instead, it leaks down into and onto the blower equipment below. This has led to the sequencer and the cicuit breaker shorting out and they have been replaced. The repairman told me that the drain had gotten clogged, but that is not the case now. The water seems to be coming from some other part of the tray. Before I get another serviceman out here to tell me, "Your drain hose was clogged. That'll be $xx.xx." I would like to know if there is another cause and better still, if there is something 'I' can do about it without having to dismantle the entire cooling system. Thanks in advance, -Gary M- Well...since we deal with this about once a week in a setup like yours, offer a few suggestions... did the last service tech seal the pan to the blower compartment with either a foam tape that is applied to the top of the blower that the A coil assembly sets on, or with a good quality metal tape around the sides, or a combination of both? did the last service tech insure that after he cleaned the drain, that the coil blower and coil had a slight tilt towards the drain? Did he put a level on it? Was it dead level? IF it was, its should NOT be on those.. Does your system have a proper condensate trap on the drain line? If not, it needs one, or the unit, IF sealed properly, might not be draining until the unit shuts down and you are getting water not so much leaking, but being pulled into the works.. Did they speed the fan up trying to get better air flow, instead of properly balancing your single duct line? In other words....has someone put that sucker on high, and opened all your vents in the triler? If so, its all wrong, and you are not getting the cooling you need, and should have...and the air flow could be such that the condensate is being literally stripped off the coil before it can flow into the pan. Those are normally plastic pans in the coil assembly, and under normal circumstances, you will need to replace the coil long before the pan gives you any trouble. IF the rear or front of the A coils covers have rusted out, its possible that the coil is getting water pulled over the lip of the pan that way... Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ Coming eventually - PMTherm version 2.0 !! http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm.htm Free superheat charts for 38 Ref's online at http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/ My personal site is at http://www.pmilligan.net , featuring free HVAC, psychrometric, stock market, and other software http://helpthecritters.com/ is my domain for helping critters |
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On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 02:51:21 GMT, "D.S." wrote:
wrote in message .. . On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 01:43:20 GMT, "D.S." wrote: " 3rd is the sound of dripping rain vibrating through the sheetrock , (this was with ear against the wall, might not count)" "To the Terrell worker who likes the F word, if you shut the opening for underneath the house the dogs won't do that under there also if someone calls the dog catcher again tomorrow because of my dogs being out you will pay to get them out since you can't shut the gate." "The rules where broken by only having one sub-contracter here by themself" "Work was finally done to fix leaks, they tried anyway. Terrell was 42 minutes late" Ok maybe I've gone overboard here and there , hey another item to sue about , making me go looney after more than 8 months of this...... lol Wait I'm not the only looney , you actually took the time to look at it that much................ Never said I was sane :-). Besides, it was compelling stuff ! I got this mental picture of you, at 2:AM when the world is silent ( except your world, of course :-) ), ear pressed against the wall, holding your breath, listening for rain drops, and the echos of that guy who was 42 minutes late and then stepped in dog****, cursing in your crawlspace all alone :-) Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ Coming eventually - PMTherm version 2.0 !! http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm.htm Free superheat charts for 38 Ref's online at http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/ My personal site is at http://www.pmilligan.net , featuring free HVAC, psychrometric, stock market, and other software http://helpthecritters.com/ is my domain for helping critters |
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:03:43 -0700, "CBHvac"
wrote: First, your a bitchaholic..seen your page before, and it hasnt changed much. Well put :-) Second, its not a leak, its condensation and its dripping, not leaking. A leak, you jackass, would mean that the pipe that is SWEATING, would carry water, and its not. Glad this isnt rocket science, and your not workin for NASA... Ummm.... considering recent events....... I also suggest that you learn how in hell to use a digital camera, since you plain suck ass at it, and THAT, sir, is a fact, and I dont have to assume ****. Oh, stop beating around the bush :-) As a ****tard that wants to whine and cry, even about an inspector using his TV as a table...lol...oh my god..thats hilarious...not the fact it happened, the fact that he found a way to bitch about it.. ****, I missed that one !!! Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ Coming eventually - PMTherm version 2.0 !! http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm.htm Free superheat charts for 38 Ref's online at http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/ My personal site is at http://www.pmilligan.net , featuring free HVAC, psychrometric, stock market, and other software http://helpthecritters.com/ is my domain for helping critters |
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I love reading this , it's been fun and I take it you had a rough day.PJM is
at least funnier than you. Did you miss this page http://homemyhome.com/id45.html it shows what was found by another company on the work done.It took 6 months to get this far and another 2 months for them to come back out to caulk instead of making an actual chamber .This area is about 4' long 2' wide and 2' tall . Wouldn't it make more sense for the air to go thru a chamber of some sort instead of filling up this area before making it into the 2 main ducts? At least it wouldn't leak (excuse the use of that word) air through the wall and cracks and out the baseboard. Yes I bitch , yes some is petty .No I didn't wait till work was stopped to complain. Yes the companies know of the web site, they will not sue me because then it will become more public and you can't win a suit on slander if it's true. Sorry for the offense you took for pokeing fun at you .. If you get that upset about it don't dish it out. Why is it when a regular on a newsgroup doesn't like a post grammer always becomes an issue? After the condensation leaves it's location of origin and drips to a flat area then goes down an open hole would it not then become a leak. It could be called draining I suppose but wouldn't it need to be a drain hole to say it's draining and not leaking? Yes it's the same site and it's been up since December just new rework was done recently and you would have to live in this neighborhood to really understand it all and my neighbors feel the same about thier houses. Excuse not posting this below, I didn't feel like it . Just sue me......lol "CBHvac" wrote in message ... "D.S." wrote in message igy.com... "CBHvac" wrote in message news "D.S." wrote in message igy.com... Here is a different water leak that comes from line before it gets to the unit go to this page and click on water leak picture show http://homemyhome.com/photoshow.html I have to admit..other than the way you present what you call photos, I cant see ****...just lots of glare.. A very cheap POS case, and some OmegaFlex.. That line, is called a suction line, btw...thought you might want to at least know what its called, even if you dont know why its got condensation on it.. I know it's condensation but if I want to call it a leak since that is what it's actually doing in the end, when it drips into the opening and then LEAKS into the plenum, which is actually just wood from frame of the house where the old return used to be , before this unit was put in and changed to a down draft or whatever. And you want to put up a page of bitchin...LOL... First, your a bitchaholic..seen your page before, and it hasnt changed much. Second, its not a leak, its condensation and its dripping, not leaking. A leak, you jackass, would mean that the pipe that is SWEATING, would carry water, and its not. Glad this isnt rocket science, and your not workin for NASA... Glad I am not your neighbor..and you are glad of that too.... Trust me.. Have the inspectors stopped coming to your home now? Do they run to the other side of the street when you come out? Have you bitched, cryed and whined enough that the property values have hit new lows in your area? They must have...if sound insulation would exceed 50% of the value of your home...sheeeesh.... Just a few thought genuis.. 1- On your rumors page, its HIRE....not higher.. 2- What are your qualifications to determine what is an unsafe condition? Are you licenced and bonded with the State of OK as an inspector? 3- Oh screw it...I could go on, but I am afraid that it might be beyond your comphrension skills since YOU let the work be done to your home, and didnt stop it...and choose now to whine.. To help with glare turn down your brightness on moniter , it's the setting that resembles a sun with a minus sign on one side and a plus sign on the other.......... Actually Jackass, its not. I suggest that if you are that ****ing brilliant, you look at what the brightness setting on a T40 is, and how you set it. I also suggest that you learn how in hell to use a digital camera, since you plain suck ass at it, and THAT, sir, is a fact, and I dont have to assume ****. Oh...dont like it? So sue me....LOL You are out to sue everyone else....of course, its prob the ONLY way you will ever have more than you do...LOL I hope that all those people listed on your site know about it....and if they dont...they will...LOL All thoughts presented are based upon the assinine way that the original poster presented himself, and in the manner that his page represents him. As a ****tard that wants to whine and cry, even about an inspector using his TV as a table...lol...oh my god..thats hilarious...not the fact it happened, the fact that he found a way to bitch about it.. "Peter Swinson" wrote in message news:3aAYa.91304$o%2.40854@sccrnsc02... I have seen these pans crack in the center where the injection molding circles are. Don't try to repair it because it will recrack. Replace the coil. "CBHvac" wrote in message news "Gary M" wrote in message ... I really hope someone will be able to help me here; I own a 99 Oakwood home with a Intertherm/Nordyne HVAC unit. The coils of the unit are in an 'A' configuration and sit in a plastic tray which rests over the blower cabinet. Ostensibly, this is to catch the condensate and drain it away via a hose which leads outside. That part we all know..its a standard slap in...the way that Oakwood and every other mobile home maker wanted that used that crappy Nordyne set up. This part of it works fine and I have cleared the hose more than once. The problem I have is this; A lot of the water doesn't reach the drain hose. Instead, it leaks down into and onto the blower equipment below. This has led to the sequencer and the cicuit breaker shorting out and they have been replaced. The repairman told me that the drain had gotten clogged, but that is not the case now. The water seems to be coming from some other part of the tray. Before I get another serviceman out here to tell me, "Your drain hose was clogged. That'll be $xx.xx." I would like to know if there is another cause and better still, if there is something 'I' can do about it without having to dismantle the entire cooling system. Thanks in advance, -Gary M- Well...since we deal with this about once a week in a setup like yours, offer a few suggestions... did the last service tech seal the pan to the blower compartment with either a foam tape that is applied to the top of the blower that the A coil assembly sets on, or with a good quality metal tape around the sides, or a combination of both? did the last service tech insure that after he cleaned the drain, that the coil blower and coil had a slight tilt towards the drain? Did he put a level on it? Was it dead level? IF it was, its should NOT be on those.. Does your system have a proper condensate trap on the drain line? If not, it needs one, or the unit, IF sealed properly, might not be draining until the unit shuts down and you are getting water not so much leaking, but being pulled into the works.. Did they speed the fan up trying to get better air flow, instead of properly balancing your single duct line? In other words....has someone put that sucker on high, and opened all your vents in the triler? If so, its all wrong, and you are not getting the cooling you need, and should have...and the air flow could be such that the condensate is being literally stripped off the coil before it can flow into the pan. Those are normally plastic pans in the coil assembly, and under normal circumstances, you will need to replace the coil long before the pan gives you any trouble. IF the rear or front of the A coils covers have rusted out, its possible that the coil is getting water pulled over the lip of the pan that way... |
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"CBHvac" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 01:43:20 GMT, "D.S." wrote: Here is a different water leak that comes from line before it gets to the unit go to this page and click on water leak picture show http://homemyhome.com/photoshow.html Geez, I love the part about how you're going to sue the builder and his brother and everyone else you ever met for "UNSAFE CONDITIONS(CONSTRUCTION DUST)" and "SLANDEROUS STATEMENTS" http://homemyhome.com/sue.html And you're going to sue, including the AC contractor (s): ARE THERE ANY LAWYERS IN TOWN THAT DO NOT HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH THE CITY, AIRPORT, CINNABAR , WOOD SYSTEMS , TERRELL HEATING AND AIR, HORIZON PAINTING , WOOD & IRON FABRICATORS AND WHITE CONSTRUCTION , MILL CREEK? Among your complaints : "A copper tube that connects to blower unit from outside a/c unit gurgles when a/c is turned on." Well...DUH... Loudly in the hallway is normal? "2nd is I can hear my neighbors a/c unit when it's running." I cant hear mine....but then, they cant hear mine either...its nice and quiet...LOL " 3rd is the sound of dripping rain vibrating through the sheetrock , (this was with ear against the wall, might not count)" I missed THAT one...hilarious... "4th was still hearing the fireworks going off at driller's stadium tonight." Fireworks....NOT a 737..LOL 5 miiles away "They did the cleaning but didn't let the Maids finish on Monday " LOL.. another that you had to be here "Maybe soon I can get the floor moulding or is it called trim, whatever it is I want it pulled off and walls/doors/window areas behind it finished " Demanding little redneck aint he? "To the Terrell worker who likes the F word, if you shut the opening for underneath the house the dogs won't do that under there also if someone calls the dog catcher again tomorrow because of my dogs being out you will pay to get them out since you can't shut the gate." Different time period , they would not shut crawl space entrance when they left for the day. Dogs pulled on insullation on ducts that was hanging down since they used staples to hold insulation so it left pieces dangling and tempting to a young dog. I have accepted the actions of my dogs even though they would not have gotten under there had they closed the opening.I can't close it when they leave if I'm at work I think he said someplace, that he took responsibility for his dogs under the home...I mean..I own a couple, and they are MY responsibility..if I know the basements open, and I dont want them in the basement, I make sure they cant get there...sheeeesh... Common sense lacking in OK... "The rules where broken by only having one sub-contracter here by themself" HUH?? Another one you have to be here to understand. They have a written guidelines for the project . One day my neighbor came home and found a worker in his son's bed sleeping. "Work was finally done to fix leaks, they tried anyway. Terrell was 42 minutes late" Holy Crap Batman...do each and every job with a stopwatch... Forget lunch man...you got to PEE??? DAMMIT man..hes got a STOPWATCH!!!!! I had to wait 2 months for this day and was missing work and the contractor for this house was not happy either about them being late . It's not hard to make an 8 am appointment "Whortman Air has an ad out talking about refrigarent 22 being banned in 2008 I believe. Combine this with the minimum Seer rating going to 12 in a couple years too gives a double whamy on the units being installed for the project.We sign rights away for a livetime and they give us an A/C systems which will be obsolete in a few years." Idiot... To think some believe this.. Not True? "Peter Swinson" wrote in message news:3aAYa.91304$o%2.40854@sccrnsc02... I have seen these pans crack in the center where the injection molding circles are. Don't try to repair it because it will recrack. Replace the coil. "CBHvac" wrote in message news "Gary M" wrote in message ... I really hope someone will be able to help me here; I own a 99 Oakwood home with a Intertherm/Nordyne HVAC unit. The coils of the unit are in an 'A' configuration and sit in a plastic tray which rests over the blower cabinet. Ostensibly, this is to catch the condensate and drain it away via a hose which leads outside. That part we all know..its a standard slap in...the way that Oakwood and every other mobile home maker wanted that used that crappy Nordyne set up. This part of it works fine and I have cleared the hose more than once. The problem I have is this; A lot of the water doesn't reach the drain hose. Instead, it leaks down into and onto the blower equipment below. This has led to the sequencer and the cicuit breaker shorting out and they have been replaced. The repairman told me that the drain had gotten clogged, but that is not the case now. The water seems to be coming from some other part of the tray. Before I get another serviceman out here to tell me, "Your drain hose was clogged. That'll be $xx.xx." I would like to know if there is another cause and better still, if there is something 'I' can do about it without having to dismantle the entire cooling system. Thanks in advance, -Gary M- Well...since we deal with this about once a week in a setup like yours, offer a few suggestions... did the last service tech seal the pan to the blower compartment with either a foam tape that is applied to the top of the blower that the A coil assembly sets on, or with a good quality metal tape around the sides, or a combination of both? did the last service tech insure that after he cleaned the drain, that the coil blower and coil had a slight tilt towards the drain? Did he put a level on it? Was it dead level? IF it was, its should NOT be on those.. Does your system have a proper condensate trap on the drain line? If not, it needs one, or the unit, IF sealed properly, might not be draining until the unit shuts down and you are getting water not so much leaking, but being pulled into the works.. Did they speed the fan up trying to get better air flow, instead of properly balancing your single duct line? In other words....has someone put that sucker on high, and opened all your vents in the triler? If so, its all wrong, and you are not getting the cooling you need, and should have...and the air flow could be such that the condensate is being literally stripped off the coil before it can flow into the pan. Those are normally plastic pans in the coil assembly, and under normal circumstances, you will need to replace the coil long before the pan gives you any trouble. IF the rear or front of the A coils covers have rusted out, its possible that the coil is getting water pulled over the lip of the pan that way... Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ Coming eventually - PMTherm version 2.0 !! http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm.htm Free superheat charts for 38 Ref's online at http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/ My personal site is at http://www.pmilligan.net , featuring free HVAC, psychrometric, stock market, and other software http://helpthecritters.com/ is my domain for helping critters |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 01:43:20 GMT, "D.S." wrote: Here is a different water leak that comes from line before it gets to the unit go to this page and click on water leak picture show http://homemyhome.com/photoshow.html Geez, I love the part about how you're going to sue the builder and his brother and everyone else you ever met for "UNSAFE CONDITIONS(CONSTRUCTION DUST)" and "SLANDEROUS STATEMENTS" http://homemyhome.com/sue.html And you're going to sue, including the AC contractor (s): ARE THERE ANY LAWYERS IN TOWN THAT DO NOT HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH THE CITY, AIRPORT, CINNABAR , WOOD SYSTEMS , TERRELL HEATING AND AIR, HORIZON PAINTING , WOOD & IRON FABRICATORS AND WHITE CONSTRUCTION , MILL CREEK? Among your complaints : "A copper tube that connects to blower unit from outside a/c unit gurgles when a/c is turned on." Well...DUH... "2nd is I can hear my neighbors a/c unit when it's running." I cant hear mine....but then, they cant hear mine either...its nice and quiet...LOL " 3rd is the sound of dripping rain vibrating through the sheetrock , (this was with ear against the wall, might not count)" I missed THAT one...hilarious... "4th was still hearing the fireworks going off at driller's stadium tonight." Fireworks....NOT a 737..LOL "They did the cleaning but didn't let the Maids finish on Monday " LOL.. "Maybe soon I can get the floor moulding or is it called trim, whatever it is I want it pulled off and walls/doors/window areas behind it finished " Demanding little redneck aint he? "To the Terrell worker who likes the F word, if you shut the opening for underneath the house the dogs won't do that under there also if someone calls the dog catcher again tomorrow because of my dogs being out you will pay to get them out since you can't shut the gate." I think he said someplace, that he took responsibility for his dogs under the home...I mean..I own a couple, and they are MY responsibility..if I know the basements open, and I dont want them in the basement, I make sure they cant get there...sheeeesh... Common sense lacking in OK... "The rules where broken by only having one sub-contracter here by themself" HUH?? "Work was finally done to fix leaks, they tried anyway. Terrell was 42 minutes late" Holy Crap Batman...do each and every job with a stopwatch... Forget lunch man...you got to PEE??? DAMMIT man..hes got a STOPWATCH!!!!! "Whortman Air has an ad out talking about refrigarent 22 being banned in 2008 I believe. Combine this with the minimum Seer rating going to 12 in a couple years too gives a double whamy on the units being installed for the project.We sign rights away for a livetime and they give us an A/C systems which will be obsolete in a few years." Idiot... To think some believe this.. "Peter Swinson" wrote in message news:3aAYa.91304$o%2.40854@sccrnsc02... I have seen these pans crack in the center where the injection molding circles are. Don't try to repair it because it will recrack. Replace the coil. "CBHvac" wrote in message news "Gary M" wrote in message ... I really hope someone will be able to help me here; I own a 99 Oakwood home with a Intertherm/Nordyne HVAC unit. The coils of the unit are in an 'A' configuration and sit in a plastic tray which rests over the blower cabinet. Ostensibly, this is to catch the condensate and drain it away via a hose which leads outside. That part we all know..its a standard slap in...the way that Oakwood and every other mobile home maker wanted that used that crappy Nordyne set up. This part of it works fine and I have cleared the hose more than once. The problem I have is this; A lot of the water doesn't reach the drain hose. Instead, it leaks down into and onto the blower equipment below. This has led to the sequencer and the cicuit breaker shorting out and they have been replaced. The repairman told me that the drain had gotten clogged, but that is not the case now. The water seems to be coming from some other part of the tray. Before I get another serviceman out here to tell me, "Your drain hose was clogged. That'll be $xx.xx." I would like to know if there is another cause and better still, if there is something 'I' can do about it without having to dismantle the entire cooling system. Thanks in advance, -Gary M- Well...since we deal with this about once a week in a setup like yours, offer a few suggestions... did the last service tech seal the pan to the blower compartment with either a foam tape that is applied to the top of the blower that the A coil assembly sets on, or with a good quality metal tape around the sides, or a combination of both? did the last service tech insure that after he cleaned the drain, that the coil blower and coil had a slight tilt towards the drain? Did he put a level on it? Was it dead level? IF it was, its should NOT be on those.. Does your system have a proper condensate trap on the drain line? If not, it needs one, or the unit, IF sealed properly, might not be draining until the unit shuts down and you are getting water not so much leaking, but being pulled into the works.. Did they speed the fan up trying to get better air flow, instead of properly balancing your single duct line? In other words....has someone put that sucker on high, and opened all your vents in the triler? If so, its all wrong, and you are not getting the cooling you need, and should have...and the air flow could be such that the condensate is being literally stripped off the coil before it can flow into the pan. Those are normally plastic pans in the coil assembly, and under normal circumstances, you will need to replace the coil long before the pan gives you any trouble. IF the rear or front of the A coils covers have rusted out, its possible that the coil is getting water pulled over the lip of the pan that way... Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ Coming eventually - PMTherm version 2.0 !! http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm.htm Free superheat charts for 38 Ref's online at http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/ My personal site is at http://www.pmilligan.net , featuring free HVAC, psychrometric, stock market, and other software http://helpthecritters.com/ is my domain for helping critters |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 03:46:19 GMT, "D.S." wrote: I love reading this , it's been fun and I take it you had a rough day.PJM is at least funnier than you. Told ya so, CB :-) Yea..but I do real HVAC work, and not like that hack that he allowed work on his home.. I aint paid to be a standup comedian. Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ Coming eventually - PMTherm version 2.0 !! http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm.htm Free superheat charts for 38 Ref's online at http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/ My personal site is at http://www.pmilligan.net , featuring free HVAC, psychrometric, stock market, and other software http://helpthecritters.com/ is my domain for helping critters |
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So...people have problems with their stick built homes too....what a
wonder...I thought all stick builts were perfect.. "D.S." wrote in message igy.com... Here is a different water leak that comes from line before it gets to the unit go to this page and click on water leak picture show http://homemyhome.com/photoshow.html |
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"D.S." wrote in message
igy.com... LEAKS into the plenum, which is actually just wood from frame of the house where the old return used to be , before this unit was put in and changed to a down draft or whatever. Wow, A warm air "supply" plenum...............made of wood???? Now that's gotta be a nice job! :-) -- kjpro _-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-_ ( kjpro @ starband . net ) remove spaces to e-mail Want it done yesterday? Or done right today, to save money tomorrow!! _________________________ __ |
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"AugustaGa" wrote in message
... So...people have problems with their stick built homes too....what a wonder...I thought all stick builts were perfect.. No, there are Hacks as building contractors too. And an occasional HO that thinks they can build a home if they can work with wood!! But, as the last note.............. ........an occasional home F***ed up........vers "EVERY" trailer is no competition!! -- kjpro _-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-__-~-_ ( kjpro @ starband . net ) remove spaces to e-mail Want it done yesterday? Or done right today, to save money tomorrow!! _________________________ __ |
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wrote in message news On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 23:04:43 GMT, "kjpro" ( kjpro @ starband . com ) see-my-sig-for-e-mail wrote: "AugustaGa" wrote in message ... So...people have problems with their stick built homes too....what a wonder...I thought all stick builts were perfect.. No, there are Hacks as building contractors too. And an occasional HO that thinks they can build a home if they can work with wood!! Or can reliably identify the hammer section at Home Depot 9 out of 10 times.... and they can find the section with those sharp pointed poundie thingies too :-) Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ Coming eventually - PMTherm version 2.0 !! http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm.htm Free superheat charts for 38 Ref's online at http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/ My personal site is at http://www.pmilligan.net , featuring free HVAC, psychrometric, stock market, and other software http://helpthecritters.com/ is my domain for helping critters |
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