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causes of TV shadow mask damage
I have recently purchased a Sharp SX76NF100 76 cm pure flat screen TV. This
TV has been refurbished by Sharp but it came with 12 months warranty. The visible damages are on the cabinet (outer casing of the TV). These are long scatches but they do not extend onto the screen itself. After 6 weeks of flawless operation, all of a sudden, on one morning, after turning on TV, I noticed severe colour distortion. I originally thought it must have problems with antennas. I switched on DVD player and put the TV on AV. The same problem remained. Then I switched off the DVD player completely and the screen is supposed to go black. However, I noticed big red dot in the middle of the screen, with blue colour circling the red dot, which is in turn encircled by yellow circle. I immediately took the TV to a Sharp Repair centre and after much haggling with Sharp, I was advised that the symptom is a manifestation of damaged shadow mask, and it is not covered by manufacturer's warranty. Specficially, I was advised that damage to shadow mask could only come about with a strong impact. Since I advised Sharp that when I originally bought the TV, it was in working order. Sharp surmised that I must have somehow dropped the TV which caused the impact, and as such rejected the warranty request. Now my problem is that I had never so much as moved the TV (which is about 50 KGs). It had been sitting on the TV stand since I bought it. I am wondering if anyone here knows if there are any other reasons that shadow mask could be damaged or any other problems that could cause the colour distortions I mentioned earlier. Thanks in advance CW |
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A couple of possibilities:
1) Mis-diagnosed shadow mask damage, problem in degaussing circuit or with environmental magnetic field. 2) Problem started as a degaussing problem and you damaged the shadow mask when bringing it to the shop. It is unlikely that a shadow mask was damaged unless the set was moved or dropped. From the description, I would guess a bad diagnosis. Typically, shadow mask damage is not uniform nor circular. Usually one support will detach and you get a weird ripple in the colors from a point on the side or corner of the CRT. What you describe is much more like a degaussing circuit that is malfunctioning. I'd have it diagnosed by another Sharp ASC. Leonard "CW" wrote in message ... I have recently purchased a Sharp SX76NF100 76 cm pure flat screen TV. This TV has been refurbished by Sharp but it came with 12 months warranty. The visible damages are on the cabinet (outer casing of the TV). These are long scatches but they do not extend onto the screen itself. After 6 weeks of flawless operation, all of a sudden, on one morning, after turning on TV, I noticed severe colour distortion. I originally thought it must have problems with antennas. I switched on DVD player and put the TV on AV. The same problem remained. Then I switched off the DVD player completely and the screen is supposed to go black. However, I noticed big red dot in the middle of the screen, with blue colour circling the red dot, which is in turn encircled by yellow circle. I immediately took the TV to a Sharp Repair centre and after much haggling with Sharp, I was advised that the symptom is a manifestation of damaged shadow mask, and it is not covered by manufacturer's warranty. Specficially, I was advised that damage to shadow mask could only come about with a strong impact. Since I advised Sharp that when I originally bought the TV, it was in working order. Sharp surmised that I must have somehow dropped the TV which caused the impact, and as such rejected the warranty request. Now my problem is that I had never so much as moved the TV (which is about 50 KGs). It had been sitting on the TV stand since I bought it. I am wondering if anyone here knows if there are any other reasons that shadow mask could be damaged or any other problems that could cause the colour distortions I mentioned earlier. Thanks in advance CW |
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"Leonard Caillouet" writes:
A couple of possibilities: 1) Mis-diagnosed shadow mask damage, problem in degaussing circuit or with environmental magnetic field. 2) Problem started as a degaussing problem and you damaged the shadow mask when bringing it to the shop. It is unlikely that a shadow mask was damaged unless the set was moved or dropped. From the description, I would guess a bad diagnosis. Typically, shadow mask damage is not uniform nor circular. Usually one support will detach and you get a weird ripple in the colors from a point on the side or corner of the CRT. What you describe is much more like a degaussing circuit that is malfunctioning. I'd have it diagnosed by another Sharp ASC. Agreed. They (the Sharp rep or whoever) may have just concluded that there was damage since the case had those scratches. It would be a simple matter to manually degauss it with power on to determine if the shadow mask is undamaged. --- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ Mirror: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/ Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/sam/lasersam.htm | Mirror Sites: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/REPAIR/F_mirror.html Note: These links are hopefully temporary until we can sort out the excessive traffic on Repairfaq.org. Important: Anything sent to the email address in the message header is ignored. To contact me, please use the feedback form on the S.E.R FAQ Web sites. Leonard "CW" wrote in message ... I have recently purchased a Sharp SX76NF100 76 cm pure flat screen TV. This TV has been refurbished by Sharp but it came with 12 months warranty. The visible damages are on the cabinet (outer casing of the TV). These are long scatches but they do not extend onto the screen itself. After 6 weeks of flawless operation, all of a sudden, on one morning, after turning on TV, I noticed severe colour distortion. I originally thought it must have problems with antennas. I switched on DVD player and put the TV on AV. The same problem remained. Then I switched off the DVD player completely and the screen is supposed to go black. However, I noticed big red dot in the middle of the screen, with blue colour circling the red dot, which is in turn encircled by yellow circle. I immediately took the TV to a Sharp Repair centre and after much haggling with Sharp, I was advised that the symptom is a manifestation of damaged shadow mask, and it is not covered by manufacturer's warranty. Specficially, I was advised that damage to shadow mask could only come about with a strong impact. Since I advised Sharp that when I originally bought the TV, it was in working order. Sharp surmised that I must have somehow dropped the TV which caused the impact, and as such rejected the warranty request. Now my problem is that I had never so much as moved the TV (which is about 50 KGs). It had been sitting on the TV stand since I bought it. I am wondering if anyone here knows if there are any other reasons that shadow mask could be damaged or any other problems that could cause the colour distortions I mentioned earlier. Thanks in advance CW |
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Guys, thanks for the help.
"Sam Goldwasser" wrote in message ... "Leonard Caillouet" writes: A couple of possibilities: 1) Mis-diagnosed shadow mask damage, problem in degaussing circuit or with environmental magnetic field. 2) Problem started as a degaussing problem and you damaged the shadow mask when bringing it to the shop. It is unlikely that a shadow mask was damaged unless the set was moved or dropped. From the description, I would guess a bad diagnosis. Typically, shadow mask damage is not uniform nor circular. Usually one support will detach and you get a weird ripple in the colors from a point on the side or corner of the CRT. What you describe is much more like a degaussing circuit that is malfunctioning. I'd have it diagnosed by another Sharp ASC. Agreed. They (the Sharp rep or whoever) may have just concluded that there was damage since the case had those scratches. It would be a simple matter to manually degauss it with power on to determine if the shadow mask is undamaged. --- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ Mirror: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/ Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/sam/lasersam.htm | Mirror Sites: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/REPAIR/F_mirror.html Note: These links are hopefully temporary until we can sort out the excessive traffic on Repairfaq.org. Important: Anything sent to the email address in the message header is ignored. To contact me, please use the feedback form on the S.E.R FAQ Web sites. Leonard "CW" wrote in message ... I have recently purchased a Sharp SX76NF100 76 cm pure flat screen TV. This TV has been refurbished by Sharp but it came with 12 months warranty. The visible damages are on the cabinet (outer casing of the TV). These are long scatches but they do not extend onto the screen itself. After 6 weeks of flawless operation, all of a sudden, on one morning, after turning on TV, I noticed severe colour distortion. I originally thought it must have problems with antennas. I switched on DVD player and put the TV on AV. The same problem remained. Then I switched off the DVD player completely and the screen is supposed to go black. However, I noticed big red dot in the middle of the screen, with blue colour circling the red dot, which is in turn encircled by yellow circle. I immediately took the TV to a Sharp Repair centre and after much haggling with Sharp, I was advised that the symptom is a manifestation of damaged shadow mask, and it is not covered by manufacturer's warranty. Specficially, I was advised that damage to shadow mask could only come about with a strong impact. Since I advised Sharp that when I originally bought the TV, it was in working order. Sharp surmised that I must have somehow dropped the TV which caused the impact, and as such rejected the warranty request. Now my problem is that I had never so much as moved the TV (which is about 50 KGs). It had been sitting on the TV stand since I bought it. I am wondering if anyone here knows if there are any other reasons that shadow mask could be damaged or any other problems that could cause the colour distortions I mentioned earlier. Thanks in advance CW |
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To my perception and experience, your suggestions are very accurate! I would
take the set back, and ask them to use a manual degaussing coil on the set. If this works, tell them to fix the degaussing circuit. If not, then they are right that the shadowmask is broken. When buying a used set, you have no idea of how it was handled before, even though the picture at the time looked okay to you. I have seen the shadowmask go bad in tubes where the set was not abused. All it takes is one of the support wires to go bad. These wires are under tension, and can break on their own, even though it is rare. I may have seen this only a small number of times, but I have seen a lot of sets. Personally, from what I have seen, I would never buy a re-furbished appliance or device of any type that has value. Since I used to be working in that part of the business, I can bring up many reasons, and tell many aspects of what happens with most of the refurbishing contracts. This can be a long topic in itself. Very few of the refurbishes are properly servicing the sets, and having them resent out again in proper working order. -- Jerry G. ========================== "Leonard Caillouet" wrote in message news:NCkWc.8029$L94.4491@fed1read07... A couple of possibilities: 1) Mis-diagnosed shadow mask damage, problem in degaussing circuit or with environmental magnetic field. 2) Problem started as a degaussing problem and you damaged the shadow mask when bringing it to the shop. It is unlikely that a shadow mask was damaged unless the set was moved or dropped. From the description, I would guess a bad diagnosis. Typically, shadow mask damage is not uniform nor circular. Usually one support will detach and you get a weird ripple in the colors from a point on the side or corner of the CRT. What you describe is much more like a degaussing circuit that is malfunctioning. I'd have it diagnosed by another Sharp ASC. Leonard "CW" wrote in message ... I have recently purchased a Sharp SX76NF100 76 cm pure flat screen TV. This TV has been refurbished by Sharp but it came with 12 months warranty. The visible damages are on the cabinet (outer casing of the TV). These are long scatches but they do not extend onto the screen itself. After 6 weeks of flawless operation, all of a sudden, on one morning, after turning on TV, I noticed severe colour distortion. I originally thought it must have problems with antennas. I switched on DVD player and put the TV on AV. The same problem remained. Then I switched off the DVD player completely and the screen is supposed to go black. However, I noticed big red dot in the middle of the screen, with blue colour circling the red dot, which is in turn encircled by yellow circle. I immediately took the TV to a Sharp Repair centre and after much haggling with Sharp, I was advised that the symptom is a manifestation of damaged shadow mask, and it is not covered by manufacturer's warranty. Specficially, I was advised that damage to shadow mask could only come about with a strong impact. Since I advised Sharp that when I originally bought the TV, it was in working order. Sharp surmised that I must have somehow dropped the TV which caused the impact, and as such rejected the warranty request. Now my problem is that I had never so much as moved the TV (which is about 50 KGs). It had been sitting on the TV stand since I bought it. I am wondering if anyone here knows if there are any other reasons that shadow mask could be damaged or any other problems that could cause the colour distortions I mentioned earlier. Thanks in advance CW |
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Is manual degaussing an option available to end user or must service centre
do the job? "Sam Goldwasser" wrote in message ... "Leonard Caillouet" writes: A couple of possibilities: 1) Mis-diagnosed shadow mask damage, problem in degaussing circuit or with environmental magnetic field. 2) Problem started as a degaussing problem and you damaged the shadow mask when bringing it to the shop. It is unlikely that a shadow mask was damaged unless the set was moved or dropped. From the description, I would guess a bad diagnosis. Typically, shadow mask damage is not uniform nor circular. Usually one support will detach and you get a weird ripple in the colors from a point on the side or corner of the CRT. What you describe is much more like a degaussing circuit that is malfunctioning. I'd have it diagnosed by another Sharp ASC. Agreed. They (the Sharp rep or whoever) may have just concluded that there was damage since the case had those scratches. It would be a simple matter to manually degauss it with power on to determine if the shadow mask is undamaged. --- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ Mirror: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/ Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/sam/lasersam.htm | Mirror Sites: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/REPAIR/F_mirror.html Note: These links are hopefully temporary until we can sort out the excessive traffic on Repairfaq.org. Important: Anything sent to the email address in the message header is ignored. To contact me, please use the feedback form on the S.E.R FAQ Web sites. Leonard "CW" wrote in message ... I have recently purchased a Sharp SX76NF100 76 cm pure flat screen TV. This TV has been refurbished by Sharp but it came with 12 months warranty. The visible damages are on the cabinet (outer casing of the TV). These are long scatches but they do not extend onto the screen itself. After 6 weeks of flawless operation, all of a sudden, on one morning, after turning on TV, I noticed severe colour distortion. I originally thought it must have problems with antennas. I switched on DVD player and put the TV on AV. The same problem remained. Then I switched off the DVD player completely and the screen is supposed to go black. However, I noticed big red dot in the middle of the screen, with blue colour circling the red dot, which is in turn encircled by yellow circle. I immediately took the TV to a Sharp Repair centre and after much haggling with Sharp, I was advised that the symptom is a manifestation of damaged shadow mask, and it is not covered by manufacturer's warranty. Specficially, I was advised that damage to shadow mask could only come about with a strong impact. Since I advised Sharp that when I originally bought the TV, it was in working order. Sharp surmised that I must have somehow dropped the TV which caused the impact, and as such rejected the warranty request. Now my problem is that I had never so much as moved the TV (which is about 50 KGs). It had been sitting on the TV stand since I bought it. I am wondering if anyone here knows if there are any other reasons that shadow mask could be damaged or any other problems that could cause the colour distortions I mentioned earlier. Thanks in advance CW |
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"CW" writes:
Is manual degaussing an option available to end user or must service centre do the job? There are many ways to do it but if the internal degauss circuit is faulty, it's not a long term solution. See: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/sam/crtfaq.htm#crtmdg --- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ Mirror: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/ Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/sam/lasersam.htm | Mirror Sites: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/REPAIR/F_mirror.html Note: These links are hopefully temporary until we can sort out the excessive traffic on Repairfaq.org. Important: Anything sent to the email address in the message header is ignored. To contact me, please use the feedback form on the S.E.R FAQ Web sites. |
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Hi!
I bought a Magnavox 19" table top TV set in very similar condition to your set...it has a large "crink" in the casing at the upper left of the tube. The case isn't shattered or even broken, it's just compressed. I guess the thing took quite a fall and when I was considering buying it, the picture was all purple. The price was right, and the reseller offered a four year guarantee that made the total just shy of what a new in the box set would have cost. I bought the set and still use it daily. Going over the screen with a tape head demagnetizer (all I had at the time) brought back perfect color. It appears that the set's built in degaussing coil is not working. Every now and then the picture will start to discolor, especially after I've moved my TV cart around. I just take a few minutes to degauss it once again and all is well. After 6 weeks of flawless operation, all of a sudden, on one morning, after turning on TV, I noticed severe colour distortion. I originally thought it must have problems with antennas. I switched on DVD player and put the TV on AV. The same problem remained. Then I switched off the DVD player completely and the screen is supposed to go black. However, I noticed big red dot in the middle of the screen, with blue colour circling the red dot, which is in turn encircled by yellow circle. I wouldn't think that the tube could suddenly be damaged like that, especially if it hasn't seen any more abuse since you bought it. You might have a chance that like mine, your TV's built in degaussing coil has failed to work. You might try getting ahold of a degaussing tool somewhere and trying it. You might get lucky and the set will be fine. William |
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