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Removing film cables from connector from Lumix digital camera.
Trying to remove the film cables from this pc board. There doesn't seem to
be anything obvious that will release the connector. Can it be as simple as pulling very hard? Any other ideas? http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixite...oard-Lumix.jpg Thanks for your help. |
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Removing film cables from connector from Lumix digital camera.
If the white connector is soldered to the PC board, then it follows (as
night the day) that the cable must force-fitted to the connector. (This is not uncommon.) Otherwise, the /cable/ would be soldered to the board (not the connector), right? Notice the ears? They're almost certainly holding points for pulling out the cable. Grab them, and pull gently. If this doesn't work, I will deny ever giving you advice. In fact, I am disclaiming this post, a priori. |
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William Sommerwerck wrote:
If the white connector is soldered to the PC board, then it follows (as night the day) that the cable must force-fitted to the connector. (This is not uncommon.) Otherwise, the /cable/ would be soldered to the board (not the connector), right? Notice the ears? They're almost certainly holding points for pulling out the cable. Grab them, and pull gently. If this doesn't work, I will deny ever giving you advice. In fact, I am disclaiming this post, a priori. Hi William, I actually posted this message trying to help fix my friend's Lumix DMC-FH20 camera. When the camera is powered on, the lens cycles in and out and subsequently it displays a zoom error on the screen and that's about as far as you can go. When it's powered off, the lens retracts, then it extends, and the power goes off. So unless you take the battery out while the lens is retracted, the lens will be extended when powered off. Since the lens seems to be opening and closing fully, I thought I would see if I could find something obvious within the mechanism. Anyway, did you mean to say that I should hold onto the ears and pull the cable or hold onto the ears and pull something on the connector? That flex cable is extremely thin and I don't think it would take much force to damage it. Just for reference sake, here is the link to the photo. http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixite...oard-Lumix.jpg Thanks for your reply. -- David Farber Los Osos, CA |
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Removing film cables from connector from Lumix digital camera.
"David Farber" wrote in message
... I actually posted this message trying to help fix my friend's Lumix DMC-FH20 camera. When the camera is powered on, the lens cycles in and out and subsequently it displays a zoom error on the screen and that's about as far as you can go. When it's powered off, the lens retracts, then it extends, and the power goes off. So unless you take the battery out while the lens is retracted, the lens will be extended when powered off. Since the lens seems to be opening and closing fully, I thought I would see if I could find something obvious within the mechanism. Anyway, did you mean to say that I should hold onto the ears and pull the cable or hold onto the ears and pull something on the connector? That flex cable is extremely thin and I don't think it would take much force to damage it. As I said in my post, the cable is almost certainly forced into the connector. Pulling on the connector would do no good. (Some connectors of this type have a "retainer" around the cable, but I don't see one here.) So... pull the cable. Or not. It doesn't look loose. I don't think pulling it and reinserting it (would else would you do?) will have any effect on the camera's behavior. I would have the camera professionally serviced. |
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Removing film cables from connector from Lumix digital camera.
"David Farber" wrote in message ... William Sommerwerck wrote: If the white connector is soldered to the PC board, then it follows (as night the day) that the cable must force-fitted to the connector. (This is not uncommon.) Otherwise, the /cable/ would be soldered to the board (not the connector), right? Notice the ears? They're almost certainly holding points for pulling out the cable. Grab them, and pull gently. If this doesn't work, I will deny ever giving you advice. In fact, I am disclaiming this post, a priori. Hi William, I actually posted this message trying to help fix my friend's Lumix DMC-FH20 camera. When the camera is powered on, the lens cycles in and out and subsequently it displays a zoom error on the screen and that's about as far as you can go. When it's powered off, the lens retracts, then it extends, and the power goes off. So unless you take the battery out while the lens is retracted, the lens will be extended when powered off. Since the lens seems to be opening and closing fully, I thought I would see if I could find something obvious within the mechanism. Anyway, did you mean to say that I should hold onto the ears and pull the cable or hold onto the ears and pull something on the connector? That flex cable is extremely thin and I don't think it would take much force to damage it. Just for reference sake, here is the link to the photo. http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixite...oard-Lumix.jpg Thanks for your reply. -- David Farber Los Osos, CA David, the white bit almost certainly moves somehow. Probably hinges upwards, or hinges upwards after moving it back towards the ribbon cable. I would NOT just try and pull the cable out. The simple fact that one part of the connector is white and the other black, means they are two separate parts and have been fitted together to clamp the cable in place. Any push in connector would go into a single moulding. Gareth. |
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Removing film cables from connector from Lumix digital camera.
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:14:12 -0700, "Ted Ladewski"
wrote: Trying to remove the film cables from this pc board. There doesn't seem to be anything obvious that will release the connector. Can it be as simple as pulling very hard? Any other ideas? http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixite...oard-Lumix.jpg Thanks for your help. This looks similar to connectors on laptops - not surprisingly. The cable is probably clamped in place and to release the clamp the very ends of the connector will move a little bit towards the cable. This releases the clamp and the cable will slide out easily. Be gentle, the plastic is not strong! (Dont ask how I know!!!). David |
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Removing film cables from connector from Lumix digital camera.
This is what happens when we're asked to give advice to someone with
essentially no service experience, but we can't actually see the "device under repair". I don't see anything that suggests a clamp release. And I've seen products were the cabling is, indeed, connected simply by shoving it in. REGARDLESS... This yet another example of someone who wants a quick 'n easy fix. Does anyone have ANY idea how removing and reseating this cable will fix the problem? (The problem is probably a bad switch or connection in the lens.) I urge the owner to close up the camera, and either throw it in the trash, or take it to an authorized service shop. And if the owner does discard the camera, he should smash it first, so that someone cannot find it and have a working camera for the cost of the repair. |
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Removing film cables from connector from Lumix digital camera.
"David" wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:14:12 -0700, "Ted Ladewski" wrote: Trying to remove the film cables from this pc board. There doesn't seem to be anything obvious that will release the connector. Can it be as simple as pulling very hard? Any other ideas? http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixite...oard-Lumix.jpg Thanks for your help. This looks similar to connectors on laptops - not surprisingly. The cable is probably clamped in place and to release the clamp the very ends of the connector will move a little bit towards the cable. This releases the clamp and the cable will slide out easily. Be gentle, the plastic is not strong! (Dont ask how I know!!!). David I'll tell you how I know - years ago I rendered my Playstation useless by breaking something similar to this. On an unfamiliar connector, it's often not at all easy to figure out what you are supposed to do, and how hard you are supposed to do it, until you suddenly exceed the limit of the second question. Doh! Gareth. |
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Removing film cables from connector from Lumix digital camera.
I'll tell you how I know -- years ago I rendered my Playstation
useless by breaking something similar to this. On an unfamiliar connector, it's often not at all easy to figure out what you are supposed to do, and how hard you are supposed to do it, until you suddenly exceed the limit of the second question. If you don't mind my beating this horse to death... WHAT, EXACTLY, IS THE POINT OR PURPOSE OF REMOVING THIS CABLE? Does anyone have any idea -- other than that "something" might happen that will magically fix the camera when the cable is reinserted? |
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Removing film cables from connector from Lumix digital camera.
"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... I'll tell you how I know -- years ago I rendered my Playstation useless by breaking something similar to this. On an unfamiliar connector, it's often not at all easy to figure out what you are supposed to do, and how hard you are supposed to do it, until you suddenly exceed the limit of the second question. If you don't mind my beating this horse to death... WHAT, EXACTLY, IS THE POINT OR PURPOSE OF REMOVING THIS CABLE? Does anyone have any idea -- other than that "something" might happen that will magically fix the camera when the cable is reinserted? Good grief: http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...0.0.0.0.0..0.0. Gareth. |
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Removing film cables from connector from Lumix digital camera.
Does anyone have any idea -- other than that "something"
might happen that will magically fix the camera when the cable is reinserted? Good grief: http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...0.0.0.0.0..0.0. I admit to surprise at learning that simple vibration can dislodge these cables. Considering how everything is (sort of) squashed together, this is unexpected. I've been servicing equipment on and off (more off than on for the past 20 years) for almost 55 years. I wouldn't generally open something with so many small parts in the hope I "just might" find something fixable. The cable shown doesn't appear to be displaced (but one never knows). I don't see any justification for yanking it. Thomas Hardman's forgetfulness in putting things back where they belong, not to mention getting the front panel to fit correctly, are normal for anyone working on products of this sort. You'll drive yourself crazy. I watched the Canon 5D2 teardown/reassembly. (I own one.) Give the larger size of this camera's components, and its modular construction, I'd feel much less uncomfortable tearing into it than a pocket camera. Nevertheless, I would never do it, unless I had a good idea of what was wrong before opening it. It appears lens jamming is most-often caused by dirt. I'm lucky; though I've owned cameras with telescoping lenses, this has never happened to me. The following is a serious suggestion. I'm not trying to trick you into damaging the camera. Turn the camera on, and slam it (back facing down) against a soft pillow. This is potentially dangerous, as you might damage the LCD. |
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Removing film cables from connector from Lumix digital camera.
William Sommerwerck wrote:
Does anyone have any idea -- other than that "something" might happen that will magically fix the camera when the cable is reinserted? Good grief: http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...0.0.0.0.0..0.0. I admit to surprise at learning that simple vibration can dislodge these cables. Considering how everything is (sort of) squashed together, this is unexpected. I've been servicing equipment on and off (more off than on for the past 20 years) for almost 55 years. I wouldn't generally open something with so many small parts in the hope I "just might" find something fixable. The cable shown doesn't appear to be displaced (but one never knows). I don't see any justification for yanking it. Thomas Hardman's forgetfulness in putting things back where they belong, not to mention getting the front panel to fit correctly, are normal for anyone working on products of this sort. You'll drive yourself crazy. I watched the Canon 5D2 teardown/reassembly. (I own one.) Give the larger size of this camera's components, and its modular construction, I'd feel much less uncomfortable tearing into it than a pocket camera. Nevertheless, I would never do it, unless I had a good idea of what was wrong before opening it. It appears lens jamming is most-often caused by dirt. I'm lucky; though I've owned cameras with telescoping lenses, this has never happened to me. The following is a serious suggestion. I'm not trying to trick you into damaging the camera. Turn the camera on, and slam it (back facing down) against a soft pillow. This is potentially dangerous, as you might damage the LCD. Hi William, I'm sorry if I didn't make it more clear from the outset what the point of all this was. A friend asked me to look at his digital camera. The camera would power up with a "zoom error" message on the display. We looked for simple solutions like sand or dirt in the zoom mechanism but since the lens seemed to be zooming in and out freely, I decided to try and dismantle the camera. The reason for removing the flexible cables is so that I can remove the lens mechanism (whose cables are attached to the pc board) and see if there is some other obvious reason. The cost of the camera was less than $165 so it's really not worth sending it away for repair. Thanks for your reply. -- David Farber Los Osos, CA |
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David wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:14:12 -0700, "Ted Ladewski" wrote: Trying to remove the film cables from this pc board. There doesn't seem to be anything obvious that will release the connector. Can it be as simple as pulling very hard? Any other ideas? http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixite...oard-Lumix.jpg Thanks for your help. This looks similar to connectors on laptops - not surprisingly. The cable is probably clamped in place and to release the clamp the very ends of the connector will move a little bit towards the cable. This releases the clamp and the cable will slide out easily. Be gentle, the plastic is not strong! (Dont ask how I know!!!). David Hi David, I am familiar with those connectors that use a sliding mechanism to clamp the cable in place. Those have been around forever. It doesn't seem to be designed like that. I've pushed and pulled gently in every direction and if it isn't one solid piece, I can't figure it out how to unlock it. -- David Farber Los Osos, CA |
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Removing film cables from connector from Lumix digital camera.
I'm sorry if I didn't make it more clear from the outset what the point of
all this was. A friend asked me to look at his digital camera. The camera would power up with a "zoom error" message on the display. We looked for simple solutions like sand or dirt in the zoom mechanism but since the lens seemed to be zooming in and out freely, I decided to try and dismantle the camera. The reason for removing the flexible cables is so that I can remove the lens mechanism (whose cables are attached to the pc board) and see if there is some other obvious reason. The cost of the camera was less than $165 so it's really not worth sending it away for repair. Thanks for your reply. And thank you for clarifying the situation. |
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Removing film cables from connector from Lumix digital camera.
I am familiar with those connectors that use a sliding mechanism to clamp
the cable in place. Those have been around forever. It doesn't seem to be designed like that. I've pushed and pulled gently in every direction and if it isn't one solid piece, I can't figure it out how to unlock it. It's possible the cable is soldered to the board, with the "connector" serving as a strain relief. However, soldering the cable would make the unit difficult to repair. (Hmmm...) Do you have a good magnifier? A careful nosing around might reveal something not apparent in the photo (which, by the way, is of excellent quality). |
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On Tue, 1 May 2012 10:22:27 -0700, "David Farber"
wrote: David wrote: On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:14:12 -0700, "Ted Ladewski" wrote: Trying to remove the film cables from this pc board. There doesn't seem to be anything obvious that will release the connector. Can it be as simple as pulling very hard? Any other ideas? http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixite...oard-Lumix.jpg Thanks for your help. This looks similar to connectors on laptops - not surprisingly. The cable is probably clamped in place and to release the clamp the very ends of the connector will move a little bit towards the cable. This releases the clamp and the cable will slide out easily. Be gentle, the plastic is not strong! (Dont ask how I know!!!). David Hi David, I am familiar with those connectors that use a sliding mechanism to clamp the cable in place. Those have been around forever. It doesn't seem to be designed like that. I've pushed and pulled gently in every direction and if it isn't one solid piece, I can't figure it out how to unlock it. It's hard to see clearly from the picture but at the very end of each side of the connector are little pieces which stick out towards the cable. These look at though they could be the locks which slide towards the cable to release the clamp. They definitely look as though they are not molded to the main part of the connector. David |
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"David Farber" wrote in message ... David wrote: On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:14:12 -0700, "Ted Ladewski" wrote: Trying to remove the film cables from this pc board. There doesn't seem to be anything obvious that will release the connector. Can it be as simple as pulling very hard? Any other ideas? http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixite...oard-Lumix.jpg Thanks for your help. This looks similar to connectors on laptops - not surprisingly. The cable is probably clamped in place and to release the clamp the very ends of the connector will move a little bit towards the cable. This releases the clamp and the cable will slide out easily. Be gentle, the plastic is not strong! (Dont ask how I know!!!). David Hi David, I am familiar with those connectors that use a sliding mechanism to clamp the cable in place. Those have been around forever. It doesn't seem to be designed like that. I've pushed and pulled gently in every direction and if it isn't one solid piece, I can't figure it out how to unlock it. -- David Farber Los Osos, CA Have a trawl through the Youtube videos on digital camera repair, chances are there is footage of someone extracting a cable from the same design of connector. Gareth. |
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On 5/2/2012 4:40 AM, Gareth Magennis wrote:
"David wrote in message ... David wrote: On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:14:12 -0700, "Ted Ladewski" wrote: Trying to remove the film cables from this pc board. There doesn't seem to be anything obvious that will release the connector. Can it be as simple as pulling very hard? Any other ideas? http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixite...oard-Lumix.jpg Thanks for your help. This looks similar to connectors on laptops - not surprisingly. The cable is probably clamped in place and to release the clamp the very ends of the connector will move a little bit towards the cable. This releases the clamp and the cable will slide out easily. Be gentle, the plastic is not strong! (Dont ask how I know!!!). David Hi David, I am familiar with those connectors that use a sliding mechanism to clamp the cable in place. Those have been around forever. It doesn't seem to be designed like that. I've pushed and pulled gently in every direction and if it isn't one solid piece, I can't figure it out how to unlock it. -- David Farber Los Osos, CA Have a trawl through the Youtube videos on digital camera repair, chances are there is footage of someone extracting a cable from the same design of connector. Gareth. there are hinged clamps that you need to flip up. there are sliding clamps that you need to slide out. If you get them mixed up, you break the connector. There are at least two types that don't have a clamp. One has a thicker backing plastic that sticks out far enough to give you something to push on when reinserting it. Another is low insertion force and does not have the backing plastic. You reinsert it by grabbing the two tabs and gently rocking it into place. You might want to quietly chant a prayer to your favorite deity while you do it. The pix doesn't have enough resolution to tell, but the slots in the top piece and the parting line in the top corners and the metal parts suggest that the top section might slide back. In any case, you DO NOT want to kink the cable. It becomes pretty obvious the second time you do it. ;-) |
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mike wrote:
On 5/2/2012 4:40 AM, Gareth Magennis wrote: "David wrote in message ... David wrote: On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:14:12 -0700, "Ted Ladewski" wrote: Trying to remove the film cables from this pc board. There doesn't seem to be anything obvious that will release the connector. Can it be as simple as pulling very hard? Any other ideas? http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixite...oard-Lumix.jpg Thanks for your help. This looks similar to connectors on laptops - not surprisingly. The cable is probably clamped in place and to release the clamp the very ends of the connector will move a little bit towards the cable. This releases the clamp and the cable will slide out easily. Be gentle, the plastic is not strong! (Dont ask how I know!!!). David Hi David, I am familiar with those connectors that use a sliding mechanism to clamp the cable in place. Those have been around forever. It doesn't seem to be designed like that. I've pushed and pulled gently in every direction and if it isn't one solid piece, I can't figure it out how to unlock it. -- David Farber Los Osos, CA Have a trawl through the Youtube videos on digital camera repair, chances are there is footage of someone extracting a cable from the same design of connector. Gareth. there are hinged clamps that you need to flip up. there are sliding clamps that you need to slide out. If you get them mixed up, you break the connector. There are at least two types that don't have a clamp. One has a thicker backing plastic that sticks out far enough to give you something to push on when reinserting it. Another is low insertion force and does not have the backing plastic. You reinsert it by grabbing the two tabs and gently rocking it into place. You might want to quietly chant a prayer to your favorite deity while you do it. The pix doesn't have enough resolution to tell, but the slots in the top piece and the parting line in the top corners and the metal parts suggest that the top section might slide back. In any case, you DO NOT want to kink the cable. It becomes pretty obvious the second time you do it. ;-) I decided that there was no way that this clamp had any movable parts in it. I grabbed the cable and rocked it back and forth firmly, but not too hard, and it came out. Here is what the camera looked like disassembled. http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixite...sassembled.jpg You can see that there are three receptacles on the pc board. It was very tricky putting the cables back in (two for the lens, one for the monitor). Usually, the cables have some reinforcement on the end that you can grab onto and then push so it seats firmly in the socket. I gave up trying to do that. This is the thinnest cable I've ever worked with. However, there was the slightest of ridges at the border between the lightly colored part of the cable and where the exposed terminals begin. That allowed me get some advantage. I lined up the cable with the socket and used the pc board to support it. That was important because the only way to slide it in was to stick my two thumbnails on either side of the cable where the ridge was and push it in little by little. After about four attempts I finally got the monitor to come on but the video was staticky. I then used the same trick on the cable from the lens assembly and then the picture was normal. Then, after reassembly of the rest of the unit, it powered up with no more zoom error. I guess it was just one of those things you take apart, put it back together and we'll see how long it works. Thanks for all your replies. -- David Farber Los Osos, CA |
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David Farber wrote:
mike wrote: On 5/2/2012 4:40 AM, Gareth Magennis wrote: "David wrote in message ... David wrote: On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:14:12 -0700, "Ted Ladewski" wrote: Trying to remove the film cables from this pc board. There doesn't seem to be anything obvious that will release the connector. Can it be as simple as pulling very hard? Any other ideas? http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixite...oard-Lumix.jpg Thanks for your help. This looks similar to connectors on laptops - not surprisingly. The cable is probably clamped in place and to release the clamp the very ends of the connector will move a little bit towards the cable. This releases the clamp and the cable will slide out easily. Be gentle, the plastic is not strong! (Dont ask how I know!!!). David Hi David, I am familiar with those connectors that use a sliding mechanism to clamp the cable in place. Those have been around forever. It doesn't seem to be designed like that. I've pushed and pulled gently in every direction and if it isn't one solid piece, I can't figure it out how to unlock it. -- David Farber Los Osos, CA Have a trawl through the Youtube videos on digital camera repair, chances are there is footage of someone extracting a cable from the same design of connector. Gareth. there are hinged clamps that you need to flip up. there are sliding clamps that you need to slide out. If you get them mixed up, you break the connector. There are at least two types that don't have a clamp. One has a thicker backing plastic that sticks out far enough to give you something to push on when reinserting it. Another is low insertion force and does not have the backing plastic. You reinsert it by grabbing the two tabs and gently rocking it into place. You might want to quietly chant a prayer to your favorite deity while you do it. The pix doesn't have enough resolution to tell, but the slots in the top piece and the parting line in the top corners and the metal parts suggest that the top section might slide back. In any case, you DO NOT want to kink the cable. It becomes pretty obvious the second time you do it. ;-) I decided that there was no way that this clamp had any movable parts in it. I grabbed the cable and rocked it back and forth firmly, but not too hard, and it came out. Here is what the camera looked like disassembled. http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixite...sassembled.jpg You can see that there are three receptacles on the pc board. It was very tricky putting the cables back in (two for the lens, one for the monitor). Usually, the cables have some reinforcement on the end that you can grab onto and then push so it seats firmly in the socket. I gave up trying to do that. This is the thinnest cable I've ever worked with. However, there was the slightest of ridges at the border between the lightly colored part of the cable and where the exposed terminals begin. That allowed me get some advantage. I lined up the cable with the socket and used the pc board to support it. That was important because the only way to slide it in was to stick my two thumbnails on either side of the cable where the ridge was and push it in little by little. After about four attempts I finally got the monitor to come on but the video was staticky. I then used the same trick on the cable from the lens assembly and then the picture was normal. Then, after reassembly of the rest of the unit, it powered up with no more zoom error. I guess it was just one of those things you take apart, put it back together and we'll see how long it works. Thanks for all your replies. One more picture of the pc board. http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixite...d-close-up.jpg -- David Farber Los Osos, CA |
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I decided there was no way this clamp had any movable
parts. I grabbed the cable and rocked it back and forth firmly, but not too hard, and it came out. smug, self-satisfied, supercilious smirk |
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Then, after reassembly of the rest of the unit, it powered up
with no more zoom error. I guess it was just one of those things you take apart, put it back together and we'll see how long it works. That's good news -- especially after I gave you such a bad time. I sincerely hope it continues to work properly. Too often, products "play nice" while you're messing with them, then revert when you leave them. |
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Removing film cables from connector from Lumix digital camera.
On Wed, 2 May 2012 13:05:23 -0700, "David Farber"
wrote: mike wrote: On 5/2/2012 4:40 AM, Gareth Magennis wrote: "David wrote in message ... David wrote: On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:14:12 -0700, "Ted Ladewski" wrote: Trying to remove the film cables from this pc board. There doesn't seem to be anything obvious that will release the connector. Can it be as simple as pulling very hard? Any other ideas? http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixite...oard-Lumix.jpg Thanks for your help. This looks similar to connectors on laptops - not surprisingly. The cable is probably clamped in place and to release the clamp the very ends of the connector will move a little bit towards the cable. This releases the clamp and the cable will slide out easily. Be gentle, the plastic is not strong! (Dont ask how I know!!!). David Hi David, I am familiar with those connectors that use a sliding mechanism to clamp the cable in place. Those have been around forever. It doesn't seem to be designed like that. I've pushed and pulled gently in every direction and if it isn't one solid piece, I can't figure it out how to unlock it. -- David Farber Los Osos, CA Have a trawl through the Youtube videos on digital camera repair, chances are there is footage of someone extracting a cable from the same design of connector. Gareth. there are hinged clamps that you need to flip up. there are sliding clamps that you need to slide out. If you get them mixed up, you break the connector. There are at least two types that don't have a clamp. One has a thicker backing plastic that sticks out far enough to give you something to push on when reinserting it. Another is low insertion force and does not have the backing plastic. You reinsert it by grabbing the two tabs and gently rocking it into place. You might want to quietly chant a prayer to your favorite deity while you do it. The pix doesn't have enough resolution to tell, but the slots in the top piece and the parting line in the top corners and the metal parts suggest that the top section might slide back. In any case, you DO NOT want to kink the cable. It becomes pretty obvious the second time you do it. ;-) I decided that there was no way that this clamp had any movable parts in it. I grabbed the cable and rocked it back and forth firmly, but not too hard, and it came out. Here is what the camera looked like disassembled. http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixite...sassembled.jpg You can see that there are three receptacles on the pc board. It was very tricky putting the cables back in (two for the lens, one for the monitor). Usually, the cables have some reinforcement on the end that you can grab onto and then push so it seats firmly in the socket. I gave up trying to do that. This is the thinnest cable I've ever worked with. However, there was the slightest of ridges at the border between the lightly colored part of the cable and where the exposed terminals begin. That allowed me get some advantage. I lined up the cable with the socket and used the pc board to support it. That was important because the only way to slide it in was to stick my two thumbnails on either side of the cable where the ridge was and push it in little by little. After about four attempts I finally got the monitor to come on but the video was staticky. I then used the same trick on the cable from the lens assembly and then the picture was normal. Then, after reassembly of the rest of the unit, it powered up with no more zoom error. I guess it was just one of those things you take apart, put it back together and we'll see how long it works. I had a PC like that once. Had to take all of the bits off the motherboard every 6 months or so or it would crash like fury! The story was that heat cycling allowed a little bit of "oxide" to form on some contacts which gave an intermittent contact. Pulling apart and reassembling wiped the contacts clean - for 6 months! David Thanks for all your replies. |
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Removing film cables from connector from Lumix digital camera.
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... mike wrote: On 5/2/2012 4:40 AM, Gareth Magennis wrote: "David wrote in message ... David wrote: On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:14:12 -0700, "Ted Ladewski" wrote: Trying to remove the film cables from this pc board. There doesn't seem to be anything obvious that will release the connector. Can it be as simple as pulling very hard? Any other ideas? http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixite...oard-Lumix.jpg Thanks for your help. This looks similar to connectors on laptops - not surprisingly. The cable is probably clamped in place and to release the clamp the very ends of the connector will move a little bit towards the cable. This releases the clamp and the cable will slide out easily. Be gentle, the plastic is not strong! (Dont ask how I know!!!). David Hi David, I am familiar with those connectors that use a sliding mechanism to clamp the cable in place. Those have been around forever. It doesn't seem to be designed like that. I've pushed and pulled gently in every direction and if it isn't one solid piece, I can't figure it out how to unlock it. -- David Farber Los Osos, CA Have a trawl through the Youtube videos on digital camera repair, chances are there is footage of someone extracting a cable from the same design of connector. Gareth. there are hinged clamps that you need to flip up. there are sliding clamps that you need to slide out. If you get them mixed up, you break the connector. There are at least two types that don't have a clamp. One has a thicker backing plastic that sticks out far enough to give you something to push on when reinserting it. Another is low insertion force and does not have the backing plastic. You reinsert it by grabbing the two tabs and gently rocking it into place. You might want to quietly chant a prayer to your favorite deity while you do it. The pix doesn't have enough resolution to tell, but the slots in the top piece and the parting line in the top corners and the metal parts suggest that the top section might slide back. In any case, you DO NOT want to kink the cable. It becomes pretty obvious the second time you do it. ;-) I decided that there was no way that this clamp had any movable parts in it. I grabbed the cable and rocked it back and forth firmly, but not too hard, and it came out. Here is what the camera looked like disassembled. http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixite...x-disassembled. jpg You can see that there are three receptacles on the pc board. It was very tricky putting the cables back in (two for the lens, one for the monitor). Usually, the cables have some reinforcement on the end that you can grab onto and then push so it seats firmly in the socket. I gave up trying to do that. This is the thinnest cable I've ever worked with. However, there was the slightest of ridges at the border between the lightly colored part of the cable and where the exposed terminals begin. That allowed me get some advantage. I lined up the cable with the socket and used the pc board to support it. That was important because the only way to slide it in was to stick my two thumbnails on either side of the cable where the ridge was and push it in little by little. After about four attempts I finally got the monitor to come on but the video was staticky. I then used the same trick on the cable from the lens assembly and then the picture was normal. Then, after reassembly of the rest of the unit, it powered up with no more zoom error. I guess it was just one of those things you take apart, put it back together and we'll see how long it works. Thanks for all your replies. -- David Farber Los Osos, CA Whenever I come across non-ZIF ribbon terminations I always wrap about 4 turns of proper cloth reinforced upholstery tape (not duck/duct tape) , half inch wide, around the ribbon before re-inserting it, and then leaving it in place |
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I had a PC like that. Had to take all the bits off the
motherboard every 6 months or so or it would crash like fury! Ditto for the Apple ][. Most of the chips were socketed, and temperature cycling gradually caused them to work loose. I had to periodically shove them back down. Skrunch, Skrunch, Skrunch! Not at all prepossessing. |
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Removing film cables from connector from Lumix digital camera.
N_Cook wrote:
David Farber wrote in message ... mike wrote: On 5/2/2012 4:40 AM, Gareth Magennis wrote: "David wrote in message ... David wrote: On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:14:12 -0700, "Ted Ladewski" wrote: Trying to remove the film cables from this pc board. There doesn't seem to be anything obvious that will release the connector. Can it be as simple as pulling very hard? Any other ideas? http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixite...oard-Lumix.jpg Thanks for your help. This looks similar to connectors on laptops - not surprisingly. The cable is probably clamped in place and to release the clamp the very ends of the connector will move a little bit towards the cable. This releases the clamp and the cable will slide out easily. Be gentle, the plastic is not strong! (Dont ask how I know!!!). David Hi David, I am familiar with those connectors that use a sliding mechanism to clamp the cable in place. Those have been around forever. It doesn't seem to be designed like that. I've pushed and pulled gently in every direction and if it isn't one solid piece, I can't figure it out how to unlock it. -- David Farber Los Osos, CA Have a trawl through the Youtube videos on digital camera repair, chances are there is footage of someone extracting a cable from the same design of connector. Gareth. there are hinged clamps that you need to flip up. there are sliding clamps that you need to slide out. If you get them mixed up, you break the connector. There are at least two types that don't have a clamp. One has a thicker backing plastic that sticks out far enough to give you something to push on when reinserting it. Another is low insertion force and does not have the backing plastic. You reinsert it by grabbing the two tabs and gently rocking it into place. You might want to quietly chant a prayer to your favorite deity while you do it. The pix doesn't have enough resolution to tell, but the slots in the top piece and the parting line in the top corners and the metal parts suggest that the top section might slide back. In any case, you DO NOT want to kink the cable. It becomes pretty obvious the second time you do it. ;-) I decided that there was no way that this clamp had any movable parts in it. I grabbed the cable and rocked it back and forth firmly, but not too hard, and it came out. Here is what the camera looked like disassembled. http://webpages.charter.net/mrfixite...x-disassembled. jpg You can see that there are three receptacles on the pc board. It was very tricky putting the cables back in (two for the lens, one for the monitor). Usually, the cables have some reinforcement on the end that you can grab onto and then push so it seats firmly in the socket. I gave up trying to do that. This is the thinnest cable I've ever worked with. However, there was the slightest of ridges at the border between the lightly colored part of the cable and where the exposed terminals begin. That allowed me get some advantage. I lined up the cable with the socket and used the pc board to support it. That was important because the only way to slide it in was to stick my two thumbnails on either side of the cable where the ridge was and push it in little by little. After about four attempts I finally got the monitor to come on but the video was staticky. I then used the same trick on the cable from the lens assembly and then the picture was normal. Then, after reassembly of the rest of the unit, it powered up with no more zoom error. I guess it was just one of those things you take apart, put it back together and we'll see how long it works. Thanks for all your replies. -- David Farber Los Osos, CA Whenever I come across non-ZIF ribbon terminations I always wrap about 4 turns of proper cloth reinforced upholstery tape (not duck/duct tape) , half inch wide, around the ribbon before re-inserting it, and then leaving it in place Thanks for the great tip. -- David Farber Los Osos, CA |
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