Hi,
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preceded with http://

Does Sony feed a cookie in when using a password and wont download if it
isn't present?
Is that how it works?
Rus

You pay about $300 a year for an ESI subscription and you can download the
documents.

Leonard Caillouet

"rusking" wrote in message
...
Hi,
By typing sony site:http://service-asc.sel.sony.com
into Google I found

[PDF] service-asc.sel.sony.com/SonyESI/pdf/99274090.1/manual.pdf
service-asc.sel.sony.com/
[PDF] service-asc.sel.sony.com/SonyESI/pdf/99654320.1/manual.pdf
[PDF] service-asc.sel.sony.com/SonyESI/pdf/99274050.1/manual.pdf
[PDF] service-asc.sel.sony.com/SonyESI/pdf/99274040.1/manual.pdf
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preceded with http://

Does Sony feed a cookie in when using a password and wont download if it
isn't present?
Is that how it works?
Rus

How much !
$300 a year for downloads!
( probably with a helpline etc. )
Without being able to see what's available first.
Only the big boys can afford that.
More broken Sony **** heading for the landfill sites.
Why don't Sony do the descent thing and allow downloads at say $7 a go ?
We will have to start advising our customers to buy another brand next time.
Russ

"rusking" wrote in message
...
Hi,
By typing sony site:http://service-asc.sel.sony.com
into Google I found

[PDF] service-asc.sel.sony.com/SonyESI/pdf/99274090.1/manual.pdf
service-asc.sel.sony.com/
[PDF] service-asc.sel.sony.com/SonyESI/pdf/99654320.1/manual.pdf

etc.

preceded with http://

Does Sony feed a cookie in when using a password and wont download if it
isn't present?
Is that how it works?
Rus

No $300 a year for the ESI subscription. Includes factory training
information and other information beyond service manuals.

Quite frankly, if you think that $300 is only affordable to the 'big boys'
you are in the wrong business. $300 would be easily paid off in the first 3
Sony big screen repairs.

$300 is paid off in time saved repairing less than 3 Sony smaller items per
month.

$300 is less than one days labor output in a small shop with around three
quality techs.

David



rusking wrote in message
...
How much !
$300 a year for downloads!
( probably with a helpline etc. )
Without being able to see what's available first.
Only the big boys can afford that.
More broken Sony **** heading for the landfill sites.
Why don't Sony do the descent thing and allow downloads at say $7 a go ?
We will have to start advising our customers to buy another brand next
time.
Russ

"rusking" wrote in message
...
Hi,
By typing sony site:http://service-asc.sel.sony.com
into Google I found

[PDF] service-asc.sel.sony.com/SonyESI/pdf/99274090.1/manual.pdf
service-asc.sel.sony.com/
[PDF] service-asc.sel.sony.com/SonyESI/pdf/99654320.1/manual.pdf

etc.

preceded with http://

Does Sony feed a cookie in when using a password and wont download if it
isn't present?
Is that how it works?
Rus

"rusking" wrote in message
...
How much !
$300 a year for downloads!
( probably with a helpline etc. )
Without being able to see what's available first.
Only the big boys can afford that.

I run a small shop with just myself and a trainee that I hope to make into a
real tech. It has easily paid for us.

More broken Sony **** heading for the landfill sites.

No, just to the guys who mke the investment. We do lots of Sony and are
efficient at it. Others who don't do the training and invest in the service
subscription find them near impossible. That's ok with me.

Why don't Sony do the descent thing and allow downloads at say $7 a go ?
We will have to start advising our customers to buy another brand next
time.
Russ


Well, I can see both sides of the issue. The subscription fee does weed
out the less serious servicers, but it also affects the availability of good
service in areas where there are few subscribers. This is less of a problem
for Sony because they have a much larger network of ASCs than many mftrs. A
company like JVC, for instance has bigger holes in its servicer network.
Hitachi gets kudos, IMO, for offering its service support for free to any
shop that signs up on their site. They are getting lots of sales referrals
from servicers for this reason. Could be why they are making a big dent in
Mitsubishi and Toshiba's RPTV share in many markets.

I believe a much bigger issue is the lack of quality training from the
mftrs.

Leonard Caillouet

My point is
if we just want to find the value of a burnt out resistorin a TV
$300 is a bit much for a schematic.
Rus

"Leonard Caillouet" wrote in message
news:BVZqb.405$5e.77@lakeread06...

"rusking" wrote in message
...
How much !
$300 a year for downloads!
( probably with a helpline etc. )
Without being able to see what's available first.
Only the big boys can afford that.

I run a small shop with just myself and a trainee that I hope to make into
a
real tech. It has easily paid for us.

More broken Sony **** heading for the landfill sites.

No, just to the guys who mke the investment. We do lots of Sony and are
efficient at it. Others who don't do the training and invest in the
service
subscription find them near impossible. That's ok with me.

Why don't Sony do the descent thing and allow downloads at say $7 a go ?
We will have to start advising our customers to buy another brand next
time.
Russ


Well, I can see both sides of the issue. The subscription fee does weed
out the less serious servicers, but it also affects the availability of
good
service in areas where there are few subscribers. This is less of a
problem
for Sony because they have a much larger network of ASCs than many mftrs.
A
company like JVC, for instance has bigger holes in its servicer network.
Hitachi gets kudos, IMO, for offering its service support for free to any
shop that signs up on their site. They are getting lots of sales
referrals
from servicers for this reason. Could be why they are making a big dent
in
Mitsubishi and Toshiba's RPTV share in many markets.

I believe a much bigger issue is the lack of quality training from the
mftrs.

Leonard Caillouet

Why not just ask? Someone might be willing to help.

Leonard Caillouet

"rusking" wrote in message
...
My point is
if we just want to find the value of a burnt out resistorin a TV
$300 is a bit much for a schematic.
Rus

"Leonard Caillouet" wrote in message
news:BVZqb.405$5e.77@lakeread06...

"rusking" wrote in message
...
How much !
$300 a year for downloads!
( probably with a helpline etc. )
Without being able to see what's available first.
Only the big boys can afford that.

I run a small shop with just myself and a trainee that I hope to make
into
a
real tech. It has easily paid for us.

More broken Sony **** heading for the landfill sites.

No, just to the guys who mke the investment. We do lots of Sony and are
efficient at it. Others who don't do the training and invest in the
service
subscription find them near impossible. That's ok with me.

Why don't Sony do the descent thing and allow downloads at say $7 a go
?
We will have to start advising our customers to buy another brand next
time.
Russ


Well, I can see both sides of the issue. The subscription fee does
weed
out the less serious servicers, but it also affects the availability of
good
service in areas where there are few subscribers. This is less of a
problem
for Sony because they have a much larger network of ASCs than many
mftrs.
A
company like JVC, for instance has bigger holes in its servicer network.
Hitachi gets kudos, IMO, for offering its service support for free to
any
shop that signs up on their site. They are getting lots of sales
referrals
from servicers for this reason. Could be why they are making a big dent
in
Mitsubishi and Toshiba's RPTV share in many markets.

I believe a much bigger issue is the lack of quality training from the
mftrs.

Leonard Caillouet

On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:22:22 -0000, "rusking"
wrote:

My point is
if we just want to find the value of a burnt out resistorin a TV
$300 is a bit much for a schematic.
Rus

Did you try scraping it down and measuring on either side to get an
idea of the possible value?

Tom