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Commodore 1084S monitor
On Monday, March 17, 2003 at 12:16:39 AM UTC+2, A. W. Jackson wrote:
I recently purchased a second-hand Commodore 1084S monitor to use with my old videogame consoles (SNES, Saturn, etc.). I've tried the monitor out and it is fully functional, but there's a slight flaw in the picture. There are fuzzy vertical bars of slightly lighter/darker brightness (most clearly visible against a black picture) near the left edge of the screen, running the entire length of the screen from top to bottom. The bars' position and size change when I adjust the horizontal position and horizontal size knobs, so they're apparently not actual phosphor burn-in (which leads me to hope that I might be able to repair the problem). What kind of defect/damage might be responsible for these bars, and is it repairable? I checked the sci.electronics.repair TV repair and monitor repair FAQs and didn't see anything that looked closely similar to my problem. Also, I've been searching the web for information on this monitor, but it seems that at different times (or in different territories) Commodore sold several different monitors labelled "1084S", because all the "1084S" documentation I've found on the web so far seems to be for completely different monitors from mine. The monitor I have is a "1084S-P" manafactured by Phillips in June 1988, according to the label on the back. It has, for inputs, four RCA jacks (CVBS/L, C, L.Audio and R.Audio), an 8-pin DIN for TTL RGB, and a 6-pin DIN for analog RGB. There is also a plastic cover on the back which looks to be the right shape and size for an SCART connector (possibly because Commodore used the same case for both North American and European versions of this monitor?) Also on the back are knobs for horizontal position, horizontal size, vertical position, vertical size, a pushbutton for switching between CVBS and LCA, and a pushbutton labeled "VCR" whose function is unclear to me (nothing seems to change on the screen when I push it). The front panel has knobs for hue, brightness, contrast, color, sharpness, and volume, and a pushbutton for switching between CVBS and RGB. Does anyone know where I can download detailed information (such as a user's manual, or by some miracle a schematic) for a "1084" matching this particular description? --Alex W. Jackson-- Hi Alex! Did you ever solve this? Having exactly the same issue with exactly the same monitor. Thank you in advance! |
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Commodore 1084S monitor
George Alibinisis wrote:
On Monday, March 17, 2003 at 12:16:39 AM UTC+2, A. W. Jackson wrote: --Alex W. Jackson-- Hi Alex! Did you ever solve this? Having exactly the same issue with exactly the same monitor. Thank you in advance! Did you honestly think that replying to an 18 year old posting was likely to get you anything more than insults? Idiot. |
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Commodore 1084S monitor
On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 2:55:52 AM UTC+2, Rayner Lucas wrote:
In article , says... On Monday, March 17, 2003 at 12:16:39 AM UTC+2, A. W. Jackson wrote: I recently purchased a second-hand Commodore 1084S monitor to use with my old videogame consoles (SNES, Saturn, etc.). I've tried the monitor out and it is fully functional, but there's a slight flaw in the picture. There are fuzzy vertical bars of slightly lighter/darker brightness (most clearly visible against a black picture) near the left edge of the screen, running the entire length of the screen from top to bottom. The bars' position and size change when I adjust the horizontal position and horizontal size knobs, so they're apparently not actual phosphor burn-in (which leads me to hope that I might be able to repair the problem). What kind of defect/damage might be responsible for these bars, and is it repairable? Hi Alex! Did you ever solve this? Having exactly the same issue with exactly the same monitor. Thank you in advance! It's been over 17 years since the original message was posted, so it's unlikely that anyone remembers the result even if it did get fixed. What have you tried so far to fix or narrow down the problem, if anything? It sounds like some kind of ghosting or ringing; is there a picture you could upload anywhere (Imgur or similar) so we can see what it looks like? I'd start by swapping the video cable and also trying a different video source, just to make sure it really is the monitor at fault. Then I'd replace all electrolytic capacitors on general principle. These monitors are decades old and there are probably multiple caps that have gone out of spec by now, so just doing the whole lot can save multiple rounds of troubleshooting. There's a service manual for this monitor available at http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/c...tics/monitors/. The scan quality is poor, but it's certainly better than nothing. Rayner -- Big-8 Management Board: https://www.big-8.org Homepage: http://magic-cookie.co.uk Hi Rayner, Firstly just wanna say to the Google Groups Einstein that the 18 year period doesn't matter as long as the problem was solved and the guy is still around on this earth. The Commode/Amiga retro-scene is very much alive. Now I have posted lots of pics and info in this thread. I have already recapped the monitor and done a lot of measurements. https://www.edaboard.com/threads/com...-lines.396322/ I thought I'd also ask here as Alex faced the exact same problem. Thanks for your time Rayner. |
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Commodore 1084S monitor
You do need to know that the position of Village Idiot is occupied by an Australian at this time. Much as you might wish to compete, your status will remain "incurably stupid", only. You may re-apply should the incumbent leave.
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Commodore 1084S monitor
On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 4:48:11 PM UTC+2, Peter W. wrote:
You do need to know that the position of Village Idiot is occupied by an Australian at this time. Much as you might wish to compete, your status will remain "incurably stupid", only. You may re-apply should the incumbent leave. Get a life Peter instead of running stupidity contests in Google groups especially when you are the undisputed heavy weight champion. No way for the rest of us to win. |
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Commodore 1084S monitor
On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 1:24:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 4:48:11 PM UTC+2, Peter W. wrote: You do need to know that the position of Village Idiot is occupied by an Australian at this time. Much as you might wish to compete, your status will remain "incurably stupid", only. You may re-apply should the incumbent leave. Get a life Peter instead of running stupidity contests in Google groups especially when you are the undisputed heavy weight champion. No way for the rest of us to win. George: Then you are in full competition with Phil for the position? He may be relieved to know that. |
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Commodore 1084S monitor
On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 9:04:00 PM UTC+2, Peter W. wrote:
On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 1:24:24 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 4:48:11 PM UTC+2, Peter W. wrote: You do need to know that the position of Village Idiot is occupied by an Australian at this time. Much as you might wish to compete, your status will remain "incurably stupid", only. You may re-apply should the incumbent leave. Get a life Peter instead of running stupidity contests in Google groups especially when you are the undisputed heavy weight champion. No way for the rest of us to win. George: Then you are in full competition with Phil for the position? He may be relieved to know that. you re not funny dude |
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Commodore 1084S monitor
In article ,
says... Firstly just wanna say to the Google Groups Einstein that the 18 year period doesn't matter as long as the problem was solved and the guy is still around on this earth. The Commode/Amiga retro-scene is very much alive. Now I have posted lots of pics and info in this thread. I have already recapped the monitor and done a lot of measurements. https://www.edaboard.com/threads/com...or-with-faint- vertical-lines.396322/ I thought I'd also ask here as Alex faced the exact same problem. It's odd to see such an old thread get resurrected, but it is still a relevant post even if the original participants are no longer reading, so in this case I don't think it's anything to get worked up about. I see from that edaboard thread that you've already tried the most likely solutions :-( The slowly drifting *horizontal* lines you mention sound like hum bars, i.e. excessive voltage ripple from the power supply making its way onto the display. If this is the case you'd see two bars on screen at once (100Hz ripple from a full-wave rectifier, on a screen with 50Hz vertical refresh) Again, by far the most common cause is a bad filter capacitor in the low-voltage power supply, but there can be other components at fault. See https://www.repairfaq.org/sam/monfaq.htm#monrwphb If you have access to an oscilloscope, you might want to check the outputs of the power supply for unusually high ripple. In particular, the output of the 12V DC regulator (IC403) ought to look nice and stable, as the regulator should smooth out whatever makes it past the filter capacitor. Obligatory safety note: be very careful and don't work alone, these things have some nasty voltages inside them (including that 125V DC power supply output). I highly recommend the safety guidelines at https://www.repairfaq.org/sam/monfaq.htm#montrbs Rayner -- Big-8 Management Board: https://www.big-8.org Homepage: http://magic-cookie.co.uk |
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Commodore 1084S monitor
On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 1:52:36 AM UTC+2, Rayner Lucas wrote:
In article , says... Firstly just wanna say to the Google Groups Einstein that the 18 year period doesn't matter as long as the problem was solved and the guy is still around on this earth. The Commode/Amiga retro-scene is very much alive. Now I have posted lots of pics and info in this thread. I have already recapped the monitor and done a lot of measurements. https://www.edaboard.com/threads/com...or-with-faint- vertical-lines.396322/ I thought I'd also ask here as Alex faced the exact same problem. It's odd to see such an old thread get resurrected, but it is still a relevant post even if the original participants are no longer reading, so in this case I don't think it's anything to get worked up about. I see from that edaboard thread that you've already tried the most likely solutions :-( The slowly drifting *horizontal* lines you mention sound like hum bars, i.e. excessive voltage ripple from the power supply making its way onto the display. If this is the case you'd see two bars on screen at once (100Hz ripple from a full-wave rectifier, on a screen with 50Hz vertical refresh) Again, by far the most common cause is a bad filter capacitor in the low-voltage power supply, but there can be other components at fault. See https://www.repairfaq.org/sam/monfaq.htm#monrwphb If you have access to an oscilloscope, you might want to check the outputs of the power supply for unusually high ripple. In particular, the output of the 12V DC regulator (IC403) ought to look nice and stable, as the regulator should smooth out whatever makes it past the filter capacitor. Obligatory safety note: be very careful and don't work alone, these things have some nasty voltages inside them (including that 125V DC power supply output). I highly recommend the safety guidelines at https://www.repairfaq.org/sam/monfaq.htm#montrbs Rayner -- Big-8 Management Board: https://www.big-8.org Homepage: http://magic-cookie.co.uk thanks for all your efforts Rayner. I am using a 1:1 isolation transformer when I power up the monitor and I do have an oscope. Ill test the PSU although the lines are many more than two.. maybe 7-8 drifting to the bottom of the screen. Thing is that there are brand new caps everywhere. I read around the internet and there was this thread and just one more guy with same monitor, same issue. He told me on eab boards via private message that his monitor is with an expert at the moment. it definetely looks like some harmonic but my knowledge in CRTs is very little at the moment - learning every day. |
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Commodore 1084S monitor
In article ,
says... thanks for all your efforts Rayner. I am using a 1:1 isolation transformer when I power up the monitor and I do have an oscope. Ill test the PSU although the lines are many more than two.. maybe 7-8 drifting to the bottom of the screen. Thing is that there are brand new caps everywhere. I read around the internet and there was this thread and just one more guy with same monitor, same issue. He told me on eab boards via private message that his monitor is with an expert at the moment. it definetely looks like some harmonic but my knowledge in CRTs is very little at the moment - learning every day. Okay, if there are 7-8 lines it's not mains frequency. I'd say it's still worth checking the PSU output voltages for stability, though - it will help to know whether you can rule that section out or not. The number of horizontal lines suggests the unwanted oscillation has a 350 - 400Hz component, which might be a helpful clue. If investigating the PSU doesn't reveal anything, here's how I'd look at it. You've got a scope and a schematic annotated with expected voltages and waveforms. The problem shows up on the display, therefore it must be present among the signals and voltages that go to the CRT and deflection yoke. If you can figure out which one(s), you can then trace it back to the origin from there. It seems highly unlikely to be anything to do with the EHT or the focus grid voltage, which is good because those are the ones I'd least like to be messing with. It doesn't look much like a deflection problem either, as from the pictures on the edaboard thread I can't see any actual distortion to the image on screen. As far as I can see, that mostly just leaves the: +12V line +125V line -20V line RGB signal lines going to the CRT neck board as the likely candidates. The safety guidelines at https://www.repairfaq.org/sam/monfaq.htm#montrbs include some advice for staying safe when investigating a running monitor; I particularly recommend the bit about only ever connecting/disconnecting test leads when the monitor is unpowered and unplugged. Let us know if you manage to narrow it down. Rayner -- Big-8 Management Board: https://www.big-8.org Homepage: http://magic-cookie.co.uk |
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