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Ian Field wrote:
"Jamie" wrote in message ... Ian Field wrote: "Jamie" wrote in message ... Chas wrote: "Jamie" t wrote in message ... Tom Del Rosso wrote: For the past couple of hours I've been trying to get the solder out of a hole. It's a mobo cap, and the other hole sucked right out. It's like an obstruction. The solder melts with difficulty, but even then I can't get a dental pick as deep as in the other hole. The cap pulled out easily on both leads. If you have some indium base solder or old leaded solder, reflow it with that, then suck it out.. Also, I've used my hot air wand to clear the holes. Jamie Carefully drill the solder out with a PCB drill slightly smaller than the hole. you must be careful to not remove the vias conductor when doing so. Jamie ***Easier said than done! I have a tip I made for my Hot air wand that has a hypodermic needle on it. I heat it up and hit the air switch and push it through the hole. Jamie.. ***Many years ago I made an SMD harvesting machine out of a portable LPG heater and an old fridge compressor. ***The copper pipe was coiled and stuffed behind the guard on the heater, right in front of the burners. A carburetor jet was peened into the end of the copper pipe to produce a fierce jet of very hot air. ***A cardboard box on its side opposite the nozzle caught most of the low flying SMDs, but I had to abandon it because it was just too hot sitting so close to the heater. When smt first started coming out, many of them were reusable and I had and old converted reflow toaster oven. Any boards I was trying to salvage smt parts on, I would switch on only the bottom heater to high and stick the board in there with a catch tray. Just keep tapping on the board top side with a metal wand so not to burn my fingers. This would knock off the components into the tray below and I could sort out the ones I wanted to keep. I harvest lots of smt parts doing that but after some time when money wasn't so tight, I then started to buy more new parts and found that easier. I still have a converted reflow oven I use when I do hand batches of small items. Jamie |
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I fully agree that adding leaded solder (and using a touch of liquid flux)
will make removal much easier. I often carefully use a round toothpick during the heat application to clear a blocked hole when I don't feel like setting up the desoldering station. I consider the RoHS regulations pointless for repairs, as repairs aren't manufacturing. If a tiny amount of lead would ever end up being an issue during recycling, then it's the recycler's problem (to me, same as some food left in a jar or the label on a recycled container). If the disposal of the same tiny amount of lead would be an environmental problem, then the waste company should be sending the item to a recycler instead of dumping it in a pit. -- Cheers, WB .............. "Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message ... For the past couple of hours I've been trying to get the solder out of a hole. It's a mobo cap, and the other hole sucked right out. It's like an obstruction. The solder melts with difficulty, but even then I can't get a dental pick as deep as in the other hole. The cap pulled out easily on both leads. |
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"Wild_Bill" wrote in message ... I fully agree that adding leaded solder (and using a touch of liquid flux) will make removal much easier. I often carefully use a round toothpick during the heat application to clear a blocked hole when I don't feel like setting up the desoldering station. I consider the RoHS regulations pointless for repairs, as repairs aren't manufacturing. If a tiny amount of lead would ever end up being an issue during recycling, ***In the UK we still have miles of Roman lead water pipes buried in the ground, and many more miles of the stuff that wasn't dug up in the 60's due to misplaced planning documents. We also have plenty of roofs made of lead sheet that are lashed by rain and hail that runs down into the groundwater - although metal thieves nicking the lead off roofs are taking care of that. ***Lead was mined out of the ground in the first place - whoever thought up that paragraph in the directive was clearly dropped on their head many times when they were little! |
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:11:52 +0100, "Ian Field"
wrote: "Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:44:45 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: ***Hot air (electric paint stripper) gun and a stiff paintbush - perfect for harvesting SMD parts. Yep, but I don't do it that way. With SMD, the problem is identifying the parts after they've been removed. I usually just want the active components anyway. ***One thing I particularly go after is the larger multilayer SMD chip capacitors, surprisingly large values in surprisingly small package. Also the larger discrete semiconductors, the TO251/252 fit less veroboard space than a TO92. Ian, lose the micro**** live garbage and use a real news reader. It is similar to wearing appropriate clothes. ?-) |
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"josephkk" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:11:52 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:44:45 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: ***Hot air (electric paint stripper) gun and a stiff paintbush - perfect for harvesting SMD parts. Yep, but I don't do it that way. With SMD, the problem is identifying the parts after they've been removed. I usually just want the active components anyway. ***One thing I particularly go after is the larger multilayer SMD chip capacitors, surprisingly large values in surprisingly small package. Also the larger discrete semiconductors, the TO251/252 fit less veroboard space than a TO92. Ian, lose the micro**** live garbage and use a real news reader. It is similar to wearing appropriate clothes. ***I've just installed Xananews which has halted with "pipeline out of sequence" error and refuses to load any messages in the group I've subscribed so far. ***Also installed Gravity - loads messages and indents correctly but the UI is an utter shambles!!! |
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Ian Field wrote:
"josephkk" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:11:52 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:44:45 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: ***Hot air (electric paint stripper) gun and a stiff paintbush - perfect for harvesting SMD parts. Yep, but I don't do it that way. With SMD, the problem is identifying the parts after they've been removed. I usually just want the active components anyway. ***One thing I particularly go after is the larger multilayer SMD chip capacitors, surprisingly large values in surprisingly small package. Also the larger discrete semiconductors, the TO251/252 fit less veroboard space than a TO92. Ian, lose the micro**** live garbage and use a real news reader. It is similar to wearing appropriate clothes. ***I've just installed Xananews which has halted with "pipeline out of sequence" error and refuses to load any messages in the group I've subscribed so far. ***Also installed Gravity - loads messages and indents correctly but the UI is an utter shambles!!! Hey, Ian, what's with the three asterisks? It makes you look like an Allison and a half. (*) Cheers Phil Hobbs (*) Phil A. uses two asterisks. -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 845-480-2058 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net |
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"Phil Hobbs" wrote in message ... Ian Field wrote: "josephkk" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:11:52 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:44:45 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: ***Hot air (electric paint stripper) gun and a stiff paintbush - perfect for harvesting SMD parts. Yep, but I don't do it that way. With SMD, the problem is identifying the parts after they've been removed. I usually just want the active components anyway. ***One thing I particularly go after is the larger multilayer SMD chip capacitors, surprisingly large values in surprisingly small package. Also the larger discrete semiconductors, the TO251/252 fit less veroboard space than a TO92. Ian, lose the micro**** live garbage and use a real news reader. It is similar to wearing appropriate clothes. ***I've just installed Xananews which has halted with "pipeline out of sequence" error and refuses to load any messages in the group I've subscribed so far. ***Also installed Gravity - loads messages and indents correctly but the UI is an utter shambles!!! Hey, Ian, what's with the three asterisks? It makes you look like an Allison and a half. (*) ### You have trouble reading!!!? |
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"Ian Field" wrote in
: "josephkk" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:11:52 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:44:45 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: ***Hot air (electric paint stripper) gun and a stiff paintbush - perfect for harvesting SMD parts. Yep, but I don't do it that way. With SMD, the problem is identifying the parts after they've been removed. I usually just want the active components anyway. ***One thing I particularly go after is the larger multilayer SMD chip capacitors, surprisingly large values in surprisingly small package. Also the larger discrete semiconductors, the TO251/252 fit less veroboard space than a TO92. Ian, lose the micro**** live garbage and use a real news reader. It is similar to wearing appropriate clothes. ***I've just installed Xananews which has halted with "pipeline out of sequence" error and refuses to load any messages in the group I've subscribed so far. ***Also installed Gravity - loads messages and indents correctly but the UI is an utter shambles!!! XNews works well,and it's free. it's also simple,ideal for me! -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
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"Jim Yanik" wrote in message ... "Ian Field" wrote in : "josephkk" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:11:52 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:44:45 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: ***Hot air (electric paint stripper) gun and a stiff paintbush - perfect for harvesting SMD parts. Yep, but I don't do it that way. With SMD, the problem is identifying the parts after they've been removed. I usually just want the active components anyway. ***One thing I particularly go after is the larger multilayer SMD chip capacitors, surprisingly large values in surprisingly small package. Also the larger discrete semiconductors, the TO251/252 fit less veroboard space than a TO92. Ian, lose the micro**** live garbage and use a real news reader. It is similar to wearing appropriate clothes. ***I've just installed Xananews which has halted with "pipeline out of sequence" error and refuses to load any messages in the group I've subscribed so far. ***Also installed Gravity - loads messages and indents correctly but the UI is an utter shambles!!! XNews works well,and it's free. it's also simple,ideal for me! ### that's what I always use for multipart binaries, but I can't get along with the UI for posting on text only groups. |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:40:01 +0100, "Ian Field"
wrote: Ian, lose the micro**** live garbage and use a real news reader. It is similar to wearing appropriate clothes. ***I've just installed Xananews which has halted with "pipeline out of sequence" error and refuses to load any messages in the group I've subscribed so far. ***Also installed Gravity - loads messages and indents correctly but the UI is an utter shambles!!! XNews works well,and it's free. it's also simple,ideal for me! ### that's what I always use for multipart binaries, but I can't get along with the UI for posting on text only groups. Microsloth removed prefixing quoted messages with " " in Windoze Live Mail 15 last year. You can install earlier versions (WLM 2009, or WLM 2011) and you'll have proper quoting. This explains the situation: http://www.w7forums.com/windows-live-mail-11-reply-t10514.html with some additional notes on quoting in Outlook Express. I would strongly recommend finding an alternative newsreader as your creative formatting is difficult to read, and makes little sense as you should be marking the quotes, not your added comments. I recommend Forte Agent 7 which does cost $29, but in my never humble opinion is worth it. 30 day demo to try it. http://www.forteinc.com -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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snip
XNews works well,and it's free. it's also simple,ideal for me! ### that's what I always use for multipart binaries, but I can't get along with the UI for posting on text only groups. Anothe vote for Xnews. It has a few minor quirks, but it's small & very fast. Doug White |
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A cousin of mine lost her first child to lead *paint* poisoning in the 1960s
(partly due to improper medical attention), but that infant would not have been injesting circuit board or plumbing parts. Anti-lead regulations are just one more BOHICA, by my estimation. The paint manufacturers came to the rescue with latex paint, which contained mercury in the early years.. maybe some of it still does. -- Cheers, WB .............. "Ian Field" wrote in message ... ***In the UK we still have miles of Roman lead water pipes buried in the ground, and many more miles of the stuff that wasn't dug up in the 60's due to misplaced planning documents. We also have plenty of roofs made of lead sheet that are lashed by rain and hail that runs down into the groundwater - although metal thieves nicking the lead off roofs are taking care of that. ***Lead was mined out of the ground in the first place - whoever thought up that paragraph in the directive was clearly dropped on their head many times when they were little! |
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"Doug White" wrote in message . .. snip XNews works well,and it's free. it's also simple,ideal for me! ### that's what I always use for multipart binaries, but I can't get along with the UI for posting on text only groups. Anothe vote for Xnews. It has a few minor quirks, but it's small & very fast. Doug White ### Another one with basic reading problems - what part of "I can't get along with the UI for posting on text only groups" do you not understand?! |
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On 22/07/2012 22:07, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Ian Field wrote: "josephkk" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:11:52 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:44:45 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: ***Hot air (electric paint stripper) gun and a stiff paintbush - perfect for harvesting SMD parts. Yep, but I don't do it that way. With SMD, the problem is identifying the parts after they've been removed. I usually just want the active components anyway. ***One thing I particularly go after is the larger multilayer SMD chip capacitors, surprisingly large values in surprisingly small package. Also the larger discrete semiconductors, the TO251/252 fit less veroboard space than a TO92. Ian, lose the micro**** live garbage and use a real news reader. It is similar to wearing appropriate clothes. ***I've just installed Xananews which has halted with "pipeline out of sequence" error and refuses to load any messages in the group I've subscribed so far. ***Also installed Gravity - loads messages and indents correctly but the UI is an utter shambles!!! Hey, Ian, what's with the three asterisks? It makes you look like an Allison and a half. (*) Cheers Phil Hobbs (*) Phil A. uses two asterisks. This is with Mozilla Thunderbird - any better? |
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"Wild_Bill" wrote in message ... A cousin of mine lost her first child to lead *paint* poisoning in the 1960s (partly due to improper medical attention), but that infant would not have been injesting circuit board or plumbing parts. Anti-lead regulations are just one more BOHICA, by my estimation. The paint manufacturers came to the rescue with latex paint, which contained mercury in the early years.. maybe some of it still does. -- Cheers, WB .............. "Ian Field" wrote in message ... ***In the UK we still have miles of Roman lead water pipes buried in the ground, and many more miles of the stuff that wasn't dug up in the 60's due to misplaced planning documents. We also have plenty of roofs made of lead sheet that are lashed by rain and hail that runs down into the groundwater - although metal thieves nicking the lead off roofs are taking care of that. ***Lead was mined out of the ground in the first place - whoever thought up that paragraph in the directive was clearly dropped on their head many times when they were little! ###While I remain against RoHS-Pb-free, I agree with the ban on lead in paint. The removal of lead from petrol was also a pretty good idea - annual petrochem procurement of lead for TEL anti-detonation additive was in the hundreds of thousands of tons! - This ended up floating about in the atmosphere for us to breath along with all the other exhaust particulates. It also precipitated with rain onto agriculture and contaminated livestock. The Brussels (braindead) suits just didn't understand the information put in front of them. |
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Ian Field wrote: On 22/07/2012 22:07, Phil Hobbs wrote: Hey, Ian, what's with the three asterisks? It makes you look like an Allison and a half. (*) Cheers Phil Hobbs (*) Phil A. uses two asterisks. This is with Mozilla Thunderbird - any better? Doesn't it look better to you? -- Reply in group, but if emailing add one more zero, and remove the last word. |
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On 07/23/2012 09:19 AM, Ian Field wrote:
On 22/07/2012 22:07, Phil Hobbs wrote: Ian Field wrote: "josephkk" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:11:52 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:44:45 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: ***Hot air (electric paint stripper) gun and a stiff paintbush - perfect for harvesting SMD parts. Yep, but I don't do it that way. With SMD, the problem is identifying the parts after they've been removed. I usually just want the active components anyway. ***One thing I particularly go after is the larger multilayer SMD chip capacitors, surprisingly large values in surprisingly small package. Also the larger discrete semiconductors, the TO251/252 fit less veroboard space than a TO92. Ian, lose the micro**** live garbage and use a real news reader. It is similar to wearing appropriate clothes. ***I've just installed Xananews which has halted with "pipeline out of sequence" error and refuses to load any messages in the group I've subscribed so far. ***Also installed Gravity - loads messages and indents correctly but the UI is an utter shambles!!! Hey, Ian, what's with the three asterisks? It makes you look like an Allison and a half. (*) Cheers Phil Hobbs (*) Phil A. uses two asterisks. This is with Mozilla Thunderbird - any better? Both quite readable, thanks. Just tweaking you a bit for the rather self-dramatizing look of setting off your pearls of wisdom with three splats.  Cheers Phil Hobbs |
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"Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message ... Ian Field wrote: On 22/07/2012 22:07, Phil Hobbs wrote: Hey, Ian, what's with the three asterisks? It makes you look like an Allison and a half. (*) Cheers Phil Hobbs (*) Phil A. uses two asterisks. This is with Mozilla Thunderbird - any better? Doesn't it look better to you? ### Pity the UI is F**king horrible! |
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The paint manufacturers came to the rescue with latex
paint, which contained mercury in the early years... Maybe some of it still does. Mercury compounds, actually, which were present to suppress mildew and other forms of attack by micro-organisms. |
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:19:15 +0100, Ian Field
wrote: This is with Mozilla Thunderbird - any better? Yes, much better. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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Ian Field wrote: "Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message ... Ian Field wrote: This is with Mozilla Thunderbird - any better? Doesn't it look better to you? ### Pity the UI is F**king horrible! Well you can get the source code and change it. I never looked at MS Live****, but I doubt it has a good UI especially for usenet. -- Reply in group, but if emailing add one more zero, and remove the last word. |
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"Ian Field" wrote in
: "Doug White" wrote in message . .. snip XNews works well,and it's free. it's also simple,ideal for me! ### that's what I always use for multipart binaries, but I can't get along with the UI for posting on text only groups. Anothe vote for Xnews. It has a few minor quirks, but it's small & very fast. Doug White ### Another one with basic reading problems - what part of "I can't get along with the UI for posting on text only groups" do you not understand?! I don't understand HOW you "don't get along with the UI". I don't like complex SW that takes a long time to learn,and Xnews is SO easy to use. If -I- can do it.... :-) -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
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"Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message ... Ian Field wrote: "Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message ... Ian Field wrote: This is with Mozilla Thunderbird - any better? Doesn't it look better to you? ### Pity the UI is F**king horrible! Well you can get the source code and change it. I never looked at MS Live****, but I doubt it has a good UI especially for usenet. ### WLM has a similar UI to OE - which is what I'm used to. ###I've also tried installing Xananews - the UI looks like it might be tolerable but I get "pipeline out of sequence" error when I try to get message body. ### Apparently "upgrading" to an older version of WLM can fix quoted text indentation - but I've yet to find a copy. |
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"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:19:15 +0100, Ian Field wrote: This is with Mozilla Thunderbird - any better? Yes, much better. ### Pity about the mangles UI though! |
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"Jim Yanik" wrote in message 4... "Ian Field" wrote in : "Doug White" wrote in message . .. snip XNews works well,and it's free. it's also simple,ideal for me! ### that's what I always use for multipart binaries, but I can't get along with the UI for posting on text only groups. Anothe vote for Xnews. It has a few minor quirks, but it's small & very fast. Doug White ### Another one with basic reading problems - what part of "I can't get along with the UI for posting on text only groups" do you not understand?! I don't understand HOW you "don't get along with the UI". I don't like complex SW that takes a long time to learn,and Xnews is SO easy to use. If -I- can do it.... :-) ### It might actually not seem so bad after the succession of mangled trainwrecks I've seen since trying to find an alternative to WLM. |
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:06:53 +0100, "Ian Field"
wrote: ### Pity about the mangles UI though! What type or style of user interface do you prefer? An example of a program that does it correctly will suffice. My theory is that users tends to favor whatever they learned first. Hopefully, you don't want something that looks like a teletype machine output. Did you at least look at Forte Agent? -- # Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060 # 831-336-2558 # http://802.11junk.com # http://www.LearnByDestroying.com AE6KS |
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"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:06:53 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: ### Pity about the mangles UI though! What type or style of user interface do you prefer? An example of a program that does it correctly will suffice. My theory is that users tends to favor whatever they learned first. Hopefully, you don't want something that looks like a teletype machine output. Did you at least look at Forte Agent? Found a standalone install of WLM2009. There's top menus missing compared to the latest version, but last time I posted with it the indenting was OK. |
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 14:50:08 +0100, "Ian Field"
wrote: Found a standalone install of WLM2009. Befo X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 After: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 Yeah, that looks like the right version. There's top menus missing compared to the latest version, but last time I posted with it the indenting was OK. Indents and quotes are now fine and your messages are readable. Congrats. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 14:50:08 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: Found a standalone install of WLM2009. Befo X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 After: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 Yeah, that looks like the right version. There's top menus missing compared to the latest version, but last time I posted with it the indenting was OK. Indents and quotes are now fine and your messages are readable. Congrats. Just in case it helps anyone else, this is where I found the standalone WLM2009 installer: http://www.geekonthepc.com/2010/10/1...als-2009-back/ There is a WLM2009 online installer on Filehippo, and the install files are still accessible on the M$ server (for now!). Live Essentials 2011 must be completely uninstalled first or it will report there's a newer version installed and refuse to proceed. |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:44:15 +0100, "Ian Field"
wrote: "josephkk" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:11:52 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:44:45 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: ***Hot air (electric paint stripper) gun and a stiff paintbush - perfect for harvesting SMD parts. Yep, but I don't do it that way. With SMD, the problem is identifying the parts after they've been removed. I usually just want the active components anyway. ***One thing I particularly go after is the larger multilayer SMD chip capacitors, surprisingly large values in surprisingly small package. Also the larger discrete semiconductors, the TO251/252 fit less veroboard space than a TO92. Ian, lose the micro**** live garbage and use a real news reader. It is similar to wearing appropriate clothes. ***I've just installed Xananews which has halted with "pipeline out of sequence" error and refuses to load any messages in the group I've subscribed so far. ***Also installed Gravity - loads messages and indents correctly but the UI is an utter shambles!!! Well at least you are trying. Personally i use agent and it is about the best i have tried. And i have tried a lot, that was some time ago now. ?-) |
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"josephkk" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:44:15 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "josephkk" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:11:52 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:44:45 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: ***Hot air (electric paint stripper) gun and a stiff paintbush - perfect for harvesting SMD parts. Yep, but I don't do it that way. With SMD, the problem is identifying the parts after they've been removed. I usually just want the active components anyway. ***One thing I particularly go after is the larger multilayer SMD chip capacitors, surprisingly large values in surprisingly small package. Also the larger discrete semiconductors, the TO251/252 fit less veroboard space than a TO92. Ian, lose the micro**** live garbage and use a real news reader. It is similar to wearing appropriate clothes. ***I've just installed Xananews which has halted with "pipeline out of sequence" error and refuses to load any messages in the group I've subscribed so far. ***Also installed Gravity - loads messages and indents correctly but the UI is an utter shambles!!! Well at least you are trying. Personally i use agent and it is about the best i have tried. And i have tried a lot, that was some time ago now. ?-) Found a standalone installer for Live Essentials 2009 in which live mail indents correctly. Here's the link in case it helps anyone else: http://www.geekonthepc.com/2010/10/1...als-2009-back/ |
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:00:04 +0100, "Ian Field"
wrote: "Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message ... Ian Field wrote: On 22/07/2012 22:07, Phil Hobbs wrote: Hey, Ian, what's with the three asterisks? It makes you look like an Allison and a half. (*) Cheers Phil Hobbs (*) Phil A. uses two asterisks. This is with Mozilla Thunderbird - any better? Doesn't it look better to you? ### Pity the UI is F**king horrible! Not sure about your idea of UI usability but thunderbird sure beats the pants off of the google web interfarce (not difficult to do). ?-) |
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:05:48 +0100, "Ian Field"
wrote: "Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message ... Ian Field wrote: "Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message ... Ian Field wrote: This is with Mozilla Thunderbird - any better? Doesn't it look better to you? ### Pity the UI is F**king horrible! Well you can get the source code and change it. I never looked at MS Live****, but I doubt it has a good UI especially for usenet. ### WLM has a similar UI to OE - which is what I'm used to. ###I've also tried installing Xananews - the UI looks like it might be tolerable but I get "pipeline out of sequence" error when I try to get message body. ### Apparently "upgrading" to an older version of WLM can fix quoted text indentation - but I've yet to find a copy. Plus you will be doomed to fighting the updater forever. Get a real news reader. It is a different interface, M$ f***d that up. ?-) |
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:10:31 +0100, "Ian Field"
wrote: "josephkk" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:44:15 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "josephkk" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:11:52 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message m... On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:44:45 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: ***Hot air (electric paint stripper) gun and a stiff paintbush - perfect for harvesting SMD parts. Yep, but I don't do it that way. With SMD, the problem is identifying the parts after they've been removed. I usually just want the active components anyway. ***One thing I particularly go after is the larger multilayer SMD chip capacitors, surprisingly large values in surprisingly small package. Also the larger discrete semiconductors, the TO251/252 fit less veroboard space than a TO92. Ian, lose the micro**** live garbage and use a real news reader. It is similar to wearing appropriate clothes. ***I've just installed Xananews which has halted with "pipeline out of sequence" error and refuses to load any messages in the group I've subscribed so far. ***Also installed Gravity - loads messages and indents correctly but the UI is an utter shambles!!! Well at least you are trying. Personally i use agent and it is about the best i have tried. And i have tried a lot, that was some time ago now. ?-) Found a standalone installer for Live Essentials 2009 in which live mail indents correctly. Here's the link in case it helps anyone else: http://www.geekonthepc.com/2010/10/1...als-2009-back/ Megasnot didn't invent usenet, they think they have a vested interest in destroying it. A proper news reader does have a different kind of interface, it must as the demesnes predates M$. ?-) |
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Jamie t wrote in message
... N_Cook wrote: Jamie t wrote in message ... Ian Field wrote: "Jamie" wrote in message ... Chas wrote: "Jamie" t wrote in message ... Tom Del Rosso wrote: For the past couple of hours I've been trying to get the solder out of a hole. It's a mobo cap, and the other hole sucked right out. It's like an obstruction. The solder melts with difficulty, but even then I can't get a dental pick as deep as in the other hole. The cap pulled out easily on both leads. If you have some indium base solder or old leaded solder, reflow it with that, then suck it out.. Also, I've used my hot air wand to clear the holes. Jamie Carefully drill the solder out with a PCB drill slightly smaller than the hole. you must be careful to not remove the vias conductor when doing so. Jamie ***Easier said than done! I have a tip I made for my Hot air wand that has a hypodermic needle on it. I heat it up and hit the air switch and push it through the hole. Jamie.. What is that like with PbF ?. Hypos use stainless steel and I find stainless steel is a reasonable identifier of PbF as it determinedly sticks to stainless steel, does the capilliary bore of the needle then totally block with solder? you have your air pump when when doing so. No, it does not stick to the needles I use. In fact, I can just shake it and the solder will fall off. Jamie I thought the capilliary force might take the molten solder up the tube , even just a surface coating inside would mount up each time , until full clog. So I take it that is not the case. |
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"josephkk" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:05:48 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message ... Ian Field wrote: "Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message ... Ian Field wrote: This is with Mozilla Thunderbird - any better? Doesn't it look better to you? ### Pity the UI is F**king horrible! Well you can get the source code and change it. I never looked at MS Live****, but I doubt it has a good UI especially for usenet. ### WLM has a similar UI to OE - which is what I'm used to. ###I've also tried installing Xananews - the UI looks like it might be tolerable but I get "pipeline out of sequence" error when I try to get message body. ### Apparently "upgrading" to an older version of WLM can fix quoted text indentation - but I've yet to find a copy. Plus you will be doomed to fighting the updater forever. Get a real news reader. It is a different interface, M$ f***d that up. Unless (and probably if) I want to pay for a "real" news reader - all the one's I've found the UI was a mangled train wreck!!!!! In WLM2009, the news UI is actually faulty - but compared to the 4 or 5 readers I tried, its just about tolerable. Had I not found WLM2009 - I would have carried on using WLM2011 and just ignored the howls of protest. |
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josephkk wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:00:04 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message ... Ian Field wrote: On 22/07/2012 22:07, Phil Hobbs wrote: Hey, Ian, what's with the three asterisks? It makes you look like an Allison and a half. (*) Cheers Phil Hobbs (*) Phil A. uses two asterisks. This is with Mozilla Thunderbird - any better? Doesn't it look better to you? ### Pity the UI is F**king horrible! Not sure about your idea of UI usability but thunderbird sure beats the pants off of the google web interfarce (not difficult to do). So does Netscape 4.8 |
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josephkk wrote: Megasnot didn't invent usenet, they think they have a vested interest in destroying it. A proper news reader does have a different kind of interface, it must as the demesnes predates M$. It's another case of coders writing for something they don't use. They are all hat & no horse. ;-) |
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