Followup on PC built outside the case
I've put the computer together which I mentioned in my previous "outside
the case" post, and I'm am having a bit of difficulty, though I doubt it's related to the no-case part. I know this isn't really a computer forum, but if any of the very knowledgeable people here have any insights into the following, I'd sure appreciate hearing them. The components of the new build are as follows: -GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard -Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950 -HITACHI Deskstar 5K3000 HDS5C3020ALA632 (0F12117) 2TB SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive -CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1333C9 -Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM -Thermaltake Black Widow PSU W0319RU 850W ATX 12V v2.3, EPS 12V v2.91 CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE -Older Powercolor X800 GTO vid card I have initially set up the bits on a table, outside of the case (so I can still use the PC which is now occupying the case until all is well with the new bits). Loading went fine, got online & began loading software, when the PC locked up. In the ~6 hours I've been playing with this, it has not run longer than about 20 minutes without locking up, sometimes only 5 or 10 minutes. It seems fine, then just locks. No mouse, no keyboard, no ctrl/alt/del function, I have to do a reset to get it going again. I've pulled the HDD & re-installed the OS on a spare 160 gig IDE drive I have, same behavior, so it's not the HDD. What components are the most likely culprits here? Any suggestions anyone might have on this situation would be greatly appreciated! I should add that I installed about 55 updates from MS to the Win 7 installation (all available), after which it still locked. Haven't had an OS lock up since Windows ME. I'm already missing XP! ;-( Dan |
Followup on PC built outside the case
D Inscribed thus:
I've put the computer together which I mentioned in my previous "outside the case" post, and I'm am having a bit of difficulty, though I doubt it's related to the no-case part. I know this isn't really a computer forum, but if any of the very knowledgeable people here have any insights into the following, I'd sure appreciate hearing them. The components of the new build are as follows: -GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard -Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950 -HITACHI Deskstar 5K3000 HDS5C3020ALA632 (0F12117) 2TB SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive -CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1333C9 -Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM -Thermaltake Black Widow PSU W0319RU 850W ATX 12V v2.3, EPS 12V v2.91 CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE -Older Powercolor X800 GTO vid card I have initially set up the bits on a table, outside of the case (so I can still use the PC which is now occupying the case until all is well with the new bits). Loading went fine, got online & began loading software, when the PC locked up. In the ~6 hours I've been playing with this, it has not run longer than about 20 minutes without locking up, sometimes only 5 or 10 minutes. It seems fine, then just locks. No mouse, no keyboard, no ctrl/alt/del function, I have to do a reset to get it going again. I've pulled the HDD & re-installed the OS on a spare 160 gig IDE drive I have, same behavior, so it's not the HDD. What components are the most likely culprits here? Any suggestions anyone might have on this situation would be greatly appreciated! I should add that I installed about 55 updates from MS to the Win 7 installation (all available), after which it still locked. Haven't had an OS lock up since Windows ME. I'm already missing XP! ;-( Dan Just guess "Heat related" ! Make sure that the heatsink/fan assembly is fitted properly and recheck BIOS settings for temperature behaviour. -- Best Regards: Baron. |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:17:51 -0700, D wrote:
I have initially set up the bits on a table, outside of the case (so I can still use the PC which is now occupying the case until all is well with the new bits). Loading went fine, got online & began loading software, when the PC locked up. In the ~6 hours I've been playing with this, it has not run longer than about 20 minutes without locking up, sometimes only 5 or 10 minutes. It seems fine, then just locks. No mouse, no keyboard, no ctrl/alt/del function, I have to do a reset to get it going again. I've pulled the HDD & re-installed the OS on a spare 160 gig IDE drive I have, same behavior, so it's not the HDD. What components are the most likely culprits here? Any suggestions anyone might have on this situation would be greatly appreciated! I should add that I installed about 55 updates from MS to the Win 7 installation (all available), after which it still locked. Haven't had an OS lock up since Windows ME. I'm already missing XP! ;-( Dan I've never had 7 freeze requiring pulling the plug. Check the event viewer / system for events marked by a red X. Might get a clue. If your BIOS has a hardware monitor, check temperatures and voltages. Remove the video card and use the onboard video. Just a few things I would try. I'm running an AMD 955 PhenomII quad core overclocked from 3.2 to 4 ghz on an Asus M4A7T-E, similar RAM and have no problems whatsover. -- Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:17:51 -0700, D wrote:
I've put the computer together which I mentioned in my previous "outside the case" post, and I'm am having a bit of difficulty, though I doubt it's related to the no-case part. I know this isn't really a computer forum, but if any of the very knowledgeable people here have any insights into the following, I'd sure appreciate hearing them. The components of the new build are as follows: -GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard -Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950 -HITACHI Deskstar 5K3000 HDS5C3020ALA632 (0F12117) 2TB SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive -CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1333C9 -Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM -Thermaltake Black Widow PSU W0319RU 850W ATX 12V v2.3, EPS 12V v2.91 CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE -Older Powercolor X800 GTO vid card I have initially set up the bits on a table, outside of the case (so I can still use the PC which is now occupying the case until all is well with the new bits). Loading went fine, got online & began loading software, when the PC locked up. In the ~6 hours I've been playing with this, it has not run longer than about 20 minutes without locking up, sometimes only 5 or 10 minutes. It seems fine, then just locks. No mouse, no keyboard, no ctrl/alt/del function, I have to do a reset to get it going again. I've pulled the HDD & re-installed the OS on a spare 160 gig IDE drive I have, same behavior, so it's not the HDD. What components are the most likely culprits here? Any suggestions anyone might have on this situation would be greatly appreciated! I should add that I installed about 55 updates from MS to the Win 7 installation (all available), after which it still locked. Haven't had an OS lock up since Windows ME. I'm already missing XP! ;-( Dan I have had constant blue screen problems using windows 7 64 and an I7 computer though the windows 7 32 works fine. I'm to the point where I'm about to install 32 bit software and take a performance hit. (This is on a Dell laptop.) Chuck |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 08:17:34 -0500, chuck wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:17:51 -0700, D wrote: I've put the computer together which I mentioned in my previous "outside the case" post, and I'm am having a bit of difficulty, though I doubt it's related to the no-case part. I know this isn't really a computer forum, but if any of the very knowledgeable people here have any insights into the following, I'd sure appreciate hearing them. The components of the new build are as follows: -GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard -Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950 -HITACHI Deskstar 5K3000 HDS5C3020ALA632 (0F12117) 2TB SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive -CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1333C9 -Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM -Thermaltake Black Widow PSU W0319RU 850W ATX 12V v2.3, EPS 12V v2.91 CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE -Older Powercolor X800 GTO vid card I have initially set up the bits on a table, outside of the case (so I can still use the PC which is now occupying the case until all is well with the new bits). Loading went fine, got online & began loading software, when the PC locked up. In the ~6 hours I've been playing with this, it has not run longer than about 20 minutes without locking up, sometimes only 5 or 10 minutes. It seems fine, then just locks. No mouse, no keyboard, no ctrl/alt/del function, I have to do a reset to get it going again. I've pulled the HDD & re-installed the OS on a spare 160 gig IDE drive I have, same behavior, so it's not the HDD. What components are the most likely culprits here? Any suggestions anyone might have on this situation would be greatly appreciated! I should add that I installed about 55 updates from MS to the Win 7 installation (all available), after which it still locked. Haven't had an OS lock up since Windows ME. I'm already missing XP! ;-( Dan I have had constant blue screen problems using windows 7 64 and an I7 computer though the windows 7 32 works fine. I'm to the point where I'm about to install 32 bit software and take a performance hit. (This is on a Dell laptop.) Chuck There was a 'sort-of' recall on i7 chips a while back. Google i7 SATA bug. -- Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Meat Plow
wrote in Message id: : On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 08:17:34 -0500, chuck wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:17:51 -0700, D wrote: I've put the computer together which I mentioned in my previous "outside the case" post, and I'm am having a bit of difficulty, though I doubt it's related to the no-case part. I know this isn't really a computer forum, but if any of the very knowledgeable people here have any insights into the following, I'd sure appreciate hearing them. The components of the new build are as follows: -GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard -Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950 -HITACHI Deskstar 5K3000 HDS5C3020ALA632 (0F12117) 2TB SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive -CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1333C9 -Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM -Thermaltake Black Widow PSU W0319RU 850W ATX 12V v2.3, EPS 12V v2.91 CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE -Older Powercolor X800 GTO vid card I have initially set up the bits on a table, outside of the case (so I can still use the PC which is now occupying the case until all is well with the new bits). Loading went fine, got online & began loading software, when the PC locked up. In the ~6 hours I've been playing with this, it has not run longer than about 20 minutes without locking up, sometimes only 5 or 10 minutes. It seems fine, then just locks. No mouse, no keyboard, no ctrl/alt/del function, I have to do a reset to get it going again. I've pulled the HDD & re-installed the OS on a spare 160 gig IDE drive I have, same behavior, so it's not the HDD. What components are the most likely culprits here? Any suggestions anyone might have on this situation would be greatly appreciated! I should add that I installed about 55 updates from MS to the Win 7 installation (all available), after which it still locked. Haven't had an OS lock up since Windows ME. I'm already missing XP! ;-( Dan I have had constant blue screen problems using windows 7 64 and an I7 computer though the windows 7 32 works fine. I'm to the point where I'm about to install 32 bit software and take a performance hit. (This is on a Dell laptop.) Chuck There was a 'sort-of' recall on i7 chips a while back. Google i7 SATA bug. I think that was the Q57 chipset, not the processor, though. |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:17:51 -0700, D wrote:
I've put the computer together which I mentioned in my previous "outside the case" post, and I'm am having a bit of difficulty, though I doubt it's related to the no-case part. I know this isn't really a computer forum, but if any of the very knowledgeable people here have any insights into the following, I'd sure appreciate hearing them. The components of the new build are as follows: -GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard -Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950 -HITACHI Deskstar 5K3000 HDS5C3020ALA632 (0F12117) 2TB SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive -CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1333C9 -Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM -Thermaltake Black Widow PSU W0319RU 850W ATX 12V v2.3, EPS 12V v2.91 CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE -Older Powercolor X800 GTO vid card I have initially set up the bits on a table, outside of the case (so I can still use the PC which is now occupying the case until all is well with the new bits). Loading went fine, got online & began loading software, when the PC locked up. In the ~6 hours I've been playing with this, it has not run longer than about 20 minutes without locking up, sometimes only 5 or 10 minutes. It seems fine, then just locks. No mouse, no keyboard, no ctrl/alt/del function, I have to do a reset to get it going again. I've pulled the HDD & re-installed the OS on a spare 160 gig IDE drive I have, same behavior, so it's not the HDD. What components are the most likely culprits here? Any suggestions anyone might have on this situation would be greatly appreciated! I should add that I installed about 55 updates from MS to the Win 7 installation (all available), after which it still locked. Haven't had an OS lock up since Windows ME. I'm already missing XP! ;-( Dan Odds are it is not related to 64 bit Win7. Thousands have been running it without the level of problems you are seeing. There are various flavors of 'Ultimate boot CD' that allow you to boot from CD and run diagnostics independent of your OS. Try one of those. Check bios settings, both for temperature and for performance. I'm running Win7-64 on a Gigabyte motherboard and adopted the attitude that it's better to run a little slower and avoid lockups. I haven't had any problems that couldn't be traced to the unit between the keyboard and the chair. PlainBill |
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I've seen temperature mentioned several times in this thread, and that would
be my first guess. You might try aiming a desk fan directly at the motherboard/cpu prior to powering up and see if the forced air makes any difference. Easy to try, and would probably eliminate overheating as the problem if it doesn't make any difference. wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:17:51 -0700, D wrote: I've put the computer together which I mentioned in my previous "outside the case" post, and I'm am having a bit of difficulty, though I doubt it's related to the no-case part. I know this isn't really a computer forum, but if any of the very knowledgeable people here have any insights into the following, I'd sure appreciate hearing them. The components of the new build are as follows: -GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard -Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950 -HITACHI Deskstar 5K3000 HDS5C3020ALA632 (0F12117) 2TB SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive -CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1333C9 -Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM -Thermaltake Black Widow PSU W0319RU 850W ATX 12V v2.3, EPS 12V v2.91 CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE -Older Powercolor X800 GTO vid card I have initially set up the bits on a table, outside of the case (so I can still use the PC which is now occupying the case until all is well with the new bits). Loading went fine, got online & began loading software, when the PC locked up. In the ~6 hours I've been playing with this, it has not run longer than about 20 minutes without locking up, sometimes only 5 or 10 minutes. It seems fine, then just locks. No mouse, no keyboard, no ctrl/alt/del function, I have to do a reset to get it going again. I've pulled the HDD & re-installed the OS on a spare 160 gig IDE drive I have, same behavior, so it's not the HDD. What components are the most likely culprits here? Any suggestions anyone might have on this situation would be greatly appreciated! I should add that I installed about 55 updates from MS to the Win 7 installation (all available), after which it still locked. Haven't had an OS lock up since Windows ME. I'm already missing XP! ;-( Dan Odds are it is not related to 64 bit Win7. Thousands have been running it without the level of problems you are seeing. There are various flavors of 'Ultimate boot CD' that allow you to boot from CD and run diagnostics independent of your OS. Try one of those. Check bios settings, both for temperature and for performance. I'm running Win7-64 on a Gigabyte motherboard and adopted the attitude that it's better to run a little slower and avoid lockups. I haven't had any problems that couldn't be traced to the unit between the keyboard and the chair. PlainBill |
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chuck wrote in
: On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:17:51 -0700, D wrote: I've put the computer together which I mentioned in my previous "outside the case" post, and I'm am having a bit of difficulty, though I doubt it's related to the no-case part. I know this isn't really a computer forum, but if any of the very knowledgeable people here have any insights into the following, I'd sure appreciate hearing them. The components of the new build are as follows: -GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard -Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950 -HITACHI Deskstar 5K3000 HDS5C3020ALA632 (0F12117) 2TB SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive -CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1333C9 -Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM -Thermaltake Black Widow PSU W0319RU 850W ATX 12V v2.3, EPS 12V v2.91 CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE -Older Powercolor X800 GTO vid card I have initially set up the bits on a table, outside of the case (so I can still use the PC which is now occupying the case until all is well with the new bits). Loading went fine, got online & began loading software, when the PC locked up. In the ~6 hours I've been playing with this, it has not run longer than about 20 minutes without locking up, sometimes only 5 or 10 minutes. It seems fine, then just locks. No mouse, no keyboard, no ctrl/alt/del function, I have to do a reset to get it going again. I've pulled the HDD & re-installed the OS on a spare 160 gig IDE drive I have, same behavior, so it's not the HDD. What components are the most likely culprits here? Any suggestions anyone might have on this situation would be greatly appreciated! I should add that I installed about 55 updates from MS to the Win 7 installation (all available), after which it still locked. Haven't had an OS lock up since Windows ME. I'm already missing XP! ;-( Dan I have had constant blue screen problems using windows 7 64 and an I7 computer though the windows 7 32 works fine. I'm to the point where I'm about to install 32 bit software and take a performance hit. (This is on a Dell laptop.) Chuck This may be a COOLING problem. the cases are designed to give airflow where needed,and I've read of PCs that had merely left their covers off overheating. the uP heatsink and fan may be designed to work best when the MB is vertical,not horizontal. My second guess would be grounding of the MB;in other products I've encountered where all the screws had to be connecting the PCB to the case for proper grounding,that some sections of groundplane were not connected to the others on the PCB,the case did that It also may be connected to noise shielding. BTW,I'm still running W98SE,on a 900Mhz Athlon. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
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On 3/24/2011 11:06 AM, Don Nichols wrote:
I've seen temperature mentioned several times in this thread, and that would be my first guess. You might try aiming a desk fan directly at the motherboard/cpu prior to powering up and see if the forced air makes any difference. Easy to try, and would probably eliminate overheating as the problem if it doesn't make any difference. wrote in message ... Thanks for all the helpful replies. I have a utility called Speccy that monitors temps, yesterday the CPU was showing 39C (104F), which I believe is low. Speccy also shows voltages, on that issue, which ones should I be looking at, and what should the be? I also run it on my current core 2 Conroe, it shows the following for this setup: CPU core - 1.168 Memory controller - 1.840 +3.3V - 3.328 +5V - 4.992 +12 - 10.371 VIN5 - 1.616 VIN6 - 1.488 Which of these would be most critical to the freeze situation? This is a different PC/PSU, and this setup has run fine for 5 years. Not sure why the 12V reading is ~1.6 volts low. I was just directly measuring some voltages on various cables on that PSU while the PC ran, the 12V ones were measuring 12.12V. Any thoughts appreciated. I hope it's not the Win 7, but I have loaded XP on an available drive & will see how the PC runs that. Thanks all again for the terrific input! Dan |
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On 3/24/2011 6:54 AM, JW wrote:
There was a 'sort-of' recall on i7 chips a while back. Google i7 SATA bug. I think that was the Q57 chipset, not the processor, though. Is this the recall in question: http://techreport.com/discussions.x/20326 ? The page says in part: The problem that's caused Intel to initiate a billion-dollar chipset recall affects the SATA ports on all 6-series chipsets, including the H67 and P67 chipsets most prominently used in consumer products. All of these chipsets are collectively referred to as "Cougar Point" inside of Intel. Because there are no third-party chipsets compatible with Sandy Bridge processors, all Sandy Bridge-based systems are potentially affected, including desktops, laptops, and DIY motherboards. I'm assuming that since my MOBO is a GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX, which (apparently) uses the X58 chipset, not the H67 or the P67, that this is not an issue for me, correct? Also, the flaw apparently does not affect the 6Gbps SATA ports, which is all I have used so far (New HDD onto which I loaded Win 7 is 6Gbps) Of course, these things have a tendency to GROW over time. 1st it's only THIS line of products, then, oh-ohh, it's also THIS line too, and maybe THESE OTHERS. Companies tend to 'fess up slowly in such situations... |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:25:29 -0700, D wrote:
On 3/24/2011 11:06 AM, Don Nichols wrote: I've seen temperature mentioned several times in this thread, and that would be my first guess. You might try aiming a desk fan directly at the motherboard/cpu prior to powering up and see if the forced air makes any difference. Easy to try, and would probably eliminate overheating as the problem if it doesn't make any difference. wrote in message ... Thanks for all the helpful replies. I have a utility called Speccy that monitors temps, yesterday the CPU was showing 39C (104F), which I believe is low. Speccy also shows voltages, on that issue, which ones should I be looking at, and what should the be? I also run it on my current core 2 Conroe, it shows the following for this setup: CPU core - 1.168 Memory controller - 1.840 +3.3V - 3.328 +5V - 4.992 +12 - 10.371 VIN5 - 1.616 VIN6 - 1.488 Which of these would be most critical to the freeze situation? This is a different PC/PSU, and this setup has run fine for 5 years. Not sure why the 12V reading is ~1.6 volts low. I was just directly measuring some voltages on various cables on that PSU while the PC ran, the 12V ones were measuring 12.12V. Any thoughts appreciated. I hope it's not the Win 7, but I have loaded XP on an available drive & will see how the PC runs that. Thanks all again for the terrific input! Dan Don't know if the mobo has a PATA controller but try installing 7 on a PATA drive. -- Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse |
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On Mar 24, 2:17*am, D wrote:
I've put the computer together which I mentioned in my previous "outside the case" post, and I'm am having a bit of difficulty, though I doubt it's related to the no-case part. *I know this isn't really a computer forum, but if any of the very knowledgeable people here have any insights into the following, I'd sure appreciate hearing them. The components of the new build are as follows: -GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard -Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950 -HITACHI Deskstar 5K3000 HDS5C3020ALA632 (0F12117) 2TB SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive -CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1333C9 -Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM -Thermaltake Black Widow PSU W0319RU 850W ATX 12V v2.3, EPS 12V v2.91 CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE -Older Powercolor X800 GTO vid card I have initially set up the bits on a table, outside of the case (so I can still use the PC which is now occupying the case until all is well with the new bits). Loading went fine, got online & began loading software, when the PC locked up. In the ~6 hours I've been playing with this, it has not run longer than about 20 minutes without locking up, sometimes only 5 or 10 minutes. It seems fine, then just locks. No mouse, no keyboard, no ctrl/alt/del function, I have to do a reset to get it going again. I've pulled the HDD & re-installed the OS on a spare 160 gig IDE drive I have, same behavior, so it's not the HDD. What components are the most likely culprits here? Any suggestions anyone might have on this situation would be greatly appreciated! I should add that I installed about 55 updates from MS to the Win 7 installation (all available), after which it still locked. Haven't had an OS lock up since Windows ME. I'm already missing XP! ;-( Dan When you said you wanted to run outside the case I thought you had some inexpensive old parts. You have enough money for that good stuff and you won't spring for another case / power supply? Makes no sense to me. G² |
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D Inscribed thus:
Thanks for all the helpful replies. I have a utility called Speccy that monitors temps, yesterday the CPU was showing 39C (104F), which I believe is low. Speccy also shows voltages, on that issue, which ones should I be looking at, and what should the be? I also run it on my current core 2 Conroe, it shows the following for this setup: Does the BIOS have any voltage and temperature display. It would be worth comparing them. CPU core - 1.168 Memory controller - 1.840 +3.3V - 3.328 +5V - 4.992 +12 - 10.371 VIN5 - 1.616 VIN6 - 1.488 Which of these would be most critical to the freeze situation? This is a different PC/PSU, and this setup has run fine for 5 years. Not sure why the 12V reading is ~1.6 volts low. I was just directly measuring some voltages on various cables on that PSU while the PC ran, the 12V ones were measuring 12.12V. Any thoughts appreciated. I assume that the directly measured voltage was with a multimeter ! 12.12v is fine. Interesting to find out why Speccy reads it low... Or is this two different PSU ? I hope it's not the Win 7, but I have loaded XP on an available drive & will see how the PC runs that. Thanks all again for the terrific input! Dan -- Best Regards: Baron. |
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On Mar 24, 3:21*pm, D wrote:
On 3/24/2011 2:32 PM, wrote: When you said you wanted to run outside the case I thought you had some inexpensive old parts. You have enough money for that good stuff and you won't spring for another case / power supply? Makes no sense to me. G² I was able to afford those pieces in part by not replacing things I did not need to. Sorry to give you a hard time. G² |
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On Mar 24, 4:35*pm, D wrote:
No problem ;-) *This is my 2nd "new build", I've found there's such a bewildering array of mobos, etc., that I tend to just go for something that's sort of on the "bottom rung of the top tier", so to speak, that way I seem to get near-state of the art performance, without spending the absolute max, and also without having to spend eons studying each available option. *Kinda like buying the cheapest house in an expensive neighborhood... *;-) And I take different approach. AMD Phenom II processors on Gigabyte 780 series boards. According to the benchmarks, the AMD gets 70-90% of the performance of the Intels and usually comes in at about 1/4 the price. The 3 of them together ran about $1400 total, each with 4 gigs, at least 2TB worth of drives (1.5T + 500G) and an HDTV tuner each. Next machine will likely be another Gigabyte board, probably an 880 series, certainly with integrated graphics and another AMD. If I get burned by the Gigabyte boards I'll look at Asus and Tyan but won't use any more ECS, Biostar or MSI boards. So far I have 5 Gigabyte machines and another at work and no problems with any of them. For those who are leery of AMD, the Harris servers used at at least 2 of the major TV networks (CBS and Fox) deliver all your TV with AMD processors. G² |
Followup on PC built outside the case
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Followup on PC built outside the case
On Mar 24, 11:20*pm, D wrote:
Your approach makes a lot of sense. *I had an AMD Athlon awhile back, the last pre-build PC I've bought (Gateway. *They still in business? ;-), it was fine, once I got rid of that abysmal Win ME & replaced it with Win 2K. The temps in BIOS are normal, CPU is about 39C. Also checked all the PSU voltage with a multimeter, both with the PSU connected & not, and they are fine. Most interestingly, the PC SEEMS to run fine in safe mode w/networking. Wouldn't this suggest the hardware is fine? I am going to burn a Memtest boot CD & give that a try. I'm not sure what Intel processors do in safe mode. They might be 'throttled back' running at a slower clock speed than normal. If timings were borderline at full speed, slower clock could be OK. Are you trying any kind of speed up at BIOS level? I always select 'failsafe defaults' and then make minor changes like boot drive sequence and turn on SMART. If I want more speed, I buy a faster processor and sell the old one on eBay. I've sold 4 processors in the last 18 months and usually end up improving 2 machines for low net prices like $50-$100. My gut feeling on yours is that when you get it in a case properly grounded and cooled it will be fine. I certainly want to find out how it shakes out. G² |
Followup on PC built outside the case
On Mar 25, 1:20*am, D wrote:
Your approach makes a lot of sense. *I had an AMD Athlon awhile back, the last pre-build PC I've bought (Gateway. *They still in business? ;-), it was fine, once I got rid of that abysmal Win ME & replaced it with Win 2K. Gateway (and eMachines) are owned by Acer. |
Followup on PC built outside the case
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 14:21:38 -0700 D wrote in Message
id: m: On 3/24/2011 6:54 AM, JW wrote: There was a 'sort-of' recall on i7 chips a while back. Google i7 SATA bug. I think that was the Q57 chipset, not the processor, though. Is this the recall in question: http://techreport.com/discussions.x/20326 ? The page says in part: The problem that's caused Intel to initiate a billion-dollar chipset recall affects the SATA ports on all 6-series chipsets, including the H67 and P67 chipsets most prominently used in consumer products. All of these chipsets are collectively referred to as "Cougar Point" inside of Intel. Because there are no third-party chipsets compatible with Sandy Bridge processors, all Sandy Bridge-based systems are potentially affected, including desktops, laptops, and DIY motherboards. My bad. I didn't check my facts before posting and was going from memory. That's the bug I was referring to. I'm assuming that since my MOBO is a GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX, which (apparently) uses the X58 chipset, not the H67 or the P67, that this is not an issue for me, correct? Correct. |
Followup on PC built outside the case
My gut feeling is that when you get it in a case,
properly grounded and cooled, it will be fine. Ditto. I've seen this with other products. They fail to work correctly outside the case or cabinet, for no obvious reason, but (after hours of frustrating troubleshooting) they work correctly when put back. |
Followup on PC built outside the case
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 20:36:26 -0700, stratus46 wrote:
On Mar 24, 4:35Â*pm, D wrote: No problem ;-) Â*This is my 2nd "new build", I've found there's such a bewildering array of mobos, etc., that I tend to just go for something that's sort of on the "bottom rung of the top tier", so to speak, that way I seem to get near-state of the art performance, without spending the absolute max, and also without having to spend eons studying each available option. Â*Kinda like buying the cheapest house in an expensive neighborhood... Â*;-) And I take different approach. AMD Phenom II processors on Gigabyte 780 series boards. According to the benchmarks, the AMD gets 70-90% of the performance of the Intels and usually comes in at about 1/4 the price. The 3 of them together ran about $1400 total, each with 4 gigs, at least 2TB worth of drives (1.5T + 500G) and an HDTV tuner each. Next machine will likely be another Gigabyte board, probably an 880 series, certainly with integrated graphics and another AMD. If I get burned by the Gigabyte boards I'll look at Asus and Tyan but won't use any more ECS, Biostar or MSI boards. So far I have 5 Gigabyte machines and another at work and no problems with any of them. For those who are leery of AMD, the Harris servers used at at least 2 of the major TV networks (CBS and Fox) deliver all your TV with AMD processors. G² PhenomII 955 on Asus M4A78T-E o'clocked to 4 ghz. Not a single problem. I for one haven't paid for an Intel platform since 2000. -- Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse |
Followup on PC built outside the case
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:07:13 -0700, William Sommerwerck wrote:
My gut feeling is that when you get it in a case, properly grounded and cooled, it will be fine. Ditto. I've seen this with other products. They fail to work correctly outside the case or cabinet, for no obvious reason, but (after hours of frustrating troubleshooting) they work correctly when put back. That would be my advice also. Get it mounted proper in a case and see what happens. Not only the proper grounding but the proper airflow over the devices. -- Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse |
Followup on PC built outside the case
On 3/25/2011 9:08 AM, Meat Plow wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:07:13 -0700, William Sommerwerck wrote: My gut feeling is that when you get it in a case, properly grounded and cooled, it will be fine. Ditto. I've seen this with other products. They fail to work correctly outside the case or cabinet, for no obvious reason, but (after hours of frustrating troubleshooting) they work correctly when put back. That would be my advice also. Get it mounted proper in a case and see what happens. Not only the proper grounding but the proper airflow over the devices. Thanks for the continued input everyone. Most recent developments: I again tried the Win 7 on my new SATA, but with a known-good PSU, and it froze in about 15 minutes. So it's not the PSU. After this, I loaded a 32 bit copy of XP Pro on an IDE drive, and the machine has run for about 4 hours without a freeze (I should add I loaded Win 7 previously on this same drive, and it froze like it did on the SATA). During the time the machine has been running fine under XP Pro, the PC has been surfing the internet on one monitor, while continuously playing .VOB videos on VLC with the audio muted on a remote plasma (like the older build this one is to replace, I use the computer for general PC use as well as for a HTPC), while also playing a 2 hour MP3 on Winamp. One possible conclusion from this that either the PC, or the video card, does not like 64 bits. Reading the reviews of the board on Newegg, many people seem to be running Win 7 64 bit with no problem, so I'm guessing it's not that the MOBO has a problem with that OS. Am I correct that it would be unlikely for either the RAM or the CPU to be intolerant of 64 bit Win 7? BTW, ran Memtest for ~ 3 hours. No errors. I'm considering replacing the vid card, since it seems a very likely suspect. I'm not a gamer (though this gear should be up to it), so I don't need anything tooooo drastic (read, EXPENSIVE). As JL suggested, I'm wondering about the PCI E 2.0 slots. Also, I've been using a X16 slot (MOBO also has X8 slots). Could the Vid card be the culprit? And opinions on this card for my applications: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814131350 Thanks again for the replies! Dan |
Followup on PC built outside the case
On Mar 24, 7:17*pm, D wrote:
I've put the computer together which I mentioned in my previous "outside the case" post, and I'm am having a bit of difficulty, though I doubt it's related to the no-case part. *I know this isn't really a computer forum, but if any of the very knowledgeable people here have any insights into the following, I'd sure appreciate hearing them. The components of the new build are as follows: -GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard -Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950 -HITACHI Deskstar 5K3000 HDS5C3020ALA632 (0F12117) 2TB SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive -CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1333C9 -Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM -Thermaltake Black Widow PSU W0319RU 850W ATX 12V v2.3, EPS 12V v2.91 CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE -Older Powercolor X800 GTO vid card I have initially set up the bits on a table, outside of the case (so I can still use the PC which is now occupying the case until all is well with the new bits). Loading went fine, got online & began loading software, when the PC locked up. In the ~6 hours I've been playing with this, it has not run longer than about 20 minutes without locking up, sometimes only 5 or 10 minutes. It seems fine, then just locks. No mouse, no keyboard, no ctrl/alt/del function, I have to do a reset to get it going again. I've pulled the HDD & re-installed the OS on a spare 160 gig IDE drive I have, same behavior, so it's not the HDD. What components are the most likely culprits here? Any suggestions anyone might have on this situation would be greatly appreciated! I should add that I installed about 55 updates from MS to the Win 7 installation (all available), after which it still locked. Haven't had an OS lock up since Windows ME. I'm already missing XP! ;-( Dan I have had to assemble PC's some years back for applications where a normal case couldnt be used. One thing that was noticed was the amount of heat on the backing plate that the motherboard was mounted onto. This led me to believe that the metal PCB standoffs and backing plate play an important role in passing heat from the motherboard to the backing plate (as well as providing a gap for air circulation underneath. They may also help greatly in providing a very solid earth connection as well. |
Followup on PC built outside the case
BTW, ran Memtest for ~3 hours. No errors.
I know from experience that memory test programs do not always find bad RAM. I'm considering replacing the video card, since it seems a likely suspect. If the card works under multiple operating systems, that pretty much rules out the card. However, you might have problems with the driver. One of the good things about cards using Nvidia chips is that they'll run with "generic" drivers written by Nvidia. (This is also probably true of the other major brand, whose name I can't think of). Try using one of these. |
Followup on PC built outside the case
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 23:01:09 -0700, D wrote:
On 3/25/2011 9:08 AM, Meat Plow wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:07:13 -0700, William Sommerwerck wrote: My gut feeling is that when you get it in a case, properly grounded and cooled, it will be fine. Ditto. I've seen this with other products. They fail to work correctly outside the case or cabinet, for no obvious reason, but (after hours of frustrating troubleshooting) they work correctly when put back. That would be my advice also. Get it mounted proper in a case and see what happens. Not only the proper grounding but the proper airflow over the devices. Thanks for the continued input everyone. Most recent developments: I again tried the Win 7 on my new SATA, but with a known-good PSU, and it froze in about 15 minutes. So it's not the PSU. After this, I loaded a 32 bit copy of XP Pro on an IDE drive, and the machine has run for about 4 hours without a freeze (I should add I loaded Win 7 previously on this same drive, and it froze like it did on the SATA). During the time the machine has been running fine under XP Pro, the PC has been surfing the internet on one monitor, while continuously playing .VOB videos on VLC with the audio muted on a remote plasma (like the older build this one is to replace, I use the computer for general PC use as well as for a HTPC), while also playing a 2 hour MP3 on Winamp. One possible conclusion from this that either the PC, or the video card, does not like 64 bits. Reading the reviews of the board on Newegg, many people seem to be running Win 7 64 bit with no problem, so I'm guessing it's not that the MOBO has a problem with that OS. Am I correct that it would be unlikely for either the RAM or the CPU to be intolerant of 64 bit Win 7? BTW, ran Memtest for ~ 3 hours. No errors. I'm considering replacing the vid card, since it seems a very likely suspect. I'm not a gamer (though this gear should be up to it), so I don't need anything tooooo drastic (read, EXPENSIVE). As JL suggested, I'm wondering about the PCI E 2.0 slots. Also, I've been using a X16 slot (MOBO also has X8 slots). Could the Vid card be the culprit? And opinions on this card for my applications: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814131350 Thanks again for the replies! Dan Look for an EVGA branded GeForce 9500 series. -- Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse |
Followup on PC built outside the case
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 23:01:09 -0700, D wrote:
On 3/25/2011 9:08 AM, Meat Plow wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:07:13 -0700, William Sommerwerck wrote: My gut feeling is that when you get it in a case, properly grounded and cooled, it will be fine. Ditto. I've seen this with other products. They fail to work correctly outside the case or cabinet, for no obvious reason, but (after hours of frustrating troubleshooting) they work correctly when put back. That would be my advice also. Get it mounted proper in a case and see what happens. Not only the proper grounding but the proper airflow over the devices. Thanks for the continued input everyone. Most recent developments: I again tried the Win 7 on my new SATA, but with a known-good PSU, and it froze in about 15 minutes. So it's not the PSU. After this, I loaded a 32 bit copy of XP Pro on an IDE drive, and the machine has run for about 4 hours without a freeze (I should add I loaded Win 7 previously on this same drive, and it froze like it did on the SATA). During the time the machine has been running fine under XP Pro, the PC has been surfing the internet on one monitor, while continuously playing .VOB videos on VLC with the audio muted on a remote plasma (like the older build this one is to replace, I use the computer for general PC use as well as for a HTPC), while also playing a 2 hour MP3 on Winamp. One possible conclusion from this that either the PC, or the video card, does not like 64 bits. Reading the reviews of the board on Newegg, many people seem to be running Win 7 64 bit with no problem, so I'm guessing it's not that the MOBO has a problem with that OS. Am I correct that it would be unlikely for either the RAM or the CPU to be intolerant of 64 bit Win 7? BTW, ran Memtest for ~ 3 hours. No errors. I'm considering replacing the vid card, since it seems a very likely suspect. I'm not a gamer (though this gear should be up to it), so I don't need anything tooooo drastic (read, EXPENSIVE). As JL suggested, I'm wondering about the PCI E 2.0 slots. Also, I've been using a X16 slot (MOBO also has X8 slots). Could the Vid card be the culprit? And opinions on this card for my applications: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814131350 Thanks again for the replies! Dan On the Dell that I previously mentioned, playing Winamp while using IE results in a blue screen within a 1/2 hour . On Friday I updated all drivers and firmware and ran Dell's self diagnostics; still computer blue screens when using Winamp. It also crashes when streaming audio using Real Player though it might take an hour or so. Chuck |
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