On 02/12/2017 01:27 PM, Stijn De Jong wrote:
These are real photos taken this very week of what's going on in the
mountains where Jeff Liebermann lives due to the Pineapple Express dropping
unheard of rain in California (drought my ass!).

Highway 17 landslide turns car over, blocks both lanes, and cleanup crew
killed. http://i.cubeupload.com/VD5wTr.jpg

Hole in Skyline along the crest of the mountain ridge above the San Andreas
Fault opened up this week.
http://i.cubeupload.com/Q9zsF5.jpg

Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg

At the moment, they're doing mud almost as well as you Dutchmen.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

These are real photos taken this very week of what's going on in the
mountains where Jeff Liebermann lives due to the Pineapple Express dropping
unheard of rain in California (drought my ass!).

Highway 17 landslide turns car over, blocks both lanes, and cleanup crew
killed. http://i.cubeupload.com/VD5wTr.jpg

Hole in Skyline along the crest of the mountain ridge above the San Andreas
Fault opened up this week.
http://i.cubeupload.com/Q9zsF5.jpg

Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg

In article , Stijn De Jong
wrote:


Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg

i doubt he was attempting to cross it. more likely he was not paying
any attention and only realized it when it was too late.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 18:27:18 +0000 (UTC), Stijn De Jong
wrote:

These are real photos taken this very week of what's going on in the
mountains where Jeff Liebermann lives due to the Pineapple Express dropping
unheard of rain in California (drought my ass!).

Highway 17 landslide turns car over, blocks both lanes, and cleanup crew
killed. http://i.cubeupload.com/VD5wTr.jpg

Hole in Skyline along the crest of the mountain ridge above the San Andreas
Fault opened up this week.
http://i.cubeupload.com/Q9zsF5.jpg

Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg

Living in California can be carcogenic.

On 2017-02-12 18:27:18 +0000, Stijn De Jong said:

These are real photos taken this very week of what's going on in the
mountains where Jeff Liebermann lives due to the Pineapple Express dropping
unheard of rain in California (drought my ass!).

....and yet in parts of the Central and Salinas Valleys, and some of the
Central and Southern California Counties, agriculture has sucked up so
much ground water it will take years to replenish via perculation, so
there the drought persists even with the surface being wet.



--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2/12/2017 1:27 PM, Stijn De Jong wrote:
These are real photos taken this very week of what's going on in the
mountains where Jeff Liebermann lives due to the Pineapple Express dropping
unheard of rain in California (drought my ass!).

Highway 17 landslide turns car over, blocks both lanes, and cleanup crew
killed. http://i.cubeupload.com/VD5wTr.jpg

Hole in Skyline along the crest of the mountain ridge above the San Andreas
Fault opened up this week.
http://i.cubeupload.com/Q9zsF5.jpg

Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg

Thank you for posting.

Note to the Duck: IMHO the posted images are examples of images that
should not be altered in any manner, except possibly some very mild
sharpening.


--
PeterN

On 2/12/2017 1:32 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Stijn De Jong
wrote:


Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg

i doubt he was attempting to cross it. more likely he was not paying
any attention and only realized it when it was too late.


Said with your usual knowledge of the facts:

--
PeterN

In article , PeterN
wrote:

Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg

i doubt he was attempting to cross it. more likely he was not paying
any attention and only realized it when it was too late.

Said with your usual knowledge of the facts:

since you claim to have the facts, what was the driver's intention?

was he texting? did his brakes fail? were his tires bald?

or did he think he was evel knievel?

we await the answers.

On 2017-02-12 21:02:53 +0000, PeterN
said:

On 2/12/2017 1:27 PM, Stijn De Jong wrote:
These are real photos taken this very week of what's going on in the
mountains where Jeff Liebermann lives due to the Pineapple Express dropping
unheard of rain in California (drought my ass!).

Highway 17 landslide turns car over, blocks both lanes, and cleanup crew
killed. http://i.cubeupload.com/VD5wTr.jpg

Hole in Skyline along the crest of the mountain ridge above the San Andreas
Fault opened up this week.
http://i.cubeupload.com/Q9zsF5.jpg

Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg

Thank you for posting.

Note to the Duck: IMHO the posted images are examples of images that
should not be altered in any manner, except possibly some very mild
sharpening.

Don't you have something to drink?

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 18:27:18 +0000 (UTC), Stijn De Jong
wrote:

These are real photos taken this very week of what's going on in the
mountains where Jeff Liebermann lives due to the Pineapple Express dropping
unheard of rain in California (drought my ass!).

Much of the state is still in drought mode. The map below is from
last month and does NOT include the recent rains:
http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/Home/StateDroughtMonitor.aspx?CA

Plug in "State" and "California" to get the historical graphs:
http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/MapsAndData/Graph.aspx

Highway 17 landslide turns car over, blocks both lanes, and cleanup crew
killed. http://i.cubeupload.com/VD5wTr.jpg

Not exactly. Only one Granite Construction worker was killed by a
dump truck, not the overturned car:
http://www.ksbw.com/article/highway-17-mudslide-worker-hit-by-vehicle/8698622

I was filling up a mega-pothole in the road up my hill in the dark.
Not too clever but if it didn't get done, someone was going to break
an axle or disappear into the hole. I had two near misses, both times
by distracted drivers talking on their cell phones.

Hole in Skyline along the crest of the mountain ridge above the San Andreas
Fault opened up this week.
http://i.cubeupload.com/Q9zsF5.jpg

Probably not the fault of the fault. More likely an underground
spring or river under the road, which undermined the pavement.

Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg

Here's the story on the van:
http://www.ksbw.com/article/van-crashes-into-giant-gap-in-santa-cruz-mountains/8693694

More Santa Cruz flood and mud photos:
https://www.google.com/search?q=santa+cruz+rain+photos&tbm=isch&tbs=qdr:w

View of the San Lorenzo river just outside my office:
http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/sjm-storm-0208-403.jpg?w=620

Except for the usual roof leaks, my house and office downtown are
doing fine. My local (San Lorenzo Valley) weather page:
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/wx/SLV-WX-links.html
Might be something of interest in there as most links can be adapter
to other areas.



--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

In article , Jeff
Liebermann wrote:

Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg

Here's the story on the van:

http://www.ksbw.com/article/van-cras...-cruz-mountain
s/8693694

"I saw what I thought was mud, I stepped on the brake, and it was too
late," he said.

stupid driver syndrome.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 16:02:53 -0500, PeterN wrote:

Note to the Duck: IMHO the posted images are examples of images that
should not be altered in any manner, except possibly some very mild
sharpening.

I think you're implying that these photos were photoshopped, but they
weren't. They appear to be real.

Here's the news story on that photo (kindly provided by Jeff Liebermann)
which has multiple photos easily corroborating that original photo.
http://www.ksbw.com/article/van-cras...ntains/8693694

Or are you insinuating they're all photoshopped by the news media?
http://hips.htvapps.com/htv-prod-med...1486589973.jpg
http://hips.htvapps.com/htv-prod-med...1486693522.jpg
http://hips.htvapps.com/htv-prod-med...1486694623.jpg

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 14:02:19 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

Highway 17 landslide turns car over, blocks both lanes, and cleanup crew
killed. http://i.cubeupload.com/VD5wTr.jpg

Not exactly. Only one Granite Construction worker was killed by a
dump truck, not the overturned car:
http://www.ksbw.com/article/highway-17-mudslide-worker-hit-by-vehicle/8698622

I know. I didn't say that more than one person was killed, as it was a
father (and son) team working that day for Granite Construction where the
father died (Tuesday, I think) from an accident.

The overturned car was apparently pushed to the other lanes and flipped
over by the onrushing landslide. At least that's how I understood the news
to state. The guy was unhurt who was driving the overturned car.

Is that your understanding also?

Hole in Skyline along the crest of the mountain ridge above the San Andreas
Fault opened up this week.
http://i.cubeupload.com/Q9zsF5.jpg

Probably not the fault of the fault. More likely an underground
spring or river under the road, which undermined the pavement.

Yes. I didn't say it was the fault. I was just lining it up where it is for
the people who don't live here. The fault itself is closer to about 600
feet level while Skyline is something like 3000 foot level, so it's a
couple of miles as the crow flies from the actual fault itself.

Still, every road in the vicinity is cloesed, as you well know, from either
landslides or mudslides, as are every major trail in the canyons on the San
Jose side of the summit.

Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg

Here's the story on the van:
http://www.ksbw.com/article/van-crashes-into-giant-gap-in-santa-cruz-mountains/8693694

Thanks for that underlying story on the blue van.
The photo, I know, is real; but it looks photoshopped.
It was emailed to me by a friend, so I trusted it.
Despite traveling as much as anyone, I've never had an accident in these
mountains. I just don't understand how anyone can fall into that hole,
unless they were parked over it when it happened.

Looking at your reference
http://www.ksbw.com/article/van-cras...ntains/8693694

It seems their picture is even more spectacular:
http://hips.htvapps.com/htv-prod-med...1486589973.jpg

His power was out, so he got candles at the store. He should just have had
a generator, like the rest of us have. The power went out about five or six
times this winter alone, once for 4 or 4 days already.

He was driving too fast for the conditions. He thought the hole was mud. It
was dark. It may have been raining. He had been on that road just an hour
before (and there wasn't a hole at that time).

The guy moved here from NY city just this week, and Monday was his first
day on the job. He's gonna learn that California weather, like the
residents, is wacky!

But, you can't believe anything on California news because everything tends
to the super monstrous liberal, so they distort facts accordingly (e.g., on
the so-called drought).

More Santa Cruz flood and mud photos:
https://www.google.com/search?q=santa+cruz+rain+photos&tbm=isch&tbs=qdr:w

This one of those is Highway 17 where the SUV flipped by the mudslide
(supposedly) and the worker died cleaning it up:
http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-conten.../img_39461.jpg

The mudslide wiped out both lanes of the northbound side, it seems:
http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-conten...uel-tha_21.jpg

This is apparently the remains of his SUV, flipped right-side up:
http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-conten.../img_39511.jpg

I'm trying to figure out where this one is?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4V7UT1UcAASgMk.jpg

Is that Skyline?
If so, it looks like it's a good place to put up a bridge.

View of the San Lorenzo river just outside my office:
http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/sjm-storm-0208-403.jpg?w=620

Isn't that the same river that washed out Highway 9 last week?

Except for the usual roof leaks, my house and office downtown are
doing fine. My local (San Lorenzo Valley) weather page:
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/wx/SLV-WX-links.html
Might be something of interest in there as most links can be adapter
to other areas.

I'm not sure what the plastic is supposed to do:
http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/content/k...5_1280x720.jpg

We have been getting horizontal rain over on the Loma side of things.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:59:50 -0800, Savageduck wrote:

...and yet in parts of the Central and Salinas Valleys, and some of the
Central and Southern California Counties, agriculture has sucked up so
much ground water it will take years to replenish via perculation, so
there the drought persists even with the surface being wet

It's my understanding that agriculture takes up 85% of California water.
Of course, they don't advertise that.
What they advertise on all the road signs is to conserve water at home.
Yet all the homes in California only take about 15% of the water.
And, we're already conserving like hell.

Yet, we have to pay for road signs to tell us to conserve water while we're
driving.

It's a political farce.

In article , PeterN
wrote:

Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg

i doubt he was attempting to cross it. more likely he was not paying
any attention and only realized it when it was too late.


Said with your usual knowledge of the facts:

looks like i was exactly right:

http://www.ksbw.com/article/van-cras...-santa-cruz-mo
untains/8693694
"I saw what I thought was mud, I stepped on the brake, and it was too
late," he said.

On 2017-02-12 23:29:37 +0000, nospam said:

In article , PeterN
wrote:

Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg

i doubt he was attempting to cross it. more likely he was not paying
any attention and only realized it when it was too late.


Said with your usual knowledge of the facts:

looks like i was exactly right:

http://www.ksbw.com/article/van-cras...-santa-cruz-mo
untains/8693694
"I saw what I thought was mud, I stepped on the brake, and it was too
late," he said.

....and he was one of those NY drivers who know how to drive in
California drizzle.
--
Regards,

Savageduck

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 18:07:08 -0500, nospam wrote:

"I saw what I thought was mud, I stepped on the brake, and it was too
late," he said.

stupid driver syndrome.

According to the article Jeff referenced, the driver was from NY city.
It's his first week in California.
He didn't know how to drive on mountain roads (apparently).

In NY, you look for "black ice".
In CA, you look for black holes.

In article , Stijn De Jong
wrote:


"I saw what I thought was mud, I stepped on the brake, and it was too
late," he said.

stupid driver syndrome.

According to the article Jeff referenced, the driver was from NY city.
It's his first week in California.
He didn't know how to drive on mountain roads (apparently).

he's still a stupid driver.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 19:26:52 -0500, nospam wrote:

He didn't know how to drive on mountain roads (apparently).

he's still a stupid driver.

I am agreeing with you.
If you can't miss a 20 foot wide hole, you're not gonna miss a pedestrian
either. Or even a guardrail.

He was a bad driver, no doubt about it.
I agree with you.

You're supposed to maintain control of your vehicle, and driving into a
hole isn't maintaining control. He should have been able to stop.

If he couldn't stop, then he was driving too fast.
What if someone was standing in the road, for example.

He'd have run them over.

On 2/12/17 5:23 PM, Stijn De Jong wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:59:50 -0800, Savageduck wrote:

...and yet in parts of the Central and Salinas Valleys, and some
of the Central and Southern California Counties, agriculture has
sucked up so much ground water it will take years to replenish via
perculation, so there the drought persists even with the surface
being wet

It's my understanding that agriculture takes up 85% of California
water. Of course, they don't advertise that. What they advertise on
all the road signs is to conserve water at home. Yet all the homes in
California only take about 15% of the water. And, we're already
conserving like hell.

Yet, we have to pay for road signs to tell us to conserve water while
we're driving.

It's a political farce.

A quick search. Public Policy Institute of California.
http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=1108

On 2/12/2017 4:12 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg

i doubt he was attempting to cross it. more likely he was not paying
any attention and only realized it when it was too late.

Said with your usual knowledge of the facts:

since you claim to have the facts, what was the driver's intention?

was he texting? did his brakes fail? were his tires bald?

or did he think he was evel knievel?

we await the answers.


Exactly where did I make a positive statement of fact, other than my
observation about your knowledge of the facts that support your
conclusion. But then just another attempt at a twist.

--
PeterN

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 23:23:02 +0000 (UTC), Stijn De Jong
wrote:

The overturned car was apparently pushed to the other lanes and flipped
over by the onrushing landslide. At least that's how I understood the news
to state. The guy was unhurt who was driving the overturned car.

Is that your understanding also?

Yep.
http://www.ktvu.com/news/234511700-story
The mudslide also shoved the over the center divider. Bad timing, I
guess.

Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg
The photo, I know, is real; but it looks photoshopped.

It's real, judging by the number of photos shot from different angles.
http://www.ksbw.com/article/van-crashes-into-giant-gap-in-santa-cruz-mountains/8693694
Fake photos usually are singles.

Despite traveling as much as anyone, I've never had an accident in these
mountains.

Same here. Well, maybe if you don't include backing up into cars,
trees, poles, hillsides, ditches, etc.

I just don't understand how anyone can fall into that hole,
unless they were parked over it when it happened.

Possibly speeding. Look at the photo at:
http://hips.htvapps.com/htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/images/van4-1486694623.jpg?crop=0.998xw:1.00xh;0.00173xw,0&res ize=4500:*
Notice how the van has literally plowed into the opposite side of the
gully. If he were going slower, the van would have gone over nose
down, and possibly ended up vertically, or fallen over on its top.
However, I'm guessing. The driver was lucky.

His power was out, so he got candles at the store. He should just have had
a generator, like the rest of us have. The power went out about five or six
times this winter alone, once for 4 or 4 days already.

Mine went out for more than 5 minutes perhaps 4 times. The longest
was about 2 hrs.

The guy moved here from NY city just this week, and Monday was his first
day on the job.

Do people actually drive in New York city? Must have been quite a
change for him.

But, you can't believe anything on California news because everything tends
to the super monstrous liberal, so they distort facts accordingly (e.g., on
the so-called drought).

Facts? We don't do no stinkin facts. This is the land of opinions,
feelings, and progress through meditation.

This is apparently the remains of his SUV, flipped right-side up:
http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-conten.../img_39511.jpg

Kinda makes me want to install an internal roll bar.

I'm trying to figure out where this one is?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4V7UT1UcAASgMk.jpg

No EXIF info and therefore no lat-long.

Is that Skyline?
If so, it looks like it's a good place to put up a bridge.

Judging by slope and the "view", I agree. It's probably Skyline.
See the red and white line at (if Hwy 9 is still closed):
,14z/data=!5m1!1e1

View of the San Lorenzo river just outside my office:
http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/sjm-storm-0208-403.jpg?w=620

Isn't that the same river that washed out Highway 9 last week?

Yes, but that was in Boulder Creek, 15 miles to the north.

I'm not sure what the plastic is supposed to do:
http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/content/k...5_1280x720.jpg

Keep the rain and runoff from further eroding the hillside. However,
it won't do anything for underground rivers and springs.

We have been getting horizontal rain over on the Loma side of things.

I hate when that happens. It ruins my rainfall measurements because
the rain misses the rain gauge.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

In article , Jeff
Liebermann wrote:

The guy moved here from NY city just this week, and Monday was his first
day on the job.

Do people actually drive in New York city?

yes, and rather well. it's the jersey drivers that you have to watch
out for.

Must have been quite a
change for him.

apparently so.

On 2/12/2017 6:22 PM, Stijn De Jong wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 16:02:53 -0500, PeterN wrote:

Note to the Duck: IMHO the posted images are examples of images that
should not be altered in any manner, except possibly some very mild
sharpening.

I think you're implying that these photos were photoshopped, but they
weren't. They appear to be real.

Not at all. In fact I was expressly stating that they should not be
Photoshopped. Your posting came just at the point that the Duck and I
were having a discussion about Photoshopping images. The gist of which
is that he and I shoot for different purposes.



Here's the news story on that photo (kindly provided by Jeff Liebermann)
which has multiple photos easily corroborating that original photo.
http://www.ksbw.com/article/van-cras...ntains/8693694


Or are you insinuating they're all photoshopped by the news media?
http://hips.htvapps.com/htv-prod-med...1486589973.jpg

http://hips.htvapps.com/htv-prod-med...1486693522.jpg

http://hips.htvapps.com/htv-prod-med...1486694623.jpg



--
PeterN

On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 00:31:01 +0000 (UTC), Stijn De Jong
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 19:26:52 -0500, nospam wrote:

He didn't know how to drive on mountain roads (apparently).

he's still a stupid driver.

I am agreeing with you.
If you can't miss a 20 foot wide hole, you're not gonna miss a pedestrian
either. Or even a guardrail.

He was a bad driver, no doubt about it.
I agree with you.

You're supposed to maintain control of your vehicle, and driving into a
hole isn't maintaining control. He should have been able to stop.

If he couldn't stop, then he was driving too fast.
What if someone was standing in the road, for example.

He'd have run them over.
He couldn't have been going very fast by the time he left the road by
the looks of his van. Though I'm sure the mud was pretty soft there
would still have been a lot body damage to the van if he was traveling
very fast. Musta been a pretty big surprise when the van dropped into
that hole.
Eric

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 23:23:05 +0000 (UTC), Stijn De Jong
wrote:

It's my understanding that agriculture takes up 85% of California water.
Of course, they don't advertise that.
What they advertise on all the road signs is to conserve water at home.
Yet all the homes in California only take about 15% of the water.
And, we're already conserving like hell.

http://www.scpr.org/news/2015/04/15/50941/10-things-to-know-about-california-water-use/
"We hear all the time that growers use 80 percent of California's
water. And state officials do say California's 9 million acres of
farmland consume that much. But that's 80 percent of human water
use."

http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=1108
"Statewide, average water use is roughly 50% environmental,
40% agricultural, and 10% urban..."

Yet, we have to pay for road signs to tell us to conserve water while we're
driving.

It's a conspiracy to make you thirsty so that you'll drop into an
overpriced convenience store for something to drink.

It's a political farce.

Hardly. It's the current reality. Government believes that you need
to be told what to do and what not to do. That's what laws are all
about. You need to be told how to behave because otherwise, you might
go around leaving the water running, or commit some other crime
against the environment. Just salute as you drive by the sign and
you'll be all right.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 2/12/2017 8:35 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

snip

Do people actually drive in New York city? Must have been quite a
change for him.


The natives of the City and its environs, only do so when necessary. At
least not during the rush hour.



--
PeterN

On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 00:23:50 +0000 (UTC), Stijn De Jong
wrote:

In NY, you look for "black ice".
In CA, you look for black holes.

In NV you look for signs to go back where you came from.
We don't need those folks.

In article , PeterN
wrote:

Do people actually drive in New York city? Must have been quite a
change for him.


The natives of the City and its environs, only do so when necessary. At
least not during the rush hour.

then why is there so much traffic in midtown?

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 13:32:28 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Stijn De Jong
wrote:


Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg

i doubt he was attempting to cross it. more likely he was not paying
any attention and only realized it when it was too late.

It's always possible that the hole got there after the van did.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 20:50:47 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , PeterN
wrote:

Do people actually drive in New York city? Must have been quite a
change for him.

The natives of the City and its environs, only do so when necessary. At
least not during the rush hour.

then why is there so much traffic in midtown?

https://www.google.com/search?q=new+york+city+traffic&tbm=isch
Kinda looks like mostly taxi cabs, buses, delivery vans, tour buses,
but very few private vehicles. Even if he had experience driving in
New York city, he couldn't have been driving very fast.


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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

In article , Jeff
Liebermann wrote:


Do people actually drive in New York city? Must have been quite a
change for him.

The natives of the City and its environs, only do so when necessary. At
least not during the rush hour.

then why is there so much traffic in midtown?

https://www.google.com/search?q=new+york+city+traffic&tbm=isch
Kinda looks like mostly taxi cabs, buses, delivery vans, tour buses,
but very few private vehicles. Even if he had experience driving in
New York city, he couldn't have been driving very fast.

he could on roads outside of midtown itself.

In article , Stijn De Jong
wrote:


He didn't know how to drive on mountain roads (apparently).

he's still a stupid driver.

I am agreeing with you.
If you can't miss a 20 foot wide hole, you're not gonna miss a pedestrian
either. Or even a guardrail.

He was a bad driver, no doubt about it.
I agree with you.

You're supposed to maintain control of your vehicle, and driving into a
hole isn't maintaining control. He should have been able to stop.

If he couldn't stop, then he was driving too fast.

he was driving too fast for conditions and not paying attention either.

hopefully he learned a lesson. probably not though.

What if someone was standing in the road, for example.

He'd have run them over.

maybe.

pedestrians don't usually stand in the road so it's rarely an issue.

however, there are definitely stupid ones who step into moving traffic
expecting that the vehicles will stop, or they don't even bother
looking to see if there is any traffic at all. stupidity is not limited
to just drivers.

at least for people who step into traffic, they learn a quick lesson
and likely won't do it again, usually because they're unable to walk
anymore or dead.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 21:54:45 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Stijn De Jong
wrote:


He didn't know how to drive on mountain roads (apparently).

he's still a stupid driver.

I am agreeing with you.
If you can't miss a 20 foot wide hole, you're not gonna miss a pedestrian
either. Or even a guardrail.

He was a bad driver, no doubt about it.
I agree with you.

You're supposed to maintain control of your vehicle, and driving into a
hole isn't maintaining control. He should have been able to stop.

If he couldn't stop, then he was driving too fast.

he was driving too fast for conditions and not paying attention either.

It's clear from the news item that he actually misjudged the
situation. He thought he was driving through mud, which probably
something he could have got away with, but in fact he was driving into
a hole ...

Driver error.


hopefully he learned a lesson. probably not though.

What if someone was standing in the road, for example.

He'd have run them over.

maybe.

pedestrians don't usually stand in the road so it's rarely an issue.

however, there are definitely stupid ones who step into moving traffic
expecting that the vehicles will stop, or they don't even bother
looking to see if there is any traffic at all. stupidity is not limited
to just drivers.

at least for people who step into traffic, they learn a quick lesson
and likely won't do it again, usually because they're unable to walk
anymore or dead.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article ,
Stijn De Jong wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 18:07:08 -0500, nospam wrote:

"I saw what I thought was mud, I stepped on the brake, and it was too
late," he said.

stupid driver syndrome.

According to the article Jeff referenced, the driver was from NY city.
It's his first week in California.
He didn't know how to drive on mountain roads (apparently).

In NY, you look for "black ice".
In CA, you look for black holes.

That thingy looked more lie a wormhole...
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teleportation kills

In article ,
Eric Stevens wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 13:32:28 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Stijn De Jong
wrote:


Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg

i doubt he was attempting to cross it. more likely he was not paying
any attention and only realized it when it was too late.

It's always possible that the hole got there after the van did.

Yes... It could have been an occurrence of an unscheduled twist in the
time space continuum. The boss gets vimy occasionally! ;-))
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teleportation kills

In sci.electronics.repair, on Sun, 12 Feb 2017 17:35:22 -0800, Jeff
Liebermann wrote:


His power was out, so he got candles at the store. He should just have had
a generator, like the rest of us have. The power went out about five or six
times this winter alone, once for 4 or 4 days already.

Mine went out for more than 5 minutes perhaps 4 times. The longest
was about 2 hrs.

The guy moved here from NY city just this week, and Monday was his first
day on the job.

Do people actually drive in New York city? Must have been quite a
change for him.

Actually, even in 1966, there were a million cars registered in NYC, I
would expect it to be higher now. Atlhough I suppose the rate was
lowest in Manhattan.

But, you can't believe anything on California news because everything tends
to the super monstrous liberal, so they distort facts accordingly (e.g., on
the so-called drought).

And of course conservatives don't distort the facts. If you believe
liberals do it more, well...

Facts? We don't do no stinkin facts. This is the land of opinions,
feelings, and progress through meditation.

This is apparently the remains of his SUV, flipped right-side up:
http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-conten.../img_39511.jpg

Kinda makes me want to install an internal roll bar.

I'm trying to figure out where this one is?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4V7UT1UcAASgMk.jpg

But I do think they should put in a bridge when there is a gap this
long. ;-)

No EXIF info and therefore no lat-long.

Is that Skyline?
If so, it looks like it's a good place to put up a bridge.

Judging by slope and the "view", I agree. It's probably Skyline.
See the red and white line at (if Hwy 9 is still closed):
,14z/data=!5m1!1e1

View of the San Lorenzo river just outside my office:
http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/sjm-storm-0208-403.jpg?w=620

I'm glad you weren't washed away.

Isn't that the same river that washed out Highway 9 last week?

Yes, but that was in Boulder Creek, 15 miles to the north.

I'm not sure what the plastic is supposed to do:
http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/content/k...5_1280x720.jpg

Keep the rain and runoff from further eroding the hillside. However,

But what is the vertical thing on the left? It's 2 or 3 feet tall.

it won't do anything for underground rivers and springs.

We have been getting horizontal rain over on the Loma side of things.

I hate when that happens. It ruins my rainfall measurements because
the rain misses the rain gauge.

Maybe you could mount a tube horizontally, on a weather vane so it faces
the wind.

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Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

He didn't know how to drive on mountain roads (apparently).

he's still a stupid driver.

I am agreeing with you.
If you can't miss a 20 foot wide hole, you're not gonna miss a pedestrian
either. Or even a guardrail.

He was a bad driver, no doubt about it.
I agree with you.

You're supposed to maintain control of your vehicle, and driving into a
hole isn't maintaining control. He should have been able to stop.

If he couldn't stop, then he was driving too fast.

he was driving too fast for conditions and not paying attention either.

It's clear from the news item that he actually misjudged the
situation. He thought he was driving through mud, which probably
something he could have got away with, but in fact he was driving into
a hole ...

Driver error.

that's what i said. stupid driver syndrome.

unfortunately, he's still driving and putting others in danger.

In article ,
nospam wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

He didn't know how to drive on mountain roads (apparently).

he's still a stupid driver.

I am agreeing with you.
If you can't miss a 20 foot wide hole, you're not gonna miss a pedestrian
either. Or even a guardrail.

He was a bad driver, no doubt about it.
I agree with you.

You're supposed to maintain control of your vehicle, and driving into a
hole isn't maintaining control. He should have been able to stop.

If he couldn't stop, then he was driving too fast.

he was driving too fast for conditions and not paying attention either.

It's clear from the news item that he actually misjudged the
situation. He thought he was driving through mud, which probably
something he could have got away with, but in fact he was driving into
a hole ...

Driver error.

that's what i said. stupid driver syndrome.

unfortunately, he's still driving and putting others in danger.

He could be right. The undermined paving, covered with mud probably
collapsed under the weight of the car...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_s...posite_pavemen
t_x-sect.jpg
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teleportation kills

On 2/12/2017 8:50 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

Do people actually drive in New York city? Must have been quite a
change for him.


The natives of the City and its environs, only do so when necessary. At
least not during the rush hour.

then why is there so much traffic in midtown?


Vehicles double and triple parked slows things down. A very high
percentage is business traffic.

--
PeterN