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Hi all,

Say I wanted to buy the most reliable new compact car on the market
right now, the one least likely to ever break down on me in the
future, what would it be?

cheers,

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right now, the one least likely to ever break down on me in the
future, what would it be?

cheers,

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But only one from inland Texas.

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How high is "UP"?

About any vehicle above a minimum standard will last, effectively forever with proper maintenance and appropriate driving techniques.

As you are specifying current production by implication, and are not focused just on cost, I suggest you start with the Toyota Prius family, then look at various of the Hyundai family.

All of which get good reports, and Hyundai has its very long warranty.

Then, there is the entire Subaru family - if AWD is an attractant.

With proper care-and-feeding, you should get a reliable 200,000 miles (322,000 km) out of any of them.

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Say I wanted to buy the most reliable new compact car on the market
right now, the one least likely to ever break down on me in the
future, what would it be?

I've had fantastic luck with Toyota and Honda. I am driving a Honda Civic
hybrid now with over 160K miles on it. Other than standard maintenance, the
only thing needing service was the hybrid battery, covered under
manufacturer's warranty.

We are still running our 2000 Toyota Sienna van with 250K miles. The
plastic door handles are crumbling, and new old stock replacement handles
can be had, but they are also deteriorated, so there's no point in it.
The only service on that one, other than normal stuff (tires, brakes,
battery) is a radiator that I can chalk up to a deer collision years before.

Before that, I had a Toyota Corolla stick shift station wagon that I kept
for 19 years! I got at least 160K miles out of that one, and it was still
running after 2 accidents, when we decided to retire it.

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But only one from inland Texas.

Peter Wieck
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They don't salt the roads in the winter there?

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In article , elson@pico-
systems.com says...

About any vehicle above a minimum standard will last, effectively forever
with proper maintenance and appropriate driving techniques.

Well, we had several "US label" cars that needed a lot of work, both under
warranty and after warranty expiration. Stuff like engine block water
leaks, AC constantly leaking refrigerant, $3000 transmission overhauls, and
on and on, even before reaching 100K miles.




Some vehicles have known major problems. Like my son had a Nissan
Rouge. The transmission went out at around 135,000 miles and cost him
$ 4000 to replace. Turns out that transmission was known to go bad in
many of them and the company had extended the warrenty to 120,000 miles.
That did not help my son.

I have only bought Toyotas for the last 30 years. Other than normal
wear items like brakes and tires and batteries and scheduled maintence
my 1991 needed a $ 500 sensor at 130,000 miles. Sold it off at slightly
over 190,000 miles with no other problems.

I would never buy anything but a Toyota or Honda unless I needed a full
size truck or some other thing they did not make.
I have had reports that KIA is also good,but not sure.

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On 7/30/20 1:36 PM, Martin James Smith wrote:
Hi all,

Say I wanted to buy the most reliable new compact car on the market
right now, the one least likely to ever break down on me in the
future, what would it be?

cheers,

MS


A 1965 Chevrolet 1/2 ton 6' bed pickup truck.


I've owned a Toyota pickup truck (18R engine), Corolla, Celica, an 89
Acura Integra, and I'm driving a 2001 Civic Ex. I thought they were all
great: reliable, low smog, good power and mileage, decent handling, low
maintenance, no surprises or egregious design flaws, and I could do most
of the work on them myself. I guess I would say Honda or Acura, and then
Toyota coming in a very close second.

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cheers,

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Say I wanted to buy the most reliable new compact car on the market
right now, the one least likely to ever break down on me in the
future, what would it be?

cheers,

MS


Is "reliablest" even a word?


How is the Lada doing these days? I recall when everyone was talking
about the little Russian car...

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right now, the one least likely to ever break down on me in the
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Is "reliablest" even a word?


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Say I wanted to buy the most reliable new compact car on the market
right now, the one least likely to ever break down on me in the
future, what would it be?


These new folk, perhaps?

https://www.axios.com/kandi-model-k2...40cb89732.html
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It would be for oldtubeguy.
But he'd have to find a pair of shoelaces first.


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On 2020/07/31 11:59 a.m., Terry Schwartz wrote:
On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 1:36:58 PM UTC-5, Martin James Smith wrote:
Hi all,

Say I wanted to buy the most reliable new compact car on the market
right now, the one least likely to ever break down on me in the
future, what would it be?

cheers,

MS


Is "reliablest" even a word?


How is the Lada doing these days? I recall when everyone was talking
about the little Russian car...

John ;-#)#


**Well, Lada copied Fiat (under licence, I believe), so, that answers
that question. The Italians are renowned for building the least reliable
cars and the Russians made them worse.

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**Well, Lada copied Fiat (under licence, I believe), so, that answers
that question. The Italians are renowned for building the least reliable
cars and the Russians made them worse.


During the latter part of the 1980s I worked with a group of guys who
all drove Ladas, loved 'em to bits and would not hear a bad word said
about them. So each to their own, I guess. I never met anyone who ever
owned a Wartburg, though. I'd imagine they were a tougher proposition
to defend, but I'll wager there are folk out there who're just as
passionate about even those old bangers.



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On 2020/07/31 11:59 a.m., Terry Schwartz wrote:
On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 1:36:58 PM UTC-5, Martin James Smith wrote:
Hi all,

Say I wanted to buy the most reliable new compact car on the market
right now, the one least likely to ever break down on me in the
future, what would it be?

cheers,

MS

Is "reliablest" even a word?


How is the Lada doing these days? I recall when everyone was talking
about the little Russian car...

John ;-#)#


**Well, Lada copied Fiat (under licence, I believe), so, that answers
that question. The Italians are renowned for building the least reliable
cars and the Russians made them worse.

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LOL I never owned an Italian car and there aren't all that many here in the States either. My dad spent some time in England during WWII while on leave, and he always said the English loved the Italian cars even though they hated the Italians.

The only car I can recall that was truly a rolling toilet was the Yugos imported to the States during the '80s.

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On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 1:19:23 AM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
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On 2020/07/31 11:59 a.m., Terry Schwartz wrote:
On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 1:36:58 PM UTC-5, Martin James Smith wrote:
Hi all,

Say I wanted to buy the most reliable new compact car on the market
right now, the one least likely to ever break down on me in the
future, what would it be?

cheers,

MS

Is "reliablest" even a word?


How is the Lada doing these days? I recall when everyone was talking
about the little Russian car...

John ;-#)#


**Well, Lada copied Fiat (under licence, I believe), so, that answers
that question. The Italians are renowned for building the least reliable
cars and the Russians made them worse.

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LOL I never owned an Italian car and there aren't all that many here in the States either. My dad spent some time in England during WWII while on leave, and he always said the English loved the Italian cars even though they hated the Italians.

The only car I can recall that was truly a rolling toilet was the Yugos imported to the States during the '80s.


The Italians are probably the only remaining country who still haven't
managed to produce reliable cars.
In the past, there were several countries that had quite a bad reputation,
e.g. cars from France would appear to be nice but would always rust very
quickly and their technical gadgets would be unreliable.

But that has changed. My French (Peugeot) car is now 16 years old and
it does not rust and is reliable.

However, Italian cars still are a disaster even today.


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The only car I can recall that was truly a rolling toilet was the Yugos
imported to the States during the '80s.


Or, to quote from the movie Dragnet, 1988:

Joe Friday: After losing the two previous vehicles we had been
issued, the only car the department was willing to release to
us at this point was an unmarked 1987 Yugo, a Yugoslavian import
donated to the department as a test vehicle by the government
of that country and reflecting the cutting edge of Serbo-Croatian
technology.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092925/quotes/


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On 2020/07/31 11:59 a.m., Terry Schwartz wrote:
On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 1:36:58 PM UTC-5, Martin James Smith wrote:
Hi all,

Say I wanted to buy the most reliable new compact car on the market
right now, the one least likely to ever break down on me in the
future, what would it be?

cheers,

MS


Is "reliablest" even a word?


How is the Lada doing these days? I recall when everyone was talking
about the little Russian car...

John ;-#)#

When I was in Iceland in 2000, there were quite a few Ladas on the
road plus Lada Nivas (a sturdy 4 wheel drive jeep-like vehicle.) A
documentarian,who filmed on the country's glaciers, claimed they were
far more reliable than Jeeps.
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On 2020/07/31 11:59 a.m., Terry Schwartz wrote:
On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 1:36:58 PM UTC-5, Martin James Smith wrote:
Hi all,

Say I wanted to buy the most reliable new compact car on the market
right now, the one least likely to ever break down on me in the
future, what would it be?

cheers,

MS

Is "reliablest" even a word?


How is the Lada doing these days? I recall when everyone was talking
about the little Russian car...

John ;-#)#

When I was in Iceland in 2000, there were quite a few Ladas on the
road plus Lada Nivas (a sturdy 4 wheel drive jeep-like vehicle.) A
documentarian,who filmed on the country's glaciers, claimed they were
far more reliable than Jeeps.


**Yeah, well, that doesn't mean much. Jeeps are always at or near the
bottom of the list in reliability surveys. They often swap positions
with Fiat and Alfa.

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On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:14:41 -0700, John Robertson
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On 2020/07/31 11:59 a.m., Terry Schwartz wrote:
On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 1:36:58 PM UTC-5, Martin James Smith
wrote:
Hi all,

Say I wanted to buy the most reliable new compact car on the market
right now, the one least likely to ever break down on me in the
future, what would it be?

cheers,

MS

Is "reliablest" even a word?


How is the Lada doing these days? I recall when everyone was talking
about the little Russian car...

John ;-#)#

When I was in Iceland in 2000, there were quite a few Ladas on the
road plus Lada Nivas (a sturdy 4 wheel drive jeep-like vehicle.) A
documentarian,who filmed on the country's glaciers, claimed they were
far more reliable than Jeeps.


**Yeah, well, that doesn't mean much. Jeeps are always at or near the
bottom of the list in reliability surveys. They often swap positions
with Fiat and Alfa.


Well, now that FIAT owns Chrysler who owns Jeep, some Jeeps (I believe
the Renegade in the US market) are MADE by FIAT, - in Italy, and shares
a platform with one of the FIAT 500 SUV's, so why wouldn't Jeep be right
up there with FIAT?

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On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 1:36:58 PM UTC-5, Martin James Smith
wrote:
Hi all,

Say I wanted to buy the most reliable new compact car on the market
right now, the one least likely to ever break down on me in the
future, what would it be?

cheers,

MS

Is "reliablest" even a word?


How is the Lada doing these days? I recall when everyone was talking
about the little Russian car...

John ;-#)#
When I was in Iceland in 2000, there were quite a few Ladas on the
road plus Lada Nivas (a sturdy 4 wheel drive jeep-like vehicle.) A
documentarian,who filmed on the country's glaciers, claimed they were
far more reliable than Jeeps.


**Yeah, well, that doesn't mean much. Jeeps are always at or near the
bottom of the list in reliability surveys. They often swap positions
with Fiat and Alfa.


Well, now that FIAT owns Chrysler who owns Jeep, some Jeeps (I believe
the Renegade in the US market) are MADE by FIAT,Â* - in Italy, and shares
a platform with one of the FIAT 500 SUV's, so why wouldn't Jeep be right
up there with FIAT?


**It is DOWN there with Fiat and Alfa.

[Aside] A lot of Toyota Landcruisers have stickers on their rear windows
that read:

'Jeep recovery vehicle'




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On 2020/07/31 11:59 a.m., Terry Schwartz wrote:
On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 1:36:58 PM UTC-5, Martin James Smith
wrote:
Hi all,

Say I wanted to buy the most reliable new compact car on the market
right now, the one least likely to ever break down on me in the
future, what would it be?

cheers,

MS

Is "reliablest" even a word?


How is the Lada doing these days? I recall when everyone was talking
about the little Russian car...

John ;-#)#
When I was in Iceland in 2000, there were quite a few Ladas on the
road plus Lada Nivas (a sturdy 4 wheel drive jeep-like vehicle.) A
documentarian,who filmed on the country's glaciers, claimed they were
far more reliable than Jeeps.


**Yeah, well, that doesn't mean much. Jeeps are always at or near the
bottom of the list in reliability surveys. They often swap positions
with Fiat and Alfa.


Well, now that FIAT owns Chrysler who owns Jeep, some Jeeps (I believe
the Renegade in the US market) are MADE by FIAT,Â* - in Italy, and shares
a platform with one of the FIAT 500 SUV's, so why wouldn't Jeep be right
up there with FIAT?


**It is DOWN there with Fiat and Alfa.

[Aside] A lot of Toyota Landcruisers have stickers on their rear windows
that read:

'Jeep recovery vehicle'





Our homeowner's association actually banned Landcruisers from our development. The sound of those things rusting in the night was keeping babies from sleeping through the night and suspected of poisoning ground water.

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Our homeowner's association actually banned Landcruisers from our development. The sound of those things rusting in the night was keeping babies from sleeping through the night and suspected of poisoning ground water.

Sound of rusting?
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Our homeowner's association actually banned Landcruisers from our
development. The sound of those things rusting in the night was
keeping babies from sleeping through the night and suspected of
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Sound of rusting?


Trump's tweets... (couldn't resist - and now I'm in for it!)

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Our homeowner's association actually banned Landcruisers from our development. The sound of those things rusting in the night was keeping babies from sleeping through the night and suspected of poisoning ground water.

Sound of rusting?


It was a humorous remark, Pimpom (I L'dOL anyway):-)
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Say I wanted to buy the most reliable new compact car on the market
right now, the one least likely to ever break down on me in the
future, what would it be?

cheers,

MS


Is "reliablest" even a word?


Only in N. America - the country that invented the ghastly "normalcy"
in place of *normality* for no compelling reason whatsoever.


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On 2020/07/31 11:59 a.m., Terry Schwartz wrote:
On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 1:36:58 PM UTC-5, Martin James Smith
wrote:
Hi all,

Say I wanted to buy the most reliable new compact car on the market
right now, the one least likely to ever break down on me in the
future, what would it be?

cheers,

MS

Is "reliablest" even a word?


How is the Lada doing these days? I recall when everyone was talking
about the little Russian car...

John ;-#)#
When I was in Iceland in 2000, there were quite a few Ladas on the
road plus Lada Nivas (a sturdy 4 wheel drive jeep-like vehicle.) A
documentarian,who filmed on the country's glaciers, claimed they were
far more reliable than Jeeps.


**Yeah, well, that doesn't mean much. Jeeps are always at or near the
bottom of the list in reliability surveys. They often swap positions
with Fiat and Alfa.


Well, now that FIAT owns Chrysler who owns Jeep, some Jeeps (I believe
the Renegade in the US market) are MADE by FIAT,Â* - in Italy, and shares
a platform with one of the FIAT 500 SUV's, so why wouldn't Jeep be right
up there with FIAT?


**It is DOWN there with Fiat and Alfa.

[Aside] A lot of Toyota Landcruisers have stickers on their rear windows
that read:

'Jeep recovery vehicle'





Our homeowner's association actually banned Landcruisers from our development. The sound of those things rusting in the night was keeping babies from sleeping through the night and suspected of poisoning ground water.


**Never seen a rusty Landcruiser. My next door neighbour sold his when
it was around 15 years old. It was kept outdoors for it's entire life.
We live on a (sal****er) river. No rust. Japanese cars don't rust (for
the most part). You're thinking of European cars. They rust.

That said: I hate Landcruisers. They are nonsensically huge and heavy.
The have no place on city roads.

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Say I wanted to buy the most reliable new compact car on the market
right now, the one least likely to ever break down on me in the
future, what would it be?

cheers,

MS


Is "reliablest" even a word?


Only in N. America - the country that invented the ghastly "normalcy"
in place of *normality* for no compelling reason whatsoever.


**Oh, my favourite US idiocy is: 'anesthesiologist'.

And, don't get me started on: 'burglarize' or 'aluminum'.



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On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 1:36:58 PM UTC-5, Martin James Smith wrote:
Hi all,

Say I wanted to buy the most reliable new compact car on the market
right now, the one least likely to ever break down on me in the
future, what would it be?

cheers,

MS

Is "reliablest" even a word?


Only in N. America - the country that invented the ghastly "normalcy"
in place of *normality* for no compelling reason whatsoever.


**Oh, my favourite US idiocy is: 'anesthesiologist'.

And, don't get me started on: 'burglarize' or 'aluminum'.


Aloominum they say. And "nucular" - Dubya in particular made me
shudder when he said that.






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On 3/08/2020 9:41 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 07:01:13 +1000, Trevor Wilson
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On 3/08/2020 2:58 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:59:21 -0700 (PDT), Terry Schwartz
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On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 1:36:58 PM UTC-5, Martin James Smith wrote:
Hi all,

Say I wanted to buy the most reliable new compact car on the market
right now, the one least likely to ever break down on me in the
future, what would it be?

cheers,

MS

Is "reliablest" even a word?

Only in N. America - the country that invented the ghastly "normalcy"
in place of *normality* for no compelling reason whatsoever.


**Oh, my favourite US idiocy is: 'anesthesiologist'.

And, don't get me started on: 'burglarize' or 'aluminum'.


Aloominum they say. And "nucular" - Dubya in particular made me
shudder when he said that.


**There is no excuse for not pronouncing nuclear correctly, since
Americans do manage to spell the word correctly.



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Japanese cars don't rust (for
the most part). You're thinking of European cars. They rust.



Saying Japanese cars don't rust is equivalent to saying the earth is flat, and Toyotas are by far the worst of the bunch.

Google Tacoma frame rot. The entire frame must be replaced.
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On 3/8/20 7:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 3/08/2020 2:58 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:59:21 -0700 (PDT), Terry Schwartz
wrote:

On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 1:36:58 PM UTC-5, Martin James Smith
wrote:
Hi all,

Say I wanted to buy the most reliable new compact car on the market
right now, the one least likely to ever break down on me in the
future, what would it be?

cheers,

MS

Is "reliablest" even a word?


Only in N. America - the country that invented the ghastly "normalcy"
in place of *normality* for no compelling reason whatsoever.


**Oh, my favourite US idiocy is: 'anesthesiologist'.

And, don't get me started on: 'burglarize' or 'aluminum'.


Sorry, but the British used to call it Alumimum too - the original name
- before deciding to change it to make it consistent with the other metals.

Which is more correct?

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On 3/08/2020 11:35 am, John-Del wrote:
On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 4:57:44 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
Japanese cars don't rust (for
the most part). You're thinking of European cars. They rust.



Saying Japanese cars don't rust is equivalent to saying the earth is flat, and Toyotas are by far the worst of the bunch.

Google Tacoma frame rot. The entire frame must be replaced.


**Typical American crap construction. The Tocoma was not a Japanese
vehicle.

Clearly Toyota should have been taking more care with their American
workers.

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And, don't get me started on: 'burglarize' or 'aluminum'.


Sorry, but the British used to call it Alumimum too - the original name
- before deciding to change it to make it consistent with the other metals.


Eyup. Metals should end in "ium". Like chromium, thorium,
uranium, iron, copper, manganese...

Oooops.


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