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Calling all CD repair experts!
This is my first in depth CD repair and I have the following questions:
I have the above unit, that won't play CD's. I have replaced the laser mech and still have the same fault.
The CD will 'twitch' but not run up to speed.
Using service mode I am monitoring the output from pin 62 IC802 and it never seems to go low (thus powering the laser).
Clock, data, CS and all Vcc lines are correct and the chip is being told to turn on from the processor.
I have also checked the operation of TR806.
Has anyone had experience of these IC's failing or is there another possible cause?
Please let me know if I have missed anything!
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Are you sure the drive motor is good? If it is 'twitching' as you suggest, it just may be bad. I expect it is a Hall Effect motor with the speed fixed by the clock. So, either the motor or the clock should be on your list of suspects. Do you get output to the motor?

This is, after all, a mini-system, and so may not be as rugged or as easily serviced as a stand-alone CD player.

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Are you sure the drive motor is good? If it is 'twitching' as you suggest, it just may be bad. I expect it is a Hall Effect motor with the speed fixed by the clock. So, either the motor or the clock should be on your list of suspects. Do you get output to the motor?

This is, after all, a mini-system, and so may not be as rugged or as easily serviced as a stand-alone CD player.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA


Thanks for the reply. I have replaced the entire CD mechanism and so have replaced the motor. I believe that the sequence is as follows:
1. Laser turns on
2. Focus adjustment
3. Motor will start if focus is OK, PLL is OK and RF output is present.
I have clock (from the chip). Focus is active (lens moves) but I have no RF and the APC of the chip is not going low.
Can happily email schematic and datasheet is it would help.
Regards, Rupert
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Check the motor driver IC. I have had these go bad from faulty motors. With the mechanism replacement, you now have a new motor, but not a new driver IC.

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Calling all CD repair experts!
This is my first in depth CD repair and I have the following questions:
I have the above unit, that won't play CD's. I have replaced the laser mech
and still have the same fault.
The CD will 'twitch' but not run up to speed.
Using service mode I am monitoring the output from pin 62 IC802 and it never
seems to go low (thus powering the laser).
Clock, data, CS and all Vcc lines are correct and the chip is being told to
turn on from the processor.
I have also checked the operation of TR806.
Has anyone had experience of these IC's failing or is there another possible
cause?
Please let me know if I have missed anything!
Regards,
Rupert




Where did you get the mech from and how much did you pay for it?

I've bought many lasers from ebay that just don't work. That's why they
are so cheap and on Ebay.



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On Monday, 13 June 2016 19:34:38 UTC+1, wrote:
Check the motor driver IC. I have had these go bad from faulty motors. With the mechanism replacement, you now have a new motor, but not a new driver IC.

Dan


Thanks Dan,
The motor is driven from the analog signal processor that I was asking about, but as the motor does move I guess that it is getting some signals?
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Calling all CD repair experts!
This is my first in depth CD repair and I have the following questions:
I have the above unit, that won't play CD's. I have replaced the laser mech
and still have the same fault.
The CD will 'twitch' but not run up to speed.
Using service mode I am monitoring the output from pin 62 IC802 and it never
seems to go low (thus powering the laser).
Clock, data, CS and all Vcc lines are correct and the chip is being told to
turn on from the processor.
I have also checked the operation of TR806.
Has anyone had experience of these IC's failing or is there another possible
cause?
Please let me know if I have missed anything!
Regards,
Rupert




Where did you get the mech from and how much did you pay for it?

I've bought many lasers from ebay that just don't work. That's why they
are so cheap and on Ebay.



Gareth.


Hi Gareth,
The motor was from ebay but from a supplier that I have used before and not had any problems with. What are the chances of replacing a unit and having exactly the same fault as the origional? Thanks for the idea though I am not ruleing anything out at the moment!
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The motor is driven from the analog signal processor that I was asking about, but as the motor does move I guess that it is getting some signals?


Look at the BA6287F IC. This is hte motor driver IC and is separate from the signal processor. The signal processor will trigger the driver, but the driver itself may be the problem. If the driver has been weakened or damaged because of a bad motor, it may not be able to drive the new one either.

The way these work is that the CD needs to spin up to a certain speed in a particular period of time, before the focus takes place and an attempt to read the TOC happens. If you are just getting a short shake of the CD, I would start with the motor driver.

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On Monday, 13 June 2016 19:38:25 UTC+1, Gareth Magennis wrote:
"rupert handford" wrote in message
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Calling all CD repair experts!
This is my first in depth CD repair and I have the following questions:
I have the above unit, that won't play CD's. I have replaced the laser
mech
and still have the same fault.
The CD will 'twitch' but not run up to speed.
Using service mode I am monitoring the output from pin 62 IC802 and it
never
seems to go low (thus powering the laser).
Clock, data, CS and all Vcc lines are correct and the chip is being told
to
turn on from the processor.
I have also checked the operation of TR806.
Has anyone had experience of these IC's failing or is there another
possible
cause?
Please let me know if I have missed anything!
Regards,
Rupert




Where did you get the mech from and how much did you pay for it?

I've bought many lasers from ebay that just don't work. That's why they
are so cheap and on Ebay.



Gareth.


Hi Gareth,
The motor was from ebay but from a supplier that I have used before and not
had any problems with. What are the chances of replacing a unit and having
exactly the same fault as the origional? Thanks for the idea though I am not
ruleing anything out at the moment!







Those chances are IMHO reasonable. There is a lot of fake ****e out there.

Think Occam's razor before suspecting pin blah blah on IC blah.



Gareth.



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And I assume you have removed the soldered safety short that is shipped with
a new laser pickup before trying to use it?


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On Monday, 13 June 2016 21:52:24 UTC+1, wrote:
The motor is driven from the analog signal processor that I was asking about, but as the motor does move I guess that it is getting some signals?


Look at the BA6287F IC. This is hte motor driver IC and is separate from the signal processor. The signal processor will trigger the driver, but the driver itself may be the problem. If the driver has been weakened or damaged because of a bad motor, it may not be able to drive the new one either..

The way these work is that the CD needs to spin up to a certain speed in a particular period of time, before the focus takes place and an attempt to read the TOC happens. If you are just getting a short shake of the CD, I would start with the motor driver.


Thanks for the reply. Is this routine particular to Denon as I was working on the startup sequence (as follows) from http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/cdfaq.htm#cdstupseq

1. Drawer closes.
2. Interlock (if present) engages.
3. Pickup resets to starting (index).
4. Laser is turned on and focus search routine is started.
5. Disc starts spinning up to 500 rpm and Constant Linear Velocity (CLV) servo is activated.
6. Tracking servo is activated to maintain laser beam centered on track.
7. At this point, data is available for digital processing.
8. Disc directory is read and displayed.

Thus I am assuming that if I get no output to turn on the laser then I will fail focus (I can not find an external focus OK on the driver). Without focus then the disk will not start. This is what is confusing me as I believed that to spin the pre-requirements were that focus is locked and there is a clock present ready to phase lock with the data coming from the disk.

Would love to hear your comments and thoughts on this as I may have the whole thing wrong in my mind.

Regards,
Rupert
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On Monday, 13 June 2016 22:17:01 UTC+1, Gareth Magennis wrote:
And I assume you have removed the soldered safety short that is shipped with
a new laser pickup before trying to use it?


Gareth.


Yes, I did remove the solder blob when I installed the replacement.
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I don't know about this particular system, but some attempt to spin the disk PRIOR to the focus. The laser can detect its reflection without needing to be in focus. You may not see the focus attempt before the spinning.

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I don't know about this particular system, but some attempt to spin the disk PRIOR to the focus. The laser can detect its reflection without needing to be in focus. You may not see the focus attempt before the spinning.

Dan


Thanks Dan,
Very interesting - I have ordered both the driver and the ASP from Denon.
Will update the post when I get the spares.
Best regards,
Rupert
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