So the week got off to a great start. I've got a Dual CS505-3 phono deck on
the bench. It all works hunky-dory, except it's a bit slow. This is because
the pitch belt has snapped. So I'm pulling a new one into place, and the
pliers catch the flat leaf spring that couples the speed select knob to the
belt shifting lever. It only holds in there because it's bent and under
tension. And of course, it detaches and flies ...

I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough to
burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...

So now, I've got a deck that is 33 or 45 rpm only, depending on where you
leave the belt shift lever set. I've sent an email to the company
responsible for Dual products in Germany, pleading for them to help me out
with a replacement, but I'm not holding my breath. About the only other
alternative is to try and fabricate one. I've spotted an old octal based
relay where the moving contact fingers look big enough, but the length is
absolutely critical to get the right spring 'snap' action of course, and I
don't think it is going to be easy to achieve that ...

Don'cha just HATE it when **** like this happens :-\

Arfa

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...
So the week got off to a great start. I've got a Dual CS505-3 phono deck
on the bench. It all works hunky-dory, except it's a bit slow. This is
because the pitch belt has snapped. So I'm pulling a new one into place,
and the pliers catch the flat leaf spring that couples the speed select
knob to the belt shifting lever. It only holds in there because it's bent
and under tension. And of course, it detaches and flies ...

I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough to
burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...

So now, I've got a deck that is 33 or 45 rpm only, depending on where you
leave the belt shift lever set. I've sent an email to the company
responsible for Dual products in Germany, pleading for them to help me out
with a replacement, but I'm not holding my breath. About the only other
alternative is to try and fabricate one. I've spotted an old octal based
relay where the moving contact fingers look big enough, but the length is
absolutely critical to get the right spring 'snap' action of course, and I
don't think it is going to be easy to achieve that ...

Don'cha just HATE it when **** like this happens :-\

Arfa


I've always found Dual models annoying. Prefer Japanese models for the most
part.

mz

Arfa Daily wrote:
So the week got off to a great start. I've got a Dual CS505-3 phono deck on
the bench. It all works hunky-dory, except it's a bit slow. This is because
the pitch belt has snapped. So I'm pulling a new one into place, and the
pliers catch the flat leaf spring that couples the speed select knob to the
belt shifting lever. It only holds in there because it's bent and under
tension. And of course, it detaches and flies ...

I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough to
burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...

So now, I've got a deck that is 33 or 45 rpm only, depending on where you
leave the belt shift lever set. I've sent an email to the company
responsible for Dual products in Germany, pleading for them to help me out
with a replacement, but I'm not holding my breath. About the only other
alternative is to try and fabricate one. I've spotted an old octal based
relay where the moving contact fingers look big enough, but the length is
absolutely critical to get the right spring 'snap' action of course, and I
don't think it is going to be easy to achieve that ...

Don'cha just HATE it when **** like this happens :-\

Arfa

not sure about your spring, but lots of weird dual parts turn up on ebay.

I had a c-clip fly away not long ago, so I ordered a new one, that was the
wrong size, then a week later the original one appeared again.

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...
So the week got off to a great start. I've got a Dual CS505-3 phono deck
on the bench. It all works hunky-dory, except it's a bit slow. This is
because the pitch belt has snapped. So I'm pulling a new one into place,
and the pliers catch the flat leaf spring that couples the speed select
knob to the belt shifting lever. It only holds in there because it's bent
and under tension. And of course, it detaches and flies ...

I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough to
burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...

So now, I've got a deck that is 33 or 45 rpm only, depending on where you
leave the belt shift lever set. I've sent an email to the company
responsible for Dual products in Germany, pleading for them to help me out
with a replacement, but I'm not holding my breath. About the only other
alternative is to try and fabricate one. I've spotted an old octal based
relay where the moving contact fingers look big enough, but the length is
absolutely critical to get the right spring 'snap' action of course, and I
don't think it is going to be easy to achieve that ...

Don'cha just HATE it when **** like this happens :-\

Arfa

Grab a cheap feeler gauge set and trim one leaf to fit.

tm

"Arfa Daily" wrote in
:

So the week got off to a great start. I've got a Dual CS505-3 phono
deck on the bench. It all works hunky-dory, except it's a bit slow.
This is because the pitch belt has snapped. So I'm pulling a new one
into place, and the pliers catch the flat leaf spring that couples the
speed select knob to the belt shifting lever. It only holds in there
because it's bent and under tension. And of course, it detaches and
flies ...

I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough
to burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...

So now, I've got a deck that is 33 or 45 rpm only, depending on where
you leave the belt shift lever set. I've sent an email to the company
responsible for Dual products in Germany, pleading for them to help me
out with a replacement, but I'm not holding my breath. About the only
other alternative is to try and fabricate one. I've spotted an old
octal based relay where the moving contact fingers look big enough,
but the length is absolutely critical to get the right spring 'snap'
action of course, and I don't think it is going to be easy to achieve
that ...

Don'cha just HATE it when **** like this happens :-\

Arfa


If you lose some ittybitty item on the floor, get a vacuum cleaner,
with a clean dustbin, and clean th floor.
That way I found a 2mm screw again.

On May 13, 10:59*pm, Sjouke Burry s@b wrote:
"Arfa Daily" wrote :





So the week got off to a great start. I've got a Dual CS505-3 phono
deck on the bench. It all works hunky-dory, except it's a bit slow.
This is because the pitch belt has snapped. So I'm pulling a new one
into place, and the pliers catch the flat leaf spring that couples the
speed select knob to the belt shifting lever. It only holds in there
because it's bent and under tension. And of course, it detaches and
flies ...

I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough
to burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...

So now, I've got a deck that is 33 or 45 rpm only, depending on where
you leave the belt shift lever set. I've sent an email to the company
responsible for Dual products in Germany, pleading for them to help me
out with a replacement, but I'm not holding my breath. About the only
other alternative is to try and fabricate one. I've spotted an old
octal based relay where the moving contact fingers look big enough,
but the length is absolutely critical to get the right spring 'snap'
action of course, and I don't think it is going to be easy to achieve
that ...

Don'cha just HATE it when **** like this happens * :-\

Arfa

If you lose some ittybitty item on the floor, get a vacuum cleaner,
with a clean dustbin, and clean th floor.
That way I found a 2mm screw again.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A nylon stocking over the inlet to trap the spring piece makes it
easier to find. Also, did you look on top of things, it may not have
landed on the floor.

On Mon, 13 May 2013 21:11:44 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

Also, did you look on top of things, it may not have
landed on the floor.

Chuckle. On Saturday, I was installing an Avaya phone switch, when I
dropped one of the odd shaped mounting screws. I used every trick I
could think of to find the screw, but it refused to appear. After
literally nailing the switch to the wall with a nail, the screw
magically reappeared on top of a nearby desk. A visitor to the office
had spotted it on the carpet, placed it on the desk so that I wouldn't
miss it, and then left without telling anyone. I hate helpful people.

One trick that I use on smooth floors is to turn off the room lights,
and use a flashlight parallel to the floor to cast a shadow. Even the
smallest screws cast a long shadow with this method.

Also, I have a magnet on a wooden pole if it happens to be a steel
screw.
http://www.harborfreight.com/heavy-duty-magnetic-pickup-tool-42288.html

However, the best way is to enlist any available small kids to help
with the search. They're not fast or efficient, but they have better
eyes than me.


--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann forklarede:

However, the best way is to enlist any available small kids to help
with the search. They're not fast or efficient, but they have better
eyes than me.

That requires the availability of small kids.

Going to the streets to aquire small kids for screw-related problems
might lead to unpleasent experiences.

Leif


--
Husk kørelys bagpå, hvis din bilfabrikant har taget den idiotiske
beslutning at undlade det.

On 14 May 13 at group /sci/electronics/repair in article
(Leif Neland) wrote:

Jeff Liebermann forklarede:

However, the best way is to enlist any available small kids to help
with the search. They're not fast or efficient, but they have
better eyes than me.

That requires the availability of small kids.

Going to the streets to aquire small kids for screw-related problems
might lead to unpleasent experiences.

Especially if you wanna fix a stick on them, just to control the
direction and search area



Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
Wolfgang

--
Wolfgang Allinger, anerkannter Trollallergiker reply Adresse gesetzt!
Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf
ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung!
(lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

On Monday, May 13, 2013 8:44:38 PM UTC-4, Arfa Daily wrote:

I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough to

burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...


It might be, but it might be something else. My brother always figured that tiny objects, when they fly off into space, such as your spring, c-clips, tiny screws, etc., actually are right there where they landed. However, while they are in the correct physical plane, they are in the wrong temporal plane. In time, they will often reappear right where they were believed to be in the first place.

Yep, shapes of things..

It seems to me that when I was younger, my ears could tell me almost exactly
where a flying part landed, without even turning my head.. like a bat sense.
Maybe the parts were bigger then.

Seriously though, parts in recent electronic gear have gotten so small it's
absurd, and their means of retention is insane.

I've found some very small items with the bright light beam parallel to the
floor method.. it's a reliable method if the missing piece is on the floor
and the floor isn't covered with dust and debris.
A good 1W or better LED flashlight with a good reflector for a fairly tight
beam works well.

I have a telescoping magnetic parts reclaimer for steel parts which also has
an LED light on the end, works on steel parts that are out of reach, and in
the dark places between stuff you'd prefer not to move, under stuff etc.
Otherwise, an old speaker magnet or newer high power magnet on a stick, like
sweeping for mines.. sometimes you can hear the click, when the part jumps
to the magnet.

It's often fairly easy to determine which parts are likely to and capable of
flying great distances at a very fast rate of speed.
Using a cover over the area will restrain flying part from exiting the realm
of one's attention span.

Build a 3-sided booth with an enclosed top, lined with sticky rodent/insect
trap material.
Strong magnetic panels, same booth style.

Very high speed video of the work area and "all ya gotta do is" play back in
slow motion.

--
Cheers,
WB
..............


"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...
So the week got off to a great start. I've got a Dual CS505-3 phono deck
on the bench. It all works hunky-dory, except it's a bit slow. This is
because the pitch belt has snapped. So I'm pulling a new one into place,
and the pliers catch the flat leaf spring that couples the speed select
knob to the belt shifting lever. It only holds in there because it's bent
and under tension. And of course, it detaches and flies ...

I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough to
burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...

So now, I've got a deck that is 33 or 45 rpm only, depending on where you
leave the belt shift lever set. I've sent an email to the company
responsible for Dual products in Germany, pleading for them to help me out
with a replacement, but I'm not holding my breath. About the only other
alternative is to try and fabricate one. I've spotted an old octal based
relay where the moving contact fingers look big enough, but the length is
absolutely critical to get the right spring 'snap' action of course, and I
don't think it is going to be easy to achieve that ...

Don'cha just HATE it when **** like this happens :-\

Arfa

Sjouke Burry wrote:


If you lose some ittybitty item on the floor, get a vacuum cleaner,
with a clean dustbin, and clean th floor.
That way I found a 2mm screw again.
The spring may be magnetic, sweep the floor with a
magnet salvaged out of a loudspeaker or hard drive, you will
likely find it.

Jon

"tm" wrote in message
...

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...
So the week got off to a great start. I've got a Dual CS505-3 phono deck
on the bench. It all works hunky-dory, except it's a bit slow. This is
because the pitch belt has snapped. So I'm pulling a new one into place,
and the pliers catch the flat leaf spring that couples the speed select
knob to the belt shifting lever. It only holds in there because it's bent
and under tension. And of course, it detaches and flies ...

I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough to
burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...

So now, I've got a deck that is 33 or 45 rpm only, depending on where you
leave the belt shift lever set. I've sent an email to the company
responsible for Dual products in Germany, pleading for them to help me
out with a replacement, but I'm not holding my breath. About the only
other alternative is to try and fabricate one. I've spotted an old octal
based relay where the moving contact fingers look big enough, but the
length is absolutely critical to get the right spring 'snap' action of
course, and I don't think it is going to be easy to achieve that ...

Don'cha just HATE it when **** like this happens :-\

Arfa

Grab a cheap feeler gauge set and trim one leaf to fit.

tm


I'm currently looking at contact sets from relays.

Arfa

" wrote in message
...
On May 13, 10:59 pm, Sjouke Burry s@b wrote:
"Arfa Daily" wrote
:





So the week got off to a great start. I've got a Dual CS505-3 phono
deck on the bench. It all works hunky-dory, except it's a bit slow.
This is because the pitch belt has snapped. So I'm pulling a new one
into place, and the pliers catch the flat leaf spring that couples the
speed select knob to the belt shifting lever. It only holds in there
because it's bent and under tension. And of course, it detaches and
flies ...

I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough
to burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...

So now, I've got a deck that is 33 or 45 rpm only, depending on where
you leave the belt shift lever set. I've sent an email to the company
responsible for Dual products in Germany, pleading for them to help me
out with a replacement, but I'm not holding my breath. About the only
other alternative is to try and fabricate one. I've spotted an old
octal based relay where the moving contact fingers look big enough,
but the length is absolutely critical to get the right spring 'snap'
action of course, and I don't think it is going to be easy to achieve
that ...

Don'cha just HATE it when **** like this happens :-\

Arfa

If you lose some ittybitty item on the floor, get a vacuum cleaner,
with a clean dustbin, and clean th floor.
That way I found a 2mm screw again.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A nylon stocking over the inlet to trap the spring piece makes it
easier to find. Also, did you look on top of things, it may not have
landed on the floor.

I've looked everywhere. As it happens, the workshop floor isn't actually all
that bad at the moment. I used one of those outdoor 500 watt halogen lights
today, but still no sign of it. The thing is, the plastic dust cover from
the deck was leaning against the bench leg just to one side of me, and I
heard it hit that, so the fact that it is springy in itself, coupled to the
fact that it hit a large area of plastic, and was probably travelling at
some speed because it had 'popped' from a location where it was under
tension, means that it could have gone just about anywhere, and it's quite a
big workshop with a lot of stuff in it ... :-(

Arfa

"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 13 May 2013 21:11:44 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

Also, did you look on top of things, it may not have
landed on the floor.

Chuckle. On Saturday, I was installing an Avaya phone switch, when I
dropped one of the odd shaped mounting screws. I used every trick I
could think of to find the screw, but it refused to appear. After
literally nailing the switch to the wall with a nail, the screw
magically reappeared on top of a nearby desk. A visitor to the office
had spotted it on the carpet, placed it on the desk so that I wouldn't
miss it, and then left without telling anyone. I hate helpful people.

One trick that I use on smooth floors is to turn off the room lights,
and use a flashlight parallel to the floor to cast a shadow. Even the
smallest screws cast a long shadow with this method.

Also, I have a magnet on a wooden pole if it happens to be a steel
screw.
http://www.harborfreight.com/heavy-duty-magnetic-pickup-tool-42288.html

However, the best way is to enlist any available small kids to help
with the search. They're not fast or efficient, but they have better
eyes than me.


Number one daughter is very good at this, She has what she calls 'pecan
eyes' Don't ask. It's a long story, and actually quite funny, but she comes
out with a lot of this stuff. We call them Liz-isms. 'Lion steaks' is
another ...

She'll probably be round tomorrow. I might get her on the job. Had to call
the shop today to put them in the picture, and to tell them to stall the
customer with a "waiting for parts, sir" excuse if he calls asking after a
progress report ...

Arfa

"John-Del" wrote in message
...
On Monday, May 13, 2013 8:44:38 PM UTC-4, Arfa Daily wrote:

I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough to

burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...


It might be, but it might be something else. My brother always figured
that tiny objects, when they fly off into space, such as your spring,
c-clips, tiny screws, etc., actually are right there where they landed.
However, while they are in the correct physical plane, they are in the
wrong temporal plane. In time, they will often reappear right where they
were believed to be in the first place.

How strange ! I used to have a very similar 'tongue in cheek' theory as well
several years ago. I used to believe that all of the faulty electrons flying
about in workshops, caused tiny little molecular warp holes to appear in the
floor, which if left alone, would slowly 'breed' downwards, following a
curve as they got deeper, until as they became horizontal, they suddenly
shot back up to form a fully stable warp tunnel that often as not, would
come up somewhere dark or under a table leg. Components and other important
bits (like my spring) are attracted to them, and as they fall into the hole,
it closes behind them. The item is then 'conveyed' through the warp hole
until it emerges under the table leg, never to be found again, until years
later when you move the table. And that, I think, is what has happened to my
spring ... d ;-)

Arfa

"Wild_Bill" wrote in message
...

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...
So the week got off to a great start. I've got a Dual CS505-3 phono deck
on the bench. It all works hunky-dory, except it's a bit slow. This is
because the pitch belt has snapped. So I'm pulling a new one into place,
and the pliers catch the flat leaf spring that couples the speed select
knob to the belt shifting lever. It only holds in there because it's bent
and under tension. And of course, it detaches and flies ...

I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough to
burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...

So now, I've got a deck that is 33 or 45 rpm only, depending on where you
leave the belt shift lever set. I've sent an email to the company
responsible for Dual products in Germany, pleading for them to help me
out with a replacement, but I'm not holding my breath. About the only
other alternative is to try and fabricate one. I've spotted an old octal
based relay where the moving contact fingers look big enough, but the
length is absolutely critical to get the right spring 'snap' action of
course, and I don't think it is going to be easy to achieve that ...

Don'cha just HATE it when **** like this happens :-\

Arfa


Yep, shapes of things..

It seems to me that when I was younger, my ears could tell me almost
exactly where a flying part landed, without even turning my head.. like a
bat sense.
Maybe the parts were bigger then.

Seriously though, parts in recent electronic gear have gotten so small
it's absurd, and their means of retention is insane.

I've found some very small items with the bright light beam parallel to
the floor method.. it's a reliable method if the missing piece is on the
floor and the floor isn't covered with dust and debris.
A good 1W or better LED flashlight with a good reflector for a fairly
tight beam works well.

I have a telescoping magnetic parts reclaimer for steel parts which also
has an LED light on the end, works on steel parts that are out of reach,
and in the dark places between stuff you'd prefer not to move, under stuff
etc.
Otherwise, an old speaker magnet or newer high power magnet on a stick,
like sweeping for mines.. sometimes you can hear the click, when the part
jumps to the magnet.

It's often fairly easy to determine which parts are likely to and capable
of flying great distances at a very fast rate of speed.
Using a cover over the area will restrain flying part from exiting the
realm of one's attention span.

Build a 3-sided booth with an enclosed top, lined with sticky
rodent/insect trap material.
Strong magnetic panels, same booth style.

Very high speed video of the work area and "all ya gotta do is" play back
in slow motion.

--
Cheers,
WB
.............

Sadly, although it's not been too long since I last ran the vacuum cleaner
over the floor, I reckon if I start looking with a magnet, just the noise of
all the stuff hitting it, is gonna deafen me ... :-)

Arfa

On May 14, 6:58*am, John-Del wrote:
On Monday, May 13, 2013 8:44:38 PM UTC-4, Arfa Daily wrote:
I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough to

burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...

It might be, but it might be something else. *My brother always figured that tiny objects, when they fly off into space, such as your spring, c-clips, tiny screws, etc., actually are right there where they landed. *However, while they are in the correct physical plane, they are in the wrong temporal plane. *In time, they will often reappear right where they were believed to be in the first place.

Too True!!!

On May 14, 7:57*pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"Wild_Bill" wrote in message

...





"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...
So the week got off to a great start. I've got a Dual CS505-3 phono deck
on the bench. It all works hunky-dory, except it's a bit slow. This is
because the pitch belt has snapped. So I'm pulling a new one into place,
and the pliers catch the flat leaf spring that couples the speed select
knob to the belt shifting lever. It only holds in there because it's bent
and under tension. And of course, it detaches and flies ...

I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough to
burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...

So now, I've got a deck that is 33 or 45 rpm only, depending on where you
leave the belt shift lever set. I've sent an email to the company
responsible for Dual products in Germany, pleading for them to help me
out with a replacement, but I'm not holding my breath. About the only
other alternative is to try and fabricate one. I've spotted an old octal
based relay where the moving contact fingers look big enough, but the
length is absolutely critical to get the right spring 'snap' action of
course, and I don't think it is going to be easy to achieve that ...

Don'cha just HATE it when **** like this happens * :-\

Arfa

Yep, shapes of things..

It seems to me that when I was younger, my ears could tell me almost
exactly where a flying part landed, without even turning my head.. like a
bat sense.
Maybe the parts were bigger then.

Seriously though, parts in recent electronic gear have gotten so small
it's absurd, and their means of retention is insane.

I've found some very small items with the bright light beam parallel to
the floor method.. it's a reliable method if the missing piece is on the
floor and the floor isn't covered with dust and debris.
A good 1W or better LED flashlight with a good reflector for a fairly
tight beam works well.

I have a telescoping magnetic parts reclaimer for steel parts which also
has an LED light on the end, works on steel parts that are out of reach,
and in the dark places between stuff you'd prefer not to move, under stuff
etc.
Otherwise, an old speaker magnet or newer high power magnet on a stick,
like sweeping for mines.. sometimes you can hear the click, when the part
jumps to the magnet.

It's often fairly easy to determine which parts are likely to and capable
of flying great distances at a very fast rate of speed.
Using a cover over the area will restrain flying part from exiting the
realm of one's attention span.

Build a 3-sided booth with an enclosed top, lined with sticky
rodent/insect trap material.
Strong magnetic panels, same booth style.

Very high speed video of the work area and "all ya gotta do is" play back
in slow motion.

--
Cheers,
WB
.............

Sadly, although it's not been too long since I last ran the vacuum cleaner
over the floor, I reckon if I start looking with a magnet, just the noise of
all the stuff hitting it, is gonna deafen me ... *:-)

Arfa- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I lost a small screw tonight somewhere in my 20' x 10' workshop. I
figure I will surf the internet for a while and then go looking
again. Just the act of leaving and then coming back sometimes makes
things reappear where I least expect them.

John-Del wrote in message
...
On Monday, May 13, 2013 8:44:38 PM UTC-4, Arfa Daily wrote:

I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough to

burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...


It might be, but it might be something else. My brother always figured that
tiny objects, when they fly off into space, such as your spring, c-clips,
tiny screws, etc., actually are right there where they landed. However,
while they are in the correct physical plane, they are in the wrong temporal
plane. In time, they will often reappear right where they were believed to
be in the first place.

+++++++++++
while on the meta-physical
I want to know why is it , when you actually catch sight of the thing flying
off , its never anywhere near where that projected-on trajectory would make
it land

N_Cook wrote:

John-Del wrote in message
...
On Monday, May 13, 2013 8:44:38 PM UTC-4, Arfa Daily wrote:

I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough to

burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...


It might be, but it might be something else. My brother always figured that
tiny objects, when they fly off into space, such as your spring, c-clips,
tiny screws, etc., actually are right there where they landed. However,
while they are in the correct physical plane, they are in the wrong temporal
plane. In time, they will often reappear right where they were believed to
be in the first place.

+++++++++++
while on the meta-physical
I want to know why is it , when you actually catch sight of the thing flying
off , its never anywhere near where that projected-on trajectory would make
it land.


I'll bet that you're bad at playing pool, too.

Arfa Daily wrote:

"Wild_Bill" wrote in message
...

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...
So the week got off to a great start. I've got a Dual CS505-3 phono deck
on the bench. It all works hunky-dory, except it's a bit slow. This is
because the pitch belt has snapped. So I'm pulling a new one into place,
and the pliers catch the flat leaf spring that couples the speed select
knob to the belt shifting lever. It only holds in there because it's bent
and under tension. And of course, it detaches and flies ...

I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough to
burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...

So now, I've got a deck that is 33 or 45 rpm only, depending on where you
leave the belt shift lever set. I've sent an email to the company
responsible for Dual products in Germany, pleading for them to help me
out with a replacement, but I'm not holding my breath. About the only
other alternative is to try and fabricate one. I've spotted an old octal
based relay where the moving contact fingers look big enough, but the
length is absolutely critical to get the right spring 'snap' action of
course, and I don't think it is going to be easy to achieve that ...

Don'cha just HATE it when **** like this happens :-\

Arfa


Yep, shapes of things..

It seems to me that when I was younger, my ears could tell me almost
exactly where a flying part landed, without even turning my head.. like a
bat sense.
Maybe the parts were bigger then.

Seriously though, parts in recent electronic gear have gotten so small
it's absurd, and their means of retention is insane.

I've found some very small items with the bright light beam parallel to
the floor method.. it's a reliable method if the missing piece is on the
floor and the floor isn't covered with dust and debris.
A good 1W or better LED flashlight with a good reflector for a fairly
tight beam works well.

I have a telescoping magnetic parts reclaimer for steel parts which also
has an LED light on the end, works on steel parts that are out of reach,
and in the dark places between stuff you'd prefer not to move, under stuff
etc.
Otherwise, an old speaker magnet or newer high power magnet on a stick,
like sweeping for mines.. sometimes you can hear the click, when the part
jumps to the magnet.

It's often fairly easy to determine which parts are likely to and capable
of flying great distances at a very fast rate of speed.
Using a cover over the area will restrain flying part from exiting the
realm of one's attention span.

Build a 3-sided booth with an enclosed top, lined with sticky
rodent/insect trap material.
Strong magnetic panels, same booth style.

Very high speed video of the work area and "all ya gotta do is" play back
in slow motion.

--
Cheers,
WB
.............

Sadly, although it's not been too long since I last ran the vacuum cleaner
over the floor, I reckon if I start looking with a magnet, just the noise of
all the stuff hitting it, is gonna deafen me ... :-)


Then pick up the cast iron skillets, steam radiators and engine
blocks before you start with the magnet. ;-)


You need one of these, and to use it often:

http://www.harborfreight.com/17-inch-mini-magnetic-sweeper-98398.html

Michael A. Terrell wrote in message
m...

N_Cook wrote:

John-Del wrote in message
...
On Monday, May 13, 2013 8:44:38 PM UTC-4, Arfa Daily wrote:

I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough
to

burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...


It might be, but it might be something else. My brother always figured
that
tiny objects, when they fly off into space, such as your spring,
c-clips,
tiny screws, etc., actually are right there where they landed. However,
while they are in the correct physical plane, they are in the wrong
temporal
plane. In time, they will often reappear right where they were believed
to
be in the first place.

+++++++++++
while on the meta-physical
I want to know why is it , when you actually catch sight of the thing
flying
off , its never anywhere near where that projected-on trajectory would
make
it land.


I'll bet that you're bad at playing pool, too.

Probably an eye-brain thing. Something moving fast outwards, in peripheral
vision
at 3 o'clock is interpreted by the brain as being at 5 o'clock, say. I'll
have to
take notes the next time.

Only one problem with the magnet theory. The part may well be stainless.

Inscribed thus:

Only one problem with the magnet theory. The part may well be
stainless.

Some stainless steels are attracted to a magnet !

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

Some stainless steels are attracted to a magnet!

True. And an AC electromagnet (such as bulk tape eraser) sort of repels
non-ferrous metals. The sound of the part banging against the eraser might
help you find it.

"N_Cook" wrote in message
...
John-Del wrote in message
...
On Monday, May 13, 2013 8:44:38 PM UTC-4, Arfa Daily wrote:

I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough to

burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...


It might be, but it might be something else. My brother always figured
that
tiny objects, when they fly off into space, such as your spring, c-clips,
tiny screws, etc., actually are right there where they landed. However,
while they are in the correct physical plane, they are in the wrong
temporal
plane. In time, they will often reappear right where they were believed
to
be in the first place.

+++++++++++
while on the meta-physical
I want to know why is it , when you actually catch sight of the thing
flying
off , its never anywhere near where that projected-on trajectory would
make
it land


I think that it is actually worse than that. I have watched items actually
touch down, but when you reach for the place that you absolutely know that
they landed, they are nowhere to be found. The likelihood of ever finding
them is directly proportional to the obscurity of the part, multiplied by
its availability as a spare ...

Arfa

"Baron" wrote in message
...
Inscribed thus:

Only one problem with the magnet theory. The part may well be
stainless.

Some stainless steels are attracted to a magnet !

--
Best Regards:
Baron.


Depends on the series. 400 series is magnetic. 300 series isn't. Or the
other way round, Can't remember now. Anyway, knives are made from the one
that is magnetic, and so they still stick to magnetic knife racks.

Arfa

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

Arfa Daily wrote:

"Wild_Bill" wrote in message
...

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...
So the week got off to a great start. I've got a Dual CS505-3 phono
deck
on the bench. It all works hunky-dory, except it's a bit slow. This is
because the pitch belt has snapped. So I'm pulling a new one into
place,
and the pliers catch the flat leaf spring that couples the speed
select
knob to the belt shifting lever. It only holds in there because it's
bent
and under tension. And of course, it detaches and flies ...

I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough
to
burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...

So now, I've got a deck that is 33 or 45 rpm only, depending on where
you
leave the belt shift lever set. I've sent an email to the company
responsible for Dual products in Germany, pleading for them to help me
out with a replacement, but I'm not holding my breath. About the only
other alternative is to try and fabricate one. I've spotted an old
octal
based relay where the moving contact fingers look big enough, but the
length is absolutely critical to get the right spring 'snap' action of
course, and I don't think it is going to be easy to achieve that ...

Don'cha just HATE it when **** like this happens :-\

Arfa


Yep, shapes of things..

It seems to me that when I was younger, my ears could tell me almost
exactly where a flying part landed, without even turning my head.. like
a
bat sense.
Maybe the parts were bigger then.

Seriously though, parts in recent electronic gear have gotten so small
it's absurd, and their means of retention is insane.

I've found some very small items with the bright light beam parallel to
the floor method.. it's a reliable method if the missing piece is on
the
floor and the floor isn't covered with dust and debris.
A good 1W or better LED flashlight with a good reflector for a fairly
tight beam works well.

I have a telescoping magnetic parts reclaimer for steel parts which
also
has an LED light on the end, works on steel parts that are out of
reach,
and in the dark places between stuff you'd prefer not to move, under
stuff
etc.
Otherwise, an old speaker magnet or newer high power magnet on a stick,
like sweeping for mines.. sometimes you can hear the click, when the
part
jumps to the magnet.

It's often fairly easy to determine which parts are likely to and
capable
of flying great distances at a very fast rate of speed.
Using a cover over the area will restrain flying part from exiting the
realm of one's attention span.

Build a 3-sided booth with an enclosed top, lined with sticky
rodent/insect trap material.
Strong magnetic panels, same booth style.

Very high speed video of the work area and "all ya gotta do is" play
back
in slow motion.

--
Cheers,
WB
.............

Sadly, although it's not been too long since I last ran the vacuum
cleaner
over the floor, I reckon if I start looking with a magnet, just the noise
of
all the stuff hitting it, is gonna deafen me ... :-)


Then pick up the cast iron skillets, steam radiators and engine
blocks before you start with the magnet. ;-)


You need one of these, and to use it often:

http://www.harborfreight.com/17-inch-mini-magnetic-sweeper-98398.html

You better pick me one up and ship it over then ! :-)

Arfa

On Thu, 16 May 2013 02:05:53 +0100, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:

Depends on the series. 400 series is magnetic. 300 series isn't. Or the
other way round, Can't remember now. Anyway, knives are made from the one
that is magnetic, and so they still stick to magnetic knife racks.

400 series is magnetic.
300 series is non-magnetic.
http://www.pencomsf.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/TB_MAG_SS.pdf

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Tue, 14 May 2013 01:44:38 +0100 in sci.electronics.repair, "Arfa
Daily" wrote,
pliers catch the flat leaf spring that couples the speed select knob to the
belt shifting lever. It only holds in there because it's bent and under
tension. And of course, it detaches and flies ...

I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough to
burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...

Sweep with big magnet. Include floor not under the light.

Wild_Bill wrote:
Build a 3-sided booth with an enclosed top, lined with sticky rodent/
insect trap material.
Strong magnetic panels, same booth style.

I keep thinking of something sort of like a shower stall but with no
plumbing. Totally smooth walls, some part of them transparent, with
millions of lumens of lighting behind them. There has to be a door to
get in, but when you close it behind you, it fits so closely to the wall
that you can't see the gap. (Reference the sphere that drops through
the rings of the machine in the movie "Contact".)

You go into this room or booth when you want to take something apart
that you suspect has tiny parts, or parts under thousands of pounds
of spring force. No matter where the part goes, it has to be
*somewhere* in the booth.

There are probably some thermal issues with it, though. (Humans
radiate a fair amount of heat.)

Very high speed video of the work area and "all ya gotta do is" play
back in slow motion.

When I first thought up that booth, this would have been insanely
expensive. Now it's down to just really expensive.

Matt Roberds

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message ...

So the week got off to a great start. I've got a Dual CS505-3 phono deck on
the bench. It all works hunky-dory, except it's a bit slow. This is because
the pitch belt has snapped. So I'm pulling a new one into place, and the
pliers catch the flat leaf spring that couples the speed select knob to the
belt shifting lever. It only holds in there because it's bent and under
tension. And of course, it detaches and flies ...

I have combed every square inch of the floor under light strong enough to
burn your eyes out, but nope, it's gone ...

So now, I've got a deck that is 33 or 45 rpm only, depending on where you
leave the belt shift lever set. I've sent an email to the company
responsible for Dual products in Germany, pleading for them to help me out
with a replacement, but I'm not holding my breath. About the only other
alternative is to try and fabricate one. I've spotted an old octal based
relay where the moving contact fingers look big enough, but the length is
absolutely critical to get the right spring 'snap' action of course, and I
don't think it is going to be easy to achieve that ...

Don'cha just HATE it when **** like this happens :-\

Arfa

-------------------------

My brother was a lapidarist. Whenever a gem flew off the dopstick while
being worked on the wheel, he would find a similar sized and weighted stone
and recreate the trajectory while watching carefully and he always would
seem to find them both within a meter or two.

Arfa Daily wrote:

I think that it is actually worse than that. I have watched items actually
touch down, but when you reach for the place that you absolutely know that
they landed, they are nowhere to be found. The likelihood of ever finding
them is directly proportional to the obscurity of the part, multiplied by
its availability as a spare ...


Or how long it takes to get another from stock. That's why I just
take the drawers from the parts cabinet to the bench.

wrote in message ...
Wild_Bill wrote:
Build a 3-sided booth with an enclosed top, lined with sticky rodent/
insect trap material.
Strong magnetic panels, same booth style.

I keep thinking of something sort of like a shower stall but with no
plumbing. Totally smooth walls, some part of them transparent, with
millions of lumens of lighting behind them. There has to be a door to
get in, but when you close it behind you, it fits so closely to the wall
that you can't see the gap. (Reference the sphere that drops through
the rings of the machine in the movie "Contact".)

You go into this room or booth when you want to take something apart
that you suspect has tiny parts, or parts under thousands of pounds
of spring force. No matter where the part goes, it has to be
*somewhere* in the booth.

There are probably some thermal issues with it, though. (Humans
radiate a fair amount of heat.)

Very high speed video of the work area and "all ya gotta do is" play
back in slow motion.

When I first thought up that booth, this would have been insanely
expensive. Now it's down to just really expensive.

Matt Roberds




Ideal to avoid little bits ending up inside turnups , pockets, etc and also
avoid loose clothing catching on just the wrong sub-part , you could then
work in the nude.

There are those enclosures for handling hazardous materials or a
sand/beadblast cabinet could be utilized and those even have an outlet tube
for recycling the media. That's where the paper cup would be placed to catch
the miniature part(s).

Fairly often, when I can't find a particular item, it suddenly appears when
I start looking for something different.

--
Cheers,
WB
..............


wrote in message ...
Wild_Bill wrote:
Build a 3-sided booth with an enclosed top, lined with sticky rodent/
insect trap material.
Strong magnetic panels, same booth style.

I keep thinking of something sort of like a shower stall but with no
plumbing. Totally smooth walls, some part of them transparent, with
millions of lumens of lighting behind them. There has to be a door to
get in, but when you close it behind you, it fits so closely to the wall
that you can't see the gap. (Reference the sphere that drops through
the rings of the machine in the movie "Contact".)

You go into this room or booth when you want to take something apart
that you suspect has tiny parts, or parts under thousands of pounds
of spring force. No matter where the part goes, it has to be
*somewhere* in the booth.

There are probably some thermal issues with it, though. (Humans
radiate a fair amount of heat.)

Very high speed video of the work area and "all ya gotta do is" play
back in slow motion.

When I first thought up that booth, this would have been insanely
expensive. Now it's down to just really expensive.

Matt Roberds

wrote:

Only one problem with the magnet theory. The part may well be stainless.

They can be glass or plastic, as well. The majority can be picked up
with a magnet.

Arfa Daily wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

You need one of these, and to use it often:

http://www.harborfreight.com/17-inch-mini-magnetic-sweeper-98398.html

You better pick me one up and ship it over then ! :-)


I will, if you can't find one locally. I think they will ship
directly to you but if they won't, I can try to get one to you.

On Thu, 16 May 2013 15:05:17 +0100, N_Cook wrote:

... you could then work in the nude.

Not recommended if you're soldering with a 125W Weller gun
on Olde Tyme Equipment. BTDT

Wild_Bill wrote in message
...
There are those enclosures for handling hazardous materials or a
sand/beadblast cabinet could be utilized and those even have an outlet
tube
for recycling the media. That's where the paper cup would be placed to
catch
the miniature part(s).

Fairly often, when I can't find a particular item, it suddenly appears
when
I start looking for something different.

--
Cheers,
WB
.............


wrote in message ...
Wild_Bill wrote:
Build a 3-sided booth with an enclosed top, lined with sticky rodent/
insect trap material.
Strong magnetic panels, same booth style.

I keep thinking of something sort of like a shower stall but with no
plumbing. Totally smooth walls, some part of them transparent, with
millions of lumens of lighting behind them. There has to be a door to
get in, but when you close it behind you, it fits so closely to the wall
that you can't see the gap. (Reference the sphere that drops through
the rings of the machine in the movie "Contact".)

You go into this room or booth when you want to take something apart
that you suspect has tiny parts, or parts under thousands of pounds
of spring force. No matter where the part goes, it has to be
*somewhere* in the booth.

There are probably some thermal issues with it, though. (Humans
radiate a fair amount of heat.)

Very high speed video of the work area and "all ya gotta do is" play
back in slow motion.

When I first thought up that booth, this would have been insanely
expensive. Now it's down to just really expensive.

Matt Roberds



I assume people following this thread know of this circlip tip. Rarely loose
one on removal as you can trap in the fingers. To avoid it springing off on
fixing back the circlip , tie a piece of cotton to it and anchor it to
something, before replacing the circlip