Stark 9-66 tube tester repair
I was wondering if anyone out there has any additional information
with respect to the dynamic mutual transconductance circuitry of the above mentioned tube tester? For instance, there are three coils in this circuit that must have a certain number of turns and turns ratios. This would also allude to using a certain wire gauge. The information I have found on places like BAMA only discusses the theory of this design and do not specifically address this unit's intimate repair. Any help here would be useful whereas this information seems rather illusive. Thanks in advance. Fabe CBS, Newfoundland |
Stark 9-66 tube tester repair
The Canadian Vintage Radio Society has been running a series of
articles on the Stark 9-66 in their newsletters. They covered optimization and modifications. The author was Murray Dickerson. http://www.canadianvintageradio.com/AboutCVRS.htm Perhaps if you contacted them you could get back issues or an address to contact Mr. Dickerson. Ed. |
Stark 9-66 tube tester repair
Amazing Barry and you are astonishingly right! A detailed calibration
guide is presented here. http://bama.edebris.com/manuals/hickok/533%28a%29/ However, while the 533A has a good parts list, only the transformer is specified being possible COTS. I think I read somewhere that the dynamic mutual conductance test was rather proprietary here? Well, I have roughed in these parts by only using a hand wound guesstimate. The original parts where in such bad shape that the number of windings could not be counted from the shape I received this unit in. BTW I used a micrometer to center in on the wire gauge which seemed rather sensible to me. One of the repairs I did was rather precise though. I sub'ed in a 5K pot given below and shunted it with a 7.5K resistor to correct for a solidly seized BIAS pot. 3K on the nose too... and it works just dandy. http://uk.farnell.com/colvern/clr400...Ntt=400111S5K0 http://uk.farnell.com/ohmite/23j7k5e...97?Ntt=23J7K5E These parts can also be imported through Newark. The lead time on the pot was rather insane though when they were not in stock I appreciate all your help guys. I would have thought this coil information would be easy to come by after all this time? While this unit is testing out triodes well (eg. 12AX7), it is not giving me impressive results on a tetrode (EL84/6BQ5) or a beam power tube (6L6). Something is fishy here because I otherwise believe at least the 6L6 is good. Sounds like a real cal problem here to me!!!!! Take care and many thanks. Fabe CBS, Newfoundland, CA |
Stark 9-66 tube tester repair
"WayneJ" wrote in message
news:op.vtlmouo7natzq9@dellilah... Hi Fabe, You probably know this, but the parts that look like RF coils are wire wound "precision" resistors. No RF is used in these testers. They are wound with resistance wire, higher Ohms/foot than copper, so rewinding with the same number of turns of the same size copper wire will give the wrong resistance. Modern metal film 1% resistors can be used to replace any of them, be sure the wattage is correct. If you want the same appearance to make an original appearing restoration you will need to use the kind of tricks used to make old radio restorations appear accurate when using modern components. You might need to parallel a couple of values to get the exact value Hickok used but that is not likely necessary. This tester was considered to be accurate to about 10% when new. WayneJ Excellent advice, Wayne. The Hickok 533A manual at Bama lists these "spool" resistors. These precision spool resistors were also used in analog computers. Modern metal film 1% resistors should work well to replace them. 18670-105RESISTOR, Spool:small, 10 ohmsR9 18670-118RESISTOR, Spool:small, 135 ohmsR28 18670-412RESISTOR, Spool:medium, 41 ohmsR15, R17 18670-417RESISTOR, Spool:medium, 109 ohmsR16, R18 18670-418RESISTOR, Spool:medium, 150 ohmsR14 18679-114RESISTOR, Spool:double, 122 and 32 ohmsR19, R20 73, Dr. Barry L. Ornitz WA4VZQ P.S. - the more recent tube testers did use ferrite beads on the long internal leads to suppress RF oscillation. |
Stark 9-66 tube tester repair
On Apr 7, 9:48*pm, "
wrote: Amazing Barry and you are astonishingly right! A detailed calibration guide is presented here. http://bama.edebris.com/manuals/hickok/533%28a%29/ However, while the 533A has a good parts list, only the transformer is specified being possible COTS. I think I read somewhere that the dynamic mutual conductance test was rather proprietary here? Well, I have roughed in these parts by only using a hand wound guesstimate. The original parts where in such bad shape that the number of windings could not be counted from the shape I received this unit in. BTW I used a micrometer to center in on the wire gauge which seemed rather sensible to me. One of the repairs I did was rather precise though. I sub'ed in a 5K pot given below and shunted it with a 7.5K resistor to correct for a solidly seized BIAS pot. 3K on the nose too... and it works just dandy. http://uk.farnell.com/colvern/clr400...-7-5kohm-3w-5/... These parts can also be imported through Newark. The lead time on the pot was rather insane though when they were not in stock I appreciate all your help guys. I would have thought this coil information would be easy to come by after all this time? While this unit is testing out triodes well (eg. 12AX7), it is not giving me impressive results on a tetrode (EL84/6BQ5) or a beam power tube (6L6). Something is fishy here because I otherwise believe at least the 6L6 is good. Sounds like a real cal problem here to me!!!!! Take care and many thanks. Fabe CBS, Newfoundland, CA Unfortunately that won't work for this pot. It was made with a special taper and only an original will work. |
Stark 9-66 tube tester repair
This what happens when you are too old to be new? I confess... I never
heard of spool resistors before but the concept makes sense to me in a circuit. You see, I am of the age of select on test when 'only one certain part' will do. To those souls out there... you understand the process of dating before marriage. I have restored TO's for the most part so I am in the breed of novice to you guys. I guess it's back to the drawing board for me. I only see four though. Two may be considered as doubles being wound on the same phenolic core? Unfortunately that won't work for this pot. It was made with a special taper and only an original will work. I do have this pot physically apart. It does seems like a linear taper and the install says it electrically works fine. Accuracy? This maybe a hung jury here based on these comments. The scale is linear but given a wet towel snap on what I thought were inductors... anything is possible. Thanks for your input all. |
Stark 9-66 tube tester repair
On Apr 9, 1:08*pm, "
wrote: This what happens when you are too old to be new? I confess... I never heard of spool resistors before but the concept makes sense to me in a circuit. You see, I am of the age of select on test when 'only one certain part' will do. To those souls out there... you understand the process of dating before marriage. I have restored TO's for the most part so I am in the breed of novice to you guys. I guess it's back to the drawing board for me. I only see four though. Two may be considered as doubles being wound on the same phenolic core? Unfortunately that won't work for this pot. It was made with a special taper and only an original will work. I do have this pot physically apart. It does seems like a linear taper and the install says it electrically works fine. Accuracy? This maybe a hung jury here based on these comments. The scale is linear but given a wet towel snap on what I thought were inductors... anything is possible. Thanks for your input all. Well, if it's the same as a 533A then it wouldn't be a linear pot. Did you go through the calibration procedure? Here is a typical case, the DC voltage at 22 on the dial is only 3 volts. http://web.archive.org/web/200602142...aub/cal600.htm |
Stark 9-66 tube tester repair
Indeed this 3K value is totally non standard, hence the 7.5K shunt on
a 5K pot. If I can find a decent work around to repair this unit in such precarious predicaments, I will post this information for free. I always have in other places. If I could post an internal postmortem pic of a dissected pot, you would see pot appears to be an linear wire wound. All repairs do take time and needs the advise of very many good friends. Once again, thanks for helping out. |
Stark 9-66 tube tester repair
Thanks to the help of this group, I shunted two 82 ohms and two 220
ohms to get the 41 and 109 values. Thanks to Ohmite for actually selling a product where I did not need to buy 50 of something to get some decent precision resistors. Digi Key and Ohmites 40 series was the deal. The 150 ohms was a off the shelf gift. Yes, I do need to do a full cal but this ancient repair just swung the needle from going south. |
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