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Warwick Tubepath 5.1 amp
Believed to have been making an "electrical smoke" smell but performed
faultlessly for a gig, just general smokey smell , nothing specific to this amp, I am trying again to find out why this amp is supposed suspect and not anything else. During the gig the stage supply tripped out. Nothing found amiss and powered up lights and amps and continued . No discolourations / open Rs/ open user or 7 internal fuses etc. Removed the Zobell R and it is .8R rather than 1.5 ohm , but I don't think is discoloured enough to have been burning. No disc ceramics etc between ground and live / neutral. Filter block X2 type 375V ac across L-N marked .1uF R .46 measured .024uF on C and 1.2K on R scale on 1KHz RLC meter. Now hacked into and no sign of smoke or overheating inside the cladding. It lays next to the dropper for the mains relay and slightly discoloured cladding ,one-sided externally, from that proximity probably. Currently exploring the power amp which looks fine but in case one or more transistors has gone open circuit and brief enough short circuit to trip the mains trip but not any fuses . No trace of smoke around the large mains Tx but will unbolt to check underneath. Any other suspects that would leve no trace? How to find a problem , if there is not one to find? |
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Warwick Tubepath 5.1 amp
Tried a new X2 on the same meter, marked .1uF + 100R
this measures .1uF on C and 140R on R range, perhaps a bit more hacking into the original , maybe there is a trace of brown around the pins |
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Warwick Tubepath 5.1 amp
I don't think there was a resistor in the original mains filter .
Hacked in , breaking the sort of sintered looking metal at the leads leaving the metal to the capacitor at each end and 0 ohm lumps that hold the leads. I sacrificed a .1uF-100R new one and a very definite 3 band 100 ohm .5W ceramic/MO resistor in that between one terminal lead and the sintery edge of the capacitor. |
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Warwick Tubepath 5.1 amp
N_Cook Inscribed thus:
Believed to have been making an "electrical smoke" smell but performed faultlessly for a gig, just general smokey smell , nothing specific to this amp, I am trying again to find out why this amp is supposed suspect and not anything else. During the gig the stage supply tripped out. Nothing found amiss and powered up lights and amps and continued . No discolourations / open Rs/ open user or 7 internal fuses etc. Removed the Zobell R and it is .8R rather than 1.5 ohm , but I don't think is discoloured enough to have been burning. No disc ceramics etc between ground and live / neutral. Filter block X2 type 375V ac across L-N marked .1uF R .46 measured .024uF on C and 1.2K on R scale on 1KHz RLC meter. Now hacked into and no sign of smoke or overheating inside the cladding. It lays next to the dropper for the mains relay and slightly discoloured cladding ,one-sided externally, from that proximity probably. Currently exploring the power amp which looks fine but in case one or more transistors has gone open circuit and brief enough short circuit to trip the mains trip but not any fuses . No trace of smoke around the large mains Tx but will unbolt to check underneath. Any other suspects that would leve no trace? How to find a problem , if there is not one to find? Exploding tantalum bead cap ! -- Best Regards: Baron. |
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Warwick Tubepath 5.1 amp
Unwrapped the X2 cap , 1.7m long with a meandering 80 percent continuous
spark errosion line along the length averaging to the middle but no obvious burnt or melted patches. Whether thousands of instantaneous discharges would trip out an MCB or imbalance RCCD/ELCB/ GFCI , no idea. Owner had removed the cover and extracted a load of fluff from inside the minor fan air path. 4 of the 6 close pasked emitter Rs had faded printing plus the changed value Zobell , perhaps them seriously overheating was causing the electrical smoke smell. Change the X2 and Zobell and externally cleanable filter cloth going over the minor fan. the main fan you can shine a torch through front to back to check for any blockage The mains Tx nut was loose but no smoke trails inside other than black soft-plastic plasticiser, from the disc pads, leeching and brown staining of 2 bits of sticky tape that hold the white high temp covering tape winding in place. |
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