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On Thu, 27 May 2021 20:44:46 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
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micky wrote
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Is there any "market" for old electronics, even for free?

Depends on what it is. Quite a decent market for early personal
computers and some more specialised stuff like SCSI cards etc.

I actually found a recycler in driving distance
who claims he will even take my CRT tvs.

That's certainly a bit dubious.

I know, except for some weird situation I won't
find, no one wants a CRT TV but what about....

A westell DSL modem Hub

None here, we have moved to VDSL2+ now.

Might still be some demand there.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westell-Wir...-/153433002888
still offered for $20 plus 9 shipping,
but does that mean anyone can use it?

They can if they still have a dsl service.

My wifi router.

Some do still use those as wifi access points to get more wifi access
in
their house.

a router without wifi?

A few do still use those.

(bought by mistake at a hamfest, when
I didn't notice it had no antenna. Otherwise
it looked just like the one I was using.

Thanks everyone. The guy who says he'll take the CRT tvs will also
thaek everything else electronic, AC or battery, and I'm going to use
what I find in this thread and decide how much other stuff to take to
him and how much to dispose of elsewhere.

A guy rang my doorbell a few weeks ago having spotted a few car
batteries
(well 1 car battery and 4 sealed ones from a UPS) lying at the side of
my
garage (17m from the pavement) and asked if I wanted rid of them. I
think
you can get a fiver each in bulk, I know someone pays 2 each to a local
garage to take dead ones from there, and presumably he makes a profit.

I've arranged to borrow a pickup to deliver to him, and there's a
hamfest the Sunday before that where I can just give some of the
lighter
stuff to any vendor who might want to sell it and keep what little he
gets money.

(One year I had my own "booth" (tarp) for two days at the Gaithersburg
hamfest, and I did pretty well. Over night, I just left evefrything
there, with prices marked and a couple things were sold, with the money
put under the tarp. Nothing expensive.

I guess IIUC UPS would wrap things for shipping if I sold on ebay, but
I'm not ready for that yet.

Has to be a fair price to bother with that. Ebay take 10%,

then you pay shipping.

Or the buyer does.


Silly way of looking at it.


Yours is.

When I buy I look at the whole price. Item + postage, or item + fuel for
me to drive there.


So does everyone else with a clue.


So you admit I'm correct.

If something is worth 10 to Mr Smith, but it costs 8 to get it to him,
you can only extract 2 from Mr Smith.


Silly way of looking at it.


No it isn't. If you have an item you're clearing out and are thinking of flogging it on Ebay, and it weighs a lot, you can only make the value minus the postage.

If it's not going to make a profit, put it on freecycle,


The local facebook buy swap sell groups work much better.


Maybe they do over there, but here Gumtree and Freecycle work best.


Bull****.


You've never tried it here. There aren't enough people using Facebook, and it's ****ing disorganised. On Gumtree, things are in categories, you can search for things, you can set up email alerts for when someone sells something you're looking for.

I went on a Facebook group and it had about 20 times less stuff. I put a
cooker on Gumtree and was phoned in 2 minutes.


The technical term for that is 'pathetically inadequate sample'


It's a huge sample wen you look at what everyone is selling on Gumtree in the whole country, compared to FB.

there will be someone who wants to play with old stuff,


Depends on what it is. No one ever
wants the old CRT tvs or monitors.


People with enough space that just want a crappy screen for a Linux server
do.


There are far fewer


It's "less". Do you have a separate word for more dependant on countability?

of those than there are old CRT tvs or monitors.


But the CRTs have mostly died, so there's a lot less available.

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Repair Clinics http://www.dvhrc.com/pdfs/Oscillator...er%202019..pdf Go to page 7. That is a shot from the September 2018 Kutztown Meet showing me at the repair table. I am fussing with a Hickok 6000 tube tester for the younger gentleman in front of me. The older gentleman behind me to the left is an observer. The speaker is sitting on the Iso-Variac (Blue Box). Hidden behind the speaker are the transmitters for Radio Free Kutztown, and various tools-of-the-trade including a Fluke meter are on my right. You will note an articulated light, a silicon baking pad and that I work over an old towel - dropped screws don't bounce on a towel, and a hot soldering iron makes no impression on a baking pad, nor does hot solder.

Also not shown are the big Hickok 539B tube tester, the signal tracer and generator, LCR and ESR meters.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...9Tzvg&usqp=CAU

Shows a shot from the actual event announced in the previous article, same lamp, and the tube tester. Same towel, same red baking mat.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
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On Fri, 28 May 2021 19:50:16 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
micky wrote

Is there any "market" for old electronics, even for free?

Depends on what it is. Quite a decent market for early personal
computers and some more specialised stuff like SCSI cards etc.

I found a 70s Commodore Pet (8KB RAM) going for 3 grand!

Its much higher with the earlier stuff.

I actually found a recycler in driving distance
who claims he will even take my CRT tvs.

That's certainly a bit dubious.

Why? Presumably they break it for materials, like with any
electronics.

There isnt much of any real value in a CRT tv.

Even the glass isnt of any real value because
its very specialised glass and there is plenty of
much more useful glass with used drink bottles.

I know, except for some weird situation I won't
find, no one wants a CRT TV but what about....

A westell DSL modem Hub

None here, we have moved to VDSL2+ now.

We have fibre optics.

We do too and all the new stuff is, but we also have VDSL2+
and so do you. I could have said the original better.

Only in a very few outlying areas.

That's not true.


It is in the UK.


Nope.

We even got fibre to the home at 18% a year ago.


Not to all but a very few outlying areas you didn't.


Look up the BT stats. That's where I got the numbers from.

Pretty much everyone has fibre to the cabinet,


That's VDSL2+


We name it more recognisably.

which is usually 40-80Mbit.


Mine will do 130Mb but I only pay for 50Mb.


Mine will do 54 (long way to the cabinet over copper wire) but I pay for 38.

All of our new ones and plenty of existing houses
are fiber to the home and that will do 1Gb


I dunno about new homes here, but I've seen a few people have it retro fitted. I bet when their next door neighbour asks for it, BT has to do **** all to join it on, but charge them the same.

Might still be some demand there.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westell-Wir...-/153433002888
still offered for $20 plus 9 shipping,
but does that mean anyone can use it?

They can if they still have a dsl service.

My wifi router.

Some do still use those as wifi access points to get more wifi access
in
their house.

a router without wifi?

A few do still use those.

I virtually never use my wifi.

I do for the smartphone which I use all the time
and for the kindle and for all the fully automated
lights etc and for all the stuff like echo dots, google
home minis and for the video surveillance too.


I'm trying to set up video surveillance - testing some USB cameras,
might go for IP cameras over an ethernet cable. But WiFi is nowhere
near fast enough for several 4K video streams.


Plenty fast enough for the one for each camera.


What is that in English?


There is one wifi stream to each camera.

What I meant was Wifi is shared is it not? Between all the cameras.


Not.


Your WiFi access point will transmit at a certain speed, that's shared among all devices. Unless you have two access points on different channels, which is difficult as then neighbours start interfering.

It's only for the mobile phone, and only because I run science
projects on it which would eat 4G data.

Yep, you are a real dinosaur tech wise.

I only use tech that I need or want,

But what you need or want is stupid with smartphones.


********, what am I not using that would benefit me?


Google maps to get to where you want to go with
real time turn by turn directions and traffic etc
when you are going somewhere you havent been
before for a gumtree or freecycle pickup etc.


My Satnav does that.

you use it for the sake of it.

Wrong, I use tech that I need or want.


Most of what you have are gimmics.


Wrong.


Still waiting for something useful. Your Alexa isn't for a start you lazy bugger.
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Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
micky wrote

Is there any "market" for old electronics, even for free?

Depends on what it is. Quite a decent market for early personal
computers and some more specialised stuff like SCSI cards etc.

I found a 70s Commodore Pet (8KB RAM) going for 3 grand!

Its much higher with the earlier stuff.

I actually found a recycler in driving distance
who claims he will even take my CRT tvs.

That's certainly a bit dubious.

Why? Presumably they break it for materials, like with any
electronics.

There isnt much of any real value in a CRT tv.

Even the glass isnt of any real value because
its very specialised glass and there is plenty of
much more useful glass with used drink bottles.

I know, except for some weird situation I won't
find, no one wants a CRT TV but what about....

A westell DSL modem Hub

None here, we have moved to VDSL2+ now.

We have fibre optics.

We do too and all the new stuff is, but we also have VDSL2+
and so do you. I could have said the original better.

Only in a very few outlying areas.

That's not true.


It is in the UK.


Nope.

We even got fibre to the home at 18% a year ago.


Not to all but a very few outlying areas you didn't.


Look up the BT stats.


They say nothing like that.

That's where I got the numbers from.


But you didn't understand that fiber
to the cabinet isnt fiber to the home.

Pretty much everyone has fibre to the cabinet,


That's VDSL2+


We name it more recognisably.


But you still couldn't work out that fiber
to the cabinet isnt fiber to the home.

which is usually 40-80Mbit.


Mine will do 130Mb but I only pay for 50Mb.


Mine will do 54 (long way to the cabinet over copper wire) but I pay for
38.


I can have 25 but prefer 50 for the higher upload speed,
20. You only get 5 with a 25 download speed.

You can have 1Gb each way with fiber to the home
which lots have.

All of our new ones and plenty of existing houses
are fiber to the home and that will do 1Gb


I dunno about new homes here, but I've seen a few people have it retro
fitted. I bet when their next door neighbour asks for it, BT has to do
**** all to join it on, but charge them the same.

Might still be some demand there.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westell-Wir...-/153433002888
still offered for $20 plus 9 shipping,
but does that mean anyone can use it?

They can if they still have a dsl service.

My wifi router.

Some do still use those as wifi access points to get more wifi
access
in
their house.

a router without wifi?

A few do still use those.

I virtually never use my wifi.

I do for the smartphone which I use all the time
and for the kindle and for all the fully automated
lights etc and for all the stuff like echo dots, google
home minis and for the video surveillance too.


I'm trying to set up video surveillance - testing some USB cameras,
might go for IP cameras over an ethernet cable. But WiFi is nowhere
near fast enough for several 4K video streams.


Plenty fast enough for the one for each camera.

What is that in English?


There is one wifi stream to each camera.

What I meant was Wifi is shared is it not? Between all the cameras.


Not.


Your WiFi access point will transmit at a certain speed, that's shared
among all devices.


Nope, they each get that speed.

Unless you have two access points on different channels, which is
difficult as then neighbours start interfering.


Mangled again.

It's only for the mobile phone, and only because I run science
projects on it which would eat 4G data.

Yep, you are a real dinosaur tech wise.

I only use tech that I need or want,

But what you need or want is stupid with smartphones.

********, what am I not using that would benefit me?


Google maps to get to where you want to go with
real time turn by turn directions and traffic etc
when you are going somewhere you havent been
before for a gumtree or freecycle pickup etc.


My Satnav does that.


Google maps does it much better with you being
able to do it by the name of the commercial
operation and with real time traffic info as well.

you use it for the sake of it.

Wrong, I use tech that I need or want.


Most of what you have are gimmics.


Wrong.


Still waiting for something useful.


You have got plenty in the past.

Your Alexa isn't for a start you lazy bugger.


Google/nest is much better and you are just plain wrong.

Only a fool switches stuff off when going to bed and on
when getting up instead of saying "hey google, goodnight"
and "hey google, good morning" and getting the weather
forecast as well as the lights done. And don't try claiming
that you can just look out the window, I get up in the dark.

Same with the cooking timer for most meals, "hey google,
timer 3" sets 3 timers at once. Alexa cant do that.

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On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 04:51:03 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
blather

--
Another typical retarded "conversation" between the two resident idiots:

Birdbrain: "But imagine how cool it was to own slaves."

Senile Rodent: "Yeah, right. Feed them, clothe them, and fix them when
they're broken.
After all, you paid good money for them. Then you've got to keep an eye
on them all the time."

Birdbrain: "Better than having to give them wages on top of that."

Senile Rodent: "Specially when they make more slaves for you
and produce their own food and clothes."

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On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 15:08:46 +0100, Mike Coon
wrote:

In article ,
says...
We haven't used the tandem cycle 'that much' either but for the times
we have used it (camping / touring holidays) it has justified the
purchase price and because it's dry stored (and with no marina /
mooring fees g) will probably recoup most of it's cost when sold.

Cycles don't go out of fashion quite like some electronics. ;-)


Maybe having a partner on the back will turn out to be a longer-lasting
fashion/niche than e-bikes...


I guess for many an eBike could be just a novelty (especially when
they leave the battery to die and go to get a new one) but I have a
neighbour who regularly commutes on his eBike and for him it really is
an essential tool.

Tandems have their downsides, one big one being car drivers only
seeing 'a cycle', going to overtake, find out it's going faster than
they thought and then running out of road with a bollard in the middle
of the road (often then cutting the tandem up rather than dropping
back). ;-(

Ours is more of an off-road tandem and it's generally much more
entertaining there. ;-)

Cheers, T i m



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