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The CTS256-AL2 is a text to code processor. It converts English text
to phoneme codes used by the
SP0256-AL2, which is a speech generator. It is all stuff from the 80-
ies, but it would be great fun to do a little project with this
chip... Any speech chips appreciated. Please let me know if you can
help me.

Thanks.

George
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GdB wrote:
The CTS256-AL2 is a text to code processor. It converts English text
to phoneme codes used by the
SP0256-AL2, which is a speech generator. It is all stuff from the 80-
ies, but it would be great fun to do a little project with this
chip... Any speech chips appreciated. Please let me know if you can
help me.

Thanks.

George

Maybe you can find something on the
Texas Instruments TMS5220 with a custom Acorn ROM
I played with in the eighties/nineties in a bbc-b computer.
That unbelievable computer had a socket reserved just
for that purpose.
And no, I dont have the chip or computer anymore.....
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Any speech chips appreciated.

Best results for me: lurking at
ebay.com Electronic Components and/or Vintage Computing
with keywords like "Speech" and/or partnumber.
Only in very tough cases like Digitalker scanning the
www with google got better results.

Currently available at ebay:
General Instruments SP1000 ( LPC-lattice Analyzer, Syntesizer )
Interstate ASA16 ( filterbank for recognition )
General Instruments SP0250 ( LPC-lattice Synth. )
General Instruments SP0256AL2 ( LPC-lattice Synth. with Phonem. )
Votrax SC01A ( Formant Synth. with Phonem. )
I can scan datasheets and other documentation for
most of these oldtimers.

CTS256-AL2 , SP0256-AL2

Have been at ebay in the last year, but expensive.
And even if they had been cheaper: the SP0256-AL2
with its PWM-output had always a lousy quality compared
to Votrax.
The CTS256 probably implements the Naval Research Algorithm [1]
on a PIC7041 microcontroller.
For anyone using the SP0256-AL2 directly there has been an
Application Note containing precoded a list of common words [2].

MfG JRD

[1] Elovitz et Al. "Automatic Translation of English Text to Phonetics
by mean of letter to sound rules" United States Naval Research
Laboratory Report 7948 year: 1976
( donī t have it, but would be interestred )
[2] Janet May "Allophone Speech Syntesis Technique" General Instruments
1982
( can scan it )
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Currently available at ebay:
Saw these as well, all quite expensive, it's just for fun and I'm sure
someone has them in a drawer...

* *General Instruments SP1000 ( LPC-lattice Analyzer, Syntesizer )
* *Interstate ASA16 ( filterbank for recognition )
* *General Instruments SP0250 ( LPC-lattice Synth. )
* *General Instruments SP0256AL2 ( LPC-lattice Synth. with Phonem. )
* *Votrax SC01A ( Formant Synth. with Phonem. )
I can scan datasheets and other documentation for
most of these oldtimers.

Wow, that would be useful! I got the SC01 as well as its datasheet.

CTS256-AL2 , SP0256-AL2


Have been at ebay in the last year, but expensive.
And even if they had been cheaper: the SP0256-AL2
with its PWM-output had always a lousy quality compared
to Votrax.
The CTS256 probably implements the Naval Research Algorithm [1]
on a PIC7041 microcontroller.

A PIC??? Or doesn't this have a relation with today's PIC's...

For anyone using the SP0256-AL2 directly there has been an
Application Note containing precoded a list of common words [2].

I've got the whole datasheet. If someone needs it. It holds the whole
list of allophones and examples of words to allophones...


MfG JRD

[1] Elovitz et Al. "Automatic Translation of English Text to Phonetics
* * *by mean of letter to sound rules" United States Naval Research
* * *Laboratory Report 7948 *year: 1976
* * *( donī t have it, but would be interestred )
[2] Janet May "Allophone Speech Syntesis Technique" General Instruments
* * *1982
* * *( can scan it )


Regards,

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Currently available at ebay:
Saw these as well, all quite expensive,

The SP1000 from Voyager are cheap.
For the others one can contact the seller
to see if one can find something agreeable
for both sides. Note that they and ebay
arenīt in it for hobby and apart from the
Votrax there isnīt that much sold.

that would be useful!
General Instruments SP1000 ( LPC-lattice Analyzer, Syntesizer )

Datasheet:
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/sp1000-datasheet.pdf
Application Note:
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/sp1000-an.pdf
Manual:
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/sp1000-manual-1.pdf
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/sp1000-manual-2.pdf
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/sp1000-manual-3.pdf
My board:
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/sp1000p.pdf
My unfinished description (in german):
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/sp1000.pdf
Avoid the PWM-filter in the article, doesnīt work.

The problem with the SP1000 is that i and some other people
found it not working. But there was an article about it by
Steve Ciarcia in Byte and there seem to have been some
applications that used it. Its unclear if there are
batches of faulty chips or if the datasheet is wrong.
Even if it would work: the LPC-synthesizer has the usual
problem with the lousy PWM output. The gradient
lattice LPC analyzer is highly suspect too.

Interstate ASA16 ( filterbank for recognition )

Datasheet:
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/asa-16.pdf
Article:
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/asa16-assp.pdf
My board:
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/asa16p.pdf
My description (in german):
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/asaapp.pdf
Found it easy to use. But make shure power-up
sequencing for its 3 supplies is properly done.

Votrax SC01A ( Formant Synth. with Phonem. )

Datasheet should be easy to find in www.
There is a good description of it in the book
Bristow "Electronic Speech Synthesis"
My board:
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/sc01ap.pdf
My description ( in german ):
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/votrax.pdf

Other:
VCP200 zero crossing speech recognition IC
speaker independent, fixed vocabulary
There is a datasheet, but havenīs scanned it yet
My board:
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/vcp200p.pdf
My description ( in german ):
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/vcp.pdf
This is the lowest cost approach and one should not
expect too much.

HM2007 4 channel filterbank speech recognition IC
speaker dependent / trainable
Datasheet should be easy to find in www.
My board:
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/hm2007p.pdf
My description ( in german ):
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/hm2007p.pdf
The datasheet and the IC are slightly buggy.

Digitalker Mozer speech synthesizer
There are several datasheets for the Digitalker,
too many to list them here.
My board Digitalker:
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/digitalkerp.pdf
My board UAA1003:
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/uaa1003p.pdf
My description ( in german ):
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/mozer.pdf
There was another earlier Mozer IC from Telesensory.
The UAA1003 is a talking clock available in english and
german versions.

I have included pictures of my boards so one see what
external circuits are necessary. But note: aliasing filters
are mostly not included.
The layouts could be a good start for anyone using Eagle 4.15.

The CTS256 probably implements the Naval Research Algorithm [1]
on a PIC7041 microcontroller.

A PIC??? Or doesn't this have a relation with today's PIC's...


Anything there is called a PIC even a MIPS.
Texas Instruments tried in those days to introduce their 8 bit
TMS70xx controllers with much fanfare and General Instruments was
their second source. TI dropped them soon afterwards and so
hardly anyone remembers them.

For anyone using the SP0256-AL2 directly there has been an
Application Note containing precoded a list of common words [2].

I've got the whole datasheet. If someone needs it. It holds the whole
list of allophones and examples of words to allophones...

Probably these:
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/tts7.pdf
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/tts8.pdf
I am a bit sceptical about the usefullness of text-to-speech.
Steve Ciarcia ( who was involved with the Votrax 2 it seems )
published several articles in Byte with code in BASIC. That would
be a reasonable starting point for a simple implementation that
would probably work better then the CTS256.

MfG JRD


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On 10 feb, 16:06, Rafael Deliano
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Wow! That is A LOT of useful information, thanks a bunch! I know this
all can easilier and better be done these days, but it is the fun to
try and find all those very old IC's. And for some reason, especially
this CTS256... ;-)

[.....]

HM2007 4 channel filterbank speech recognition IC
* * * * speaker dependent / trainable
Datasheet should be easy to find in www.
My board:http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/hm2007p.pdf
My description ( in german ):http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/hm2007p.pdf
The datasheet and the IC are slightly buggy.

It seems you added your board picture twice, instead of the
description... No big deal as I have never heard of this chip.

[.....]

Probably these:http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/tts.../temp/tts8.pdf
I am a bit sceptical about the usefullness of text-to-speech.
Steve Ciarcia ( who was involved with the Votrax 2 it seems )
published several articles in Byte with code in BASIC. That would
be a reasonable starting point for a simple implementation that
would probably work better then the CTS256.

I know the TTS is very poor, but this is of course a chip from the 80-
ies, incredible by then! The wole idea is to try and find it.


Hertzlichen Dank! It's a wealth of information!

George
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I know this all can easilier and better be done these days,
Its a niche market semiconductor makers do no longer
address as there isnīt the market volume they nowadays dream
of.
There are neither modern small speech recognition ICs ( apart
perhaps from Sensory ). Nor are there speech synthesizers like
the digitalker that can serve as coprozessors to 8 bit
controllers and are supplied with prefabricated vocabulary
by the manufacturer.
In theory one can clone the oldtimers with modern micro-
controllers. But the required R&D high and there are no
obvious distribution channels.
SP0256 & CTS256 replacements seem to exist:
http://www.speechchips.com/shop/category.aspx?catid=3
But as said i am sceptical if text-to-speech really fits
typical embedded applications.

It seems you added your board picture twice, instead of the
description... No big deal as I have never heard of this chip.

Thats it:
http://www.embeddedFORTH.de/temp/hm2007.pdf
Available for $25 ( i got them via ebay ):
http://www.imagesco.com/speech/speec...echnology.html

It's a wealth of information!

Make shure to store it, the files are only temporary on the website.

MfG JRD
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I know this all can easilier and better be done these days,

Its a niche market semiconductor makers do no longer
address as there isnīt the market volume they nowadays dream
of.
There are neither modern small speech recognition ICs ( apart
perhaps from Sensory ). Nor are there speech synthesizers like
the digitalker that can serve as coprozessors to 8 bit
controllers and are supplied with prefabricated vocabulary
by the manufacturer.
In theory one can clone the oldtimers with modern micro-
controllers. But the required R&D high and there are no
obvious distribution channels.

Agree... I can not find it right now, but will post it if I can find
it, but I saw a project that uses the SP0256-AL2 ROM, but was
(MicroChip) PIC based. Funny...


SP0256 & CTS256 replacements seem to exist:http://www.speechchips.com/shop/category.aspx?catid=3
But as said i am sceptical if text-to-speech really fits
typical embedded applications.

I know that website, indeed they sell the SP0256-AL2 and, the much
more hard to find, SP0256-17. However, I'm actually looking for this
CTS256, where they sell a modern replacement (TTS256).

[....]
http://www.imagesco.com/speech/speec...echnology.html

These guys are funny, $ 5 for sp0256-al2 DATASHEET!???

It's a wealth of information!

Make shure to store it, the files are only temporary on the website.

I did, many thanks.



Regards,

George
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:09:19 -0800, GdB wrote:

On 11 feb, 11:37, Rafael Deliano
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Text deleted.



It's a wealth of information!

Make shure to store it, the files are only temporary on the website.

I did, many thanks.



Regards,

George


Look here for a pdf copy of the original GI SP0256-AL2
spec sheet (no Charge and has chips for sale).


http://www.e-clec-tech.com/spo256al2chip.html


Gnack


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The CTS256 probably implements the Naval Research Algorithm [1]
on a PIC7041 microcontroller.


GdB writes:
A PIC??? Or doesn't this have a relation with today's PIC's...


Microchip Technology, the manufacturer of the PICmicro family of
microcontrollers, was originally part of General Instruments. At that
time, they made several families of microcontrollers. They had a few
PIC16xx parts that were the predecessors of the more recent PICs, and
they also had PIC70xx parts that were a second source of the Texas
Instruments TMS70xx microcontrollers. There was no relation between
the PIC16xx and PIC70xx other than that both were made by GI.



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On Feb 10, 7:47*am, GdB wrote:
The CTS256-AL2 is a text to code processor. It converts English text
to phoneme codes used by the
SP0256-AL2, which is a speech generator. It is all stuff from the 80-
ies, but it would be great fun to do a little project with this
chip... Any speech chips appreciated. Please let me know if you can
help me.

Thanks.

George


The other speech chip I recall was the SC-01. Had many pre-programmed
"speech" sounds - sound "parts" that could be played by the CPU in
strings to make pretty convincing "words" in english (and maybe some
parts of other languages if you wanted to try ?)

I saw this used was on several of the Gottlieb system 80(A) pinball
machines. (www.ipdb.org)

In the game "Caveman" (1982) it even synthesised very realistic
"cricket chirp / jungle" background sound effects as well as I vaguely
recall. (though they might not be that exciting by modern "sound
blaster" standards.)

Sound board in that was pretty basic 6532 processor system.

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Hello Rafael
I would love to access those SP1000 files
can you help me ?
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