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[email protected] December 8th 04 05:13 PM

Help with my TV!
 
I have a Tv given to me from my parents when they got a big screen. It
is an RCA I think. It is a "CabinentTV" for lack of a better term.

It is my main TV in the living room. Even since my parents had it, when
watching "over air" channels, especially 2 and 4 all of a sudden the
picture goes out or gets week and there is a terible "shrieking". I can
jiggle the coax in the back and make it go away but it does it again. A
year or two ago I took the back off and my guess is it is something in
the coax connection on the tv itself. How would I go about diagnosing
and repairing this?


Sam Goldwasser December 8th 04 05:31 PM

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I have a Tv given to me from my parents when they got a big screen. It
is an RCA I think. It is a "CabinentTV" for lack of a better term.

It is my main TV in the living room. Even since my parents had it, when
watching "over air" channels, especially 2 and 4 all of a sudden the
picture goes out or gets week and there is a terible "shrieking". I can
jiggle the coax in the back and make it go away but it does it again. A
year or two ago I took the back off and my guess is it is something in
the coax connection on the tv itself. How would I go about diagnosing
and repairing this?


Bad solder connections. What is the exact model and/or chassis number
on back?

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sofie December 8th 04 05:55 PM

stryped:
Do not continue to operate the television with this problem..... get it to
a repair shop and have it fixed right away. If you wait and try to nurse
this along it will get worse to the point that the resulting repair will be
much more expensive.
Right now, based on the limited information that you posted I would guess
that this is the "common" CTC 175, 185, 187 etc...chassis problem with
on-board tuner ground solder connections.
This is not a repair for the novice, take it to a shop for at the very least
a repair cost estimate so you can make an intelligent repair decision with
facts instead of internet guesses. More than likely at this point the
repair will be fairly economical unless you wait too long or try to perform
a buggered up home repair attempt.
While you don't have to be a rocket scientist to perform this repair, it
does require the proper knowledge, experience, tools, procedure, etc.
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I have a Tv given to me from my parents when they got a big screen. It
is an RCA I think. It is a "CabinentTV" for lack of a better term.

It is my main TV in the living room. Even since my parents had it, when
watching "over air" channels, especially 2 and 4 all of a sudden the
picture goes out or gets week and there is a terible "shrieking". I can
jiggle the coax in the back and make it go away but it does it again. A
year or two ago I took the back off and my guess is it is something in
the coax connection on the tv itself. How would I go about diagnosing
and repairing this?




[email protected] December 8th 04 06:56 PM

This TV has been doinghtis for years and was given to me. I would not
mind taking it to a shop but it is very heavy and my wife is expecting
a baby any day now.

Is there a way I can "attempt" to do this at home?

What exactly is the problem? I will have to get the numbers tomorrow.
For some reason it only does it on over the air channels that are not
really strong. Strong signal channels and satelite do not cause the
problem.


john December 8th 04 07:42 PM

What are the Magic Numbers please.?

kip



James Sweet December 8th 04 10:34 PM


wrote in message
oups.com...
This TV has been doinghtis for years and was given to me. I would not
mind taking it to a shop but it is very heavy and my wife is expecting
a baby any day now.

Is there a way I can "attempt" to do this at home?

What exactly is the problem? I will have to get the numbers tomorrow.
For some reason it only does it on over the air channels that are not
really strong. Strong signal channels and satelite do not cause the
problem.


You seem to have diagnosed it pretty well yourself, wiggling the coax fixes
it, likely if you open it up you'll be able to see cracked soldering that
your wiggling is effecting, this is a good beginner TV repair project, just
read up on the safety stuff in the FAQ first.



Art December 9th 04 12:02 AM

Be advised, if it is an RCA with the imbedded (On Board Tuner) you best read
all the info at the "repairfaq" site before even attempting to do this.
Cheers. As posted, need the actual CTC number and at least the Model number
to give really qualified answers.
"James Sweet" wrote in message
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wrote in message
oups.com...
This TV has been doinghtis for years and was given to me. I would not
mind taking it to a shop but it is very heavy and my wife is expecting
a baby any day now.

Is there a way I can "attempt" to do this at home?

What exactly is the problem? I will have to get the numbers tomorrow.
For some reason it only does it on over the air channels that are not
really strong. Strong signal channels and satelite do not cause the
problem.


You seem to have diagnosed it pretty well yourself, wiggling the coax
fixes
it, likely if you open it up you'll be able to see cracked soldering that
your wiggling is effecting, this is a good beginner TV repair project,
just
read up on the safety stuff in the FAQ first.





LASERandDVDfan December 9th 04 06:16 AM

This TV has been doinghtis for years and was given to me. I would not
mind taking it to a shop but it is very heavy and my wife is expecting
a baby any day now.

Is there a way I can "attempt" to do this at home?


I wouldn't recommend repairing it yourself, especially if you have no
experience soldering and/or if the set uses an inline tuner module which was
known to develop solder joint cracks for the tuner grounds.
But, whether or not this set has an inline tuner or not depends on the chassis
number, which is followed by a CTC prefix. This important number is printed on
the lower right hand corner of the rear label for the television while the
lower left hand corner has the model number of the set printed on the same
label.

If the set, according to its CTC number, has an inline tuner module, it is
highly recommended that you call a reputable repair professional and ask if
they can perform an in-house repair.

Continued use of a Thomson set with bad solder ground connections in the inline
tuner module with chassis so equipped with it can eventually damage the system
control EEPROM, which will require a much more extensive and expensive repair
to fix provided that parts are even still available for it. - Reinhart

[email protected] December 9th 04 01:26 PM


john wrote:
What are the Magic Numbers please.?

kip


The numbers I got last night a
Model # G35830WK

Chasis # CTC169JS6

Does that help?


[email protected] December 9th 04 01:27 PM

The numbers I got last night a
Model # G35830WK

Chasis # CTC169JS6

Does that help?


[email protected] December 9th 04 01:51 PM

The typical problems I read do not seem like my problem. The picture
just "cuts out" and there is loud screetching. Flipping the channel
back and forth sometimes fixes it. Wiggleing the coax sometimes fixes
it. Seems like it only does it on the weak channels. @ and 4 the most.
Satelite or vcr is fine.


john December 9th 04 02:05 PM

The numbers I got last night a
Model # G35830WK

Chasis # CTC169JS6

Does that help?


Sure it helps now we know what you have...

Most probabaly the Tuner ,if you feel up to it
remove the Tuner pull off the shields and resolder
the ground points then reinstall.

Done many..

kip



[email protected] December 9th 04 02:11 PM

How hard is it? Do the problems I have dictate this is what it is? I
have never soldered a board before. I have an electrician at work that
is good at it though.
Could I just buy a replacement tuner and pop it in?


john December 9th 04 02:30 PM

Could I just buy a replacement tuner and pop it in?


Yes you can...


kip



[email protected] December 9th 04 02:38 PM


john wrote:
Could I just buy a replacement tuner and pop it in?


Yes you can...


kip


What would you recommend? Will the new tuner eventually have the same
problem as the old? How do I determine this is my problem?


[email protected] December 9th 04 02:40 PM

Can I not buy a new tuner?

How hard is it to take out the board if I was to take it to a repair
shop to resolder?


BWL December 9th 04 04:26 PM

Stop using the onboard tuner and start using the VCR's tuner, since you've
already got it connected via RCA cables...won't cost a dime.

James Sweet December 9th 04 06:48 PM


wrote in message
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john wrote:
Could I just buy a replacement tuner and pop it in?


Yes you can...


kip


What would you recommend? Will the new tuner eventually have the same
problem as the old? How do I determine this is my problem?


Have somebody experienced look at it, if you've never soldered before you're
just asking to have to buy a new TV if you try to save money and fix it
yourself.



James Sweet December 9th 04 06:50 PM


wrote in message
oups.com...
Can I not buy a new tuner?


Yes but you'll still have to solder it so what's the point?

How hard is it to take out the board if I was to take it to a repair
shop to resolder?


Depends on what you consider hard. If you can disconnect a bunch of
connectors and remove some screws while remembering where it all goes then
yes.



[email protected] December 9th 04 06:56 PM


James Sweet wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Can I not buy a new tuner?


Yes but you'll still have to solder it so what's the point?

How hard is it to take out the board if I was to take it to a

repair
shop to resolder?


Depends on what you consider hard. If you can disconnect a bunch of
connectors and remove some screws while remembering where it all goes

then
yes.


But I will still have to solder right? I can do the above you mentioned
I believe.


James Sweet December 9th 04 08:37 PM


wrote in message
oups.com...

James Sweet wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Can I not buy a new tuner?


Yes but you'll still have to solder it so what's the point?

How hard is it to take out the board if I was to take it to a

repair
shop to resolder?


Depends on what you consider hard. If you can disconnect a bunch of
connectors and remove some screws while remembering where it all goes

then
yes.


But I will still have to solder right? I can do the above you mentioned
I believe.


You can usually remove and reinstall the chassis without any soldering, but
as someone else said, you still may have a hard time finding a shop to fix
it, at the very least they likely won't give you any sort of warranty.



[email protected] December 9th 04 09:31 PM

BWL wrote:
Stop using the onboard tuner and start using the VCR's tuner, since you've
already got it connected via RCA cables...won't cost a dime.


This is actually very bad advice. Bad solder connections only get worse.

---
Met vriendelijke groet,

Maarten Bakker.

[email protected] December 9th 04 09:38 PM


James Sweet wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
This TV has been doinghtis for years and was given to me. I would

not
mind taking it to a shop but it is very heavy and my wife is

expecting
a baby any day now.

Is there a way I can "attempt" to do this at home?

What exactly is the problem? I will have to get the numbers

tomorrow.
For some reason it only does it on over the air channels that are

not
really strong. Strong signal channels and satelite do not cause the
problem.


You seem to have diagnosed it pretty well yourself, wiggling the coax

fixes
it, likely if you open it up you'll be able to see cracked soldering

that
your wiggling is effecting, this is a good beginner TV repair

project, just
read up on the safety stuff in the FAQ first.

How do I go about fixing it? Do I have to remove the tuner?


[email protected] December 9th 04 09:39 PM

Your are taling about the whole chasis, not the tuner, right?


James Sweet December 9th 04 10:42 PM


wrote in message
oups.com...

James Sweet wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
This TV has been doinghtis for years and was given to me. I would

not
mind taking it to a shop but it is very heavy and my wife is

expecting
a baby any day now.

Is there a way I can "attempt" to do this at home?

What exactly is the problem? I will have to get the numbers

tomorrow.
For some reason it only does it on over the air channels that are

not
really strong. Strong signal channels and satelite do not cause the
problem.


You seem to have diagnosed it pretty well yourself, wiggling the coax

fixes
it, likely if you open it up you'll be able to see cracked soldering

that
your wiggling is effecting, this is a good beginner TV repair

project, just
read up on the safety stuff in the FAQ first.

How do I go about fixing it? Do I have to remove the tuner?


*sigh* have you read any of these replies?



sofie December 10th 04 12:04 AM

give it up.... and take it to a repair shop.
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wrote in message
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Your are taling about the whole chasis, not the tuner, right?




James Sweet December 10th 04 06:06 AM


"John Del" wrote in message
...
Subject: Help with my TV!
From:



Stop using the onboard tuner and start using the VCR's tuner,



This is actually very bad advice. Bad solder connections only get worse.

---


Not true in this case. The 169 tuner will not cause collateral damage to

the
chassis that the later models will

John Del
Wolcott, CT


It's bad advice in general though to ignore a problem of any sort and keep
using something, breeds bad habbits that are hard to kick.




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