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How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 00:27:22 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
So, my key question is *when* does a mobile device broadcast it's MAC address (BSSID & SSID)? Those have nothing to do with the MAC addresses. And the Mac address of a device ( a wireless card-- that is what a MAC address is the address of) can be changed at will Thank you for trying to help answer the question, as I realize answering such a deeply technical question involves risk - and we need to communicate so that we don't waste time on completely meaningless tangents. First off we have to agree on some terms, and which are meaningful for the purpose of *this* thread: - SSID: This is *not* very meaningful for the purpose of this thread! The SSID is only meaningful in that you can "do things" with your SSID which tell Google to do *other things*, e.g., you can append "_nomac" to the end of the SSID and Google promises to *drop* your information from its databases. But since SSIDs are not generally unique, the SSID is not the focus of *this* discussion. - BSSID: This *is* the focus of this discussion, where each router has *multiple* BSSIDs (aka MAC addresses) and where the focus of this discussion is *only* on the one unique MAC address that is transmitted in companion with the SSID of an access point! It's critical that you understand that your statement is patently incorrect that the router MAC addresses that *Google* is collecting using your neighbor's Android device are easily cloned. The MAC addresses that Google is collecting using your neighbor's poorly configured Android cellphone are *not* easily changed (you have one per each radio, e.g., 2.4GHz and 5GHz, for example). These radio access point MAC addresses are NOT easily cloned! This has been covered in this newsgroup in detail in the past. However, even if the router's MAC address could be cloned (it can't, at least not without desoldering and other heroic actions), it *still* would be collected by your neighbor's poorly configured Android device. So, it doesn't matter that you can't clone the MAC address that Google is collecting by using your neighbor's Android device to automatically send that information to Google periodically during the day. The fact is that all poorly configured Android devices are automatically sending Google throughout the day *your* MAC address of your router. NOTE: While I'm completely aware that turning off SSID broadcast is possible (and that it's not useful for security), we are assuming for this purpose that the SSID is broadcast by the router. Does a mobile device broadcast its MAC address when acting as a hotspot, for example? No. I realize you are trying to help - but I must be blunt, since this *is* the critical question. Since this *is* the critical question, a simple "No" is not enough, especially since your previous statements in this post show that you misunderstood completely the question and the situation. I'm sorry if that sounds mean, but, a simple "No" is not believable under those two circumstances. The correct answer might still be "No", but you don't understand the question yet, nor the technical situation, so a "No" all by itself doesn't help. My key question is *when* does an Android cellphone broadcast the MAC but most people get all hung up about MAC addresses - so I'll dumb down the question to ask "When does an Android cellphone broadcast an SSID?". Q: Under what conditions does an Android cellphone broadcast an SSID? NOTE: I don't care about the SSID - I care about the MAC - but people get hung up about MAC addresses so I'll ask it in the simpler form. |
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How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on theInternet
Horace Algier wrote:
I'll dumb down the question Doesn't matter if the hat says "Alice J", "Aardvarks" or "Horace", people don't want to go over the same ground again ... |
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How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on the Internet
Horace Algier ... oops I mean "Aardvarks"... oops I
mean "Paul M. Cook"... oops I mean "VPN User"... oops I mean "Joe Clock"... oops I mean "Marob Katon" ... oops I mean "Chris Rangoon"... wrote: My key question is *when* does an Android cellphone broadcast the MAC but most people get all hung up about MAC addresses - so I'll dumb down the question to ask "When does an Android cellphone broadcast an SSID?". Q: Under what conditions does an Android cellphone broadcast an SSID? NOTE: I don't care about the SSID - I care about the MAC - but people get hung up about MAC addresses so I'll ask it in the simpler form. You don't ask a dumbed down question, but a dumb question and your 'question' isn't a question, but a false statement. HTH. |
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How to look up the GPS location of your MAC address or car on theInternet
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 08:54:56 +0100, Frank Slootweg
wrote: Horace Algier ... oops I mean "Aardvarks"... oops I mean "Paul M. Cook"... oops I mean "VPN User"... oops I mean "Joe Clock"... oops I mean "Marob Katon" ... oops I mean "Chris Rangoon"... wrote: My key question is *when* does an Android cellphone broadcast the MAC but most people get all hung up about MAC addresses - so I'll dumb down the question to ask "When does an Android cellphone broadcast an SSID?". Q: Under what conditions does an Android cellphone broadcast an SSID? NOTE: I don't care about the SSID - I care about the MAC - but people get hung up about MAC addresses so I'll ask it in the simpler form. You don't ask a dumbed down question, but a dumb question and your 'question' isn't a question, but a false statement. HTH. It's a xposting troll. -- Bah, and indeed, Humbug |
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