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Tripp Lite PR60 power supply problem
Someone gave me one of these that he says smoked. I found a small
burned diode, (looks like a 1N4000 series size) on the regulator board.This diode was soldered accross C1 with the cathode connected to the positive terminal of C1.This part looks like it must have been a production change as all other parts are labled on the board but this one the board is not labled for it and so it looks like it was a factory modification. Tripp Lite won't help me at all with this problem. So I was hoping that someone might have run into this before who might have any information on this and/or perhaps a schematic that they could share. Thanks for any help. Lenny |
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:54:20 -0800, klem kedidelhopper wrote:
Someone gave me one of these that he says smoked. I found a small burned diode, (looks like a 1N4000 series size) on the regulator board.This diode was soldered accross C1 with the cathode connected to the positive terminal of C1.This part looks like it must have been a production change as all other parts are labled on the board but this one the board is not labled for it and so it looks like it was a factory modification. Tripp Lite won't help me at all with this problem. So I was hoping that someone might have run into this before who might have any information on this and/or perhaps a schematic that they could share. Thanks for any help. Lenny What happens when you replace the diode? -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse |
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On Dec 1, 3:11*pm, Meat Plow wrote:
On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:54:20 -0800, klem kedidelhopper wrote: Someone gave me one of these that he says smoked. I found a small burned diode, *(looks like a 1N4000 series size) on the regulator board.This diode was soldered accross C1 with the cathode connected to the positive terminal of C1.This part looks like it must have been a production change as all other parts are labled on the board but this one the board is not labled for it and so it looks like it was a factory modification.. Tripp Lite won't help me at all with this problem. So I was hoping that someone might have run into this before who might have any information on this and/or perhaps a schematic that they could share. Thanks for any help. Lenny What happens when you replace the diode? -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse WelI I haven't replaced it as of yet because I don't know if it was just a diode or a zener. And not knowing this and what else might be wrong I wouldn't want to compound the problem. Lenny |
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 12:35:56 -0800, klem kedidelhopper wrote:
On Dec 1, 3:11Â*pm, Meat Plow wrote: On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:54:20 -0800, klem kedidelhopper wrote: Someone gave me one of these that he says smoked. I found a small burned diode, Â*(looks like a 1N4000 series size) on the regulator board.This diode was soldered accross C1 with the cathode connected to the positive terminal of C1.This part looks like it must have been a production change as all other parts are labled on the board but this one the board is not labled for it and so it looks like it was a factory modification. Tripp Lite won't help me at all with this problem. So I was hoping that someone might have run into this before who might have any information on this and/or perhaps a schematic that they could share. Thanks for any help. Lenny What happens when you replace the diode? -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse WelI I haven't replaced it as of yet because I don't know if it was just a diode or a zener. And not knowing this and what else might be wrong I wouldn't want to compound the problem. Lenny If it's a zener it would be clamping voltage on a reg circuit. Not knowing what C1 is or does it's hard to say what its function is but I would take an educated guess and say it's not a zener. I suppose you'll need to figure out how C1 plays into the circuit. Personally I would ramp the source up using a variac and watch what kind of voltage developed where the cathode should be and take into consideration C1's rated voltage and maybe develop a schematic in my head. -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse |
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On Dec 1, 3:53*pm, Meat Plow wrote:
On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 12:35:56 -0800, klem kedidelhopper wrote: On Dec 1, 3:11*pm, Meat Plow wrote: On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:54:20 -0800, klem kedidelhopper wrote: Someone gave me one of these that he says smoked. I found a small burned diode, *(looks like a 1N4000 series size) on the regulator board.This diode was soldered accross C1 with the cathode connected to the positive terminal of C1.This part looks like it must have been a production change as all other parts are labled on the board but this one the board is not labled for it and so it looks like it was a factory modification. Tripp Lite won't help me at all with this problem. So I was hoping that someone might have run into this before who might have any information on this and/or perhaps a schematic that they could share. Thanks for any help. Lenny What happens when you replace the diode? -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse WelI I haven't replaced it as of yet because I don't know if it was just a diode or a zener. And not knowing this and what else might be wrong I wouldn't want to compound the problem. Lenny If it's a zener it would be clamping voltage on a reg circuit. Not knowing what C1 is or does it's hard to say what its function is but I would take an educated guess and say it's not a zener. I suppose you'll need to figure out how C1 plays into the circuit. Personally I would ramp the source up using a variac and watch what kind of voltage developed where the cathode should be and take into consideration C1's rated voltage and maybe develop a *schematic in my head. -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah I don't think that its a zener either. Its just that with the cathode on + it doesn't seem like it could be forward biased so what is it doing there? I haven't tried to draw it out but this otherwise appears to be a straight forward 723 based linear regulator circuit. The way this thing is built though its virtually impossible to reverse engineer it. I do like your idea of using the variac for testing. I have a small variac but with a small load on the PR60 ouput I don't think it should be much of a problem. It ****es me off how uncooperative most of these manufacturers have gotten in the past few years. Back in the 60's when I started in electronics you could get anything from most anyone. Today you would think I was asking for state secrets.This is an obsolete model. What the hell difference would it make to give me a schematic? Not like I'm going to try to mass produce these things. I would just like to get it going for myself. Lenny |
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 13:28:11 -0800, klem kedidelhopper wrote:
On Dec 1, 3:53Â*pm, Meat Plow wrote: On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 12:35:56 -0800, klem kedidelhopper wrote: On Dec 1, 3:11Â*pm, Meat Plow wrote: On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:54:20 -0800, klem kedidelhopper wrote: Someone gave me one of these that he says smoked. I found a small burned diode, Â*(looks like a 1N4000 series size) on the regulator board.This diode was soldered accross C1 with the cathode connected to the positive terminal of C1.This part looks like it must have been a production change as all other parts are labled on the board but this one the board is not labled for it and so it looks like it was a factory modification. Tripp Lite won't help me at all with this problem. So I was hoping that someone might have run into this before who might have any information on this and/or perhaps a schematic that they could share. Thanks for any help. Lenny What happens when you replace the diode? -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse WelI I haven't replaced it as of yet because I don't know if it was just a diode or a zener. And not knowing this and what else might be wrong I wouldn't want to compound the problem. Lenny If it's a zener it would be clamping voltage on a reg circuit. Not knowing what C1 is or does it's hard to say what its function is but I would take an educated guess and say it's not a zener. I suppose you'll need to figure out how C1 plays into the circuit. Personally I would ramp the source up using a variac and watch what kind of voltage developed where the cathode should be and take into consideration C1's rated voltage and maybe develop a Â*schematic in my head. -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah I don't think that its a zener either. Its just that with the cathode on + it doesn't seem like it could be forward biased so what is it doing there? I haven't tried to draw it out but this otherwise appears to be a straight forward 723 based linear regulator circuit. The way this thing is built though its virtually impossible to reverse engineer it. I do like your idea of using the variac for testing. I have a small variac but with a small load on the PR60 ouput I don't think it should be much of a problem. It ****es me off how uncooperative most of these manufacturers have gotten in the past few years. Back in the 60's when I started in electronics you could get anything from most anyone. Today you would think I was asking for state secrets.This is an obsolete model. What the hell difference would it make to give me a schematic? Not like I'm going to try to mass produce these things. I would just like to get it going for myself. Lenny Years ago I bought a used Nady 201 that I wanted to switch channels. Requiredan xtal change and some tweaking of the RF circuits for both the xmitter and rxcvr. I finally got someone to talk to me at Nady. Even sent me some schematics. I called back maybe 2 weeks later and that person was no longer employed there. Seems at least back then it would take a Wikileak to get any info from Nady. This guy probably got the boot for giving me some tech literature. And Nady wanted back in around 1992 $69 +S/H to re-channel the 201. I had the info on the xtal parameters and sent the data to Jan xtal. They made a new set of xtals for $14.99. Took me 5 minutes to align. Still have the units. Your diode might suppress some kind of transients in that config. May help C1 live longer, hard to tell. -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse |
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On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 20:11:33 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow wrote:
What happens when you replace the diode? My clit flicks. -- Don't **** with me. I'm tuff. And stupid but don't dare **** with me. |
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:04:09 -0500, Nancy Norelli puked:
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 20:11:33 +0000 (UTC), Meat Plow wrote: What happens when you replace the diode? My clit flicks. That's a horrific thought. |
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On Dec 1, 4:46*pm, Meat Plow wrote:
On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 13:28:11 -0800, klem kedidelhopper wrote: On Dec 1, 3:53*pm, Meat Plow wrote: On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 12:35:56 -0800, klem kedidelhopper wrote: On Dec 1, 3:11*pm, Meat Plow wrote: On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:54:20 -0800, klem kedidelhopper wrote: Someone gave me one of these that he says smoked. I found a small burned diode, *(looks like a 1N4000 series size) on the regulator board.This diode was soldered accross C1 with the cathode connected to the positive terminal of C1.This part looks like it must have been a production change as all other parts are labled on the board but this one the board is not labled for it and so it looks like it was a factory modification. Tripp Lite won't help me at all with this problem. So I was hoping that someone might have run into this before who might have any information on this and/or perhaps a schematic that they could share. Thanks for any help. Lenny What happens when you replace the diode? -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse WelI I haven't replaced it as of yet because I don't know if it was just a diode or a zener. And not knowing this and what else might be wrong I wouldn't want to compound the problem. Lenny If it's a zener it would be clamping voltage on a reg circuit. Not knowing what C1 is or does it's hard to say what its function is but I would take an educated guess and say it's not a zener. I suppose you'll need to figure out how C1 plays into the circuit. Personally I would ramp the source up using a variac and watch what kind of voltage developed where the cathode should be and take into consideration C1's rated voltage and maybe develop a *schematic in my head. -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah I don't think that its a zener either. Its just that with the cathode on + it doesn't seem like it could be forward biased so what is it doing there? I haven't tried to draw it out but this otherwise appears to be a straight forward 723 based linear regulator circuit. The way this thing is built though its virtually impossible to reverse engineer it. I do like your idea of using the variac for testing. I have a small variac but with a small load on the PR60 ouput I don't think it should be much of a problem. It ****es me off how uncooperative most of these manufacturers have gotten in the past few years. Back in the 60's when I started in electronics you could get anything from most anyone. Today you would think I was asking for state secrets.This is an obsolete model. What the hell difference would it make to give me a schematic? Not like I'm going to try to mass produce these things. I would just like to get it going for myself. Lenny Years ago I bought a used Nady 201 that I wanted to switch channels. Requiredan xtal change and some tweaking of the RF circuits for both the xmitter and rxcvr. I finally got someone to talk to me at Nady. Even sent me some schematics. I called back maybe 2 weeks later and that person was no longer employed there. Seems at least back then it would take a Wikileak to get any info from Nady. This guy probably got the boot for giving me some tech literature. And Nady wanted back in around 1992 $69 +S/H to re-channel the 201. I had the info on the xtal parameters and sent the data to Jan xtal. They made a new set of xtals for $14.99. Took me 5 minutes to align. Still have the units. Your diode might suppress some kind of transients in that config. May help C1 live longer, hard to tell. -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Maybee I'll replacethe diode with a 1N4004 lets say and plan on possibly doingthe 723 as well. There are no shorted transistors on the output so I guess we'll see. It can always go to the metal pile if need be. Lenny |
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Tripp Lite PR60 power supply problem
I saw a reference to the T-L PR-60 PSU schematic being available at this
website (in 2005) http://www.cbtricks.com/ I don't see the schematic listed, but an email to someone at CB Tricks may be worthwhile. Otherwise, a voltage regulator circuit isn't extremely complicated, and many examples can be found in the ARRL Handbooks (library) or various online plans. -- Cheers, WB .............. "klem kedidelhopper" wrote in message ... Someone gave me one of these that he says smoked. I found a small burned diode, (looks like a 1N4000 series size) on the regulator board.This diode was soldered accross C1 with the cathode connected to the positive terminal of C1.This part looks like it must have been a production change as all other parts are labled on the board but this one the board is not labled for it and so it looks like it was a factory modification. Tripp Lite won't help me at all with this problem. So I was hoping that someone might have run into this before who might have any information on this and/or perhaps a schematic that they could share. Thanks for any help. Lenny |
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"Wild_Bill" wrote in message
... I saw a reference to the T-L PR-60 PSU schematic being available at this website (in 2005) http://www.cbtricks.com/ Is there a crowbar scr in there? It could be a zener used as an overvoltage protector. tm |
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On Dec 1, 8:39*pm, "Wild_Bill" wrote:
I saw a reference to the T-L PR-60 PSU schematic being available at this website (in 2005)http://www.cbtricks.com/ I don't see the schematic listed, but an email to someone at CB Tricks may be worthwhile. Otherwise, a voltage regulator circuit isn't extremely complicated, and many examples can be found in the ARRL Handbooks (library) or various online plans. -- Cheers, WB ............. "klem kedidelhopper" wrote in message ... Someone gave me one of these that he says smoked. I found a small burned diode, *(looks like a 1N4000 series size) on the regulator board.This diode was soldered accross C1 with the cathode connected to the positive terminal of C1.This part looks like it must have been a production change as all other parts are labled on the board but this one the board is not labled for it and so it looks like it was a factory modification. Tripp Lite won't help me at all with this problem. So I was hoping that someone might have run into this before who might have any information on this and/or perhaps a schematic that they could share. Thanks for any help. Lenny- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I tried to register on their site but it was an excercise in frustration. How would I contact anyone there? Lenny |
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On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 13:28:11 -0800 (PST) klem kedidelhopper
wrote in Message id: : Yeah I don't think that its a zener either. Its just that with the cathode on + it doesn't seem like it could be forward biased so what is it doing there? Reverse voltage protection for the cap? |
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I have one thats failed mode. I will revert to astron regulator board and single Capacitor. I will post more to follow. It wont be hard. victor |
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