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can anyone recommend a provider that will service the Northeast? Thanks, Lenny
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try:
BasicISP.net (800) 456-3118
PO Box 511
Mount Vernon, OH 43050

may also be called copper.net

very cheap! easy to reach a person for customer service on technical
questions.

they have high speed interface too, soyou can 'upgrade' if you want.


They have a competitor, forgot their name.
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Actually with DSL being about $15 a month, dialup isn't worth it. Even if ou get it for ten bucks you would tie up your landline.

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Actually with DSL being about $15 a month, dialup isn't worth it. Even if ou get it for ten bucks you would tie up your landline.

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Where do yo get DSL for 15.00 a month? Our local phone company charges
us 46.00 a month. Lenny


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On Oct 19, 9:13 pm, wrote:
Actually with DSL being about $15 a month, dialup isn't worth it. Even if ou get it for ten bucks you would tie up your landline.

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Where do yo get DSL for 15.00 a month? Our local phone company charges
us 46.00 a month. Lenny



http://www.dslreports.com/search
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On 10/20/2012 5:02 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

klem kedidelhopper wrote:

On Oct 19, 9:13 pm, wrote:
Actually with DSL being about $15 a month, dialup isn't worth it. Even if ou get it for ten bucks you would tie up your landline.

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Where do yo get DSL for 15.00 a month? Our local phone company charges
us 46.00 a month. Lenny



http://www.dslreports.com/search


That's often not the whole story.
I pay 14.99/month for DSL. Problem is that I can't get it
without phone service that adds up to $43/month.
And the places that do have reasonably priced naked dsl
don't serve my neighborhood.
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On 10/20/2012 5:02 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

klem kedidelhopper wrote:

On Oct 19, 9:13 pm, wrote:
Actually with DSL being about $15 a month, dialup isn't worth it. Even if ou get it for ten bucks you would tie up your landline.

J

Where do yo get DSL for 15.00 a month? Our local phone company charges
us 46.00 a month. Lenny



http://www.dslreports.com/search


That's often not the whole story.
I pay 14.99/month for DSL. Problem is that I can't get it
without phone service that adds up to $43/month.
And the places that do have reasonably priced naked dsl
don't serve my neighborhood.



It's still one of the best places to start looking. I have broadband
through Brighthouse. I tried to talk a local business out of switching
from their T1 to DSL, but they wouldn't listen. Now they are finally
switching to broadband with Cox.
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J Where do yo get DSL for 15.00 a month? Our local phone company charges us 46.00 a month. Lenny

Wow. I can understand it being that along with landline ervice, but by itself ? Where are you Zimbabwe or something ? Just wow.

From what I understand for about $50 a month you can have true wireless. I mean that your modem will work almost anywhere and you need no cable or landline at all. They are gouging you if that's really the rate. (if you get that just get a Magicjack and you'll have phone with unlimited longdistance as well and can tell the ma bell to stick their service where it is sure not to get a sunburn)

Roadrunner comes to mind, I've heard of alot of people using it and I guess it works fine. I would shop around. But really, the true wireless for about fifty bucks, you can connect as many Magicjacks as your computer(s) can handle.

Just like the gas company bull****, a phone company must allow other providers to use their lines, although of course they charge for that. Somewhere on the web there is a site that lists what is available for your exchange and area code. Most likely Cnet would be a good place to start. IIRC their speedtest page had a link to it.

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can anyone recommend a provider that will service the Northeast? Thanks, Lenny


DSL should be at $20 U.S. or under, but it's only marginally better than dialup for speed. Sometimes it's so bad I get off the web and do something else for an hour, then try later. In fact, my son calls DSL "Dial-up Speed if Lucky". Once U*Verse hits my street, I can deal with Comcast for a better cable and internet rate.

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Actually I get pretty good results with DSL here. At my other house I had three PCs all running the speed test indicating about 2 MB/sec.simultaneously. I've gotten even better speeds on P2P. In fact I just checked it now with the Cnet test and it came out over 2.4. Hardly dialup.

What really gets me is that both houses have very old phone wiring. Apparently it's not the factor it's made out to be.

I think the DSL carrier operates like LVDS (low oltage differential signaling)so it works OK with these old wires. Probably when you get too many all squished together for too long a run it slows it down. That would be in a trunk cable.

So you got the distance from ma bell's substation as a factor, and not to forget the number of subscribers. That is becoming an issue in some areas as they themselves only have so much speed.

Let's put it this way, if your state only has one area code, you might get slow DSL. (sounds like Jeff Foxworthy huh) But here it works pretty well. I can understand it being slower in some areas, but I don't get why it would cost three times as much.

And don't kid yourself about cable either, I hear when they get too many subscribers they slow down as well.

About the P2P thing, when I get on a website and download a print or something, it gives me usually about 100K/second and change. Rarely 200K. This is obviously not my limitation. When on P2P to get those fantastic speeds you need to be downloading from multiple sources. The client software does that and when you get like 20 sources at once it flies.

So in the end, how much speed do you need ?

I still say if the DSL is that expensive then just go with totally wireless for fifty a month. Four bucks less and you have to screw around with filters and all that. In fact with a Magicjack you can drop ma bell altogether.

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Actually I get pretty good results with DSL here. At my other house I had three PCs all running the speed test indicating about 2 MB/sec.simultaneously. I've gotten even better speeds on P2P. In fact I just checked it now with the Cnet test and it came out over 2.4. Hardly dialup.

What really gets me is that both houses have very old phone wiring. Apparently it's not the factor it's made out to be.

I think the DSL carrier operates like LVDS (low oltage differential signaling)so it works OK with these old wires. Probably when you get too many all squished together for too long a run it slows it down. That would be in a trunk cable.

So you got the distance from ma bell's substation as a factor, and not to forget the number of subscribers. That is becoming an issue in some areas as they themselves only have so much speed.

Let's put it this way, if your state only has one area code, you might get slow DSL. (sounds like Jeff Foxworthy huh) But here it works pretty well. I can understand it being slower in some areas, but I don't get why it would cost three times as much.

And don't kid yourself about cable either, I hear when they get too many subscribers they slow down as well.

About the P2P thing, when I get on a website and download a print or something, it gives me usually about 100K/second and change. Rarely 200K. This is obviously not my limitation. When on P2P to get those fantastic speeds you need to be downloading from multiple sources. The client software does that and when you get like 20 sources at once it flies.

So in the end, how much speed do you need ?

.. I still say if the DSL is that expensive then just go with totally
wireless for fifty a month. Four bucks less and you have to screw
around with filters and all that. In fact with a Magicjack you can
drop ma bell altogether.

J


Two years ago I was set up with a Massachusetts company that offered
dialup for less than 4.00 a month with a one year paid in advance
contract. I signed up twice and never had a problem. Then my wife and
daughter in law started operating a business out of part of our house
and couldn't deal with the speed so they added DSL to my phone line.
Now they may be moving to larger quarters and so I would like to go
back to where I was. i just don't remember who the outfit was. Lenny
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Actually I get pretty good results with DSL here. At my other house I had three PCs all running the speed test indicating about 2 MB/sec.simultaneously. I've gotten even better speeds on P2P. In fact I just checked it now with the Cnet test and it came out over 2.4. Hardly dialup.

What really gets me is that both houses have very old phone wiring. Apparently it's not the factor it's made out to be.

I think the DSL carrier operates like LVDS (low oltage differential signaling)so it works OK with these old wires. Probably when you get too many all squished together for too long a run it slows it down. That would be in a trunk cable.

So you got the distance from ma bell's substation as a factor, and not to forget the number of subscribers. That is becoming an issue in some areas as they themselves only have so much speed.

Let's put it this way, if your state only has one area code, you might get slow DSL. (sounds like Jeff Foxworthy huh) But here it works pretty well. I can understand it being slower in some areas, but I don't get why it would cost three times as much.

And don't kid yourself about cable either, I hear when they get too many subscribers they slow down as well.



That's 'Fiber Enhanced Cable'. It is brought to an area on fiber and
connected to the existing bi direction CATV system. Each node is a
fixed size of a maximum number of connections. They started with 512
per node in this area, about 15 years ago. They have divided them in
half several times since then. My contract was for 4 Mb/s and it passes
12 Mb/s at times.
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That's often not the whole story.
I pay 14.99/month for DSL. Problem is that I can't get it
without phone service that adds up to $43/month.
And the places that do have reasonably priced naked dsl
don't serve my neighborhood.

Also, if you are too far from the central office, have RT's
instead of a CO, or your lines are crappy, they either won't
install DSL, or it will work horribly. Been there, done that.
Before AT&T took over Southwestern Bell, we had Telocity DSL,
which worked great. (This was a LONG time ago.) DirecTV
bought out Telocity and eventually closed the DSL business, and
I moved to Covad. That was great for a long time, then AT&T took
over. Perfectly good phone lines went to total crap, and the
DSL went to dial-up speeds, when it worked at all. Finally
Covad said your line is now at 18000 feet, we just can't support
you on such a wire, and we are not allowed to push AT&T to fix it.
So, I was forced to go with the cable monopoly. I don't like the
shared capacity part of the cable system, but with Docsis 3, the
slowdown at busy times is not very bad (used to be VERY noticeable
on Docsis 2).

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It's still one of the best places to start looking. I have broadband
through Brighthouse. I tried to talk a local business out of switching
from their T1 to DSL, but they wouldn't listen. Now they are finally
switching to broadband with Cox.

Part of my family was in Florida for a year and used Brighthouse, I was
VERY impressed by the snappy performance. We now have a 10X faster
rated speed with Charter, but it is nowhere as snappy. If you do pings
and traceroutes, it is obvious some of Charter's (and their backbone
providers) servers are BADLY overloaded.

Jon


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Jon Elson wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

It's still one of the best places to start looking. I have broadband
through Brighthouse. I tried to talk a local business out of switching
from their T1 to DSL, but they wouldn't listen. Now they are finally
switching to broadband with Cox.

Part of my family was in Florida for a year and used Brighthouse, I was
VERY impressed by the snappy performance. We now have a 10X faster
rated speed with Charter, but it is nowhere as snappy. If you do pings
and traceroutes, it is obvious some of Charter's (and their backbone
providers) servers are BADLY overloaded.



Time/Warner-Brighthouse owns a large part of the Roadrunner fiber
optic backbone that provides their internet services. I use earthlink
via the Roadrunner backbone. They have a 'lite' service for $29.99 a
month. They also offer a 40 Mb/s service for heavy users.
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