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How do they put the flux in solder?
I have a box of 18 gauge solder that says it has 5 cores. Putting one
core in solder that thin seems impossible. and this has five. How do they make it? |
How do they put the flux in solder?
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How do they put the flux in solder?
On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 1:24:06 AM UTC-7, wrote:
I have a box of 18 gauge solder that says it has 5 cores. Putting one core in solder that thin seems impossible. and this has five. How do they make it? A lot like putting stripes on toothpaste, which is also clearly impossible. |
How do they put the flux in solder?
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How do they put the flux in solder?
On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 16:37:20 +0800, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 15/03/2019 4:24 pm, wrote: I have a box of 18 gauge solder that says it has 5 cores. Putting one core in solder that thin seems impossible. and this has five. How do they make it? Google "Extrusion" I don't actually know, but I'm wondering if it is done by starting with a big bar and then rolling and stretching it, kind of like wire drawing. It seems extrusion won't work, as that would leave the holes in the solder wire empty. But, maybe there's a trick to it. The nozzles that fill the holes would have to be REALLY tiny, and then hollow for the flux? Seems like it would never work. Jon |
How do they put the flux in solder?
On 2019/03/15 3:25 a.m., whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 1:24:06 AM UTC-7, wrote: I have a box of 18 gauge solder that says it has 5 cores. Putting one core in solder that thin seems impossible. and this has five. How do they make it? A lot like putting stripes on toothpaste, which is also clearly impossible. I'm still trying to figure out how they put the filling in the Cadbury Caramel bars... John ;-#)# -- (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup) John's Jukes Ltd. MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." |
How do they put the flux in solder?
It starts, as you suggest, as a much larger tube, and then is drawn to the correct diameter.
https://static.makeuseof.com/wp-cont...er-640x240.jpg Is a picture of single-core solder. 5-core takes a little bit more care, and will not be possible with the more brittle formulas. The key is keeping the tin/lead admixture annealed during the entire drawing process, yet not so warm as to melt. Noble metals do much better at this than others, and lead is very nearly a metaloid in any case - so this is not a casual exercise. The multiple cores serve to spread the rosin more evenly, so it is not just hype. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
How do they put the flux in solder?
On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:20:08 -0700, John Robertson wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out how they put the filling in the Cadbury Caramel bars... Form the caramel bars, freeze them, dip in a vat of hot chocolate and lay flat on a cold surface until set? -- Martin | martin at Gregorie | gregorie dot org |
How do they put the flux in solder?
On 2019/03/15 1:17 p.m., Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:20:08 -0700, John Robertson wrote: I'm still trying to figure out how they put the filling in the Cadbury Caramel bars... Form the caramel bars, freeze them, dip in a vat of hot chocolate and lay flat on a cold surface until set? There was an musical ad in the 70s that asked that question as I recall...but I can't remember how it went other something like "How do they put the caramel in Cadbury's bar?" John :-#)# -- (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup) John's Jukes Ltd. MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." |
How do they put the flux in solder?
On Friday, 15 March 2019 20:17:53 UTC, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:20:08 -0700, John Robertson wrote: I'm still trying to figure out how they put the filling in the Cadbury Caramel bars... Form the caramel bars, freeze them, dip in a vat of hot chocolate and lay flat on a cold surface until set? "An enrober operates by first dipping the bottom part of a confection in a bath of liquid (chocolate is the primary coating used with such equipment). The item then passes through a curtain of liquid to complete the task." NT |
How do they put the flux in solder?
On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 14:37:57 -0700, tabbypurr wrote:
On Friday, 15 March 2019 20:17:53 UTC, Martin Gregorie wrote: On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:20:08 -0700, John Robertson wrote: I'm still trying to figure out how they put the filling in the Cadbury Caramel bars... Form the caramel bars, freeze them, dip in a vat of hot chocolate and lay flat on a cold surface until set? "An enrober operates by first dipping the bottom part of a confection in a bath of liquid (chocolate is the primary coating used with such equipment). The item then passes through a curtain of liquid to complete the task." Yes, that makes sense, both as a way to get a coating on the underside and of the shape or the top and side coating. Do you know whether the core needs to be chilled? I'm just thinking that some fillings are very soft and that chilling them would stop them deforming while being coated and then while the chocolate is setting. -- Martin | martin at Gregorie | gregorie dot org |
How do they put the flux in solder?
On Friday, 15 March 2019 21:58:20 UTC, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 14:37:57 -0700, tabbypurr wrote: On Friday, 15 March 2019 20:17:53 UTC, Martin Gregorie wrote: On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:20:08 -0700, John Robertson wrote: I'm still trying to figure out how they put the filling in the Cadbury Caramel bars... Form the caramel bars, freeze them, dip in a vat of hot chocolate and lay flat on a cold surface until set? "An enrober operates by first dipping the bottom part of a confection in a bath of liquid (chocolate is the primary coating used with such equipment). The item then passes through a curtain of liquid to complete the task." Yes, that makes sense, both as a way to get a coating on the underside and of the shape or the top and side coating. Do you know whether the core needs to be chilled? I'm just thinking that some fillings are very soft and that chilling them would stop them deforming while being coated and then while the chocolate is setting. Some fillings are chilled - ice cream certainly has to be NT |
How do they put the flux in solder?
As interesting as all this confectioners lore is, it has
absolutely NOTHING to do with flux cored solder.... -- "I am a river to my people." Jeff-1.0 WA6FWi http:foxsmercantile.com |
How do they put the flux in solder?
On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 18:54:17 -0500, Fox's Mercantile
wrote: As interesting as all this confectioners lore is, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with flux cored solder.... I don't think that's true. Why, just the other day I was brushing my teeth with striped toothpaste after eating some some hard candy discs that had a valentine heart shape that went clean through the candy and it got me to thinking about multi core solder and how they make the stuff. So there. Eric |
How do they put the flux in solder?
On 3/16/19 8:37 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 18:54:17 -0500, Fox's Mercantile wrote: As interesting as all this confectioners lore is, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with flux cored solder.... I don't think that's true. Why, just the other day I was brushing my teeth with striped toothpaste after eating some some hard candy discs that had a valentine heart shape that went clean through the candy and it got me to thinking about multi core solder and how they make the stuff. So there. Eric AFAIK the two usual methods for that sort of job are co-extrusion (as in Blackpool Rock candy sticks, where the writing went all the way through from one end to the other) and drawing down a preform through a succession of wire dies. For solder, drawing down would be my guess. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 http://electrooptical.net http://hobbs-eo.com |
How do they put the flux in solder?
On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:20:08 -0700, John Robertson
wrote: I'm still trying to figure out how they put the filling in the Cadbury Caramel bars... This sort of gets off the topic of solder, but others explained that fairly well. however I imagine they fill the candy the same way jelly filled donut (sweet rolls) are filled. I once asked a baker how they do it, and he said it's injected with a device similar to a syringe. A plastic point is shoved into the donut and the jelly injected. A large object like a donut or candy seems a lot more easy than that thin solder. |
How do they put the flux in solder?
On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 21:57:06 -0400, Phil Hobbs
wrote: On 3/16/19 8:37 PM, wrote: On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 18:54:17 -0500, Fox's Mercantile wrote: As interesting as all this confectioners lore is, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with flux cored solder.... I don't think that's true. Why, just the other day I was brushing my teeth with striped toothpaste after eating some some hard candy discs that had a valentine heart shape that went clean through the candy and it got me to thinking about multi core solder and how they make the stuff. So there. Eric AFAIK the two usual methods for that sort of job are co-extrusion (as in Blackpool Rock candy sticks, where the writing went all the way through from one end to the other) and drawing down a preform through a succession of wire dies. For solder, drawing down would be my guess. Cheers Phil Hobbs That's exactly how flux cored solder is made. Same for hypodermic tubing. Similar process for the very small diameter glass tubing used for injecting stuff into living cells. Except the glass is just drawn out from a larger tube, it doesn't go through a die. Eric |
How do they put the flux in solder?
In article ,
Phil Hobbs wrote: AFAIK the two usual methods for that sort of job are co-extrusion (as in Blackpool Rock candy sticks, where the writing went all the way through from one end to the other) and drawing down a preform through a succession of wire dies. For solder, drawing down would be my guess. I believe your guess is correct. I saw a marketing blurb by Ersin Multicore, talking about their process, and they specifically mentioned the use of a progressively-smaller series of dies. They said that some "fake" multi-core solder (by their competitors) uses a single nozzle with five openings to extrude the flux. Although they didn't say so specifically, this implies to me that their own process uses five separate nozzles as part of the initial extrusion process. |
How do they put the flux in solder?
On Monday, 18 March 2019 20:08:08 UTC, Dave Platt wrote:
In article , Phil Hobbs wrote: AFAIK the two usual methods for that sort of job are co-extrusion (as in Blackpool Rock candy sticks, where the writing went all the way through from one end to the other) and drawing down a preform through a succession of wire dies. For solder, drawing down would be my guess. I believe your guess is correct. I saw a marketing blurb by Ersin Multicore, talking about their process, and they specifically mentioned the use of a progressively-smaller series of dies. They said that some "fake" multi-core solder (by their competitors) uses a single nozzle with five openings to extrude the flux. Although there's more than 1 way to interpret that. they didn't say so specifically, this implies to me that their own process uses five separate nozzles as part of the initial extrusion process. surely it doesn't imply that. Any why and in what sense would another mfrs 5 core solder be 'fake'? NT |
How do they put the flux in solder?
I often care less about the how than I am about the "who"..
For example, who put the ram in the rama lama ding dong? |
How do they put the flux in solder?
On 19/03/2019 16:49, John-Del wrote:
I often care less about the how than I am about the "who".. For example, who put the ram in the rama lama ding dong? And here lies the problem. Far too much reality shows on TV, and every other craft television show is made intentionally (well, at least here in the UK) devoid of technical content, so the audience can be shown yet another "who" instead of "how". Andy Warhol was right. -- Adrian C |
How do they put the flux in solder?
On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 at 3:44:17 PM UTC-4, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 19/03/2019 16:49, John-Del wrote: I often care less about the how than I am about the "who".. For example, who put the ram in the rama lama ding dong? And here lies the problem. Far too much reality shows on TV, and every other craft television show is made intentionally (well, at least here in the UK) devoid of technical content, so the audience can be shown yet another "who" instead of "how". Andy Warhol was right. -- Adrian C I hope you're not suggesting that the UK has more mindless drivel "reality" shows than we do here in the Colonies. Them's fighting words. |
How do they put the flux in solder?
On 16/03/2019 6:20 am, John Robertson wrote:
On 2019/03/15 3:25 a.m., whit3rd wrote: On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 1:24:06 AM UTC-7, wrote: I have a box of 18 gauge solder that says it has 5 cores. Putting one core in solder that thin seems impossible. and this has five. How do they make it? A lot like putting stripes on toothpaste, which is also clearly impossible. I'm still trying to figure out how they put the filling in the Cadbury Caramel bars... John ;-#)# **Cadbury chocolate. :PUKE: Not the worst chocolate on the planet (that honour goes to Hershey, or some of the Asian makers), but not far behind. They generally make pretty decent TV ads though. Gotta give 'em that. Loved the gorilla one. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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