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The end of incandescent bulbs?
I heard that all incandescent bulbs will quit being produced and illegal to sell
in 2013. Is that true? I've also heard that some bulbs like the Par 38 outdoor spots and floods might continue to be available. Is that true? Someone said they thought pretty much all halogen bulbs will still be available... Can someone there tell me what the truth actually is? What about entertainment bulbs, like Par 64s and 56s, and aircraft landing lights...??? |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
I heard that all incandescent bulbs will quit being
produced and illegal to sell in 2013. Is that true? No. Only 100W bulbs. Lower-wattage conventional bulbs will be gradually phased out. Decorative and special-purpose bulbs (such as those used to light ovens and refrigerators) will be around for a long time. What about entertainment bulbs, like Par 64s and 56s, and aircraft landing lights...??? "Throw every light we've got on the runway!" |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
In article , dh@. wrote:
I heard that all incandescent bulbs will quit being produced and illegal to sell in 2013. Is that true? I've also heard that some bulbs like the Par 38 outdoor spots and floods might continue to be available. Is that true? Someone said they thought pretty much all halogen bulbs will still be available... Can someone there tell me what the truth actually is? What about entertainment bulbs, like Par 64s and 56s, and aircraft landing lights...??? Not "all" incandescent light bulbs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-o...nt_light_bulbs gives a reasonable overview. The high points: - The regs mandate a minimum lumens/watt requirement for bulbs in various wattage ranges. - The standards kick in over time... currently the U.S. standards for 100-watt bulbs will start applying in October of this year. Bulbs of lesser wattages have later implementation dates... 40 watt bulbs are the last ones to which this set of standards will apply (I don't know the date). California has already implemented an efficiency standard that has taken the standard 100-watt incandescent bulbs off of the shelves, I believe. - As I understand it, most halogen bulbs do meet the efficiency requirements... a "100-watt equivalent" halogen bulb draws around 75 watts. - "Light bulbs outside of this range are exempt from the restrictions. Also exempt are several classes of specialty lights, including appliance lamps, rough service bulbs, 3-way, colored lamps, stage lighting, and plant lights." - A second tier of restrictions is scheduled to become effective in 2020, which will require all "general-purpose' bulbs to deliver at least 45 lumens per watt (CFL and LED would comply, incandescent and halogen would not). "Exemptions from the Act include reflector flood, 3-way, candelabra, colored, and other specialty bulbs". There are other regulations, in various areas, having to do with lumen efficiency for outdoor area lighting (e.g. parking lot lights). I read one article in a trade journal recently which indicated that almost all new commercial outdoor area lighting being bid for these days is LED - the reduced electricity cost and reduced maintenance and improved color rendering (compared to mercury or sodium vapor) is making it the go-to choice. -- Dave Platt AE6EO Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
I heard that all incandescent bulbs will quit being produced and illegal to sell
in 2013. Is that true? I've also heard that some bulbs like the Par 38 outdoor spots and floods might continue to be available. Is that true? Someone said they thought pretty much all halogen bulbs will still be available... Can someone there tell me what the truth actually is? What about entertainment bulbs, like Par 64s and 56s, and aircraft landing lights...??? Additional datum: the language in the energy-efficiency bill in question states: `(D) GENERAL SERVICE INCANDESCENT LAMP.- `(i) IN GENERAL.-The term general service incandescent lamp' means a standard incandescent or halogen type lamp that- (I) is intended for general service applications; (II) has a medium screw base; (III) has a lumen range of not less than 310 lumens and not more than 2,600 lumens; and (IV) is capable of being operated at a voltage range at least partially within 110 and 130 volts There are a boatload of explicit exclusions, including reflector lamps (which I believe would thus exclude outdoor par and spot bulbs), appliance lamps, rough- and vibration-service lamps, colored lamps, etc. -- Dave Platt AE6EO Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
On 5/2/2012 4:04 PM, dh@. wrote:
I heard that all incandescent bulbs will quit being produced and illegal to sell in 2013. Is that true? I've also heard that some bulbs like the Par 38 outdoor spots and floods might continue to be available. Is that true? Someone said they thought pretty much all halogen bulbs will still be available... Can someone there tell me what the truth actually is? What about entertainment bulbs, like Par 64s and 56s, and aircraft landing lights...??? In order to answer those questions one would need crystal balls, mine are brass. Tom |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
"Dave Platt" wrote in message ... In article , dh@. wrote: I heard that all incandescent bulbs will quit being produced and illegal to sell in 2013. Is that true? I've also heard that some bulbs like the Par 38 outdoor spots and floods might continue to be available. Is that true? Someone said they thought pretty much all halogen bulbs will still be available... Can someone there tell me what the truth actually is? What about entertainment bulbs, like Par 64s and 56s, and aircraft landing lights...??? Not "all" incandescent light bulbs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-o...nt_light_bulbs gives a reasonable overview. The high points: - The regs mandate a minimum lumens/watt requirement for bulbs in various wattage ranges. - The standards kick in over time... currently the U.S. standards for 100-watt bulbs will start applying in October of this year. Bulbs of lesser wattages have later implementation dates... 40 watt bulbs are the last ones to which this set of standards will apply (I don't know the date). California has already implemented an efficiency standard that has taken the standard 100-watt incandescent bulbs off of the shelves, I believe. - As I understand it, most halogen bulbs do meet the efficiency requirements... a "100-watt equivalent" halogen bulb draws around 75 watts. - "Light bulbs outside of this range are exempt from the restrictions. Also exempt are several classes of specialty lights, including appliance lamps, rough service bulbs, 3-way, colored lamps, stage lighting, and plant lights." - A second tier of restrictions is scheduled to become effective in 2020, which will require all "general-purpose' bulbs to deliver at least 45 lumens per watt (CFL and LED would comply, incandescent and halogen would not). "Exemptions from the Act include reflector flood, 3-way, candelabra, colored, and other specialty bulbs". There are other regulations, in various areas, having to do with lumen efficiency for outdoor area lighting (e.g. parking lot lights). I read one article in a trade journal recently which indicated that almost all new commercial outdoor area lighting being bid for these days is LED - the reduced electricity cost and reduced maintenance and improved color rendering (compared to mercury or sodium vapor) is making it the go-to choice. -- You can get 101 watt bulbs ;) http://www.servicelighting.com/Sylvania-13305-101A23-6M-120V-A23-Standard-Incandescent-Light-Bulb cheers |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
On May 2, 3:04*pm, dh@. wrote:
I heard that all incandescent bulbs will quit being produced and illegal to sell in 2013. Is that true? I've also heard that some bulbs like the Par 38 outdoor spots and floods might continue to be available. Is that true? Someone said they thought pretty much all halogen bulbs will still be available... Can someone there tell me what the truth actually is? What about entertainment bulbs, like Par 64s and 56s, and aircraft landing lights...??? AHHHH! What about my lava lamp!!?? |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
AHHHH! What about my Lava Lamp!!??
Good point. Stock up on the bulbs you need. I have two Giants. I think they take 100W bulbs. |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
On Wed, 02 May 2012 16:04:17 -0400, dh wrote:
I heard that all incandescent bulbs will quit being produced and illegal to sell in 2013. Is that true? I've also heard that some bulbs like the snip Geez, I can just see the black market in light bulbs... go to the guy on the corner, he takes you into an alley, you look over the wares, buy something... hope it's not burned out already... hope the police don't stop you along the way and search you... I can get you a 100 W for only sixty bucks! -- Man 1: Ask me the what the most important thing about telling a good joke is. Man 2: OK, what is the most impo -- Man 1: ______TIMING! |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
William Sommerwerck wrote: I heard that all incandescent bulbs will quit being produced and illegal to sell in 2013. Is that true? No. Only 100W bulbs. Lower-wattage conventional bulbs will be gradually phased out. Decorative and special-purpose bulbs (such as those used to light ovens and refrigerators) will be around for a long time. What about entertainment bulbs, like Par 64s and 56s, and aircraft landing lights...??? "Throw every light we've got on the runway!" The ****'s really gonna hit the fan now. -- Reply in group, but if emailing add one more zero, and remove the last word. |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
"Throw every light we've got on the runway!"
The ****'s really gonna hit the fan now. I watched the Blu-ray last night. You wouldn't believe it, but it's /gorgeous/ -- apparently from the composite negative. Biroc's lighting has rich shadows, and creates the appropriate atmosphere for each scene. The Blu-ray is so much better than any other version I've seen, that I have to unreservedly recommend it. |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
dh@. wrote:
I heard that all incandescent bulbs will quit being produced and illegal to sell in 2013. Is that true? I've also heard that some bulbs like the Par 38 outdoor spots and floods might continue to be available. Is that true? Someone said they thought pretty much all halogen bulbs will still be available... Can someone there tell me what the truth actually is? What about entertainment bulbs, like Par 64s and 56s, and aircraft landing lights...??? Aircraft landing lights are obviously terrorist made and subject to attack by the TSA... |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
William Sommerwerck wrote: "Throw every light we've got on the runway!" The ****'s really gonna hit the fan now. I watched the Blu-ray last night. You wouldn't believe it, but it's /gorgeous/ -- apparently from the composite negative. Biroc's lighting has rich shadows, and creates the appropriate atmosphere for each scene. The Blu-ray is so much better than any other version I've seen, that I have to unreservedly recommend it. I wasn't "aware" of Biroc, but his work goes back to It's a Wonderful Life. I bet the Jello looks good on blu-ray. -- Reply in group, but if emailing add one more zero, and remove the last word. |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
"Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message
... William Sommerwerck wrote: "Throw every light we've got on the runway!" The ****'s really gonna hit the fan now. I watched the Blu-ray last night. You wouldn't believe it, but it's /gorgeous/ -- apparently from the composite negative. Biroc's lighting has rich shadows, and creates an apt atmosphere for each scene. The Blu-ray is so much better than any other version I've seen, that I have to unreservedly recommend it. I wasn't "aware" of Biroc, but his work goes back to "It's a Wonderful Life". Though he's a famous cinematographer, his daylight outdoor work in "Blazing Saddles" was poor. In watching Blu-ray films, of all eras, I've noticed the indoor lighting is almost always much superior to the outdoor (qv, "Bridge on the River Kwai"). This isn't surprising -- you have full control of the lighting on a set. I bet the Jell-O looks good on Blu-ray. Both flavors. |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
On Wed, 02 May 2012 16:04:17 -0400, dh@. wrote:
I heard that all incandescent bulbs will quit being produced and illegal to sell in 2013. Is that true? I've also heard that some bulbs like the Par 38 outdoor spots and floods might continue to be available. Is that true? Someone said they thought pretty much all halogen bulbs will still be available... Can someone there tell me what the truth actually is? What about entertainment bulbs, like Par 64s and 56s, and aircraft landing lights...??? We just bought 500 each of 100, 75, and 60 watt bulbs. Maybe we should buy more. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com http://www.highlandtechnology.com Precision electronic instrumentation Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators Custom laser drivers and controllers Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links VME thermocouple, LVDT, synchro acquisition and simulation |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
dh@. wrote in message ... I heard that all incandescent bulbs will quit being produced and illegal to sell in 2013. Is that true? I've also heard that some bulbs like the Par 38 outdoor spots and floods might continue to be available. Is that true? Someone said they thought pretty much all halogen bulbs will still be available... Can someone there tell me what the truth actually is? What about entertainment bulbs, like Par 64s and 56s, and aircraft landing lights...??? On a recent trip to the supermarket I saw offerings of 20W & 70W halogen capsules enclosed in a regular sized glass globe with a regular brass cap. AFAIK ar least some types of halogen lamp are exempt. |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
"Ian Field" wrote in message ... dh@. wrote in message ... I heard that all incandescent bulbs will quit being produced and illegal to sell in 2013. Is that true? I've also heard that some bulbs like the Par 38 outdoor spots and floods might continue to be available. Is that true? Someone said they thought pretty much all halogen bulbs will still be available... Can someone there tell me what the truth actually is? What about entertainment bulbs, like Par 64s and 56s, and aircraft landing lights...??? On a recent trip to the supermarket I saw offerings of 20W & 70W halogen capsules enclosed in a regular sized glass globe with a regular brass cap. AFAIK ar least some types of halogen lamp are exempt. I use those, and very good they are too. At least having a frosted envelope, they produce a nice diffuse light, unlike the clear types, which are pretty much all you can get in a 'standard' incandescent now here in the UK. One of the stores that I do work for, stocks a nifty 'DIY' bulb where you buy an adaptor base once, and an appropriate shaped frosted envelope once, and a replaceable halogen capsule bulb. That way you can 'construct' your own standard or golf ball or candle or whatever other shapes they do, bulb. Then when it fails, you just unscrew the outer envelope, replace the capsule bulb inside, and screw the outer envelope back on. These, and the commercially available type mentioned above by Ian, are great where you have a light fitting that exposes the bulb. I have three such lampshades (actually crystal teardrops) and they look god-awful if you put an ecobollox CFL in them ... Arfa |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
On Thu, 03 May 2012 11:54:37 -0700, John Larkin
wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2012 16:04:17 -0400, dh@. wrote: I heard that all incandescent bulbs will quit being produced and illegal to sell in 2013. Is that true? I've also heard that some bulbs like the Par 38 outdoor spots and floods might continue to be available. Is that true? Someone said they thought pretty much all halogen bulbs will still be available... Can someone there tell me what the truth actually is? What about entertainment bulbs, like Par 64s and 56s, and aircraft landing lights...??? We just bought 500 each of 100, 75, and 60 watt bulbs. Maybe we should buy more. I have 100 100s and 200 60s. That's stock for home use. |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
This is an old funny story, but apparently you can still get it..
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...heatballs.html |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
On May 3, 5:46*pm, "
wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2012 11:54:37 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2012 16:04:17 -0400, dh@. wrote: I heard that all incandescent bulbs will quit being produced and illegal to sell in 2013. Is that true? I've also heard that some bulbs like the Par 38 outdoor spots and floods might continue to be available. Is that true? Someone said they thought pretty much all halogen bulbs will still be available... Can someone there tell me what the truth actually is? What about entertainment bulbs, like Par 64s and 56s, and aircraft landing lights...??? We just bought 500 each of 100, 75, and 60 watt bulbs. Maybe we should buy more. I have 100 100s and 200 60s. *That's stock for home use. I saw some 71 watt incandescents for sale. They were energy saver types, but I didn't buy any. Where do they come up with a number like 71 watts? -Bill |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
On Sat, 5 May 2012 18:06:29 -0700 (PDT), Bill Bowden
wrote: On May 3, 5:46*pm, " wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2012 11:54:37 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2012 16:04:17 -0400, dh@. wrote: I heard that all incandescent bulbs will quit being produced and illegal to sell in 2013. Is that true? I've also heard that some bulbs like the Par 38 outdoor spots and floods might continue to be available. Is that true? Someone said they thought pretty much all halogen bulbs will still be available... Can someone there tell me what the truth actually is? What about entertainment bulbs, like Par 64s and 56s, and aircraft landing lights...??? We just bought 500 each of 100, 75, and 60 watt bulbs. Maybe we should buy more. I have 100 100s and 200 60s. *That's stock for home use. I saw some 71 watt incandescents for sale. They were energy saver types, but I didn't buy any. Where do they come up with a number like 71 watts? I've seen odd numbers like that with heavy service bulbs, and the like. Basically, they have a heavier filament... |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
I saw some 71 watt incandescents for sale. They were
energy-saver types, but I didn't buy any. Where do they come up with a number like 71 watts? There are such things as 75W bulbs, so replacing one with a 71W bulb will save you 100Wh every 25 hours of operation. If the bulb is on all the time, you'd save about $3.50 in electricity a year. I've seen odd numbers like that with heavy service bulbs, and the like. Basically, they have a heavier filament. Actually, for a given light output (notice the qualification!!!), heavy-duty bulbs (like the 130V bulbs installed in hard-to-get-to places, such as garage-door openers) waste energy. The lower the temperature of the filament, the less visible light is produced. (This is covered in just about any physics book.) But the bulb lasts longer, as the life of an incandescent bulb varies as the 12th power (!!!) of the applied voltage. This is why tungsten-halogen bulbs produce more light than regular incandescents. The bulb can run hotter, because the halogen cycle (which requires the higher temperature) returns evaporated tungsten to the filament. The catch is that you have to leave the bulb on for a while for this to occur -- you can't be constantly turning it on and off. And if you use a dimmer, you can't dim the bulb "just a bit", because you'll halt the halogen cycle, without meaningfully lowering the filament's temperature. (I've seen this.) To paraphrase Pope... "A little dimming is a dangerous thing. Dim deep, or enter not the power-saving stream." |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
"Bill Bowden" wrote in message ... On May 3, 5:46 pm, " wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2012 11:54:37 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2012 16:04:17 -0400, dh@. wrote: I heard that all incandescent bulbs will quit being produced and illegal to sell in 2013. Is that true? I've also heard that some bulbs like the Par 38 outdoor spots and floods might continue to be available. Is that true? Someone said they thought pretty much all halogen bulbs will still be available... Can someone there tell me what the truth actually is? What about entertainment bulbs, like Par 64s and 56s, and aircraft landing lights...??? We just bought 500 each of 100, 75, and 60 watt bulbs. Maybe we should buy more. I have 100 100s and 200 60s. That's stock for home use. I saw some 71 watt incandescents for sale. They were energy saver types, but I didn't buy any. Where do they come up with a number like 71 watts? -Bill vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv Maybe they were manufactured to a specification other than wattage rating - and that's what they ended up as. |
The end of incandescent bulbs?
You can get 101 watt bulbs ;) http://www.servicelighting.com/Sylvania-13305-101A23-6M-120V-A23-Standard-Incandescent-Light-Bulb cheers I'd assume those would be classified as "specialty" bulbs. The MBTA transit system in Boston used to use those "Street Railway" bulbs long before all the fluorescent & HID lighting. There were made by Sylvania (GTE) & also came in 56, 151 & 201 watts. Think I still have a few NIB one's around from the 80s. |
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