On 22/02/17 11:03, wrote:
I had a BLU DASH JR with H2O and Redpocket (both ATT resellers with $100/yr
plans) until ATT dropped 2G. So I got a BLU R1 HD and only H2O worked when I
got it on Saturday. I called redpocket and they said to call Tuesday.
Today they got it to work. THen I realised H2O stopped working.
But they BOTH worked on the DASH JR. CLues?

Most "Dual SIM" phones are like that. The 2nd SIM only works on 2G,
only one SIM can connect to a modern network.

I had a BLU DASH JR with H2O and Redpocket (both ATT resellers with $100/yr
plans) until ATT dropped 2G. So I got a BLU R1 HD and only H2O worked when I
got it on Saturday. I called redpocket and they said to call Tuesday.
Today they got it to work. THen I realised H2O stopped working.
But they BOTH worked on the DASH JR. CLues?


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http://www.panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm
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On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 7:03:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
I had a BLU DASH JR with H2O and Redpocket (both ATT resellers with $100/yr
plans) until ATT dropped 2G. So I got a BLU R1 HD and only H2O worked when I
got it on Saturday. I called redpocket and they said to call Tuesday.
Today they got it to work. THen I realised H2O stopped working.
But they BOTH worked on the DASH JR. CLues?





Thanks, for the first time in my life, I truly feel old...

On 02/22/2017 12:03 AM, wrote:
I had a BLU DASH JR with H2O and Redpocket (both ATT resellers with $100/yr
plans) until ATT dropped 2G. So I got a BLU R1 HD and only H2O worked when I
got it on Saturday. I called redpocket and they said to call Tuesday.
Today they got it to work. THen I realised H2O stopped working.
But they BOTH worked on the DASH JR. CLues?


- = -
Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist
http://www.panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
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NO, SITRE MAGANA HAS ISSUES HE WENT TO A GAY ORGY ONCE AND ****ED A 72
YEAR OLD MAN.

In sci.electronics.repair, on Tue, 21 Feb 2017 16:35:24 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 7:03:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
I had a BLU DASH JR with H2O and Redpocket (both ATT resellers with $100/yr
plans) until ATT dropped 2G. So I got a BLU R1 HD and only H2O worked when I
got it on Saturday. I called redpocket and they said to call Tuesday.
Today they got it to work. THen I realised H2O stopped working.
But they BOTH worked on the DASH JR. CLues?





Thanks, for the first time in my life, I truly feel old...

LOL. Which part of it made you feel that way?

That you didn't know what H2) or Redpocket are. I don't either but I
just feel ignorant.

If you don't know what Saturday is, you're definitely old.

In sci.electronics.repair, on Wed, 22 Feb 2017 07:14:05 +1100, Clifford
Heath wrote:

On 22/02/17 11:03, wrote:
I had a BLU DASH JR with H2O and Redpocket (both ATT resellers with $100/yr
plans) until ATT dropped 2G. So I got a BLU R1 HD and only H2O worked when I
got it on Saturday. I called redpocket and they said to call Tuesday.
Today they got it to work. THen I realised H2O stopped working.
But they BOTH worked on the DASH JR. CLues?

Most "Dual SIM" phones are like that. The 2nd SIM only works on 2G,
only one SIM can connect to a modern network.

More things I should have known in advance**.

So if one SIM is removed, will the other do 3G, regardless of which SIM
is left in?

Or does it have to be in slot #1? I ask because I too have a Blu phone
(Studio X Plus) with 2 sim slots and so I though tI was being clever to
get micro the second time so that both could be in the phone at one
time. So if "slot 1" is important, Ican't move the SIM anyhow.

(I just got the second SIM in the mail today, but I can't use it until
mhy trip starts in 2 weeks.)

**Actually today is far better to learn this than after my trip. It's
not in advance of buying the phone but it's in advance of using this
part.

On 24/02/17 17:05, micky wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Wed, 22 Feb 2017 07:14:05 +1100, Clifford
Heath wrote:

On 22/02/17 11:03, wrote:
I had a BLU DASH JR with H2O and Redpocket (both ATT resellers with $100/yr
plans) until ATT dropped 2G. So I got a BLU R1 HD and only H2O worked when I
got it on Saturday. I called redpocket and they said to call Tuesday.
Today they got it to work. THen I realised H2O stopped working.
But they BOTH worked on the DASH JR. CLues?

Most "Dual SIM" phones are like that. The 2nd SIM only works on 2G,
only one SIM can connect to a modern network.

More things I should have known in advance**.

So if one SIM is removed, will the other do 3G, regardless of which SIM
is left in?

I think so, but it probably depends on the phone.

The advertising for the phone will often say "2nd SIM, standby only",
which is the give-away that it's only 2G or worse.

Or does it have to be in slot #1?

Again, it probably depends on the phone. Only one can log in
to the 3/4G network. I think that a true dual SIM phone needs
to duplicate parts of the networking hardware so it acts like
two phones; but I am not an expert in such things.

(I just got the second SIM in the mail today, but I can't use it until
mhy trip starts in 2 weeks.)

I wanted a dual SIM phone so I can get SMS (and possible family
emergency calls) while using local data. In any place where 2G
has been shut down, that doesn't work, so I might as well just
have a single SIM phone, and switch over each evening to get
delayed SMS.

**Actually today is far better to learn this than after my trip. It's
not in advance of buying the phone but it's in advance of using this
part.

Well, I've just bought a new dual-SIM phone, but not because it
was dual-SIM.

THanks. Well, worst case, I'll use up th eminutes on redpocket then
switch to H2O


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http://www.panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
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On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 12:41:28 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Tue, 21 Feb 2017 16:35:24 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 7:03:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
I had a BLU DASH JR with H2O and Redpocket (both ATT resellers with $100/yr
plans) until ATT dropped 2G. So I got a BLU R1 HD and only H2O worked when I
got it on Saturday. I called redpocket and they said to call Tuesday.
Today they got it to work. THen I realised H2O stopped working.
But they BOTH worked on the DASH JR. CLues?





Thanks, for the first time in my life, I truly feel old...

LOL. Which part of it made you feel that way?

That you didn't know what H2) or Redpocket are. I don't either but I
just feel ignorant.



A Redpocket is something I thought I might find in a Redcoat..


If you don't know what Saturday is, you're definitely old.

Ah... reprieved (I think). If "Saturday" is still the sixth day of the week, I've got at least some time left!

In sci.electronics.repair, on Sat, 25 Feb 2017 10:20:28 +1100, Clifford
Heath wrote:

On 24/02/17 17:05, micky wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Wed, 22 Feb 2017 07:14:05 +1100, Clifford
Heath wrote:

On 22/02/17 11:03, wrote:
I had a BLU DASH JR with H2O and Redpocket (both ATT resellers with $100/yr
plans) until ATT dropped 2G. So I got a BLU R1 HD and only H2O worked when I
got it on Saturday. I called redpocket and they said to call Tuesday.
Today they got it to work. THen I realised H2O stopped working.
But they BOTH worked on the DASH JR. CLues?

Most "Dual SIM" phones are like that. The 2nd SIM only works on 2G,
only one SIM can connect to a modern network.

More things I should have known in advance**.

So if one SIM is removed, will the other do 3G, regardless of which SIM
is left in?

I think so, but it probably depends on the phone.

The advertising for the phone will often say "2nd SIM, standby only",
which is the give-away that it's only 2G or worse.

Darn. It's not mentioned in "advertising" but gsmarena I've looked at
many times and it didn't seem important until just now:

Dual SIM (Mini-SIM/ Micro-SIM, dual stand-by)

But that's still not conclusive I think. Maybe it's only stand-by when
it's dual, and if I disable one sim, maybe that's not dual anymore.

But I won't be able to find out, because I don't even one of the right
bands for G3 on my trip. Maybe I can tell while I'm still in the
US....... It doesn't show G3 but I don't know if it ever does.

If I learn anything I'll try to post it here.


Or does it have to be in slot #1?

Again, it probably depends on the phone. Only one can log in
to the 3/4G network. I think that a true dual SIM phone needs
to duplicate parts of the networking hardware so it acts like
two phones; but I am not an expert in such things.

Fair enough. I had no plans to buy another phone, but if I dislike G2
and I plan another trip, maybe I will.

(I just got the second SIM in the mail today, but I can't use it until
mhy trip starts in 2 weeks.)

I wanted a dual SIM phone so I can get SMS (and possible family
emergency calls) while using local data. In any place where 2G
has been shut down, that doesn't work, so I might as well just
have a single SIM phone, and switch over each evening to get
delayed SMS.

**Actually today is far better to learn this than after my trip. It's
not in advance of buying the phone but it's in advance of using this
part.

Well, I've just bought a new dual-SIM phone, but not because it
was dual-SIM.

They're more common each year.

In sci.electronics.repair, on Fri, 24 Feb 2017 18:47:49 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 12:41:28 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Tue, 21 Feb 2017 16:35:24 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 7:03:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
I had a BLU DASH JR with H2O and Redpocket (both ATT resellers with $100/yr
plans) until ATT dropped 2G. So I got a BLU R1 HD and only H2O worked when I
got it on Saturday. I called redpocket and they said to call Tuesday.
Today they got it to work. THen I realised H2O stopped working.
But they BOTH worked on the DASH JR. CLues?





Thanks, for the first time in my life, I truly feel old...

LOL. Which part of it made you feel that way?

That you didn't know what H20 or Redpocket are. I don't either but I
just feel ignorant.



A Redpocket is something I thought I might find in a Redcoat..

Of course!


If you don't know what Saturday is, you're definitely old.

Ah... reprieved (I think). If "Saturday" is still the sixth day of the week, I've got at least some time left!

I think it's only the sixth day of the week in France.

If you're using windows and you click on the time in the lower right
corner, a calendar comes up and Saturday is 7th.

In sci.electronics.repair, on Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:27:56 -0500, micky
wrote:



If you don't know what Saturday is, you're definitely old.

Ah... reprieved (I think). If "Saturday" is still the sixth day of the week, I've got at least some time left!

I think it's only the sixth day of the week in France.

Bad syntax on my part. I think only in France is it the sixth day of
the week.

If you're using windows and you click on the time in the lower right
corner, a calendar comes up and Saturday is 7th.

In sci.electronics.repair, on Wed, 22 Feb 2017 07:14:05 +1100, Clifford
Heath wrote:

On 22/02/17 11:03, wrote:
I had a BLU DASH JR with H2O and Redpocket (both ATT resellers with $100/yr
plans) until ATT dropped 2G. So I got a BLU R1 HD and only H2O worked when I
got it on Saturday. I called redpocket and they said to call Tuesday.
Today they got it to work. THen I realised H2O stopped working.
But they BOTH worked on the DASH JR. CLues?

Most "Dual SIM" phones are like that. The 2nd SIM only works on 2G,
only one SIM can connect to a modern network.

This doesn't refer to the question at hand, but I t hought my experience
over the last day would be worth posting (if not worth reading..

When the sim came in the mail it said that I shouldn't download data
until I get a data plan becuase it woudl be very expensive. I didnt'
get a data plan because.. could be wrong but I think I can get a much
better one when I get there.

So i was trying to turn off my data, but up until this morning, I'd
only found "turn off background data", not enough.

So yesterday and today I put in the new sim and tapped a couple things
settling on AT&T, at least I thought so, but when I got to the
notification line, a message went by that I have no ATT service!! And
instead of one white triangle (with the tall side at the right), I had
two triangles and they were both blank inside.

I went back and just for a test I made the new sim my main sim, and then
the message just said "no service", becuase it didn't know which service
the new sim was supposed to have.

So I made ATT the main sim again, by turning the second sim off with its
slide switch on the SIM page, and then I noticed Activities and calls
were set for ATT 012, SMS was set for ATT 01. bit cellular data was set
for the other sim!! So i set it to ATT, and I'll bet that covers all
the data. Then I went back to Settings/Data usage, where I
had tried to change it before, and it said "SIM off, to see the number,
first turn it on" Since I didn't want to turn on the new sim, I tapped
cancel and then it just returned to Settings.

So then I did turn on the second one, and I'm not getting a message
about no service... Well of course, because ATT is still working fine.
I have two triangles, one white and one empty. (Later I turned off the
second sim but I stil have two triangles.)

But I might be slowing something down or wasting battery to keep looking
for a signal for the second sim so I'll turn it off soon.

But the point was that the setting I wanted seems to be under SIM /
Activities / Cellular Data

BTW, for Cellular Data, I had to choose one, but for Calls and SMS,
there was a 3rd choice "Ask first". In my situation where one server
is in one country and the other in another, asking first doesn't make
sense, but some people have a need to split data and phone calls.
.....

It turns out I might even be able to buy the plan I'm thinking of right
at the airport.

(But I can leave the data on ATT (where it won't work), and that will I
suspect turn it off for the other one until I can buy the data plan.)

The big problem is IMO a) that there are no printed directiosn for some
phones (and the ones for my phone cover nothing but the obvious) and b)
it's not clear in advance what one can tap on and what one can't. It's
not like web browers that one can set to underline and display in
another color clickable links.



HTH. Cheers, -- tlvp

In sci.electronics.repair, on Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:29:59 -0500, micky
wrote:

In sci.electronics.repair, on Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:27:56 -0500, micky
wrote:



If you don't know what Saturday is, you're definitely old.

Ah... reprieved (I think). If "Saturday" is still the sixth day of the week, I've got at least some time left!

I think it's only the sixth day of the week in France.

Bad syntax on my part. I think only in France is it the sixth day of
the week.

Even for France, I'm only going by where it appears on printed
calendars. If you look those Week-at-a-Glance desk calendars with place
to write appointmentns, they separate the weekend into one box, so
there are 3 boxes on each page, but I've always thought they do that
because working people have most of their appointments and scheduled
tasks on workdays.

I looked into this a little, and afaict the Catholics don't say Sunday
is the 7th day, which would make Saturday the 6th. . They say it's the
Lord's Day.

I've been to France but don't remember seeing a calendar. But I've read
that it's been changed, something to do with the French Revolution or
maybe it was Napoleon.

http://www.webexhibits.org/calendars...ar-french.html
The French Revolutionary Calendar (or Republican Calendar) was
officially adopted in France on October 24, 1793 and abolished on 1
January 1806 by Emperor Napoleon I. It was used again briefly during
under the Paris Commune in 1871. The French also established a new
clock, in which the day was divided in ten hours of a hundred minutes of
a hundred seconds - exactly 100,000 seconds per day.
......
The year was not divided into weeks, instead each month was divided into
three décades of 10 days, of which the final day was a day of rest. This
was an attempt to de-Christianize the calendar, but it was an unpopular
move, because now there were 9 work days between each day of rest,
whereas the Gregorian Calendar had only 6 work days between each
Sunday***. The ten days of each décade were called, respectively,
Primidi, Duodi, Tridi, Quartidi, Quintidi, Sextidi, Septidi, Octidi,
Nonidi, Decadi.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French...ican_Calendar: The Concordat
of 1801 re-established the Roman Catholic Church as an official
institution in France (though not as a state religion) with effect from
Easter Sunday, 18 April 1802, restoring the names of the days of the
week to the ones they had in the Gregorian Calendar, while keeping the
rest of the Republican Calendar, and fixing Sunday as the official day
of rest and religious celebration.[4]


(This article is pretty long and I haven't read more than a little bit.
It looks combative and therefore I'd take anything it says with a big
grain of salt, and that there's another side to any ideological or even
factual statement, but otoh, it's a comprehensive story so:
https://www.worldslastchance.com/eco...-calendar.html
)

If you're using windows and you click on the time in the lower right
corner, a calendar comes up and Saturday is 7th.

***This reminds me of the way peasants are still ridiculed for
complaining, rioting in some places IIrc, when the calendar was changed
from Julian to Gregorian. The ridicule is based on the idea that they
thought 10 days was being stolen from their lives, and that would be
stupid, but their objection actually was that they were expected to pay
a full month's rent to their landlords, even though that month was only
20 days long. (Also their health club membership was only 20 days
that month.)

On 26/02/17 07:45, micky wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:29:59 -0500, micky
wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:27:56 -0500, micky
wrote:
If you don't know what Saturday is, you're definitely old.
Ah... reprieved (I think). If "Saturday" is still the sixth day of the week, I've got at least some time left!
I think it's only the sixth day of the week in France.
Bad syntax on my part. I think only in France is it the sixth day of
the week.

Even for France, I'm only going by where it appears on printed
calendars....
I looked into this a little, and afaict the Catholics don't say Sunday
is the 7th day, which would make Saturday the 6th. . They say it's the
Lord's Day.

Some IT systems standards count Sunday as the first day, some Monday.
Some number the first day as zero, some as one. Anything that cares
to number the days of the week needs to allow this to be configured
to local customs.

I've been to France but don't remember seeing a calendar. But I've read
that it's been changed, something to do with the French Revolution or
maybe it was Napoleon.

I think calendar reform is a good idea, but won't ever happen.

In my ideal calendar, each year has ten months, one week, and
a day (or two for a leap year). A month is seven weeks, and a
week is five days - still with a 2-day weekend. That would
reduce annual working days to 84% of the current 260 (ex holidays),
down to 213 - not really a big drop. The end-of-year week-and-a-day
would be an annual holiday which would include any leap day.
So every month would be 35 days long.

Much more regular - better than the French system I think.
And we'd have no more nonsense about the Sabbath

Clifford Heath.

Clifford Heath wrote:

Anything that cares to number the days of the week needs to allow
this to be configured to local customs.

And preferably to allow personal override from local customs.

Got it. I have to switch either one or the other SIM off.
On the Dash Jr I could just pick which accont I wanted to use
when I made the call.
They both work now without removing anything, but they don't
work simultaneously

- = -
Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist
http://www.panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
[Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Phooey on GUI: Windows for subprime Bimbos]