On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 6:09:41 PM UTC-5, Ignoramus13634 wrote in rec.crafts.metalworking:
I have the same Bolens snowblower with the same behavior. I did not
even realize that I had a problem.

Furthermore, I think that you just made your snow blower unsafe to
use.

It is supposed to stop blowing, or moving, if you let go of the
handle. That's a behavior that makes it very easy to stop if something
happens. Dead man safe, so to speak.

Good point. Like removing the guard on a lawn-mower or a saw.

I don't get quite where you're coming from here, I'm sure it is off topic but since we're here...

Safety is an anaethma to me. I think seat belts and air bags in cars should be illegal. Instead put big spikes in the dash on the driver's side so that if the stupid **** doesn't watch where he's going and hits something he gets impaled. This will cure the assholes who think proper following distance is one inch per hundred miles per hour. Of course the doors are reinforced with I beams and sbit so if you get Tboned you're alright.

Guards on saws. First of all, a guard on a table saw is the worst goddam thing ever. Second of all, if you are so clumsy or infirm that you might fall on that blade or stupid enough to stick your hand on it, should you REALLY be doing carpentry ?

Even worse are those saws with the electronic brake that stops the blade in microseconds if your hand touches it. Now what happens when someone gets used to one of those and then later has to use a saw without that "feature". That "feature" might make them stupid enough to cut their hand off on a normal saw. What's more, electronics do break down, no question. Otherwise this newsgroup would not be here. So if that little sensor or solenoid stops working and someone cuts their hand off on a saw YOU guaranteed would NOT cut their hand off, guess who gets a bunch of money.

That's right, the lawyers.

Then you get a structured setlement from a class action lawsuit, and then sell that settlement to J G Wentworth for half its value and in the end, the culpable party never paid a dime. You just borrowed the interest on it. The stupidity of all this ****is overwhelming, really. In the only country to put a Man on the moon. Really, the only country to produce an extraterrestrial, albeit for a short time. But hey, even ET eventually went home right ? (never saw it)

I used to be one of the best TV techs, and I can tell you that in the nbame of safety there is more **** in there that stops it from working than makes it work ! Reality is it makes it alot harder to troubleshoot sometimes. Increases repair costs, which is good for the manufacturer. In the old days, when the TV didn't have a good picture and was billowing smoke we would generally turn it off and call the TV Man. (well, we used to fix all of our own stuff, seriously) But that was common sense. People watched the TV. They watched their show, or there was a movie on that they found out about from the PAPER TV guide. Starts at eight, we'll turn the TV on at about 7:30 and let it get goood and warmed up. Then when the credits roll at the end we turn it off. We don't lock all the kids in a room with ****ing Sponge Bob all day. That breeds more idiots.

We used to spend time with kids. Kids cannot learn from other kids, they must learn from adults.

And that is the fucvking problem, literally. Fucing makes kids, and the wrong people are ****ing. the useless biomass is reproducing alot faster than us useful Men and Women. The useless are ****ing up this world and I am all for not saving them from their fate anymore. Let Darwin's theory prevail, really.

Come on, if you but an RV ith cruise control there is a sticker that says "When using the cruise control you must still steer the vehicle" because someone took it as they could set the cruise control and go in the back, and probaably **** to make another piece of biomass that should have been recycled before it was born for all the good it would do the human race.

Doesn't anyone think of contributing to human knowledge ? To the betterment of the human condition ? Even the betterment of humanity at all ?

I think we need to either start steriliing people or putting them in chastity belts or something. Well thre Norplany might be workable. God damn, we got seven BILLION people. Tha tis too much. Our food is from overproduced land and is thus has its mineral content diluted and that is causing a ****load of diseases. When are we going to learn ?

So basically, I support letting Bubba die when he says "Hey y'all watch this". I support things being unsafe. Use the dead as an example to the young so aybe they get smart. If not, off with their hand or heads or whatever. Consequenses teach the best, so without consequenses, what happens ?

Now mind you I am not tlaking out of a lack of experience here. I have been shot in the face, I have rolled a van all the way across a hole of a golf course, I have had my ass totally kicked by three dudes, I have had my head go through the windshield of a 197 Pontiac Grand Prix, but if I had been wearing a seat belt I would be in a wheechair now because the people in the back hit the seat moving it so far forward that I could not reach the door handle.

Safety my ****ing ass, they make more money is more like it. just like a motorcycle, if my head hits the ground at 85 MPH, I would rsather be dead. Done with it.

On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 12:35:01 PM UTC-8, wrote:

Then you get a structured setlement from a class action lawsuit, and then sell that settlement to J G Wentworth for half its value and in the end, the culpable party never paid a dime. You just borrowed the interest on it.


The plaintiff could have gotten a lump sum settlement, but he CHOSE to
receive money EVERY YEAR he was alive. Going to Wentworth means he
gives up money that was supposed to make his life more comfortable.

Most jurors are cynical, and are not about to give injured people
a windfall for no reason, by the way.


We used to spend time with kids. Kids cannot learn from other kids, they must learn from adults.


I generally support that parents should spend more time with their kids.
My parents had their own business, so they didn't have a normal 8-5. They
prioritized putting food on our table and a roof over our heads.

And kids learn things from other kids that they cannot learn from adults.
How to deal with assholes, or psychopaths, for example. Where their rights
end and the other guy's begins. What their natural talents are, based
on what their peers think of them.
So basically, I support letting Bubba die when he says "Hey y'all watch this". I support things being unsafe. Use the dead as an example to the young so aybe they get smart. If not, off with their hand or heads or whatever. Consequenses teach the best, so without consequenses, what happens ?


Consequences can be learned best when kids are on their own or with other
kids, without parents to deflect consequences.

Can't disagree much. Do you think schools are a good medium for this ? I have started to think that schools, at least government run schools are no good.

There is no way to do an A/B comparison, but the statistical evidence is whelming. Not quite overwhelming but quite solid to say the least.

On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 1:28:07 AM UTC-5, wrote:
Can't disagree much. Do you think schools are a good medium for this ? I
have started to think that schools, at least government run schools
are no good.

There is no way to do an A/B comparison, but the statistical
evidence is whelming. Not quite overwhelming but quite solid to say the least.

Well, to start with, no school is 100%. Secondly, government-run schools can at-least have regulators there to "stop some of the bad stuff" by law. Yet,
non-government run schools might have the freedom to let trouble continue. You never know.

At least there is recourse with public schools. That's what I mean.

On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 3:35:01 PM UTC-5, wrote:
I don't get quite where you're coming from here, I'm sure it is off topic but since we're here...

Safety is an anaethma to me. I think seat belts and air bags in cars
should be illegal. Instead put big spikes in the dash on the driver's
side so that if the stupid **** doesn't watch where he's going and
hits something he gets impaled. This will cure the assholes who think
proper following distance is one inch per hundred miles per hour. Of
course the doors are reinforced with I beams and sbit so if you get
Tboned you're alright.

Well, really. If car seatbelts are done away with, then school buses might also do away with theirs. Then, you can only imagine the fallout. So there's no chance seatbelts are going away.

Guards on saws. First of all, a guard on a table saw is the worst
goddam thing ever.

Safety technology has improved for table saws. The saw mechanism can actually sense when it is no longer cutting wood and is about to cut a finger or arm, etc... and it will stop cutting just in time.
-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esnQwVZOrUU

Second of all, if you are so clumsy or infirm that you might fall on
that blade or stupid enough to stick your hand on it, should you
REALLY be doing carpentry ?

Right or wrong, I still don't believe landlord's going to go for that one.

Even worse are those saws with the electronic brake that stops the blade in microseconds if your hand touches it. Now what happens when someone gets used to one of those and then later has to use a saw without that "feature". That "feature" might make them stupid enough to cut their hand off on a normal saw. What's more, electronics do break down, no question. Otherwise this newsgroup would not be here. So if that little sensor or solenoid stops working and someone cuts their hand off on a saw YOU guaranteed would NOT cut their hand off, guess who gets a bunch of money.

That's right, the lawyers.

And who said everything is 100% guaranteed? Guards on saws and mowers, etc.... at least "look" safe, right? Not only that, at least an honest attempt was made.

Then you get a structured setlement from a class action
lawsuit, and then sell that settlement to J G Wentworth

Not just them. Your local financial district has plenty of other financial advisors, some better, some worse.

for half its value and in the end, the culpable party never
paid a dime. You just borrowed the interest on it. The
stupidity of all this ****is overwhelming, really. In the only country to put a Man on the moon. Really, the only country to produce an extraterrestrial, albeit for a short time. But hey, even ET eventually went home right ? (never saw it)

I used to be one of the best TV techs,

Right, but then again, everyone says that about themselves, right?

and I can tell you that in the nbame of safety there is more
**** in there that stops it from working than makes it

They said that about transmission systems in the auto industry back in the late '60s with pollution controls.

work ! Reality is it makes it alot harder to troubleshoot
sometimes. Increases repair costs, which is good for the
manufacturer. In the old days, when the TV didn't have a good picture and was billowing smoke we would generally turn it off and call the TV Man. (well, we used to fix all of our own stuff, seriously) But that was common sense. People watched the TV. They watched their show, or there was a movie on that they found out about from the PAPER TV guide. Starts at eight, we'll turn the TV on at about 7:30 and let it get goood and warmed up. Then when
the credits roll at the end we turn it off. We don't lock all the
kids in a room with ****ing Sponge Bob all day. That breeds more
idiots.

I think the logic is that idiots are going to result no matter what's done. I think they lock them up with their smartphones, now. They're video games, cable TVs and computers and who-knows-what-else, all-in-one, now.

We used to spend time with kids. Kids cannot learn from
other kids, they must learn from adults.

Hopefully, yes.

And that is the fucvking problem, literally. Fucing makes kids, and the wrong people are ****ing.

And even then, the right people may become wrong too, five minutes later.

the useless biomass is reproducing alot faster than us useful
Men and Women. The useless are ****ing up this world and I
am all for not saving them from their fate anymore. Let
Darwin's theory prevail, really.

Come on, if you but an RV ith cruise control there is a sticker that says "When using the cruise control you must still steer the vehicle" because someone took it as they could set the cruise control and go in the back, and probaably **** to make another piece of biomass that should have been recycled before it was born for all the good it would do the human race.

Doesn't anyone think of contributing to human knowledge ? To the betterment of the human condition ? Even the betterment of humanity at all ?

I think we need to either start steriliing people or putting them in chastity belts or something. Well thre Norplany might
be workable. God damn, we got seven BILLION people. Tha tis
too much.

FWIW, the Constitution of the United States of America might get in the way of that.

Our food is from overproduced land and is thus has its
mineral content diluted and that is causing a ****load of diseases. When are we going to learn ?

Normally, you have to care first to learn. You can imagine whether or not that's the case.

So basically, I support letting Bubba die when he says "Hey
y'all watch this". I support things being unsafe. Use the dead
as an example to the young so aybe they get smart. If not,
off with their hand or heads or whatever. Consequenses teach
the best, so without consequenses, what happens ?

Well then, its hit or miss. Usually the problems of the world will resolve themselves if left to their own devices.

Now mind you I am not tlaking out of a lack of experience
here. I have been shot in the face, I have rolled a van all
the way across a hole of a golf course, I have had my ass totally kicked by three dudes, I have had my head go through the windshield of a 197 Pontiac Grand Prix, but if I had been wearing a seat belt I would be in a wheechair now because the people in the back hit
the seat moving it so far forward that I could not reach the
door handle.

Safety my ****ing ass, they make more money is more like it.
just like a motorcycle, if my head hits the ground at 85
MPH, I would rsather be dead. Done with it.

You mean without a helment on?

On 02/14/2015 9:22 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 3:35:01 PM UTC-5, wrote:
I don't get quite where you're coming from here, I'm sure it is off topic but since we're here...

Safety is an anaethma to me. I think seat belts and air bags in cars
should be illegal. Instead put big spikes in the dash on the driver's
side so that if the stupid **** doesn't watch where he's going and
hits something he gets impaled. This will cure the assholes who think
proper following distance is one inch per hundred miles per hour. Of
course the doors are reinforced with I beams and sbit so if you get
Tboned you're alright.
...

Safety my ****ing ass, they make more money is more like it.
just like a motorcycle, if my head hits the ground at 85
MPH, I would rsather be dead. Done with it.

You mean without a helment on?


Darwin still wins.

I wear a helmet and have hit the ground at about 60MPH - scratched (read
finished off) the helmet but not my head. Had two wonderful (now adults)
children since then.

Helmets can save lives, but if your life isn't worth saving then by all
means don't wear one.

As for safety laws - most were put in place because there are a lot of
people who don't actually care about protecting the consumer from design
faults in products. Consider that roughly 1 in 100 people are sociopaths
without the ability to empathize on other peoples pain or injuries - how
many of these characters are in positions in companies that make
products for folk? These are also the folks that don't carry enough
insurance (if any) on their cars, hit & run, T-bone motorcycles, and so on.

So don't give me this anti-safety crap

Regulations are there to protect us from the sociopaths. If you think
there are too many regulations then work to get rid of the stupid ones,
but not the ones that protect your children from being poisoned by
careless food processing companies! And so on...

John :-#)#

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OK, the TV tech thing, I as good enough to beat out 154 applicants at Electra Sound, and fixed 8-10 sets a day with no recalls. I also fixed the oes nobody else couls figure out. I had a system for troubleshooting that I found impossibe to teach anyone else.

About seat belts, I as the front seat passenger in a 1976 Pontiac Grand Prix that slammed into one of those big telephone oles, the kind that don't break. The people in the back seat slammed into the front seat with so much force that the front seat was pushed so far forward that I could not reach the door handle to open it. If I had been wearing a seat belt I would be in a wheelchair.

A motorcycle helmet is useless. Only thing it is good for is if someone throws a rock at you. I do agree about having to wear glasses because there can be **** flying around in the air, kicked up by people's tires etc. Of course, plus if you are driving around blinded you create a hazard for others. This is where the line is drawn. And well should be. But the helmet will facilitate you bcoing a vegetable rather than dead. I don't want to sound like I am putting down people who are crippled, but I would just as soon die. Just don't tell them that because I don't want to insult them. If you have problems, my apologies, but facts are facts.

I believe people put too much stock in life. We are all going to die someday so there is no sense in fearing it. There are types of hurt that are worse, look at how much business Kevorkian got. they sactually even sell suicide kits. I guess some ppeople agree, it ain't worth the suffering sometimes.

Now I am not saying to make things purposely unsafe. The thing about the ike sticking out the dashboard of a cvar, well that is a joke, but seat belts and air bags ? Let people's ribs get busted on the steering wheel so that they learn how to fucing drive. Proper following distance is NOT one inch per hundred miles per hour. I also think that if someone changes three lanes within so many feet there should be a device in the car that shocks their genitals. That would do more for traffic safety rather than that which will instill a sense of invulnerability.

Ever read that poem called "You Didn't See Me" about motorcyclists ? Maybe I'll see if I can find it later.

But with all this, what I would do and all that, I wil not ride a motorcycle on the streets. I would ride a dirt bike for fun. I would do alot of stupid **** for fun. But I think it is foolhardy to ride in traffic. People are just too damn dumb out there.

You know, if you can drive, you can drive after a few drinks. You can drive on the cellphone. You can drive and eat.

However, if you can just barely do it under optimal conditions, you should pay 100 % attention to it. People don't know how to back out of a damn parking spot. They don't know the width odf their car and you can't see the front fenders. Alot of them lack the spatial reasoning and could never drive a big truck. Though not licensed to do so, I have driven a big truc and let me tell you it is no trivial matter. What's more, people in cars make it a nightmare. These days, my poor eyesight makes it so I would not even try it.. That is called not being stupid. I also won't drive a car under alot of conditions, too bright sun, raining and dark, things like that. I don't even like driving anywhere I haven't been before. I can technically pass the eyue test becaause they are not testing for what is wrong with me. Goes to show you how efficient the government is at saving us fron ourselves.

They fail, and take all the fun out of life. Man, when we were kids we stood up in the back seat and Dad would punch it throwing us violently into the seat. It was fun as hell and we did not get hurt. You couldn't get the smile off my face when these fast cars were accelerating.

Then when I got older I once got a ticket for flying in a car. How many people do you know who can say that ? LOL. But it isn't bull****. I should have saved the ticket but I am pretty sure they took it when I paid it. Should have made a copy of it for proof. but I was much younger and you could get away with that ****. People were not on cellphones because nobody had them.. The cars were like tanks. And people I truly believe were healthier. Their bones did not brea as easily, they qwere just tougher. W eused to get into street fights and barroom brawls. Next morning "Damn I'm sore". Nopw everybody goes to the hospital and tries to find someone to sue.

And let's not even get into the treehouse thihng. Treehouses were where the kids learned some of the things you mentioned. Back in the day, little Johnny falls out of the treehouse and breaks his arm. The adults at that house take him a few blocks down the road to the family doctor and call the Parents because they have to be there for the kid to get it worked on. Sure, the doc can manipultate it and get the bones back in place to get rid of most of the pain, but they have to be there to give permission for anything else, and of course pay the TWENTY BUCKS. OK it was a little more than that, butnot like today. With CAT scans and Xrays and three neurosurgeons, and then three prescriptions, nohgody can afford that. So now there is insurance.

If not for insurance, things would cost less. A CAT scan would be fifty bucks. A car bumper would be fifty bucks. But no, you need to martgage your house to get a CAT scan, and a taillight lens for your car is a $300 piece of plastic.

The market would never bear this **** if not for the socialism of insurance..

"Regulations are there to protect us from the sociopaths. If you think
there are too many regulations then work to get rid of the stupid ones,
but not the ones that protect your children from being poisoned by
careless food processing companies! And so on... "

I hear ya Man. Food companies don't give a ****, and what's more they da,mnear get away with what they want because of lobbyists. That is whyt there are so many medical problems, the food is no good. (I am speaking about the US mainly, alot of people in other countries wouldn't touch our **** with a ten foot pole)

So they use a SWAT team to stamps out the sales of raw milk which is nowhere near as dangerous as they make out, but put sugar and hydrogenated oils in foods.

Of am of the ilk who believes that certain businesses should be regulated, otherwise generally libertarian. I think small Mom and Pop businesses should be largely left alone. I think restaurants should be inspected from time to time. the way they do it now with all the code requirements it makes it cost twice as much to build a commercial kitchen, and for nothing. In six months the place could be covered with grease and hav e million cockroaches crawling around. They could have cooked and raw meat together. Ever watch Hell's Kitchen or Kitchen Nightmares ? I didn't notice any inspectors there except the guy on the show. I did not see any "condemned" signs there. So the system does not work.

You know, there are people in this world who are responsible and do want to do what's right. If they own a restaurant they set high standard for clenliness for example. If they build an automobile it will not be unsafe because they are "socially" responsible. They take care to not hurt anyone because it is wrong, not because they wioll get in trouble.

There are fewer and fewer such people it seems. That is why they have to be regulated.

Some, the few, could be just fine in an anarchy. They would not need speed limits because they would look at the road and say "Oh, this is a side street so I'll only go X miles per hour". In fact even today most people do slow down below the speed limit when the roads are slick etc., and then some do not.

I would like to find a ****load of people who are responsible adults who do tae care for the rights and wellbeing of others and we all go to somewhere, take over some land and just be by ourselves and let the idiots all kill each other.