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12VDC to 120VAC inverter problem.
I have a 300W, 12VDC to 120VAC inverter. It's worked fine in my car for
years, to power my laptop computer, a medical device I need when I am "on the road", and even some small power tools. Recently it started acting weird. Sometimes it wont turn on, (LED is lit). Or it keeps cycling on and off. Often, I have to plug it into the cig lighter in my car repeated times to get it to work. I tore it apart the other day and after removing it from the aluminum case, I carefully checked for loose solder joints, using a magnifying glass, wiggling parts, looking for any burnt or other obvious bad parts. Everything looked ok. With it out of the case, I plugged it in, and found it worked perfectly. I used it numerous times out of the case, and it worked each and every time. However, I was careful not to load it too hard, because the case is used as a heatsink, and outside the case, the transistors are not heat sinked, and I could feel them getting warm, but not hot, becuase the load was low. After several days of working perfectly, I put it back in the case, and immediately it failed to work. I was careful to make sure the power cord was not applying pressure to the circuit board, and everything else was correctly mounted into the case. One thing I noted is that the board slides into slots on that molded alum case, and there are solder joints extremely close to that edge. My thinking is that even though it worked fine for years, one of them solder joints is touching the case and grounding out. But why it did not do that in the past makes little sense. If I could, I'd put some electrical tape along that edge, but it slides into a groove with no spare room. Since I need this badly, for medical needs, I decided to just buy a new one . I got a 400W, and thought that would work fine. However, that one has a built in buzzer which is loud and extremely annoying. As soon as I plug it in, it "screams" at me until it's "settled". Besides annoying, I often use these inverters when I go camping, with a portable 12V battery, and having this think scream in the middle of the night is not acceptable. Needless to say, I'm returning it for a refund. So, until I am able to find one without that annoying buzzer, I need to use my old one. All I can think is to leave it out of the original case, mount some heat sinks to the transistors and put it into a non-conductive case, made of plastic or wood. I am posting this because I wonder if anyone knows what else could cause it to fail to work inside the case, yet work perfectly outside. The amount of work and cost of another case is almost not worth all the trouble to re-case it, but it seems that most of the new ones have those annoying buzzers. Why they have that, is beyond me, but I refuse to have to cope with that noise. |
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wrote: has a built in buzzer which is loud and extremely annoying. As soon as I plug it in, it "screams" at me until it's "settled". Simple Answer: 1) Desolder buzzer leg. Deluxe answer: 2) Put a switch inline with buzzer Either that or chewing gum strategically inserted to reduce volume ... -- --------------------------------------+------------------------------------ Mike Brown: mjb[-at-]signal11.org.uk | http://www.signal11.org.uk |
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12VDC to 120VAC inverter problem.
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Purchase an inverter that alarms only when actually needed - after all, alarms are there for a reason. Low battery voltage will damage both the inverter and sulphate the battery, altogether a stupid, wasteful idea. Go up to at least 500 watts. Most inverters do not like being run at even 50% of rating. And the incremental cost is tiny. Furthermore, the closer an inverter is run to its rating, the greater the lost-to-use ratio. So, by going to a lower-rated inverter, you are draining your battery that much faster. https://www.potekelec.com/power-inve...CGIwQAv D_BwE https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...&condition=new Purchase 'resist' lacquer and coat both the slots on the case and the traces on the board. This can be done as either a spray or a pen. This may salvage your existing device. It is really not a good idea from a life-safety position to run an inverter without the cover. A modified square wave is far more damaging than a pure sine-wave - and you are no more than a 10,000 ohm, 1/4 watt resistor assuming you are otherwise entirely healthy with no compromising medical condition. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
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In sci.electronics.repair, on Thu, 12 Oct 2017 22:31:03 -0400, micky
wrote: This was for the used laptop I bought this summer: Car Charger for Dell Latitude 13 131l 2100 2110 D400 D420 D430 D500 D520 D530 D531 D600 D620 D630 D630 XFR D631 D820 D830 E4200 E4300 E4310 E5400 E5410 E5500 E5510 E6400 E6400 ATG E6410 E6500 X300 Xt https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 And only $17.50, so even if I used a converter, I'd want to have this rathher small thing in case the converter failed. They have them for just about everything. |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:15:25 -0700, mike wrote:
Since I need this badly, for medical needs, I decided to just buy a new one . I got a 400W, and thought that would work fine. However, that one has a built in buzzer which is loud and extremely annoying. As soon as I plug it in, it "screams" at me until it's "settled". Besides annoying, I often use these inverters when I go camping, with a portable 12V battery, and having this think scream in the middle of the night is not acceptable. Needless to say, I'm returning it for a refund. So, until I am able to find one without that annoying buzzer, I need to use my old one. All I can think is to leave it out of the original case, mount some heat sinks to the transistors and put it into a non-conductive case, made of plastic or wood. I am posting this because I wonder if anyone knows what else could cause it to fail to work inside the case, yet work perfectly outside. The amount of work and cost of another case is almost not worth all the trouble to re-case it, but it seems that most of the new ones have those annoying buzzers. Why they have that, is beyond me, but I refuse to have to cope with that noise. The transistors are likely insulated from the case. Check for insulator failure. That's a good idea. I did not think to check that.... Painting the board to insulate it from the slots in the case is unlikely to last for long. Use something more robust like Kapton tape. I sort of think that paint would not last long, unless I applied it real thick. What is "Kapton" tape? I never heard of that. Although I do my best to keep stuff like this inverter from getting abused, anything that sits around between the car seats tends to get tossed around and fall off the seat, and so on. The case is a heavy aluminum, and it's not dented or anything, but it could have been pressed tighter to that board, and thus shorted over time. \ Although inverters are fairly cheap, I hate to toss this one that works fine outside the case and was always dependable in the past. Not ot mention it lacks them damn noisy buzzers. Instead a red LED lights if the battery power gets low. (A much better design). |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:11:56 -0700, mike wrote:
On 10/12/2017 12:27 PM, wrote: Since I need this badly, for medical needs, I decided to just buy a new one . I got a 400W, and thought that would work fine. One thing to watch out for is standby current drain. I've found a huge difference in no-load power consumption of different inverters. This can make a huge difference in low-load run time. Or if you don't turn it off between uses. I never knew inverters differred in standby current draw, but I did know they use current with no load on their output. I alwauys turn the inverter off when it's not in use. |
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12VDC to 120VAC inverter problem.
On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 1:04:43 PM UTC-7, wrote:
I have a 300W, 12VDC to 120VAC inverter. It's worked fine in my car for years, to power my laptop computer, a medical device I need when I am "on the road", and even some small power tools. Recently it started acting weird. Sometimes it wont turn on, (LED is lit). Or it keeps cycling on and off. Often, I have to plug it into the cig lighter in my car repeated times to get it to work. Cig lighter sockets and plugs (and the fuse holders they may contain) may corrode and otherwise "get weak" |
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On Friday, October 13, 2017 at 4:18:01 PM UTC-4, malua mada! wrote:
Cig lighter sockets and plugs (and the fuse holders they may contain) may corrode and otherwise "get weak" They are also limited in capacity by design. For full inverter capacity, you need to connect directly to the battery. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
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wrote in message ... I have a 300W, 12VDC to 120VAC inverter. It's worked fine in my car for years, to power my laptop computer, a medical device I need when I am "on the road", and even some small power tools. Recently it started acting weird. Sometimes it wont turn on, (LED is lit). Or it keeps cycling on and off. Often, I have to plug it into the cig lighter in my car repeated times to get it to work. I tore it apart the other day and after removing it from the aluminum case, I carefully checked for loose solder joints, using a magnifying glass, wiggling parts, looking for any burnt or other obvious bad parts. Everything looked ok. With it out of the case, I plugged it in, and found it worked perfectly. I used it numerous times out of the case, and it worked each and every time. However, I was careful not to load it too hard, because the case is used as a heatsink, and outside the case, the transistors are not heat sinked, and I could feel them getting warm, but not hot, becuase the load was low. How old is the car battery? |
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 20:53:44 +0100, "Ian Field"
wrote: wrote in message .. . I have a 300W, 12VDC to 120VAC inverter. It's worked fine in my car for years, to power my laptop computer, a medical device I need when I am "on the road", and even some small power tools. Recently it started acting weird. Sometimes it wont turn on, (LED is lit). Or it keeps cycling on and off. Often, I have to plug it into the cig lighter in my car repeated times to get it to work. I tore it apart the other day and after removing it from the aluminum case, I carefully checked for loose solder joints, using a magnifying glass, wiggling parts, looking for any burnt or other obvious bad parts. Everything looked ok. With it out of the case, I plugged it in, and found it worked perfectly. I used it numerous times out of the case, and it worked each and every time. However, I was careful not to load it too hard, because the case is used as a heatsink, and outside the case, the transistors are not heat sinked, and I could feel them getting warm, but not hot, becuase the load was low. How old is the car battery? That dont matter, because I tried it in my car, in my truck, and on my NEW portable battery, which is fully charged. |
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wrote: On Friday, October 13, 2017 at 4:18:01 PM UTC-4, malua mada! wrote: Cig lighter sockets and plugs (and the fuse holders they may contain) may corrode and otherwise "get weak" They are also limited in capacity by design. For full inverter capacity, you need to connect directly to the battery. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA Cigarette lighter sockets which have been used to light cigs, always make poor connections. They are full of carbon, ashes, and other crap. Back when I smoked, I had to regularly replace the lighters. They never lasted long. Several times I had to replace both the lighter and the socket. The one in my car was never used as a lighter, so it makes a fairly good connection. My truck has 3 sockets. One contains a lighter, the other two are only for plugging stuff in. That was a good setup. Most (or all) new cars dont evne have cig lighters anymore. I guess they figure that everyone on earth has quit smoking.... But they dont consider that those sockets have other uses. New cars have USB connectors, but they have limited uses. I'd rather have a 12V Cig lighter socket. Those USB plugs that go into cig lighter sockets only cost a buck. |
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:56:49 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Friday, October 13, 2017 at 4:18:01 PM UTC-4, malua mada! wrote: Cig lighter sockets and plugs (and the fuse holders they may contain) may corrode and otherwise "get weak" They are also limited in capacity by design. For full inverter capacity, you need to connect directly to the battery. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA Cigarette lighter sockets which have been used to light cigs, always make poor connections. As does anything that's been around awhile. Wireless chargers are out now (for iPhone X and Samsung Galaxy 6 and later). You simply put the phone on its surface and its ready to go about an hour later. |
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