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differences ? stained glass soldering iron and electrical soldering iron
is a stained glass iron use able for rosin core solder on copper?
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differences ? stained glass soldering iron and electricalsoldering iron
On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 2:02:19 PM UTC-5, wrote:
is a stained glass iron use able for rosin core solder on copper? Usable? Certainly. Very practical? Not hardly. Typically the tip is too broad, an gets too hot over too large an area for electronic use. Perhaps for chassis-connections but for circuit boards or single wire connections, not so much. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
differences ? stained glass soldering iron and electrical soldering iron
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differences ? stained glass soldering iron and electricalsoldering iron
On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 3:43:02 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
It should be fine. You should make sure the tip is cleaned of any acid type flux before using the iron on copper and rosin type solder. That is usually not a problem as when you clean the tip as you should befor putting it to solder the old flux will come off. Back in my very young days (before 16) I put together a couple of radio kits using the soldering pencil looking thing that came in a wood burning art kit I had. They all worked fine. Ummmmmm, ummmmm. Stained Glass soldering irons start at 100 watts. And up. They more-or-less look like this, bent or straight: http://www.sunshineglass.com/rcol/c-...30h-hex175.jpg Tip Temperature is typically at/near 700F. Wood burners can go as high as 800F, most are in the 480-550 range. And so would be OK - at least - for conventional electronic soldering. Eutectic solder melts ~361F. 480F is a fine tip temperature, pretty much what I use. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
differences ? stained glass soldering iron and electricalsoldering iron
On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 5:46:59 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says... Ummmmmm, ummmmm. Stained Glass soldering irons start at 100 watts. And up. They more-or-less look like this, bent or straight: http://www.sunshineglass.com/rcol/c-...30h-hex175.jpg Tip Temperature is typically at/near 700F. Wood burners can go as high as 800F, most are in the 480-550 range. And so would be OK - at least - for conventional electronic soldering. Eutectic solder melts ~361F. 480F is a fine tip temperature, pretty much what I use. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA It all depends on what one is soldering. I have a 100 watt iron my dad used. Back in the tube days they were the 'standard' iron. Think it may have been called a black beauty. I have a 100 watt iron with a very large tip, it may be for the stained glass work. I don't know. Bought it to solder the pl259 coax plugs on the coax cable. The OP did not state what he was soldering. He may want to put together a couple of # 12 wires so a large iron could be used. right...transistor/tubes....I forget. I was on the van roof soldering connectors to waterproof plugs n 10 Ga to 8 Ga for a set of Hella roof lights 3-4 connectors from work end day, the 40 watt Weller quit. I cleaned it. 0-. went to the box for another . Cleaned it. -0- ..there's a chip from the factory makes the chip shuts down 'save' when **** runs out of you at the library. so I went over to Weller.China when I got down n to Amazon/GooShop n settled on an 80 watt from Weller free shipping. I had a gun up to 100w or 120w second squeeze...the $100 model. 40 watts drives me crzy. but I forget abt transistors https://www.google.com/#tbm=shop&q=6... 098169798354 !!! |
differences ? stained glass soldering iron and electricalsoldering iron
On 17/01/2017 6:02 AM, wrote:
is a stained glass iron use able for rosin core solder on copper? **No. It would be ****ing hopeless on anything but very agricultural work. OTOH, a good temperature controlled iron, with a large tip works a treat on stained glass work. I used my ERSA iron for that purpose a few years back. It was MUCH better than those huge, horrible irons stained glass guys use. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
differences ? stained glass soldering iron and electrical soldering iron
wrote in message ... On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 3:43:02 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote: It should be fine. You should make sure the tip is cleaned of any acid type flux before using the iron on copper and rosin type solder. That is usually not a problem as when you clean the tip as you should befor putting it to solder the old flux will come off. Back in my very young days (before 16) I put together a couple of radio kits using the soldering pencil looking thing that came in a wood burning art kit I had. They all worked fine. Ummmmmm, ummmmm. Stained Glass soldering irons start at 100 watts. And up. They more-or-less look like this, bent or straight: http://www.sunshineglass.com/rcol/c-...30h-hex175.jpg Tip Temperature is typically at/near 700F. The old Weller TCP1 irons had heat graded tips -700F seems to be the standard, I've also seen 800F tips. AFAIK: Stained glass windows are held together with plain lead - it requires a much higher temperature than solder. If the iron is as hot as I suspect - it'll probably burn off the flux too quickly. |
differences ? stained glass soldering iron and electrical soldering iron
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differences ? stained glass soldering iron and electricalsoldering iron
On Fri, 20 Jan 2017, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says... AFAIK: Stained glass windows are held together with plain lead - it requires a much higher temperature than solder. If the iron is as hot as I suspect - it'll probably burn off the flux too quickly. I don't know about the big windows, but most of the home built items seem to wrap the edges of the glass with copper foil. Yes. I knew someone forty years ago who wsa doing it that way. I'm not sure when it moved that way, somewhere I got the impression that it had been done some other way in the past. Or maybe the split is that a hobbyist will use copper foil, while for churches, it's something more substantial. Michael |
differences ? stained glass soldering iron and electricalsoldering iron
In article ple.org,
Michael Black wrote: I don't know about the big windows, but most of the home built items seem to wrap the edges of the glass with copper foil. Yes. I knew someone forty years ago who wsa doing it that way. I'm not sure when it moved that way, somewhere I got the impression that it had been done some other way in the past. Or maybe the split is that a hobbyist will use copper foil, while for churches, it's something more substantial. http://www.warner-criv.com/techtips/copper.aspx "The copper foil technique, method made popular by L.C. Tiffany at the turn of the century, involves wrapping the pieces of glass with copper foil and soldering them together along the length of the seams. "Copper foil can be used as an alternative to lead in any instance at the personal preference of the user. It is much stronger than lead when soldered, needs no putty, is waterproof, and allows you to do intricately detailed projects where the bulky look and weight of lead would detract from the aesthetics of a delicate design." According to another page on that site, lead "came" (channel) sometimes comes with a hollow heart into which steel rod can be inserted, to increase its strength. Zinc channels are sometimes used for the same reason. |
differences ? stained glass soldering iron and electrical soldering iron
In article ,
says... Yes. I knew someone forty years ago who wsa doing it that way. I'm not sure when it moved that way, somewhere I got the impression that it had been done some other way in the past. Or maybe the split is that a hobbyist will use copper foil, while for churches, it's something more substantial. http://www.warner-criv.com/techtips/copper.aspx "The copper foil technique, method made popular by L.C. Tiffany at the turn of the century, involves wrapping the pieces of glass with copper foil and soldering them together along the length of the seams. "Copper foil can be used as an alternative to lead in any instance at the personal preference of the user. It is much stronger than lead when soldered, needs no putty, is waterproof, and allows you to do intricately detailed projects where the bulky look and weight of lead would detract from the aesthetics of a delicate design." According to another page on that site, lead "came" (channel) sometimes comes with a hollow heart into which steel rod can be inserted, to increase its strength. Zinc channels are sometimes used for the same reason. Probably can not use lead today as it seems everyone is afraid of lead in the environment. Just looking at it causes all kinds of problems so they say. The solder would have to be lead free too. I did see on one of the web pages that sells the equipment can not send the 50/50 solder to one state and have to send the lead free or maybe the 60/40 type. |
differences ? stained glass soldering iron and electrical soldering iron
"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message k.net... In article , says... Yes. I knew someone forty years ago who wsa doing it that way. I'm not sure when it moved that way, somewhere I got the impression that it had been done some other way in the past. Or maybe the split is that a hobbyist will use copper foil, while for churches, it's something more substantial. http://www.warner-criv.com/techtips/copper.aspx "The copper foil technique, method made popular by L.C. Tiffany at the turn of the century, involves wrapping the pieces of glass with copper foil and soldering them together along the length of the seams. "Copper foil can be used as an alternative to lead in any instance at the personal preference of the user. It is much stronger than lead when soldered, needs no putty, is waterproof, and allows you to do intricately detailed projects where the bulky look and weight of lead would detract from the aesthetics of a delicate design." According to another page on that site, lead "came" (channel) sometimes comes with a hollow heart into which steel rod can be inserted, to increase its strength. Zinc channels are sometimes used for the same reason. Probably can not use lead today as it seems everyone is afraid of lead in the environment. Just looking at it causes all kinds of problems so they say. Archeologists in the UK are still finding old Roman lead water ducting. Many buildings (especially churches) have lead roofs that are lashed by rain and hail that runs into the water table. Theft of lead roofs by scrap metal thieves is a huge problem - I've been told that they can't use other material because they are listed buildings that must be maintained in original condition. There are products that look just like lead roofing, but AFAIK: they're not allowed to use them. The listed building laws probably apply equally to repairing or replacing stained glass windows. |
differences ? stained glass soldering iron and electricalsoldering iron
Weller's 80 watt iron arrived n tried it on 10 Ga with couplers. OK. problem solved no struggle (new iron) apply tip wait solder. No apply n wait maybe today ...with a 40W
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differences ? stained glass soldering iron and electricalsoldering iron
On 01/20/2017 07:14 PM, Michael Black wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2017, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... AFAIK: Stained glass windows are held together with plain lead - it requires a much higher temperature than solder. If the iron is as hot as I suspect - it'll probably burn off the flux too quickly. I don't know about the big windows, but most of the home built items seem to wrap the edges of the glass with copper foil. Yes. I knew someone forty years ago who wsa doing it that way. I'm not sure when it moved that way, somewhere I got the impression that it had been done some other way in the past. Or maybe the split is that a hobbyist will use copper foil, while for churches, it's something more substantial. Michael I grew up in a house with leaded glass windows, and it was really just lead--I had to replace a pane or two, which I did with a knife and some JB Weld or Devcon putty. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net |
differences ? stained glass soldering iron and electrical soldering iron
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