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Looks like I'm gonna want a stacking washer/dryer. The dealers seem
to be pushing front-loaders everywhere now. Near as I can tell, the front-load options allow for fullsize units, as opposed to the smaller stackable top-loaders. Do you use a front-load washer? Happy with it? More bending over to load and unload? Consumer Reports said sumpthin about greater difficulty loading, not sure what they meant... -- Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. ....WC Fields |
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Steve writes:
Looks like I'm gonna want a stacking washer/dryer. The dealers seem to be pushing front-loaders everywhere now. Near as I can tell, the front-load options allow for fullsize units, as opposed to the smaller stackable top-loaders. Do you use a front-load washer? Happy with it? More bending over to load and unload? Consumer Reports said sumpthin about greater difficulty loading, not sure what they meant... We have a front-load washer, which we bought a few years ago. Seems to do fine washing the clothes, and uses a lot less water and detergent. No more bending over to load and unload than the front-load dryer beside it (which is 20 years old).... The trip from the washer to the dryer is shorter - I just get down on my knees and move it from one to the other in handfulls until it's all done. Then I stand up. I lose socks in the washer at about the same rate as in the dryer - you do need to "get down" to fish out the ones stuck to the top of the drum. |
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Steve wrote: Looks like I'm gonna want a stacking washer/dryer. The dealers seem to be pushing front-loaders everywhere now. Near as I can tell, the front-load options allow for fullsize units, as opposed to the smaller stackable top-loaders. Do you use a front-load washer? Happy with it? More bending over to load and unload? Consumer Reports said sumpthin about greater difficulty loading, not sure what they meant... -- Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. ...WC Fields My washer went out last November and I bought an LG washer and dryer with the stacking kit and love them. They wash so well and spin out so much water that it takes no time to dry the clothes. They are energy efficient and quiet. LG seems to be rated better than most and there are very few complaints about them. I would say go for it. Do your research and buy what you want, but consider the LG's. The stack kit is better than the others...heavy metal versus foam and stuff. |
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D Smith wrote:
No more bending over to load and unload than the front-load dryer beside it (which is 20 years old).... The trip from the washer to the dryer is shorter - I just get down on my knees and move it from one to the other in handfulls until it's all done. Then I stand up. I lose socks in the washer at about the same rate as in the dryer - you do need to "get down" to fish out the ones stuck to the top of the drum. You musta spent some time training your socks - mine crawl behind the drum to hide. And, while I couldn't prove this, I'm pretty sure some of them have managed to escape the washer entirely at some point in the cycle. -- My friends tell me I have an intimacy problem. But they don't really know me. ....Garry Shandling |
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"USA1st" wrote:
My washer went out last November and I bought an LG washer and dryer with the stacking kit and love them. They wash so well and spin out so much water that it takes no time to dry the clothes. They are energy efficient and quiet. LG seems to be rated better than most and there are very few complaints about them. I would say go for it. Do your research and buy what you want, but consider the LG's. The stack kit is better than the others...heavy metal versus foam and stuff. Saw some LGs at BestBuy today, they look pretty cool too. Sorta tempted to put them in the living room. -- My friends tell me I have an intimacy problem. But they don't really know me. ....Garry Shandling |
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"USA1st" wrote:
My washer went out last November and I bought an LG washer and dryer with the stacking kit and love them. Any idea what the cu ft capacity is? Home Depot has the 3.42' washer for $799 and 7.0' dryer for $649. They also have the 3.72' washer for $999 and 7.3' dryer for $799. Does that amount of extra space seem meaningful? I'm not sure how tight you're supposed to pack the clothes in a front-loader, but it must take quite a bit more than an equivalent top-loader, since there's much less water and no agitator taking up room? -- My friends tell me I have an intimacy problem. But they don't really know me. ....Garry Shandling |
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The appliance manager at BestBuy told me sumpthin sorta weird, but
maybe it's true - he says the LG washers are great, but because they go to max spin instantly, there can be sympathetic vibration of floors etc. -- My friends tell me I have an intimacy problem. But they don't really know me. ....Garry Shandling |
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"Steve" wrote in message ... "USA1st" wrote: My washer went out last November and I bought an LG washer and dryer with the stacking kit and love them. Any idea what the cu ft capacity is? Home Depot has the 3.42' washer for $799 and 7.0' dryer for $649. They also have the 3.72' washer for $999 and 7.3' dryer for $799. Does that amount of extra space seem meaningful? I'm not sure how tight you're supposed to pack the clothes in a front-loader, but it must take quite a bit more than an equivalent top-loader, since there's much less water and no agitator taking up room? I have a front load washer. I pack it with as much clothes as I can jam in there and it does fine. It is a different paradigm - it does not need to have free room in there. As another poster noted, it does use less water and I use about half the detergent. Tomes |
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"Tomes" wrote:
Any idea what the cu ft capacity is? Home Depot has the 3.42' washer for $799 and 7.0' dryer for $649. They also have the 3.72' washer for $999 and 7.3' dryer for $799. Does that amount of extra space seem meaningful? I'm not sure how tight you're supposed to pack the clothes in a front-loader, but it must take quite a bit more than an equivalent top-loader, since there's much less water and no agitator taking up room? I have a front load washer. I pack it with as much clothes as I can jam in there and it does fine. It is a different paradigm - it does not need to have free room in there. Is a 3.4 cu ft washer big enough for normal usage, or does the 3.7 seem worth the extra money? -- My friends tell me I have an intimacy problem. But they don't really know me. ....Garry Shandling |
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Steve wrote: More bending over to load and unload? I put mine n a 2' platform. We just store stuff underneath and there's no bending over. |
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i have a 3.4 and it does fine with a queen size comforter...and I have
squeezed a king size comforter in it with no problems. |
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you can't stack them if you put them on a platform. I stacked mine to
free up the other side of my tiny laundry room. this allowd me to build shelves to store more stuff. |
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"USA1st" wrote:
you can't stack them if you put them on a platform. Well, not unless you wanna play basketball getting the clothes into the dryer. Might be kinda fun... -- My friends tell me I have an intimacy problem. But they don't really know me. ....Garry Shandling |
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On 7 May 2006 15:25:59 -0700, "USA1st" wrote:
Steve wrote: Looks like I'm gonna want a stacking washer/dryer. The dealers seem to be pushing front-loaders everywhere now. Near as I can tell, the front-load options allow for fullsize units, as opposed to the smaller stackable top-loaders. Do you use a front-load washer? Happy with it? More bending over to load and unload? Consumer Reports said sumpthin about greater difficulty loading, not sure what they meant... My washer went out last November and I bought an LG washer and dryer with the stacking kit and love them. They wash so well and spin out so much water that it takes no time to dry the clothes. They are energy efficient and quiet. LG seems to be rated better than most and there are very few complaints about them. I would say go for it. Do your research and buy what you want, but consider the LG's. The stack kit is better than the others...heavy metal versus foam and stuff. Our Frigidaire Gallery set is still running well 3 years later and cost us 60% of what the Whirlpool, Kenmore, and Maytag varieties cost. Well worth it, especially with a 5-year extended warranty just in case (front load washer transmissions are the weakest link in these machines). |
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"Steve" wrote in message ... The appliance manager at BestBuy told me sumpthin sorta weird, but maybe it's true - he says the LG washers are great, but because they go to max spin instantly, there can be sympathetic vibration of floors etc. That's not an LG thing. You can't install a front-load washer anywhere but a basement, on a solid concrete floor. That is, unless you LIKE all your pictures shaking off the walls. -Dave |
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"Steve" wrote in message ... "USA1st" wrote: My washer went out last November and I bought an LG washer and dryer with the stacking kit and love them. Any idea what the cu ft capacity is? Home Depot has the 3.42' washer for $799 and 7.0' dryer for $649. They also have the 3.72' washer for $999 and 7.3' dryer for $799. Does that amount of extra space seem meaningful? If all else is equal, buy the LARGEST capacity you can afford. Don't buy a crappy set just because it's bigger, but if you have a choice that is equal in quality, buy the larger ones. We bought a set at Lowes that is appropriately sized for a KING sized comforter, according to both Lowe's literature (in the store) and the manufacturer of the appliances. It does an OK job of washing our QUEEN sized comforter. The QUEEN sized comforter is really squashed in the (supposedly KING size) washer. I wouldn't attempt to wash a KING sized comforter!!! I also believe that the queen sized comforter would probably get cleaner if the washer (and dryer) were a bit larger. But we bought the KING size appliances, so sheesh . . . what's larger than that? -Dave |
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"USA1st" wrote in message oups.com... i have a 3.4 and it does fine with a queen size comforter...and I have squeezed a king size comforter in it with no problems. I have a 3.7 and it's a bit small for a QUEEN sized comforter. I wouldn't attempt to wash a King sized comforter with it. The QUEEN sized comforter is really squashed in there. -Dave |
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"Mike T." wrote:
That's not an LG thing. You can't install a front-load washer anywhere but a basement, on a solid concrete floor. That is, unless you LIKE all your pictures shaking off the walls. -Dave Agree make sure that floor is SOLID |
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"Mike T." wrote:
The appliance manager at BestBuy told me sumpthin sorta weird, but maybe it's true - he says the LG washers are great, but because they go to max spin instantly, there can be sympathetic vibration of floors etc. That's not an LG thing. You can't install a front-load washer anywhere but a basement, on a solid concrete floor. That is, unless you LIKE all your pictures shaking off the walls. I've seen plenty of front-loaders in high-rise condos, but that's probably concrete and steel construction, so I guess vibration wouldn't be a problem? -- My friends tell me I have an intimacy problem. But they don't really know me. ....Garry Shandling |
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"Mike T." wrote:
The front-load washer will shake a house so bad that most new owners assume that it is defective. (and thus they call for service) -Dave That was my experience Bough Kenmore FL units Shakes the floor so hard I swear I wont buy another front loader ever UNLES its concrete floor I'm going top loader Fisher Paykel next time. Opinions? |
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"Mike T." wrote:
I've seen plenty of front-loaders in high-rise condos, but that's probably concrete and steel construction, so I guess vibration wouldn't be a problem? Depends on your definition of problem. If you have nothing hanging on your walls anyway, NO PROBLEM. The guys installing our front-loader set said that 90% of new front-load washer owners request warranty repair within the first few weeks if the washer is not sitting on solid concrete. The front-load washer will shake a house so bad that most new owners assume that it is defective. (and thus they call for service) Thanks for the info, dunno what a guy would do without this group! Interestingly, I don't recall any mention of this in Consumer Reports. Wouldntcha think they'd run across this problem in their testing? -- Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. ....Albert Einstein |
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Thanks for the info, dunno what a guy would do without this group!
Interestingly, I don't recall any mention of this in Consumer Reports. Wouldntcha think they'd run across this problem in their testing? Consumer Distorts probably tested in a lab with a concrete floor or some kind of ultra-hard industrial flooring (on top of concrete). Interestingly enough, our front loader sits directly on concrete floor in the basement, and shakes the nearby concrete WALLS, also. But we don't feel any vibration upstairs. Still, if you ever even put your hand on the washer during the spin cycle, you will understand the need for installing it on concrete, without anybody telling you that it's necessary. These things have a lot of POWER and TORQUE, and they throw your laundry around at insane speeds, causing very violent vibrations. You do NOT want these vibrations transmitted through a typical floor in a modern house. It has to be set on solid concrete. -Dave |
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I installed my new whirlpool front loader in a room framed with
16 foot long 2X12 floor joists on 12 in centers. I can relate to how it might vibrate violently if loaded in such a way that it becomes unbalanced, but so far there's been no problem and i works great. -Mike |
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hubcap wrote:
I installed my new whirlpool front loader in a room framed with 16 foot long 2X12 floor joists on 12 in centers. I can relate to how it might vibrate violently if loaded in such a way that it becomes unbalanced, but so far there's been no problem and i works great. -Mike I'm thinking if a person is gonna install a front loader on a "soft" floor..... than maybe installing it under a counter or at least bolting it and the dryer together may help reduce vibration or spread vibration out What you think? Good idea or bad idea? |
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Steve wrote: "Mike T." wrote: The appliance manager at BestBuy told me sumpthin sorta weird, but maybe it's true - he says the LG washers are great, but because they go to max spin instantly, there can be sympathetic vibration of floors etc. That's not an LG thing. You can't install a front-load washer anywhere but a basement, on a solid concrete floor. That is, unless you LIKE all your pictures shaking off the walls. I've seen plenty of front-loaders in high-rise condos, but that's probably concrete and steel construction, so I guess vibration wouldn't be a problem? -- My friends tell me I have an intimacy problem. But they don't really know me. ...Garry Shandling My LG's are in my house in my laundry room off from the kitchen on a plywood base floor (and actually on vinyl floor) and I have no vibration problems. I can hear the final spin cycle but it doesn't vibrate anything. Of course the people that delivered it installed them. I have been very pleased. |
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D Smith wrote:
This isn't to say that people that report problems here are wrong - just to say that some of us have front-loaders on the main floor (not concrete) and don't have shaking problems. It probably depends on just how much flex there is in a particular floor. Understand and agree I probably live in a rental apartment that has a very "flexy" floor But given that you never know what the floor will be like in any rental unit I still am going back to top loader next time. That's just me of course Now if I owned my own house....and could do something abt the floor.....Id stick with FL |
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Mike T. wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ... The appliance manager at BestBuy told me sumpthin sorta weird, but maybe it's true - he says the LG washers are great, but because they go to max spin instantly, there can be sympathetic vibration of floors etc. That's not an LG thing. You can't install a front-load washer anywhere but a basement, on a solid concrete floor. That is, unless you LIKE all your pictures shaking off the walls. -Dave My toploader died 6 years ago and I decided I would get a energy and water efficient machine. We have had a Maytag Neptune since. In this house it sits on a concrete floor in the laundry room - In our last house it was on concrete in the garage. The Neptune does not spin up to full speed right away. It tosses the clothes at low speed and gradually speeds up to allow them to spread out in the drum more evenly. It is vibrates sometimes, but it's usually very quiet and has never tried to walk across the floor like the old top loader did from time to time. The noisiest part of the entire wash process is when it's filling with water. I calculated the water usage/cost to see if the thing was really worth the extra money. I paid about a $grand for the Neptune and figured a good top loader would cost me $400-$500 at the time. The water savings alone paid back the cost difference in less than five years. One might argue that waiting 5 years for the payback might not be worth it, but it is a payback, and I wanted to conserve water and elecricity so it was the right choice for me. |
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"Mike T." wrote in message
reenews.net... "Steve" wrote in message ... The appliance manager at BestBuy told me sumpthin sorta weird, but maybe it's true - he says the LG washers are great, but because they go to max spin instantly, there can be sympathetic vibration of floors etc. That's not an LG thing. You can't install a front-load washer anywhere but a basement, on a solid concrete floor. That is, unless you LIKE all your pictures shaking off the walls. -Dave I disagree with this. My front loader is in the laundry room next to the kitchen, with a normal first story floor and vibration is NOT an issue, either from the washer or the dryer. My pictures stay on the walls fine. If it shakes that much, something is wrong with the machine. Tomes |
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wrote in message
... hubcap wrote: I installed my new whirlpool front loader in a room framed with 16 foot long 2X12 floor joists on 12 in centers. I can relate to how it might vibrate violently if loaded in such a way that it becomes unbalanced, but so far there's been no problem and i works great. -Mike I'm thinking if a person is gonna install a front loader on a "soft" floor..... than maybe installing it under a counter or at least bolting it and the dryer together may help reduce vibration or spread vibration out What you think? Good idea or bad idea? I think that one should just get a good front loader that does not vibrate. Mine does not have these problems and is located on a normal first story floor. It's not like we are careful to balance the load either, we just shove it full, add detergent and turn it on. No problem. Kenmore 417.something model. Tomes |
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Tomes wrote: "Mike T." wrote in message reenews.net... "Steve" wrote in message ... The appliance manager at BestBuy told me sumpthin sorta weird, but maybe it's true - he says the LG washers are great, but because they go to max spin instantly, there can be sympathetic vibration of floors etc. That's not an LG thing. You can't install a front-load washer anywhere but a basement, on a solid concrete floor. That is, unless you LIKE all your pictures shaking off the walls. -Dave I disagree with this. My front loader is in the laundry room next to the kitchen, with a normal first story floor and vibration is NOT an issue, either from the washer or the dryer. My pictures stay on the walls fine. If it shakes that much, something is wrong with the machine. Tomes I don't know how all front loaders are built but was told LG's do not use a belt...are are direct drum driven, so perhaps that is why there is less vibration? They are more stable? |
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"USA1st" wrote:
I don't know how all front loaders are built but was told LG's do not use a belt...are direct drum driven, so perhaps that is why there is less vibration? They are more stable? I was told that LGs are the biggest problem - they're not belt-driven, so they reach final spin speed almost instantaneously, not gradually, which causes vibration problems. Dunno whether this explanation makes any sense, or even whether it's accurate... -- Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. ....Albert Einstein |
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you do need to "get down" to fish out the ones stuck to the top of the
drum. If you grab the nearest fin on the inside of the drum and give it a push, you can roll the drum 180 degrees and bring whatever's at the top to the bottom without fishing. Usually, it's not dead center at the top and appears just off center from the bottom in one small push or pull of the fin. "D Smith" wrote in message ... Steve writes: Looks like I'm gonna want a stacking washer/dryer. The dealers seem to be pushing front-loaders everywhere now. Near as I can tell, the front-load options allow for fullsize units, as opposed to the smaller stackable top-loaders. Do you use a front-load washer? Happy with it? More bending over to load and unload? Consumer Reports said sumpthin about greater difficulty loading, not sure what they meant... We have a front-load washer, which we bought a few years ago. Seems to do fine washing the clothes, and uses a lot less water and detergent. No more bending over to load and unload than the front-load dryer beside it (which is 20 years old).... The trip from the washer to the dryer is shorter - I just get down on my knees and move it from one to the other in handfulls until it's all done. Then I stand up. I lose socks in the washer at about the same rate as in the dryer - you do need to "get down" to fish out the ones stuck to the top of the drum. |
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Curtis CCR wrote: Mike T. wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ... The appliance manager at BestBuy told me sumpthin sorta weird, but maybe it's true - he says the LG washers are great, but because they go to max spin instantly, there can be sympathetic vibration of floors etc. That's not an LG thing. You can't install a front-load washer anywhere but a basement, on a solid concrete floor. That is, unless you LIKE all your pictures shaking off the walls. -Dave My toploader died 6 years ago and I decided I would get a energy and water efficient machine. We have had a Maytag Neptune since. In this house it sits on a concrete floor in the laundry room - In our last house it was on concrete in the garage. The Neptune does not spin up to full speed right away. It tosses the clothes at low speed and gradually speeds up to allow them to spread out in the drum more evenly. It is vibrates sometimes, but it's usually very quiet and has never tried to walk across the floor like the old top loader did from time to time. The noisiest part of the entire wash process is when it's filling with water. I calculated the water usage/cost to see if the thing was really worth the extra money. I paid about a $grand for the Neptune and figured a good top loader would cost me $400-$500 at the time. The water savings alone paid back the cost difference in less than five years. One might argue that waiting 5 years for the payback might not be worth it, but it is a payback, and I wanted to conserve water and elecricity so it was the right choice for me. Here I am, ten days after the last post and feeling compelled to update. Just had the control board and door lock motor in my Neptune replaced this morning the tune of over $400. It is not clear whether the board went bad and wrecked the lock motor, or vice versa. Sypmtom was the spin wouldn't start so our clothes were still soaking wet when the machine stopped. Neptunes will wash-rinse-repeat when unlocked. However they will not spin with an unsecured door. This is the only repair we have needed in the 6 years we have had the machine, but any further problems with repair estmates this high will result in my replacing the machine. I will be watching what people say about LGs and others. |
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On 19 May 2006 15:07:33 -0700, "Curtis CCR"
wrote: Here I am, ten days after the last post and feeling compelled to update. Just had the control board and door lock motor in my Neptune If you ever have the problem of disposing of a dead Neptune, you should call the Neptune society. |
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wrote: On 19 May 2006 15:07:33 -0700, "Curtis CCR" wrote: Here I am, ten days after the last post and feeling compelled to update. Just had the control board and door lock motor in my Neptune If you ever have the problem of disposing of a dead Neptune, you should call the Neptune society. So far, I love my LG's and friends and family all want them now too. I have read good things about them on the internet and very little that was not good. I don't have the steam one, but love what I have and wash a load almost everyday. |
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