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There used to be a really cool tuner made by Sequerra which I saw in
the 1970s which had this amazing feature on a built-in scope. None of the other tuners made at that time which had scopes in them seemed to have that function (I actually bought a Marantz ST600, though for the AMAZING sound, not the scope) Does anyone know why this technology died a death? Surely this could be useful now, as well as being useful for broadband signal detection, showing signal strength as well as how stable the signal is? Or has the concept of having a scope in a tuner died a death for some reason? Surely it should be easier now with the prevalence of LCDs being used for everything in sight? Or are there any WiFi applications which can simulate this function? |
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There used to be a really cool tuner made by Sequerra which I saw in
the 1970s which had this amazing feature on a built-in scope. None of the other tuners made at that time which had scopes in them seemed to have that function. (I actually bought a Marantz ST600, though for the AMAZING sound, not the scope.) Does anyone know why this technology died a death? It adds to the tuner's cost without providing a feature most users need. Surely this could be useful now, as well as being useful for broadband signal detection, showing signal strength as well as how stable the signal is? You can buy an inexpensive WiFi detector at RatShack and elsewhere. Or has the concept of having a scope in a tuner died a death for some reason? See above. FM is no longer a significant program source for many listeners, especially with the decline in classical and jazz stations. |
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On Mar 28, 9:38*am, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote: There used to be a really cool tuner made by Sequerra which I saw in the 1970s which had this amazing feature on a built-in scope. None of the other tuners made at that time which had scopes in them seemed to have that function. (I actually bought a Marantz ST600, though for the AMAZING sound, not the scope.) Does anyone know why this technology died a death? It adds to the tuner's cost without providing a feature most users need. Surely this could be useful now, as well as being useful for broadband signal detection, showing signal strength as well as how stable the signal is? You can buy an inexpensive WiFi detector at RatShack and elsewhere. I would like it for diagnostic purposes, to see when (and by how much) my cable company's signal drops off, as well as which nearby WiFi signals are experiencing similar problems. I use RCN and their signal wavers around like mad. No app l know of can show any of this: Most of them are dependent on the beacon to show just whether there is anything there or not and how strong it is when it is beaconing. I wonder if what I am asking for is a practical impossibility? Surely routers are transmitting all the time even if the beacon only transmits at certain intervals. It would b interesting to see an app like this show things like packet loss etc. Or has the concept of having a scope in a tuner died a death for some reason? See above. FM is no longer a significant program source for many listeners, especially with the decline in classical and jazz stations. Dont take your point: In my area there are plenty of classical choices and with a knob tuner, it is interesting to see where the stations are and how strong they are, though this signal strength business doesnt seem to be as important as it is with WiFi. |
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DManzaluni wrote:
On Mar 28, 9:38 am, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: snip FM is no longer a significant program source for many listeners, especially with the decline in classical and jazz stations. Dont take your point: In my area there are plenty of classical choices and with a knob tuner, it is interesting to see where the stations are and how strong they are, though this signal strength business doesnt seem to be as important as it is with WiFi. Where, pray tell, are classical stations that numerous? -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form . |
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FM is no longer a significant program source for many listeners,
especially with the decline in classical and jazz stations. Dont take your point: In my area there are plenty of classical choices and with a knob tuner, it is interesting to see where the stations are and how strong they are, though this signal strength business doesnt seem to be as important as it is with WiFi. You're fortunate, but for the country as a whole, classical and jazz are in a decline. And tuners are made to sell throughout a country, not just in one area. |
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DManzaluni wrote:
On Mar 28, 9:38 am, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: snip Surely this could be useful now, as well as being useful for broadband signal detection, showing signal strength as well as how stable the signal is? You can buy an inexpensive WiFi detector at RatShack and elsewhere. Those are not spectrum analyzers. I am interested in talking with anyone who has purchased the Airsleuth spectrum analyzer, which is uses HomeRF2 NICs, to learn about installation details you encounter. Details of the product are he http://www.NutsAboutNets.com/perform...umanalyzer.htm If you are serious about doing some signal and spectrum monitoring in the WiFi bands, this may be a useful choice. I have the hardware but am interested in hearing of the installation experience another user encounters with either the Airsleuth-Pro or Airsleuth-Lite product. Michael |
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On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:55:40 -0600, msg wrote:
Those are not spectrum analyzers. I am interested in talking with anyone who has purchased the Airsleuth spectrum analyzer, which is uses HomeRF2 NICs, to learn about installation details you encounter. Details of the product are he http://www.NutsAboutNets.com/perform...umanalyzer.htm (404. Page not found) Try instead: http://www.nutsaboutnets.com/performance-wifi/products/product-airsleuth-wifi-spectrum-analyzer.htm Moderately expensive Wi-Fi spectrum analyzers are common: http://www.metageek.net (Wi-Spy) http://www.bvsystems.com (Bumblebee) http://www.airmagnet.com/products/spectrum_analyzer/ There are also some based on a Proxim FHSS PCMCIA card (which doesn't work using XP or Vista). You can also build your own: http://www.wireless.org.au/~jhecker/specan/ http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/sa50.html Note that you really don't need to build or buy a spectrum analyzer that covers from 0.1 to 6GHz to see Wi-Fi. You only need something that works up to perhaps 500MHz. Precede that with a local oscillator, mixer (downconverter), preamp, and filter, to cover the desired frequency range. In other words, buy the complicated IF and display section and build your own front end. There will be some mixing artifacts, but they're fairly easy to detect. If you want better results (i.e. better dynamic range fewer spurs), a real spectrum analyzer is far more useful. Fluke, Tek, Agilent, Anaritsu, etc all make portable devices in the $3,000 and up price range. As for the demise of classical music FM stations, in the Monterey Bay area, we have KBOQ: http://www.kbach.com In the SF Bay area, there is KDFC: http://www.kdfc.com Some of the college stations play classical music, but not full time. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 06:17:02 -0700 (PDT), DManzaluni
wrote: There used to be a really cool tuner made by Sequerra which I saw in the 1970s which had this amazing feature on a built-in scope. The magic buzzword is "panadapter". Search Google for lots of hits. For fairly narrowband applications, it's sometimes called a "waterfall" display. The feature is found on some AOR scanners. All the SDR (software defined radio) tuners have panadapters in software. For example: http://www.rfspace.com/SDR-IQ.html (see photos) Any synthesized receiver that covers the FM band can have this feature, but you need direct access to the frequency control and IF output. The panadapter sweeps the frequency range, and displays the detected signal strength versus frequency on an x-y display. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On 3/29/2009 8:45 AM Jeff Liebermann spake thus:
As for the demise of classical music FM stations, in the Monterey Bay area, we have KBOQ: http://www.kbach.com In the SF Bay area, there is KDFC: http://www.kdfc.com .... which is only a faint shadow of its former self, now playing nothing but "easy listening" classical pieces and war horses. When I moved here, not only were there 2 FM classical stations, but KDFC broadcast in *AM* as well (there were a couple of other classical AM stations as well). So I'd say classical music radio is in a rather steep decline. -- Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least mostly pears. Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in the product. Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product. (with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers) |
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