Electronics Repair (sci.electronics.repair) Discussion of repairing electronic equipment. Topics include requests for assistance, where to obtain servicing information and parts, techniques for diagnosis and repair, and annecdotes about success, failures and problems.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1   Report Post  
Posted to sci.electronics.repair
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 579
Default Sony KV-27V36 has weird PIP issue.

This Sony KV-27V36 was working fine until about an hour ago. When I turned
on the PIP, it initially looked fine. Then I did a few exchanges of channels
from the small window to the big window. I noticed the smaller window was
showing just static. I thought the cable had gone out for that station
because the larger window was still showing a clear picture. I hit the
switch button again and the problem still stayed with the smaller window. So
now I know that it's not the cable. There are only two choices in the setup
menu (not talking about the service menu) for cable channel select. They are
"on" or "off" and it's set to "on." To summarize, all the channels work
properly when the PIP is not active or if the PIP is active and you're
looking at the larger window. The smaller PIP window will work fine until
you reach channel 48. From channel 49 and above, it's all static. I'm fairly
certain that the way the two tuners operate is that they each stay on the
same station when you hit the switch button. All that changes is where the
pictures are displayed. Is that correct? If not, it would make sense that
one of the tuners is having tuning issues though I'm not sure what's so
special about channels 48 and above. The information I've researched doesn't
show those two channels (48 and 49) are situated on different bands. Any
ideas?

Thanks for your reply.
--
David Farber
Los Osos, CA


  #2   Report Post  
Posted to sci.electronics.repair
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 269
Default Sony KV-27V36 has weird PIP issue.

"David Farber" wrote in message
...
This Sony KV-27V36 was working fine until about an hour ago. When I turned
on the PIP, it initially looked fine. Then I did a few exchanges of
channels from the small window to the big window. I noticed the smaller
window was showing just static. I thought the cable had gone out for that
station because the larger window was still showing a clear picture. I hit
the switch button again and the problem still stayed with the smaller
window. So now I know that it's not the cable. There are only two choices
in the setup menu (not talking about the service menu) for cable channel
select. They are "on" or "off" and it's set to "on." To summarize, all the
channels work properly when the PIP is not active or if the PIP is active
and you're looking at the larger window. The smaller PIP window will work
fine until you reach channel 48. From channel 49 and above, it's all
static. I'm fairly certain that the way the two tuners operate is that
they each stay on the same station when you hit the switch button. All
that changes is where the pictures are displayed. Is that correct? If not,
it would make sense that one of the tuners is having tuning issues though
I'm not sure what's so special about channels 48 and above. The
information I've researched doesn't show those two channels (48 and 49)
are situated on different bands. Any ideas?

Thanks for your reply.
--
David Farber
Los Osos, CA


I would say it is the tuner itself. Might respond favorably to
resoldering...

Used to see lots of problems like this.

Mark Z.

  #3   Report Post  
Posted to sci.electronics.repair
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 263
Default Sony KV-27V36 has weird PIP issue.

On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:10:49 AM UTC-5, David Farber wrote:
I hit the

switch button again and the problem still stayed with the smaller window.


The Sonys of that era used two tuners for main and pip, but didn't swap the video between large and small windows, but swapped the channel instructions for each tuner as the swap button was pushed. That's why the problem stays with the particular screen window.

Those tuners were combo tuner and IF, and are known to have issues with grounds and bad connections on coils. You can replace the pip tuner if you can find one, or pull it and resolder. Some of those TVs in that era used double sided boards, and require a decent technique to pull the tuner (green boards). If it has the brown board, it's an easy pull. BTW, although the tuners look identical but they're not, so make sure to identify the correct one by pulling the RF input lead off each tuner to confirm the pip goes to snow.
  #4   Report Post  
Posted to sci.electronics.repair
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 579
Default Sony KV-27V36 has weird PIP issue.

Mark Zacharias wrote:
"David Farber" wrote in message
...
This Sony KV-27V36 was working fine until about an hour ago. When I
turned on the PIP, it initially looked fine. Then I did a few
exchanges of channels from the small window to the big window. I
noticed the smaller window was showing just static. I thought the
cable had gone out for that station because the larger window was
still showing a clear picture. I hit the switch button again and the
problem still stayed with the smaller window. So now I know that
it's not the cable. There are only two choices in the setup menu
(not talking about the service menu) for cable channel select. They
are "on" or "off" and it's set to "on." To summarize, all the
channels work properly when the PIP is not active or if the PIP is
active and you're looking at the larger window. The smaller PIP
window will work fine until you reach channel 48. From channel 49
and above, it's all static. I'm fairly certain that the way the two
tuners operate is that they each stay on the same station when you
hit the switch button. All that changes is where the pictures are
displayed. Is that correct? If not, it would make sense that one of
the tuners is having tuning issues though I'm not sure what's so
special about channels 48 and above. The information I've researched
doesn't show those two channels (48 and 49) are situated on
different bands. Any ideas? Thanks for your reply.
--
David Farber
Los Osos, CA


I would say it is the tuner itself. Might respond favorably to
resoldering...

Used to see lots of problems like this.

Mark Z.


Hi Mark,

Here I thought I would never again have the pleasure of resoldering a Sony
tuner/IF module. (-:

Thanks for your reply.

--
David Farber
Los Osos, CA



  #5   Report Post  
Posted to sci.electronics.repair
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 579
Default Sony KV-27V36 has weird PIP issue.

John-Del wrote:
On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:10:49 AM UTC-5, David Farber wrote:
I hit the

switch button again and the problem still stayed with the smaller
window.


The Sonys of that era used two tuners for main and pip, but didn't
swap the video between large and small windows, but swapped the
channel instructions for each tuner as the swap button was pushed.
That's why the problem stays with the particular screen window.

Those tuners were combo tuner and IF, and are known to have issues
with grounds and bad connections on coils. You can replace the pip
tuner if you can find one, or pull it and resolder. Some of those
TVs in that era used double sided boards, and require a decent
technique to pull the tuner (green boards). If it has the brown
board, it's an easy pull. BTW, although the tuners look identical
but they're not, so make sure to identify the correct one by pulling
the RF input lead off each tuner to confirm the pip goes to snow.


Hi John,

Knowing that the channel instructions are swapped instead of the tuners does
make this job easier. I'll be sure to mark the bad one before I pull it.

Thanks for your reply.
--
David Farber
Los Osos, CA




  #6   Report Post  
Posted to sci.electronics.repair
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 579
Default Sony KV-27V36 has weird PIP issue.

David Farber wrote:
John-Del wrote:
On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:10:49 AM UTC-5, David Farber wrote:
I hit the

switch button again and the problem still stayed with the smaller
window.


The Sonys of that era used two tuners for main and pip, but didn't
swap the video between large and small windows, but swapped the
channel instructions for each tuner as the swap button was pushed.
That's why the problem stays with the particular screen window.

Those tuners were combo tuner and IF, and are known to have issues
with grounds and bad connections on coils. You can replace the pip
tuner if you can find one, or pull it and resolder. Some of those
TVs in that era used double sided boards, and require a decent
technique to pull the tuner (green boards). If it has the brown
board, it's an easy pull. BTW, although the tuners look identical
but they're not, so make sure to identify the correct one by pulling
the RF input lead off each tuner to confirm the pip goes to snow.


Hi John,

Knowing that the channel instructions are swapped instead of the
tuners does make this job easier. I'll be sure to mark the bad one
before I pull it.
Thanks for your reply.


I pulled out the tuner and resoldered it. There was nothing out of the
ordinary that I saw. A few of the connections were beginning to crack but
nothing I saw that would have caused a failure. Anyway, I put it all back
together and it's still going to snow at channels 48 and above.

--
David Farber
Los Osos, CA


  #7   Report Post  
Posted to sci.electronics.repair
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 263
Default Sony KV-27V36 has weird PIP issue.

The connections that give the most trouble are the grounds both around the board perimeter, and the posts that poke through the pc. There's not a lot of ground redundancy in those tuners, so a single ground connection will cause problems. Deflux the board till it shines, get a bright light, use magnification, and reflow the board again. Don't overlook the small can coil connections.


On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:52:50 PM UTC-5, David Farber wrote:
David Farber wrote:

John-Del wrote:


On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:10:49 AM UTC-5, David Farber wrote:


I hit the




switch button again and the problem still stayed with the smaller


window.




The Sonys of that era used two tuners for main and pip, but didn't


swap the video between large and small windows, but swapped the


channel instructions for each tuner as the swap button was pushed.


That's why the problem stays with the particular screen window.




Those tuners were combo tuner and IF, and are known to have issues


with grounds and bad connections on coils. You can replace the pip


tuner if you can find one, or pull it and resolder. Some of those


TVs in that era used double sided boards, and require a decent


technique to pull the tuner (green boards). If it has the brown


board, it's an easy pull. BTW, although the tuners look identical


but they're not, so make sure to identify the correct one by pulling


the RF input lead off each tuner to confirm the pip goes to snow.




Hi John,




Knowing that the channel instructions are swapped instead of the


tuners does make this job easier. I'll be sure to mark the bad one


before I pull it.


Thanks for your reply.




I pulled out the tuner and resoldered it. There was nothing out of the

ordinary that I saw. A few of the connections were beginning to crack but

nothing I saw that would have caused a failure. Anyway, I put it all back

together and it's still going to snow at channels 48 and above.



--

David Farber

Los Osos, CA


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules

Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Weird auto radio issue isw Electronics Repair 3 April 7th 09 09:15 AM
adding bath fan, and weird ceiling issue Nate Nagel Home Repair 20 December 8th 08 05:10 PM
Sony KV-27V36 27" TV problem Boba Electronics Repair 2 June 5th 06 01:19 AM
weird lights issue Sasha Home Repair 18 December 14th 05 03:51 PM
RCA Big Screen Weird IR remote issue buzzdevil Electronics Repair 3 September 8th 05 03:27 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:35 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 DIYbanter.
The comments are property of their posters.
 

About Us

"It's about DIY & home improvement"