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N_Cook February 29th 12 11:42 AM

log law pots ratio?
 
I always thought log law was mid track resistance 10 percent of whole track.
Just come across a stereo slider in a Yamaha mixer amp labelled A10K x2 ,
fair enough meaning log, but mid track is 25 percent of 10K . Natural log
rather than to base 10 ? 2527



Phil Allison[_2_] February 29th 12 01:55 PM

log law pots ratio?
 

" Nutcase Kook = ****wit "

I always thought ..



** A virtually impossibility....


log law was mid track resistance 10 percent of whole track.


** Yup.


Just come across a stereo slider in a Yamaha mixer amp labelled A10K x2 ,
fair enough meaning log,


** Nope.


but mid track is 25 percent of 10K . Natural log
rather than to base 10 ? 2527



** A = Audio Taper.

C or D = log.

E = reverse log.

Audio taper is a marketing compromise curve that sells amplifiers.




...... Phil



Adrian C February 29th 12 06:21 PM

log law pots ratio?
 
On 29/02/2012 11:42, N_Cook wrote:
I always thought log law was mid track resistance 10 percent of whole track.


No. That's D-Taper, the pot I was after.

Just come across a stereo slider in a Yamaha mixer amp labelled A10K x2 ,
fair enough meaning log, but mid track is 25 percent of 10K .


K-Taper?

http://www.alps.com/WebObjects/catal...RESISTANCE.PDF

Phils smoking pot again...

--
Adrian C

Phil Allison[_2_] February 29th 12 07:22 PM

log law pots ratio?
 

"Adrian ****"

Just come across a stereo slider in a Yamaha mixer amp labelled A10K x2 ,
fair enough meaning log, but mid track is 25 percent of 10K .


K-Taper?



** FFS moron - it says " A" taper !!


.... Phil



Adrian C February 29th 12 07:41 PM

log law pots ratio?
 
On 29/02/2012 19:22, Phil Allison wrote:
"Adrian ****"

Just come across a stereo slider in a Yamaha mixer amp labelled A10K x2 ,
fair enough meaning log, but mid track is 25 percent of 10K .


K-Taper?


** FFS moron - it says " A" taper !!


Would that be 10A, 15A or 25A?

Idiot.

--
Adrian C



Phil Allison[_2_] February 29th 12 08:06 PM

log law pots ratio?
 

"Adrian ****head"


Just come across a stereo slider in a Yamaha mixer amp labelled A10K x2
,
fair enough meaning log, but mid track is 25 percent of 10K .

K-Taper?


** FFS moron - it says " A" taper !!


Would that be 10A, 15A or 25A?



** Irrelevant.

Nothing says it is an Alps pot at all.

And nothing says Nutcase Kook measured it correctly.

You ****ing stupid, lying ****.




..... Phil



Adrian C February 29th 12 08:33 PM

log law pots ratio?
 
On 29/02/2012 20:06, Phil Allison wrote:

Would that be 10A, 15A or 25A?



** Irrelevant.

Nothing says it is an Alps pot at all.


Or says your name is Susan ...

Is it?

--
Adrian C




William Sommerwerck February 29th 12 10:01 PM

log law pots ratio?
 
** FFS moron - it says " A" taper !!

A tapir is an ungulate animal. See...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapir



spamtrap1888 February 29th 12 10:40 PM

log law pots ratio?
 
On Feb 29, 11:22*am, "Phil Allison" wrote:
"Adrian ****"

Just come across a stereo slider in a Yamaha mixer amp labelled A10K x2 ,
fair enough meaning log, but mid track is 25 percent of 10K .


K-Taper?


** *FFS moron *- * it says *" A" taper *!!


The factory could have installed the wrong elements.

Assuming Cook is measuring the midpoint resistance as part of some
troubleshooting process on a customer's defective equipment, I'd like
to know (1) was this channel always bad? and (2) what reading he gets
from the other channels. This would show if it's an isolated
manufacturing mistake, or if the pot was damaged during operation. If
the midpoint resistance was the 1K that the A-taper suggests, then if
some fault drove it to 2.5K, I would expect the overall resistance to
be 1.5K (or better) more. I'd like to know (3) what the overall
resistance now is (4) for both sides of the pot, (5) for similar parts
from the other channels, because I can't picture the same fault
condition affecting multiple channels identically at the same time.

N_Cook March 1st 12 08:31 AM

log law pots ratio?
 
spamtrap1888 wrote in message
...
On Feb 29, 11:22 am, "Phil Allison" wrote:
"Adrian ****"

Just come across a stereo slider in a Yamaha mixer amp labelled A10K x2

,
fair enough meaning log, but mid track is 25 percent of 10K .


K-Taper?


** FFS moron - it says " A" taper !!


The factory could have installed the wrong elements.

Assuming Cook is measuring the midpoint resistance as part of some
troubleshooting process on a customer's defective equipment, I'd like
to know (1) was this channel always bad? and (2) what reading he gets
from the other channels. This would show if it's an isolated
manufacturing mistake, or if the pot was damaged during operation. If
the midpoint resistance was the 1K that the A-taper suggests, then if
some fault drove it to 2.5K, I would expect the overall resistance to
be 1.5K (or better) more. I'd like to know (3) what the overall
resistance now is (4) for both sides of the pot, (5) for similar parts
from the other channels, because I can't picture the same fault
condition affecting multiple channels identically at the same time.

++++++

Back up together enough for testing now. Only one one pot removed.
Actual reading was 11.2K and 8.7K/2.5K midpoint and to about +/-0.1K same
readings the other track . Whether that out of speciness from 10K indicates
overheating or something I've no idea but is is same both sides



Phil Allison[_2_] March 1st 12 09:32 AM

log law pots ratio?
 
" Nutcase Kook "


Just come across a stereo slider in a Yamaha mixer amp labelled A10K
x2


fair enough meaning log, but mid track is 25 percent of 10K .


K-Taper?


** FFS moron - it says " A" taper !!


The factory could have installed the wrong elements.



** Shame how YOU have the wrong brain installed.

Donkey brains instead of human.

25% at mid point is within tolerance for an " A " taper pot.

You bull****ting, ****wit, autistic retard.




..... Phil




spamtrap1888 March 1st 12 04:47 PM

log law pots ratio?
 
On Mar 1, 1:32*am, "Phil Allison" wrote:
" Nutcase Kook "

Just come across a stereo slider in a Yamaha mixer amp labelled A10K
x2


fair enough meaning log, but mid track is 25 percent of 10K .


K-Taper?


** FFS moron - it says " A" taper !!


The factory could have installed the wrong elements.


** *Shame how *YOU *have the wrong brain installed.

* *Donkey brains instead of human.

* *25% at mid point is within tolerance for an " A " *taper pot.


And just where does that factoid come from?

While you're pulling things out of your ass, check for hemorrhoids.


* *You bull****ting, ****wit, *autistic retard.


A badge of honor.


Phil Allison[_2_] March 1st 12 10:22 PM

log law pots ratio?
 

"spamtrap1888" = ****wit TROLL


K-Taper?


** FFS moron - it says " A" taper !!


The factory could have installed the wrong elements.


** Shame how YOU have the wrong brain installed.

Donkey brains instead of human.

25% at mid point is within tolerance for an " A " taper pot.


And just where does that factoid come from?


** The real world - a place you have never even seen.

You bull****ting, ****wit, autistic retard.



..... Phil






spamtrap1888 March 3rd 12 06:19 AM

log law pots ratio?
 
On Mar 1, 2:22*pm, "Phil Allison" wrote:
"spamtrap1888" *= ****wit TROLL



K-Taper?


** FFS moron - it says " A" taper !!


The factory could have installed the wrong elements.


** Shame how YOU have the wrong brain installed.


Donkey brains instead of human.


25% at mid point is within tolerance for an " A " taper pot.


And just where does that factoid come from?

** The real world *- *a place you have never even seen.


Sample size = 1?

I suppose, though, in Allison World the pot could be linear -- 25%
ratio is closer to 50% (nominal linear value at midpoint) than it is
to 10% (nominal audio taper at midpoint)


*You bull****ting, ****wit, autistic retard.


Talking out your ass harms one's credibility.


Phil Allison[_2_] March 3rd 12 09:06 AM

log law pots ratio?
 
"spamtrap1888" = ****wit TROLL

25% at mid point is within tolerance for an " A " taper pot.


And just where does that factoid come from?


** The real world - a place you have never even seen.

You bull****ting, ****wit, autistic retard.


..... Phil








spamtrap1888 March 4th 12 07:36 PM

log law pots ratio?
 
On Mar 3, 1:06*am, "Phil Allison" wrote:
"spamtrap1888" = ****wit TROLL



25% at mid point is within tolerance for an " A " taper pot.


And just where does that factoid come from?


*** The real world - a place you have never even seen.

* * * You bull****ting, ****wit, autistic retard.

.... *Phil


Here's a report from a hobbyist who found that the 50% point of common
"audio taper" potentiometers ranged from 6% of total resistance to
15%. So the source of Phil's data -- 25% -- still seems to be his ass.

http://tangentsoft.net/audio/atten.html


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