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DaveC[_3_] April 10th 10 07:15 PM

Cleaning leaked electrolytic & corrosion on PCB
 
What is the best method for cleaning up leaked electrolyte? This PCB has some
corrosion on IC leads and vias.

Is there a corrosion neutralizer that would be effective? Since the potential
for corrosion in places that aren't accessible (deep in the vias), a liquid
that can neutralize corrosion is called for.

Would something like DeOxit work in such an application?

This is on a Tek scope acquisition board.

Thanks.


N_Cook April 10th 10 07:56 PM

Cleaning leaked electrolytic & corrosion on PCB
 
DaveC wrote in message
...
What is the best method for cleaning up leaked electrolyte? This PCB has

some
corrosion on IC leads and vias.

Is there a corrosion neutralizer that would be effective? Since the

potential
for corrosion in places that aren't accessible (deep in the vias), a

liquid
that can neutralize corrosion is called for.

Would something like DeOxit work in such an application?

This is on a Tek scope acquisition board.

Thanks.



litmus test first to see of acidic or alkaline and go for the opposite as
cleaner ?

--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://diverse.4mg.com/index.htm



ian field[_2_] April 10th 10 08:13 PM

Cleaning leaked electrolytic & corrosion on PCB
 

"DaveC" wrote in message
...
What is the best method for cleaning up leaked electrolyte? This PCB has
some
corrosion on IC leads and vias.

Is there a corrosion neutralizer that would be effective? Since the
potential
for corrosion in places that aren't accessible (deep in the vias), a
liquid
that can neutralize corrosion is called for.

Would something like DeOxit work in such an application?

This is on a Tek scope acquisition board.

Thanks.


If you can beg or borrow an ultrasonic cleaner, ordinary water with a dash
of washing up liquid will do fine,

Any crystals or ceramic resonaters should be removed before ultrasonic
cleaning.

If the construction of any components mean they trap water, a second dip
without detergent will be needed, and you may have to bake the board to dry
everything - the pre-heat phase on a SMD oven should do it.



James Sweet[_3_] April 10th 10 08:20 PM

Cleaning leaked electrolytic & corrosion on PCB
 
DaveC wrote:
What is the best method for cleaning up leaked electrolyte? This PCB has some
corrosion on IC leads and vias.

Is there a corrosion neutralizer that would be effective? Since the potential
for corrosion in places that aren't accessible (deep in the vias), a liquid
that can neutralize corrosion is called for.

Would something like DeOxit work in such an application?

This is on a Tek scope acquisition board.

Thanks.



I scrub with white vinegar and a toothbrush, then rinse with alcohol. If
the corrosion is more severe, mechanical methods may be needed,
Scotchbrite type cleaning pads work well but you have to be careful not
to damage fine traces. In some cases it's best to neutralize and then
clean off as much residue as possible and then leave the remaining
corrosion alone.

John Larkin April 10th 10 08:43 PM

Cleaning leaked electrolytic & corrosion on PCB
 
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 11:15:57 -0700, DaveC wrote:

What is the best method for cleaning up leaked electrolyte? This PCB has some
corrosion on IC leads and vias.

Is there a corrosion neutralizer that would be effective? Since the potential
for corrosion in places that aren't accessible (deep in the vias), a liquid
that can neutralize corrosion is called for.

Would something like DeOxit work in such an application?

This is on a Tek scope acquisition board.

Thanks.


Dishwasher.

John


David Eather April 10th 10 09:35 PM

Cleaning leaked electrolytic & corrosion on PCB
 
On 11/04/2010 5:43 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 11:15:57 -0700, wrote:

What is the best method for cleaning up leaked electrolyte? This PCB has some
corrosion on IC leads and vias.

Is there a corrosion neutralizer that would be effective? Since the potential
for corrosion in places that aren't accessible (deep in the vias), a liquid
that can neutralize corrosion is called for.

Would something like DeOxit work in such an application?

This is on a Tek scope acquisition board.

Thanks.


Dishwasher.

John


You must be single.

Jim Yanik April 10th 10 10:55 PM

Cleaning leaked electrolytic & corrosion on PCB
 
"N_Cook" wrote in -
september.org:

DaveC wrote in message
...
What is the best method for cleaning up leaked electrolyte? This PCB has

some
corrosion on IC leads and vias.

Is there a corrosion neutralizer that would be effective? Since the

potential
for corrosion in places that aren't accessible (deep in the vias), a

liquid
that can neutralize corrosion is called for.

Would something like DeOxit work in such an application?

This is on a Tek scope acquisition board.

Thanks.



litmus test first to see of acidic or alkaline and go for the opposite as
cleaner ?

--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://diverse.4mg.com/index.htm




use vinegar if an alkaline electrolytic,or sodium bicarbonate(baking
soda)solution if acidic. then rinse well,prferably with distilled
water,then some 90% isopropyl alcohol to dry.

use a cotton swab soaked in one of the solutions to test it,then try the
other on a new swab.

vias would probably wick up the solution by capillary action.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

Jeff Liebermann April 10th 10 10:56 PM

Cleaning leaked electrolytic & corrosion on PCB
 
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 11:15:57 -0700, DaveC wrote:

What is the best method for cleaning up leaked electrolyte?


The electrolyte is mostly a weak organic acid. Neutralizing it with
any manner of mild base will prevent further corrosion. I use
household cleaner, such as 409. You can tell that it's working if the
liquid foams slightly on contact.

This PCB has some
corrosion on IC leads and vias.


409 will also break up the copper sulfate. However, you'll have to
wash off the residue.

Is there a corrosion neutralizer that would be effective? Since the potential
for corrosion in places that aren't accessible (deep in the vias), a liquid
that can neutralize corrosion is called for.


The trick is not neutralizing the electrolyte. It's cleaning up the
mess afterwards. I smear the residue and "suds" around with a paint
brush, wash with water and/or alcohol, and then use compressed air to
blow as much of the liquid away (so it will dry quicker). Canned air
doesn't work well. An air compressor and nozzle work just fine.

Would something like DeOxit work in such an application?


No. It will leave an oily residue that will eventually turn into a
big mess when the dust lands on the oil. It's also kinda expensive
for washing boards.

This is on a Tek scope acquisition board.


Obviously, there's no need to supply a Tek model number. Many such
pieces of test equipment are very sensitive to leakage caused by board
contamination. For such boards, you may need to give it an alcohol
bath, possibly several times.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D
http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jim Yanik April 10th 10 10:59 PM

Cleaning leaked electrolytic & corrosion on PCB
 
David Eather wrote in
:

On 11/04/2010 5:43 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 11:15:57 -0700,
wrote:

What is the best method for cleaning up leaked electrolyte? This PCB
has some corrosion on IC leads and vias.

Is there a corrosion neutralizer that would be effective? Since the
potential for corrosion in places that aren't accessible (deep in
the vias), a liquid that can neutralize corrosion is called for.

Would something like DeOxit work in such an application?

This is on a Tek scope acquisition board.

Thanks.


Dishwasher.

John


You must be single.


I've used my dishwasher and Calgonite to clean 2236 DMM boards,then a
drying session in our TEK field office's drying oven at around 140DegF for
3 days.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

James Sweet[_3_] April 11th 10 03:19 AM

Cleaning leaked electrolytic & corrosion on PCB
 
David Eather wrote:
On 11/04/2010 5:43 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 11:15:57 -0700, wrote:

What is the best method for cleaning up leaked electrolyte? This PCB
has some
corrosion on IC leads and vias.

Is there a corrosion neutralizer that would be effective? Since the
potential
for corrosion in places that aren't accessible (deep in the vias), a
liquid
that can neutralize corrosion is called for.

Would something like DeOxit work in such an application?

This is on a Tek scope acquisition board.

Thanks.


Dishwasher.

John


You must be single.



You can always do it while the wife is out, it's not gonna damage anything.

When I was a teenager I occasionally washed engine parts in the
dishwasher, not something I'd recommend, but my mom never found out.

TralfamadoranJetPilot April 11th 10 03:59 AM

Cleaning leaked electrolytic & corrosion on PCB
 
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 19:19:20 -0700, James Sweet
wrote:

David Eather wrote:
On 11/04/2010 5:43 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 11:15:57 -0700, wrote:

What is the best method for cleaning up leaked electrolyte? This PCB
has some
corrosion on IC leads and vias.

Is there a corrosion neutralizer that would be effective? Since the
potential
for corrosion in places that aren't accessible (deep in the vias), a
liquid
that can neutralize corrosion is called for.

Would something like DeOxit work in such an application?

This is on a Tek scope acquisition board.

Thanks.

Dishwasher.

John


You must be single.



You can always do it while the wife is out, it's not gonna damage anything.

When I was a teenager I occasionally washed engine parts in the
dishwasher, not something I'd recommend, but my mom never found out.



Just be sure to do a 60 C bake for about a half hour afterward.

Robert Latest April 11th 10 12:29 PM

Cleaning leaked electrolytic & corrosion on PCB
 
["Followup-To:" header set to sci.electronics.design.]
John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 11:15:57 -0700, DaveC wrote:

What is the best method for cleaning up leaked electrolyte? This PCB has some
corrosion on IC leads and vias.

Is there a corrosion neutralizer that would be effective? Since the potential
for corrosion in places that aren't accessible (deep in the vias), a liquid
that can neutralize corrosion is called for.

Would something like DeOxit work in such an application?

This is on a Tek scope acquisition board.

Thanks.


Dishwasher.


Excellent advice. A household dishwasher (with the normal powder
detergent) is an extremely cheap and powerful cleaning device for almost
anything. It took me a while to convince my ex-lab to use one for
cleaning larger UHV parts rather than an appropriately-sized ultrasonic
tank which would have cost the equivalent of 100 dishwashers. There are
things that a dishwasher isn't good enough for, but they are few.

robert

ian field[_2_] April 11th 10 03:24 PM

Cleaning leaked electrolytic & corrosion on PCB
 

"James Sweet" wrote in message
...
David Eather wrote:
On 11/04/2010 5:43 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 11:15:57 -0700, wrote:

What is the best method for cleaning up leaked electrolyte? This PCB
has some
corrosion on IC leads and vias.

Is there a corrosion neutralizer that would be effective? Since the
potential
for corrosion in places that aren't accessible (deep in the vias), a
liquid
that can neutralize corrosion is called for.

Would something like DeOxit work in such an application?

This is on a Tek scope acquisition board.

Thanks.

Dishwasher.

John


You must be single.



You can always do it while the wife is out, it's not gonna damage
anything.

When I was a teenager I occasionally washed engine parts in the
dishwasher, not something I'd recommend, but my mom never found out.


It was a different story the one time I put a pan of trichloroethane on the
gas ring!



JW April 12th 10 10:48 AM

Cleaning leaked electrolytic & corrosion on PCB
 
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:16:27 GMT (Nico Coesel) wrote in
Message id: :

DaveC wrote:

What is the best method for cleaning up leaked electrolyte? This PCB has some
corrosion on IC leads and vias.

Is there a corrosion neutralizer that would be effective? Since the potential
for corrosion in places that aren't accessible (deep in the vias), a liquid
that can neutralize corrosion is called for.

Would something like DeOxit work in such an application?

This is on a Tek scope acquisition board.


Hmm, you bought a TDS5xx? There is a lot about cleaning these board on
the Tektronix user forum on their website.


Many TDS 6XX scopes also had this problem. I run them through a dish
washer first, then a Simple Green scrubbing followed by rinsing and blow
dry using a compressor. After that I scrub 'em again with isopropyl
alcohol, remove all the caps and replace with new ones. If it still
doesn't pass it's diagnostics and SPC, start looking for open vias
(usually black) and etches that are close to the areas where the worst of
the leakage was.


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