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Why would free newserver aioe be on s.e.r "441 banlist" but nota.h.r ?
I use two Italian free newservers & noticed this strange happenstance:
1. aioe can NOT post to sci.electronics.repair 2. albasani CAN post to sci.electronics.repair That is, when I post with aioe as my free news server, I get, in PAN, the error "441 Banlist" when I try to submit the post (see screen shot): http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12360787.png However, if I change nothing but the free newsserver, I 'can' post to sci.electronics.repair (witness this post): I have this problem with no other newsgroup (to my knowledge). Do you have any debugging tools for me to figure out why this happens? |
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Why would free newserver aioe be on s.e.r "441 banlist" but not a.h.r ?
"Danny D." wrote in message
... I use two Italian free newservers & noticed this strange happenstance: 1. aioe can NOT post to sci.electronics.repair 2. albasani CAN post to sci.electronics.repair That is, when I post with aioe as my free news server, I get, in PAN, the error "441 Banlist" when I try to submit the post (see screen shot): http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12360787.png However, if I change nothing but the free newsserver, I 'can' post to sci.electronics.repair (witness this post): I have this problem with no other newsgroup (to my knowledge). Do you have any debugging tools for me to figure out why this happens? Aioe's admin sets up the ban rules using Cleanfeed. If he gets complaints for just about anything, such as spamming, excessive cross-posting, off-topic, trolling he puts a group on his stupid banlist and punishes all the legitimate users because of a couple of bad boys. It's the mentality some teachers use for second-graders. If a miscreant won't come forward or stop his bad behavior the entire second-grade class is punished. HTH. -- Sir Gregory |
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Why would free newserver aioe be on s.e.r "441 banlist" but not a.h.r ?
"Sn!pe" wrote in message
.uk... Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· Âke wrote: [...] Aioe's admin sets up the ban rules using Cleanfeed. If he gets complaints for just about anything, such as spamming, excessive cross-posting, off-topic, trolling he puts a group on his stupid banlist and punishes all the legitimate users because of a couple of bad boys. It's the mentality some teachers use for second-graders. If a miscreant won't come forward or stop his bad behavior the entire second-grade class is punished. It's rather a pity that, as a result of gross abuse by a troll, aioe's admin is obliged to tighten up his posting criteria in this way. Obliged? C'mon, get real. Why is the aioe admin insulting those folks who are able to use the filters and/or kill files their clients provide? Why does he assume everybody is helpless and can't function without a nanny Usenet? -- Sir Gregory |
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Why would free newserver aioe be on s.e.r "441 banlist" but nota.h.r ?
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Danny D. wrote: I use two Italian free newservers & noticed this strange happenstance: 1. aioe can NOT post to sci.electronics.repair 2. albasani CAN post to sci.electronics.repair That is, when I post with aioe as my free news server, I get, in PAN, the error "441 Banlist" when I try to submit the post (see screen shot): http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12360787.png However, if I change nothing but the free newsserver, I 'can' post to sci.electronics.repair (witness this post): I have this problem with no other newsgroup (to my knowledge). Do you have any debugging tools for me to figure out why this happens? It's probably not anything that you are doing. If I recall properly, the sci.electronics.repair newsgroup is one which has had a problem of abusive postings (trolling, personal attacks, etc.) by a number of individuals over the past few years. Some of these abuses took place through the aioe news-server. When people complained to aioe about the abuses, aioe's reaction was to block the abuse by blocking most or all posting to this newsgroup. This sort of problem is common to many free services... since they're open to all (with little or no pre-registration or confirmation of the user's identity) they're prone to being abused. And, as they're free, the operators don't have a steady revenue stream to pay an employee to monitor for abuse and shut down individual abusers... all they can do is block the entire abused region (e.g. newsgroup). I don't know whether aioe blocked posting to this newsgroup from *all* of the Internet, or only from certain IP address ranges which were commonly used (or misused) by abusive posters. Nor do I know if it's possible to gain an "exemption" from the ban, by registering with aioe and confirming your identity and getting a password-protected account. Their service is free, and you're guaranteed to get just as much as you're paying for :-) -- Dave Platt AE6EO Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
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Why would free newserver aioe be on s.e.r "441 banlist" but nota.h.r ?
On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 11:31:09 -0800, Dave Platt wrote:
I don't know whether aioe blocked posting to this newsgroup from *all* of the Internet, or only from certain IP address ranges which were commonly used (or misused) by abusive posters. Thank you for that explanation. I just now sent a message to Paolo Amoroso at Aioe, asking if he can explain things - but if it's as you said, then there's not much I'm going to do (other than switch newsservers). I do understand that free means he can't spend a lot of time on things. I just wish I know what was going on, that's all. Thanks! |
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Why would free newserver aioe be on s.e.r "441 banlist" but nota.h.r ?
On 2013-03-07, Danny D. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 11:31:09 -0800, Dave Platt wrote: I don't know whether aioe blocked posting to this newsgroup from *all* of the Internet, or only from certain IP address ranges which were commonly used (or misused) by abusive posters. Thank you for that explanation. I just now sent a message to Paolo Amoroso at Aioe, asking if he can explain things - but if it's as you said, then there's not much I'm going to do (other than switch newsservers). I do understand that free means he can't spend a lot of time on things. I just wish I know what was going on, that's all. Thanks! AIOE is meant as a 'last resort' NSP, allowing anyone who can get an internet connection (and suitable software) to post to usenet - without having to register in advance, or at all, or make any payment, or any form of 'identification'. This might be a valuable service for someone living under an oppressive regime, for example. Sadly, people abuse it, and the provider has to try to minimise the abuse that gets posted (so as to protect his news-server from a usenet death penalty, which would render it useless) without silencing any of the very people the service is trying to help. If you have no reason to fear being traceable through account registration records, then you have no /need/ to use AIOE at all; there are other free-of-charge NSPs with whom you could register. If you abuse their services, they can cancel your account - which AIOE can't do, as there are no accounts. If you can afford it, help to keep usenet going by paying for your use of it. Text-only access needn't be expensive, or of course you can send whatever you can afford to one or more of the free servers. -- -- ^^^^^^^^^^ -- Whiskers -- ~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Why would free newserver aioe be on s.e.r "441 banlist" but nota.h.r ?
On Thu, 7 Mar 2013 14:28:12 -0500, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
"Sn!pe" wrote: Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· Âke wrote: [...] Aioe's admin sets up the ban rules using Cleanfeed. If he gets complaints for just about anything, such as spamming, excessive cross-posting, off-topic, trolling he puts a group on his stupid banlist and punishes all the legitimate users because of a couple of bad boys. It's the mentality some teachers use for second-graders. If a miscreant won't come forward or stop his bad behavior the entire second-grade class is punished. It's rather a pity that, as a result of gross abuse by a troll, aioe's admin is obliged to tighten up his posting criteria in this way. Obliged? C'mon, get real. Why is the aioe admin insulting those folks who are able to use the filters and/or kill files their clients provide? Why does he assume everybody is helpless and can't function without a nanny Usenet? His (free) service; his rules. I would do the same thing with all the blow-back. |
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Why would free newserver aioe be on s.e.r "441 banlist" but not a.h.r ?
"Danny D." wrote;
On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 21:30:35 +0000 Whiskers wrote: there are other free-of-charge NSPs with whom you could register. That's exactly how I got around the banlist in order to test what was going on. Albasani requires a registration, but its post worked. Aioe doesn't require a registration, and its post failed. Now I know why. Thanks to everyone who answered. You will find AIOE.org has extensive "ban lists" across many a newsgroup and indeed further filtering within whole groups. Like, try using "Derbyshire" and/or "Paul Derbyshire" in a Body or Subject of a post directed at a.f.newsservers. As per the above known troll s.e.repair was subjected to major troll/flame crusades back around 2003/4 and is - as best as I recall - the very first newsgroup Paolo initiated his Cleanfeed changes on. You will find all servers have variations on filtering. Albasani for instance requires a "followup-to" to be set on cross posts. Others limit cross posting and some do not allow X-Header injections. All of it is a discovery tour, enjoy... without being an ass. |
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"Allodoxaphobia" wrote in message
et... On Thu, 7 Mar 2013 14:28:12 -0500, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote: "Sn!pe" wrote: Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· Âke wrote: [...] Aioe's admin sets up the ban rules using Cleanfeed. If he gets complaints for just about anything, such as spamming, excessive cross-posting, off-topic, trolling he puts a group on his stupid banlist and punishes all the legitimate users because of a couple of bad boys. It's the mentality some teachers use for second-graders. If a miscreant won't come forward or stop his bad behavior the entire second-grade class is punished. It's rather a pity that, as a result of gross abuse by a troll, aioe's admin is obliged to tighten up his posting criteria in this way. Obliged? C'mon, get real. Why is the aioe admin insulting those folks who are able to use the filters and/or kill files their clients provide? Why does he assume everybody is helpless and can't function without a nanny Usenet? His (free) service; his rules. So you really believe that? Then I supposes when somebody drives drunk the wrong way down a freeway and has a head-on collision that kills other motorists you then say, "His car; his rules?" The Usenet network may be compared to a freeway and aioe may be compared to the automobile. Get a clue. These free NSPs are rogues who do whatever the hell they want to do on the freeway. The wrecks they cause don't seem to bother them one iota. -- Sir Gregory |
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