On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:06:36 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 2019-10-14 1:34 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:24:38 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 2019-10-14 10:33 a.m., J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 23:25:27 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Paul in Houston TX
writes:
Ken Blake wrote:
[]
Each to his own. Mice are very cheap these days. I wouldn't dream of
spending 20 minutes, the cost of new microswitches, soldering iron,
and solder to save $20 or so for a new mouse.

That's assuming the model the OP likes is still available; I think he
thought it wasn't, but someone here found them.


No, to me, it would hardly matter whether it was still available. If
my mouse died, and was no longer available, I'd find another one that
was close enough to the old one, so I would like it just as much. I
might even find a new one I liked more.

As an example of what I mean, earlier this year I used a* Logitech
M500 mouse which I liked very much. If it died, I would have replaced
it with the same model, if it was still available. But then I was at
someone's office and he was using an Anker 2.4G Wireless Vertical
Ergonomic Optical Mouse. I tried it at his office and immediately
liked it better than my Logitech, so I ordered one from Amazon ($20).
It's now my favorite; I no longer use the Logitech.

(You must be right-handed.)

Mice are no different from most other things. Newer models are usually
better than older ones.

So you're a replacer. Some of us see fixing things as a challenge - and
one we enjoy, to some extent; there's great satisfaction, for us, in
returning something to working order, especially if the fix was
something trivial (especially if it wasn't obvious).

I don't deny that there comes a point where further effort is no longer
enjoyable, and I just replace; that point varies depending on lots of
things - the cost of the item, how much I like it anyway, my mood, and
my age (I'm giving up sooner, or not starting at all, more as I age). If
there's something, the use of which frustrates me, and it fails, I'll be
delighted to have an excuse to replace it.

My whole life has been spent fixing things, 17 years as an Auto
mechanic, 30 years as a Power engineer, Boilers, air handlers, pumps and
fans plus many years concurrently as a sideline Doing radio, TV,
computer and all other electronic repairs.
So, Yeah, you might say I enjoy fixing things.


Leaving aside the enjoying fixing things, I envy your ability to do.
Sometimes fixing is the only choice, and I've never been good at it.


Coincidentally a couple days ago my son complained that his Logitech
M510 mouse was getting very stiff to turn the scroll wheel, naturally
out came the screwdriver set and 2 screws under the AA cells had it apart.
Well what I found was a pile of accumulated lint wrapped around the
shaft of the wheel, Cleanded it all out and added a small shot of
contact cleaner to the bearings and reassembled it and now it works like
new again.


I might not have succeeded, but that's the kind of thing I might have
tried to fix. I would have suspected lint, and if my suspicion was
right, fixing it would probably have been easy. And worst case, if I
failed, I'd just buy him a new one.


I think you probably would have succeeded, It was fairly straight
forward (no loose parts flying everywhere), Don't undersell yourself,
I'm 85 and can still do it.


We're almost the same age. I'm about to turn 82. But my thought that I
might not succeed is not based on my age. I've never been good at
working with my hands.

In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:39:12 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:
[]
A couple of minor netiquette matters: when you send someone an email as
well as posting to a newsgroup, it's considered polite to indicate
[]
I don't mind them doing so - as long as they _say_ they are doing so,
ideally as the first line!


I would certainly have minded less if they said so, but I would still
prefer that they didn't.
[]
You use Turnpike. I've never tried it and know nothing about. Might it
send an e-mail reply rather than a newsgroup reply without your
choosing to do so? I use Agent and it won't do that.

Well, never without my choosing; in theory I could accidentally send the
wrong one (the Followup and Reply buttons are adjacent), but I don't
think I've actually done that in several decades of using it. What it
won't do is send _both_ at once, as its designers felt strongly about
that - irritating as I _occasionally_ _want_ to.

which is why I like a warning just above the .sig line; one I
quite liked was someone who inserted dragon into the email address, and
ended with "emulate St. George to reply", or something like that.


If that's not exactly right, it's very close. I've also seen her
messages, in another newsgroup.

But she's inviting people to reply by e-mail, and with a very
occasional exception, I don't want to do that.

Well, s/he's not exactly inviting, just pointing out that if you _do_
decide to send an email, that her email is munged.
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

You make it from scratch?
Yep.
Do you make your own scratch?
--
"pyotr filipivich" in alt.windows7.general 2017-5-20

On 2019-10-14 4:45 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:06:36 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 2019-10-14 1:34 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:24:38 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 2019-10-14 10:33 a.m., J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 23:25:27 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Paul in Houston TX
writes:
Ken Blake wrote:
[]
Each to his own. Mice are very cheap these days. I wouldn't dream of
spending 20 minutes, the cost of new microswitches, soldering iron,
and solder to save $20 or so for a new mouse.

That's assuming the model the OP likes is still available; I think he
thought it wasn't, but someone here found them.


No, to me, it would hardly matter whether it was still available. If
my mouse died, and was no longer available, I'd find another one that
was close enough to the old one, so I would like it just as much. I
might even find a new one I liked more.

As an example of what I mean, earlier this year I used aÂ* Logitech
M500 mouse which I liked very much. If it died, I would have replaced
it with the same model, if it was still available. But then I was at
someone's office and he was using an Anker 2.4G Wireless Vertical
Ergonomic Optical Mouse. I tried it at his office and immediately
liked it better than my Logitech, so I ordered one from Amazon ($20).
It's now my favorite; I no longer use the Logitech.

(You must be right-handed.)

Mice are no different from most other things. Newer models are usually
better than older ones.

So you're a replacer. Some of us see fixing things as a challenge - and
one we enjoy, to some extent; there's great satisfaction, for us, in
returning something to working order, especially if the fix was
something trivial (especially if it wasn't obvious).

I don't deny that there comes a point where further effort is no longer
enjoyable, and I just replace; that point varies depending on lots of
things - the cost of the item, how much I like it anyway, my mood, and
my age (I'm giving up sooner, or not starting at all, more as I age). If
there's something, the use of which frustrates me, and it fails, I'll be
delighted to have an excuse to replace it.

My whole life has been spent fixing things, 17 years as an Auto
mechanic, 30 years as a Power engineer, Boilers, air handlers, pumps and
fans plus many years concurrently as a sideline Doing radio, TV,
computer and all other electronic repairs.
So, Yeah, you might say I enjoy fixing things.


Leaving aside the enjoying fixing things, I envy your ability to do.
Sometimes fixing is the only choice, and I've never been good at it.


Coincidentally a couple days ago my son complained that his Logitech
M510 mouse was getting very stiff to turn the scroll wheel, naturally
out came the screwdriver set and 2 screws under the AA cells had it apart.
Well what I found was a pile of accumulated lint wrapped around the
shaft of the wheel, Cleanded it all out and added a small shot of
contact cleaner to the bearings and reassembled it and now it works like
new again.


I might not have succeeded, but that's the kind of thing I might have
tried to fix. I would have suspected lint, and if my suspicion was
right, fixing it would probably have been easy. And worst case, if I
failed, I'd just buy him a new one.


I think you probably would have succeeded, It was fairly straight
forward (no loose parts flying everywhere), Don't undersell yourself,
I'm 85 and can still do it.


We're almost the same age. I'm about to turn 82. But my thought that I
might not succeed is not based on my age. I've never been good at
working with my hands.


Guess I'm lucky, my hands have been my living But my eye sight is ****
poor, born that way.

Rene

On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 22:56:39 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:39:12 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:
[]
A couple of minor netiquette matters: when you send someone an email as
well as posting to a newsgroup, it's considered polite to indicate
[]
I don't mind them doing so - as long as they _say_ they are doing so,
ideally as the first line!


I would certainly have minded less if they said so, but I would still
prefer that they didn't.
[]
You use Turnpike. I've never tried it and know nothing about. Might it
send an e-mail reply rather than a newsgroup reply without your
choosing to do so? I use Agent and it won't do that.

Well, never without my choosing; in theory I could accidentally send the
wrong one (the Followup and Reply buttons are adjacent), but I don't
think I've actually done that in several decades of using it.


The buttons are adjacent here too. I've occasionally done it
accidentally, but I've always caught it and fixed it before I pressed
Send. I use Outlook e-mail, not Agent's, so the Windows look very
different.


What it
won't do is send _both_ at once, as its designers felt strongly about
that - irritating as I _occasionally_ _want_ to.

which is why I like a warning just above the .sig line; one I
quite liked was someone who inserted dragon into the email address, and
ended with "emulate St. George to reply", or something like that.


If that's not exactly right, it's very close. I've also seen her
messages, in another newsgroup.

But she's inviting people to reply by e-mail, and with a very
occasional exception, I don't want to do that.

Well, s/he's


I'm almost sure it's a she, but I can't remember her name.


not exactly inviting, just pointing out that if you _do_
decide to send an email, that her email is munged.


I suppose it's technically not an invitation, but to me, telling the
reader how to do it is so close to an invitation that I have no
problem with calling it that.

It's sort of like, "If you want to send me a check, my address is ..."

On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 20:33:20 -0400, Paul wrote:

The IBM mouse above, the microswitches look "normal" sized to me.

Hi Paul,

Here are more pictures of that IBM mouse, which I'm still using now that I
refurbished it (although I had to glue a side stick on it to keep my
fingers away from the right mouse button since it's a poor design for huge
hands like I happen to have).

Anyway, here are the pictures I took when I disassembled it:
https://i.postimg.cc/YCnQTjyX/mouse01.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/4yPYtFD8/mouse02.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/XNsNfFZD/mouse03.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/mknG0YCL/mouse04.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/3whH5J4v/mouse05.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/fTXw6P21/mouse06.jpg

The tilted LED simply lights up the middle mouse button (AFAICR).

If you want, I can snap a photo of the side stick I glued on to make it
less error prone, where I learned that it's critical for a mouse to have a
landing space for your right-mouse finger to "rest" without being too close
ot the right mouse button itself.

On 10/14/19 9:27 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[snip]


A couple of minor netiquette matters: when you send someone an email as
well as posting to a newsgroup, it's considered polite to indicate
you're doing so - usually at the top of your post/email, such as by
saying "(posted and emailed)". This is because lots of people read their
email first, and reply to emails; if they then find the same thing has
been posted, they find themselves having to say the same thing again.

People doing that inappropriately (and not indicating it) is one reason
I stopped putting a valid email address in newsgroup postings.

On usenet, I use addresses ending in .invalid so its obvious its not a
real address.

Another suggestion is to read your posts before pressing 'send'. It
catches a lot of the weird typing and other errors.

[snip]

--
71 days until the winter celebration (Wed, Dec 25, 2019 12:00:00 AM for
1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Faith is a cop-out. It is intellectual bankruptcy. If the only way you
can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it
can't be taken on its own merits." -- Dan Barker

Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 10/14/19 9:27 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[snip]

A couple of minor netiquette matters: when you send someone an email as
well as posting to a newsgroup, it's considered polite to indicate
you're doing so - usually at the top of your post/email, such as by
saying "(posted and emailed)". This is because lots of people read their
email first, and reply to emails; if they then find the same thing has
been posted, they find themselves having to say the same thing again.

People doing that inappropriately (and not indicating it) is one reason
I stopped putting a valid email address in newsgroup postings.

On usenet, I use addresses ending in .invalid so its obvious its not a
real address.

Not only is it obvious, but it's the only proper/standard way to do
it, as .invalid is a standard-defined [1] top level domain (TLD), which
is guaranteed to never be used.

RFC-compliant 'mailers' (Mail User Agent (MUA)) will not even try to
send a message to an address with an .invalid TLD.

[1] RFC 2606 "Reserved Top Level DNS Names"
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2606.txt?number=2606

On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 17:57:51 -0700, MouseUser wrote:

My favorite mouse is acting up.
Buttons double-click on a single-click and sometimes do not click at
all.


Is it possible to do my own refurbishment ?
Yes, you can get replacement switches for the buttons, this is the
classic symptom of worn-out switches. It seems all the mice and
trackballs use essentially the same micro-switch, so you can salvage them
from other mice or buy from Digi-Key, Mouser or whoever your electronic
parts supplier is.

Jon

On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 3:04:43 PM UTC-4, Jon Elson wrote:
On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 17:57:51 -0700, MouseUser wrote:

My favorite mouse is acting up.
Buttons double-click on a single-click and sometimes do not click at
all.


try a 0.1uF across the switch contacts

m

On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 2:52:56 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 3:04:43 PM UTC-4, Jon Elson wrote:
On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 17:57:51 -0700, MouseUser wrote:

My favorite mouse is acting up.
Buttons double-click on a single-click and sometimes do not click at
all.


try a 0.1uF across the switch contacts

m

Why?

On Friday, October 25, 2019 at 9:39:40 AM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 2:52:56 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 3:04:43 PM UTC-4, Jon Elson wrote:
On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 17:57:51 -0700, MouseUser wrote:

My favorite mouse is acting up.
Buttons double-click on a single-click and sometimes do not click at
all.


try a 0.1uF across the switch contacts

m

Why?

the 0.1uF provides a crude de-bounce function and also the small arc helps keep the contacts clean.
m

On Friday, October 25, 2019 at 9:34:29 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Friday, October 25, 2019 at 9:39:40 AM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 2:52:56 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 3:04:43 PM UTC-4, Jon Elson wrote:
On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 17:57:51 -0700, MouseUser wrote:

My favorite mouse is acting up.
Buttons double-click on a single-click and sometimes do not click at
all.


try a 0.1uF across the switch contacts

m

Why?

the 0.1uF provides a crude de-bounce function and also the small arc helps keep the contacts clean.


I understand that, but it takes time for the capacitor to discharge. How slow of a mouse do you want? Just replace the worn out switches, and let the software in the Mouse controller take care of debounce.e.