The vacuum fluorescent display on this machine has gone extremely dim.
The machine is about 10 years old, but hasn't had a huge amount of use
- perhaps 300 hours or so, so I'm hoping the problem isn't the display
itself. (The fine 'heater' wires are glowing dull-red like they always
did, and the machine works perfectly.) Does anyone have any experience
of a 'dim display' problem like this on this or any similar equipment,
or any general experience of working with these displays? I'm
especially interested to know what sort of voltage the supply and
drive waveforms should be on this kind of display. Also, any ideas
where I could find a schematic for this machine (for free or low
cost)? Thanks.

"PAforMusic" wrote in message
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The vacuum fluorescent display on this machine has gone extremely dim.
The machine is about 10 years old, but hasn't had a huge amount of use
- perhaps 300 hours or so, so I'm hoping the problem isn't the display
itself. (The fine 'heater' wires are glowing dull-red like they always
did, and the machine works perfectly.) Does anyone have any experience
of a 'dim display' problem like this on this or any similar equipment,
or any general experience of working with these displays? I'm
especially interested to know what sort of voltage the supply and
drive waveforms should be on this kind of display. Also, any ideas
where I could find a schematic for this machine (for free or low
cost)? Thanks.

Typical supply voltage is around 1.5 to 3v AC for the filament supply
(that's the pins at either end of the display which are normally separated
from the rest of the pins by one space, and may be just a single pin at
either end, or two pins at either end) and -29v (that's *negative* 29v) for
the segment drives. This voltage is very typically derived from a
capacitively coupled voltage multiplier, using electrolytic caps of around
50 to 100uF. As electrolytic caps are not really designed to have low
frequency significantly-sized alternating voltages across them, it is very
common for them to dry out or go high ESR in these multiplier circuits, the
result being that the -29v supply drops low, and the display goes very dim.

Start with a decent digital multimeter and check that the negative supply is
around the value that it should be. If it is, check the filament supply just
to make sure that is ok (there used to be a Sony cassette deck which AC
coupled the filament supply with electrolytics which went open, but it is
much more common for this suply to be derived directly from the power
transformer) and if it is, then unfortunately, it will likely be the VFD
panel itself at fault. If the supply is low - say -18v or less - then look
for the multiplier stage, and either check the caps' ESRs if you have an ESR
meter, or check for AC getting through them with a 'scope.

All of this assumes that it uses a linear supply. If it uses a switcher,
same voltages apply, but the negative supply will be directly derived from
the switching transformer secondary, via its own diode and smoothing cap. In
this case, suspect this cap for high ESR. Also with a switcher, the AC
supply to the filament may be at switching frequency, in which case your
digital multimeter will not read a correct value.

Arfa

On Jan 26, 6:19*pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"PAforMusic" wrote in message

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The vacuum fluorescent display on this machine has gone extremely dim.
The machine is about 10 years old, but hasn't had a huge amount of use
- perhaps 300 hours or so, so I'm hoping the problem isn't the display
itself. (The fine 'heater' wires are glowing dull-red like they always
did, and the machine works perfectly.) Does anyone have any experience
of a 'dim display' problem like this on this or any similar equipment,
or any general experience of working with these displays? I'm
especially interested to know what sort of voltage the supply and
drive waveforms should be on this kind of display. Also, any ideas
where I could find a schematic for this machine (for free or low
cost)? Thanks.

Typical supply voltage is around 1.5 to 3v AC for the filament supply
(that's the pins at either end of the display which are normally separated
from the rest of the pins by one space, and may be just a single pin at
either end, or two pins at either end) and -29v (that's *negative* 29v) for
the segment drives. This voltage is very typically derived from a
capacitively coupled voltage multiplier, using electrolytic caps of around
50 to 100uF. As electrolytic caps are not really designed to have low
frequency significantly-sized alternating voltages across them, it is very
common for them to dry out or go high ESR in these multiplier circuits, the
result being that the -29v supply drops low, and the display goes very dim.

Start with a decent digital multimeter and check that the negative supply is
around the value that it should be. If it is, check the filament supply just
to make sure that is ok (there used to be a Sony cassette deck which AC
coupled the filament supply with electrolytics which went open, but it is
much more common for this suply to be derived directly from the power
transformer) and if it is, then unfortunately, it will likely be the VFD
panel itself at fault. If the supply is low - say -18v or less - then look
for the multiplier stage, and either check the caps' ESRs if you have an ESR
meter, or check for AC getting through them with a 'scope.

All of this assumes that it uses a linear supply. If it uses a switcher,
same voltages apply, but the negative supply will be directly derived from
the switching transformer secondary, via its own diode and smoothing cap. In
this case, suspect this cap for high ESR. Also with a switcher, the AC
supply to the filament may be at switching frequency, in which case your
digital multimeter will not read a correct value.

Arfa

Thanks very much indeed Arfa, that's really useful guidance for me.

"PAforMusic" wrote in message
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On Jan 26, 6:19 pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"PAforMusic" wrote in message

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The vacuum fluorescent display on this machine has gone extremely dim.
The machine is about 10 years old, but hasn't had a huge amount of use
- perhaps 300 hours or so, so I'm hoping the problem isn't the display
itself. (The fine 'heater' wires are glowing dull-red like they always
did, and the machine works perfectly.) Does anyone have any experience
of a 'dim display' problem like this on this or any similar equipment,
or any general experience of working with these displays? I'm
especially interested to know what sort of voltage the supply and
drive waveforms should be on this kind of display. Also, any ideas
where I could find a schematic for this machine (for free or low
cost)? Thanks.

Typical supply voltage is around 1.5 to 3v AC for the filament supply
(that's the pins at either end of the display which are normally separated
from the rest of the pins by one space, and may be just a single pin at
either end, or two pins at either end) and -29v (that's *negative* 29v)
for
the segment drives. This voltage is very typically derived from a
capacitively coupled voltage multiplier, using electrolytic caps of around
50 to 100uF. As electrolytic caps are not really designed to have low
frequency significantly-sized alternating voltages across them, it is very
common for them to dry out or go high ESR in these multiplier circuits,
the
result being that the -29v supply drops low, and the display goes very
dim.

Start with a decent digital multimeter and check that the negative supply
is
around the value that it should be. If it is, check the filament supply
just
to make sure that is ok (there used to be a Sony cassette deck which AC
coupled the filament supply with electrolytics which went open, but it is
much more common for this suply to be derived directly from the power
transformer) and if it is, then unfortunately, it will likely be the VFD
panel itself at fault. If the supply is low - say -18v or less - then look
for the multiplier stage, and either check the caps' ESRs if you have an
ESR
meter, or check for AC getting through them with a 'scope.

All of this assumes that it uses a linear supply. If it uses a switcher,
same voltages apply, but the negative supply will be directly derived from
the switching transformer secondary, via its own diode and smoothing cap.
In
this case, suspect this cap for high ESR. Also with a switcher, the AC
supply to the filament may be at switching frequency, in which case your
digital multimeter will not read a correct value.

Arfa

Thanks very much indeed Arfa, that's really useful guidance for me.



Dang. And I was all set to give my "wisdom". Way to go, Geoff!

Mark Z.

"Mark Zacharias" wrote in message
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"PAforMusic" wrote in message
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On Jan 26, 6:19 pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"PAforMusic" wrote in message

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The vacuum fluorescent display on this machine has gone extremely dim.
The machine is about 10 years old, but hasn't had a huge amount of use
- perhaps 300 hours or so, so I'm hoping the problem isn't the display
itself. (The fine 'heater' wires are glowing dull-red like they always
did, and the machine works perfectly.) Does anyone have any experience
of a 'dim display' problem like this on this or any similar equipment,
or any general experience of working with these displays? I'm
especially interested to know what sort of voltage the supply and
drive waveforms should be on this kind of display. Also, any ideas
where I could find a schematic for this machine (for free or low
cost)? Thanks.

Typical supply voltage is around 1.5 to 3v AC for the filament supply
(that's the pins at either end of the display which are normally
separated
from the rest of the pins by one space, and may be just a single pin at
either end, or two pins at either end) and -29v (that's *negative* 29v)
for
the segment drives. This voltage is very typically derived from a
capacitively coupled voltage multiplier, using electrolytic caps of
around
50 to 100uF. As electrolytic caps are not really designed to have low
frequency significantly-sized alternating voltages across them, it is
very
common for them to dry out or go high ESR in these multiplier circuits,
the
result being that the -29v supply drops low, and the display goes very
dim.

Start with a decent digital multimeter and check that the negative supply
is
around the value that it should be. If it is, check the filament supply
just
to make sure that is ok (there used to be a Sony cassette deck which AC
coupled the filament supply with electrolytics which went open, but it is
much more common for this suply to be derived directly from the power
transformer) and if it is, then unfortunately, it will likely be the VFD
panel itself at fault. If the supply is low - say -18v or less - then
look
for the multiplier stage, and either check the caps' ESRs if you have an
ESR
meter, or check for AC getting through them with a 'scope.

All of this assumes that it uses a linear supply. If it uses a switcher,
same voltages apply, but the negative supply will be directly derived
from
the switching transformer secondary, via its own diode and smoothing cap.
In
this case, suspect this cap for high ESR. Also with a switcher, the AC
supply to the filament may be at switching frequency, in which case your
digital multimeter will not read a correct value.

Arfa

Thanks very much indeed Arfa, that's really useful guidance for me.



Dang. And I was all set to give my "wisdom". Way to go, Geoff!

Mark Z.

I guess that your 'wisdom' would have been just about exactly the same as
mine on this one Mark ! :-)

Arfa