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Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop?
Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one?
It seems like there are mostly hobbiest types on here or consumer types looking for a quick answer to a complex problem. Stuff like "no picture, blown fuse, won't come on...ect..." Can we diverse this group into a real tech group so professionals can help each other? I don't have the time to teach basic electronics and work professionaly as a TV tech. I would like to exchange thoughts, ideas, problems and fixes with other real technicians. Do we need to start a new group for this? Most of these consumer or hobbiest types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to enable any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop owner and TV tech is labeled as a thief and a crook by most of these people. Well if it were easy, everyone would be able to fix their own TV. So, any real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles? Let's help each other so we can help others and erase the bad complex about us all being thieves and crooks! |
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Hey Jack, I see you splattered this crap over several boards. I guess that
makes you not only a potential thief and crook, but also, a definite dumbass. (and as posted elsewhere, a Troll). Don |
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With a attitude like that...your group will die off pretty quickly. Without
new "stupid" blood, that need knowledgeable people to help them along......there will be no one left in the hobby. Instead of sitting around as a group bitching about the fact the Radio Shack no longer sells components...and that manufacturers no longer sell schematics, or make machines that can be fixed instead of throwing out, maybe groups like this can help keep the hobby alive. Go ahead and make you little group of "skilled professionals"...it'll be pretty boring....since all of you will be so skilled, no one will need to ask any questions...or will you all be on such a high plane of existence that you will all be communicating telepathically?. Kim "Jack" wrote in message news:Oc_lb.29199$iq3.7301@okepread01... Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one? It seems like there are mostly hobbiest types on here or consumer types looking for a quick answer to a complex problem. Stuff like "no picture, blown fuse, won't come on...ect..." Can we diverse this group into a real tech group so professionals can help each other? I don't have the time to teach basic electronics and work professionaly as a TV tech. I would like to exchange thoughts, ideas, problems and fixes with other real technicians. Do we need to start a new group for this? Most of these consumer or hobbiest types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to enable any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop owner and TV tech is labeled as a thief and a crook by most of these people. Well if it were easy, everyone would be able to fix their own TV. So, any real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles? Let's help each other so we can help others and erase the bad complex about us all being thieves and crooks! |
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I dunno what it takes to start a newsgroup, but I've also though about this.
Strictly advanced troubleshooting. I know this NG is way too busy and there are basically a few ways to fix it. One way would be for the real techs to use a subject line that we all recognize. Another might be to actually start a new NG something like: alt.advanced.brownware.techsonly.info. Give the people about 5 levels to go through. Of course any of us could come back here, offer up anything we have the time for for the novice, or even the consumer. We could also weed out the real techs and tell them about the special header or the other NG. A few people in here do spend some time telling people to forget about fixing it themselves, I among them. I was also thinking about a website with information on how to get into the service menu on newer sets, but the people around here pretty much talked me out of it. Nobody wants to fight the circuitry and then find that their conclusions were wrong because somebody screwed up the settings. Now if we could protect such a site, even by just having a wierd URL and not registering it with Google etc., no metanames, none of that, we might be safe. When I posted that idea, someone suggested that I might even get sued, not by a manufacturer, but by a customer that screwed his TV up ! In today's day and age it is possible. Too bad I don't drink McDonalds coffee or I might be a milionaire ! As a tech, you know what you changed and what it affects, ergo you know what settings to modify, but to order a sevice manual just for that is not cost effective unless you see alot of that unit. We troubleshoot by getting the pinout of the ICs etc., and have at it. A saw my first Advent TV and couldn't for the life of me get the pinout of the chopper IC, then I found out at the time the website wasn't well protected and just anyone could DL the print. Unfortunately they have fixed that. Why ? If the customer has a look at a print for a modern set he is almost sure to take it into a shop for service. As for your question, yes, I am a real tech who works for a real shop. I would love not to have my posts six pages down in two days. How about : alt.voltages.waveforms.readings.intemittents.help. advanced ? We would just have to tell each other about it. JURB |
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You know, electronics is a profession for few and a hobby for many...
sometimes we do have to ask what others see as a stupid question. Life is a quest for knowledge, it would appear that Jack here is too selfish to share the TINY amount of knowledge that he may possess... Get a freaking life... If you don't have the time to deal with non-professional questions, don't answer them... Quit the ****ing and Moaning! J On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:53:51 -0400, "Neil" wrote: With a attitude like that...your group will die off pretty quickly. Without new "stupid" blood, that need knowledgeable people to help them along......there will be no one left in the hobby. Instead of sitting around as a group bitching about the fact the Radio Shack no longer sells components...and that manufacturers no longer sell schematics, or make machines that can be fixed instead of throwing out, maybe groups like this can help keep the hobby alive. Go ahead and make you little group of "skilled professionals"...it'll be pretty boring....since all of you will be so skilled, no one will need to ask any questions...or will you all be on such a high plane of existence that you will all be communicating telepathically?. Kim "Jack" wrote in message news:Oc_lb.29199$iq3.7301@okepread01... Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one? It seems like there are mostly hobbiest types on here or consumer types looking for a quick answer to a complex problem. Stuff like "no picture, blown fuse, won't come on...ect..." Can we diverse this group into a real tech group so professionals can help each other? I don't have the time to teach basic electronics and work professionaly as a TV tech. I would like to exchange thoughts, ideas, problems and fixes with other real technicians. Do we need to start a new group for this? Most of these consumer or hobbiest types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to enable any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop owner and TV tech is labeled as a thief and a crook by most of these people. Well if it were easy, everyone would be able to fix their own TV. So, any real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles? Let's help each other so we can help others and erase the bad complex about us all being thieves and crooks! |
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"Jack" wrote in message news:Oc_lb.29199$iq3.7301@okepread01... Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one? It seems like there are mostly hobbiest types on here or consumer types looking for a quick answer to a complex problem. Stuff like "no picture, blown fuse, won't come on...ect..." Can we diverse this group into a real tech group so professionals can help each other? I don't have the time to teach basic electronics and work professionaly as a TV tech. I would like to exchange thoughts, ideas, problems and fixes with other real technicians. Do we need to start a new group for this? Most of these consumer or hobbiest types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to enable any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop owner and TV tech is labeled as a thief and a crook by most of these people. Well if it were easy, everyone would be able to fix their own TV. So, any real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles? Let's help each other so we can help others and erase the bad complex about us all being thieves and crooks! There's lots of "real" techs on here, your attitude doesn't exactly inspire confidence from the hobbiests though. |
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I don't know of anybody that was born with this kind of technical knowledge
or experience. The only way to get to the level you're talking of is to ask stupid questions and make stupid mistakes. Any tech who says that they were never like this is a liar. I don't mind answering questions regardless of how stupid. I do get fed up with the attitude of those that believe that all that is needed is a soldering iron. These are usually the ones that complain the most because they don't believe that troubleshooting is a skill and that an understanding of electronics is a necessity. There are quite a few people like that on this group and I won't help them. I figure that letting them screw it up more will require them to bring it in for service where the real tech will ultimately ask what creature has been brandishing a blowtorch against the boards or who has been demonstrating their knowledge of the deadly short circuit technique. It's quite an awakening for them when they find that their technical skills has tripled the cost of the repair. But there are those that never learn..... This forum is fine. I have little problems with it. And I enjoy helping those who respect the trade and are interested, even as a hobbiest. "Jack" wrote in message news:Oc_lb.29199$iq3.7301@okepread01... Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one? It seems like there are mostly hobbiest types on here or consumer types looking for a quick answer to a complex problem. Stuff like "no picture, blown fuse, won't come on...ect..." Can we diverse this group into a real tech group so professionals can help each other? I don't have the time to teach basic electronics and work professionaly as a TV tech. I would like to exchange thoughts, ideas, problems and fixes with other real technicians. Do we need to start a new group for this? Most of these consumer or hobbiest types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to enable any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop owner and TV tech is labeled as a thief and a crook by most of these people. Well if it were easy, everyone would be able to fix their own TV. So, any real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles? Let's help each other so we can help others and erase the bad complex about us all being thieves and crooks! |
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You might try the Techassist or Anatek listserves if you want to avoid the
consumer questions. You will still find a lot of dumb posts, but none from consumers and hobbiests. There are hundreds of techs that work together to solve problems and share information daily. With your attitude you will be a prime candidate for my delete file, however. By the way, the rep that our profession has for crooks and thieves is well deserved. There are relatively few techs that I know who would make the cut in my shop in terms of ethics or ability, and few shops that I would recommend. You make this better by being open and honest with consumers and giving them good advice, not avoiding them. One of the things that makes a good tech IMO is the ability to relate positively with even the most stupid, arrogant, or demanding consumers and make them into loyal customers by giving them a good value in service. Leonard Caillouet "Jack" wrote in message news:Oc_lb.29199$iq3.7301@okepread01... Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one? It seems like there are mostly hobbiest types on here or consumer types looking for a quick answer to a complex problem. Stuff like "no picture, blown fuse, won't come on...ect..." Can we diverse this group into a real tech group so professionals can help each other? I don't have the time to teach basic electronics and work professionaly as a TV tech. I would like to exchange thoughts, ideas, problems and fixes with other real technicians. Do we need to start a new group for this? Most of these consumer or hobbiest types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to enable any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop owner and TV tech is labeled as a thief and a crook by most of these people. Well if it were easy, everyone would be able to fix their own TV. So, any real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles? Let's help each other so we can help others and erase the bad complex about us all being thieves and crooks! |
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ya know, one day I hope I meet you looking for directions in a foregin
country, I'll just tell you to ask a travel agent, make sure you take your AMEX card with you Blah!! "Jack" wrote in message news:Oc_lb.29199$iq3.7301@okepread01... Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one? It seems like there are mostly hobbiest types on here or consumer types looking for a quick answer to a complex problem. Stuff like "no picture, blown fuse, won't come on...ect..." Can we diverse this group into a real tech group so professionals can help each other? I don't have the time to teach basic electronics and work professionaly as a TV tech. I would like to exchange thoughts, ideas, problems and fixes with other real technicians. Do we need to start a new group for this? Most of these consumer or hobbiest types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to enable any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop owner and TV tech is labeled as a thief and a crook by most of these people. Well if it were easy, everyone would be able to fix their own TV. So, any real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles? Let's help each other so we can help others and erase the bad complex about us all being thieves and crooks! |
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Hay Jack my tv blows a fuse . i got a box of fuses and it blew all 6 of
them so i put a nail in the fuse holder and it started smoking and now there there is no picture . Whats wrong ? i am a profeshunal tv teknishun . |
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(Ken G.) writes: Hay Jack my tv blows a fuse . i got a box of fuses and it blew all 6 of them so i put a nail in the fuse holder and it started smoking and now there there is no picture . Whats wrong ? i am a profeshunal tv teknishun . Wrong type nail. --- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ Home Page: http://www.repairfaq.org/ Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/lasersam.htm | Mirror Site Info: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_mirror.html Important: The email address in this message header may no longer work. To contact me, please use the Feedback Form at repairfaq.org. Thanks. |
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:16:19 -0500, "Jack" put
finger to keyboard and composed: Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one? It seems like there are mostly hobbiest types on here or consumer types looking for a quick answer to a complex problem. Stuff like "no picture, blown fuse, won't come on...ect..." Can we diverse this group into a real tech group so professionals can help each other? I don't have the time to teach basic electronics and work professionaly as a TV tech. I would like to exchange thoughts, ideas, problems and fixes with other real technicians. Do we need to start a new group for this? Most of these consumer or hobbiest types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to enable any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop owner and TV tech is labeled as a thief and a crook by most of these people. Well if it were easy, everyone would be able to fix their own TV. So, any real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles? Let's help each other so we can help others and erase the bad complex about us all being thieves and crooks! I don't think there is any need for a new group or forum. There are enough professional technicians participating in this group to make it worthwhile as it is. However, I do sympathize with you to some extent, especially when one sees posts from people who are obviously out of their depth. I think the best approach for these newcomers is to direct them to the Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ, with appropriate disclaimers, warnings, etc, etc. In my own case I've posted basic (possibly ignorant?) questions to other newsgroups and have generally been treated kindly by the knowledgeable regulars. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email. |
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"Ken G." wrote in message ... Hay Jack my tv blows a fuse . i got a box of fuses and it blew all 6 of them so i put a nail in the fuse holder and it started smoking and now there there is no picture . Whats wrong ? i am a profeshunal tv teknishun . Ken Haven't you learned any thing yet? You use a COATED nail. They have higher resistance and act as a variac so you can trouble shoot with out smoke. Warren |
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Sounds like you got a bad batch of fuses. They're all shorted. Go to the
fuse mfgr and tell them that their crappy shorted fuses destroyed your tv and that you want them to replace the tv because the fuses shorted it out. It must be the fuse because the nail doesn't blow out. "Ken G." wrote in message ... Hay Jack my tv blows a fuse . i got a box of fuses and it blew all 6 of them so i put a nail in the fuse holder and it started smoking and now there there is no picture . Whats wrong ? i am a profeshunal tv teknishun . |
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I agree with chris i had some bad fuses that would only alow current
to flow through them if i wrapped foil around them so I think you have something to go on. I never tried a nail sounds like a good idea though...... On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:08:08 GMT, "Chris" wrote: Sounds like you got a bad batch of fuses. They're all shorted. Go to the fuse mfgr and tell them that their crappy shorted fuses destroyed your tv and that you want them to replace the tv because the fuses shorted it out. It must be the fuse because the nail doesn't blow out. "Ken G." wrote in message ... Hay Jack my tv blows a fuse . i got a box of fuses and it blew all 6 of them so i put a nail in the fuse holder and it started smoking and now there there is no picture . Whats wrong ? i am a profeshunal tv teknishun . |
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Regards, Dave Moore Products Foundry Support http://www.productsfoundry.com/ Innovative and ever improving software. "Jack" wrote in message news:Oc_lb.29199$iq3.7301@okepread01... Are there any real techs on here that work for a real shop or own one? It seems like there are mostly hobbiest types on here or consumer types looking for a quick answer to a complex problem. Stuff like "no picture, blown fuse, won't come on...ect..." Can we diverse this group into a real tech group so professionals can help each other? I don't have the time to teach basic electronics and work professionaly as a TV tech. I would like to exchange thoughts, ideas, problems and fixes with other real technicians. Do we need to start a new group for this? Most of these consumer or hobbiest types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to enable any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop owner and TV tech is labeled as a thief and a crook by most of these people. Well if it were easy, everyone would be able to fix their own TV. So, any real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles? Let's help each other so we can help others and erase the bad complex about us all being thieves and crooks! |
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"real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the
eagles? Let's help each other so we can help others ...." That sounds like a really good idea - Anybody upto creating a new group, or may be even a paid-subscription only group ? Filled with service resources, electronics service manuals, tech tips, etc. ??? 'nControl!® Service Management Software http://www.servicersolutions.com |
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"'nControl!? Service Software - www.ServicerSolutions.com" wrote in message om... "real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles? Let's help each other so we can help others ...." That sounds like a really good idea - Anybody upto creating a new group, or may be even a paid-subscription only group ? Filled with service resources, electronics service manuals, tech tips, etc. ??? 'nControl!® Service Management Software http://www.servicersolutions.com Well there's some groups on yahoogroups, I haven't checked them out yet, but it'd be easy enough to boot out anyone who shouldn't be there. |
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There are already quite a few out there.
Try Techassist or Anatek for a couple of listserves that are more useful. Leonard Caillouet "'nControl!? Service Software - www.ServicerSolutions.com" wrote in message om... "real techs want to rise up out of this group and soar with the eagles? Let's help each other so we can help others ...." That sounds like a really good idea - Anybody upto creating a new group, or may be even a paid-subscription only group ? Filled with service resources, electronics service manuals, tech tips, etc. ??? 'nControl!® Service Management Software http://www.servicersolutions.com |
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Hay Jack my tv blows a fuse . i got a box of fuses and it blew all 6 of them so i put a nail in the fuse holder and it started smoking and now there there is no picture . Whats wrong ? i am a profeshunal tv teknishun . There's no problem....just tune it for maximum smoke. :-) |
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Yupper, but now days those majic smoke installers are mighty expensive
mate!! Eh!! "Daniel L. Belton" wrote in message ... On 16-Nov-2003, wrote: Hay Jack my tv blows a fuse . i got a box of fuses and it blew all 6 of them so i put a nail in the fuse holder and it started smoking and now there there is no picture . Whats wrong ? i am a profeshunal tv teknishun . There's no problem....just tune it for maximum smoke. :-) The problem is that you have no let all of the magic smoke out of the tv. it needs to have the smoke replaced to be able to work again. |
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