Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice simple (I
think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

35 years daily experience of finding hidden screws and clips and twisty
pressure points, but nearly an hour of probing and testing cracks and gaps
with knife blades, I'm still no nearer.

So does anyone actually know ? Not really looking for suggestions, as I've
probably tried them all anyway. Just if anyone knows for sure the trick of
it, please share ... !!

Arfa

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
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Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice simple (I
think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

35 years daily experience of finding hidden screws and clips and twisty
pressure points, but nearly an hour of probing and testing cracks and gaps
with knife blades, I'm still no nearer.

So does anyone actually know ? Not really looking for suggestions, as I've
probably tried them all anyway. Just if anyone knows for sure the trick of
it, please share ... !!

Maybe the "trick" of it is an assembly method that saved money with no
intention of anyone ever repairing it. Have seen that myself, BTW.

"Charles" wrote in message
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"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
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Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice simple
(I think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

35 years daily experience of finding hidden screws and clips and twisty
pressure points, but nearly an hour of probing and testing cracks and
gaps with knife blades, I'm still no nearer.

So does anyone actually know ? Not really looking for suggestions, as
I've probably tried them all anyway. Just if anyone knows for sure the
trick of it, please share ... !!

Maybe the "trick" of it is an assembly method that saved money with no
intention of anyone ever repairing it. Have seen that myself, BTW.


Yes, I too have seen that, but in this case, it seems rather too 'good' an
item, and generally too well made for that to be the case. I understand that
it is quite an expensive 'designer-lifestyle' radio. Looks like the sort of
thing you would find for sale in a John Lewis store. Take a look at it
here ---

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Genus-Type-R.../dp/B000OBYQGO

I don't know where it is actually made, but it has, moulded into the back,
"Designed in London" and a Union flag. It is a very 'solid' unit with
genuine walnut side panels, and a very elegant touch control system on the
top panel. The only visible screws are four in the bottom, which release a
metal plate which covers a totally empty (other than a fixed multiway
connector) metal compartment for a specialist sized rechargeable battery
(not fitted) and two screws which secure the carrying handle to damped
rotating bosses set in the wooden side panels. There is no indication that
these bosses are any kind of removable screw or other fixing, as you used to
find with the old Hackers. They appear to be solidly fixed into the wooden
side panels.

There is a sculpted foam front speaker cover, which occupies the whole
front, but an experiment with a knife blade inserted under one corner, in
case ir clipped or velcro'd off, resulted only in that 'tearing glue' sound
that you get when something really is glued. The back panel is covered with
a glued on leatherette type plastic. Running a finger over its entire
surface, reveals not the slightest sign of there being anything other than a
flat metal plate under it.

A knife inserted in every crack and slid back and forth, reveals no obvious
clips. Twisting produces no perceivable movement to reveal unseen anchor
points. I'm stumped !

Arfa

Arfa Daily wrote in message
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Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice simple (I
think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

35 years daily experience of finding hidden screws and clips and twisty
pressure points, but nearly an hour of probing and testing cracks and gaps
with knife blades, I'm still no nearer.

So does anyone actually know ? Not really looking for suggestions, as I've
probably tried them all anyway. Just if anyone knows for sure the trick of
it, please share ... !!

Arfa




I've seen similar in that you have to remove the handle to release the
innards, I forget the make for the moment


--
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electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

It is a bit of a mystery:

http://www.retrothing.com/2006/08/beautiful_genus.html

Found other sites/links and tried to open the "Genus" website and they
appear to have gone away.

It might have been a company based in India that has gone defunct or
morphed.

maybe this one off my repair briefs

Roberts R727 radio 1989
Undo base and push down the handle to release
and expose 2 bolts

does that make any sense?

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http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

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Arfa Daily wrote in message
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Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice
simple (I think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

35 years daily experience of finding hidden screws and clips and
twisty pressure points, but nearly an hour of probing and testing
cracks and gaps with knife blades, I'm still no nearer.

So does anyone actually know ? Not really looking for suggestions, as
I've probably tried them all anyway. Just if anyone knows for sure
the trick of it, please share ... !!

Arfa




I've seen similar in that you have to remove the handle to release the
innards, I forget the make for the moment




I'd second this, have you tried removing the handle?



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Arfa Daily wrote:
"Charles" wrote in message
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"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
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Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice simple
(I think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

35 years daily experience of finding hidden screws and clips and twisty
pressure points, but nearly an hour of probing and testing cracks and
gaps with knife blades, I'm still no nearer.

So does anyone actually know ? Not really looking for suggestions, as
I've probably tried them all anyway. Just if anyone knows for sure the
trick of it, please share ... !!
Maybe the "trick" of it is an assembly method that saved money with no
intention of anyone ever repairing it. Have seen that myself, BTW.


Yes, I too have seen that, but in this case, it seems rather too 'good' an
item, and generally too well made for that to be the case. I understand that
it is quite an expensive 'designer-lifestyle' radio. Looks like the sort of
thing you would find for sale in a John Lewis store. Take a look at it
here ---

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Genus-Type-R.../dp/B000OBYQGO

I don't know where it is actually made, but it has, moulded into the back,
"Designed in London" and a Union flag. It is a very 'solid' unit with
genuine walnut side panels, and a very elegant touch control system on the
top panel. The only visible screws are four in the bottom, which release a
metal plate which covers a totally empty (other than a fixed multiway
connector) metal compartment for a specialist sized rechargeable battery
(not fitted) and two screws which secure the carrying handle to damped
rotating bosses set in the wooden side panels. There is no indication that
these bosses are any kind of removable screw or other fixing, as you used to
find with the old Hackers. They appear to be solidly fixed into the wooden
side panels.

There is a sculpted foam front speaker cover, which occupies the whole
front, but an experiment with a knife blade inserted under one corner, in
case ir clipped or velcro'd off, resulted only in that 'tearing glue' sound
that you get when something really is glued. The back panel is covered with
a glued on leatherette type plastic. Running a finger over its entire
surface, reveals not the slightest sign of there being anything other than a
flat metal plate under it.

A knife inserted in every crack and slid back and forth, reveals no obvious
clips. Twisting produces no perceivable movement to reveal unseen anchor
points. I'm stumped !

Arfa


If it was a piece of test gear, I would guess you would remove the
handle and slide off the side panels to reveal the screws holding the
rest of it together.
JC

Arfa Daily wrote:
Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice simple (I
think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

35 years daily experience of finding hidden screws and clips and twisty
pressure points, but nearly an hour of probing and testing cracks and gaps
with knife blades, I'm still no nearer.

So does anyone actually know ? Not really looking for suggestions, as I've
probably tried them all anyway. Just if anyone knows for sure the trick of
it, please share ... !!

Arfa


Arfa..... years ago I saw a very similar looking radio by Braun. I
noticed that the pins in the handle rotated with the handle.
Pulled out on the handle at the pivot point.
Afer handle off, the guts slid out of the frame.

Regards
Lee

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Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice
simple (I think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

35 years daily experience of finding hidden screws and clips and
twisty pressure points, but nearly an hour of probing and testing
cracks and gaps with knife blades, I'm still no nearer.

So does anyone actually know ? Not really looking for suggestions, as
I've probably tried them all anyway. Just if anyone knows for sure
the trick of it, please share ... !!

Arfa



I've seen similar in that you have to remove the handle to release the
innards, I forget the make for the moment




I'd second this, have you tried removing the handle?



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Its on Youtube.......nice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLC9sE747xI

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Arfa Daily wrote in message
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Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice
simple (I think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

35 years daily experience of finding hidden screws and clips and
twisty pressure points, but nearly an hour of probing and testing
cracks and gaps with knife blades, I'm still no nearer.

So does anyone actually know ? Not really looking for suggestions, as
I've probably tried them all anyway. Just if anyone knows for sure
the trick of it, please share ... !!

Arfa




I've seen similar in that you have to remove the handle to release the
innards, I forget the make for the moment




I'd second this, have you tried removing the handle?

Yes, as I previously said ... :-) And yes, I'm familiar with the practice
of securing the innards via handle fixing screws, but as I explained
earlier, the handle fixings are damped rotating bosses, to which the handle
is screwed. These bosses appear to be a tight press fit or some such in the
wooden side panels. There is no visible method of releasing them, and the
very small amount of the outer non-rotating part which is proud of the wood
surface, is completely smooth.

Arfa



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news Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice
simple (I think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

35 years daily experience of finding hidden screws and clips and
twisty pressure points, but nearly an hour of probing and testing
cracks and gaps with knife blades, I'm still no nearer.

So does anyone actually know ? Not really looking for suggestions, as
I've probably tried them all anyway. Just if anyone knows for sure
the trick of it, please share ... !!

Arfa



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innards, I forget the make for the moment




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Its on Youtube.......nice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLC9sE747xI

Yes. I too found this. Shame it doesn't show you how to get it to bits ...

Arfa

"Lee" wrote in message
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Arfa Daily wrote:
Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice simple
(I think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

35 years daily experience of finding hidden screws and clips and twisty
pressure points, but nearly an hour of probing and testing cracks and
gaps with knife blades, I'm still no nearer.

So does anyone actually know ? Not really looking for suggestions, as
I've probably tried them all anyway. Just if anyone knows for sure the
trick of it, please share ... !!

Arfa
Arfa..... years ago I saw a very similar looking radio by Braun. I
noticed that the pins in the handle rotated with the handle.
Pulled out on the handle at the pivot point.
Afer handle off, the guts slid out of the frame.

Regards
Lee

Yes Lee. I too have seen all manner of similar arrangements. Unfortunately,
that doesn't seem to be the trick to this one. I really honestly have tried
everything that many many years of service work at the sharp end has taught
me about getting into stuff, but this one is a total mystery. I even took it
back to the shop that took in the repair, today, and let their two lads have
a go, but neither of them could get into it either. I'm sure if we ever find
out, it will be something really simple, but for the moment, simple or not,
it's all a bit Penn and Teller ... :-\

Arfa

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"N_Cook" wrote in
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Arfa Daily wrote in message
news Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice
simple (I think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

35 years daily experience of finding hidden screws and clips and
twisty pressure points, but nearly an hour of probing and testing
cracks and gaps with knife blades, I'm still no nearer.

So does anyone actually know ? Not really looking for suggestions, as
I've probably tried them all anyway. Just if anyone knows for sure
the trick of it, please share ... !!

Arfa




I've seen similar in that you have to remove the handle to release the
innards, I forget the make for the moment




I'd second this, have you tried removing the handle?

Yes, as I previously said ... :-) And yes, I'm familiar with the
practice
of securing the innards via handle fixing screws, but as I explained
earlier, the handle fixings are damped rotating bosses, to which the
handle
is screwed. These bosses appear to be a tight press fit or some such in
the
wooden side panels. There is no visible method of releasing them, and the
very small amount of the outer non-rotating part which is proud of the
wood
surface, is completely smooth.

Arfa



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Warming up and removing label with hot air ?
Thin steel blade, slid in any crack, to release internal catches like a lot
of computer stuff ?
After that its find a weak point/edge that can later be disguised. The only
time I did that, for some effects unit, I had told the owner beforehand and
he supplied me with a "Keep music live" sticker to go over the damage.


--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

I suspect Arfa's assumption that this unit was designed to snap together is
correct.

Is there a local dentist who'd be willing to take a few X-rays along the
edges? (A shame shoe stores no longer have X-ray machines!)

One other possibility... Is it possible the back is to be pushed inward and
pulled down?

Arfa Daily wrote:
"Lee" wrote in message
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Arfa Daily wrote:
Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice simple
(I think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

35 years daily experience of finding hidden screws and clips and twisty
pressure points, but nearly an hour of probing and testing cracks and
gaps with knife blades, I'm still no nearer.

So does anyone actually know ? Not really looking for suggestions, as
I've probably tried them all anyway. Just if anyone knows for sure the
trick of it, please share ... !!

Arfa
Arfa..... years ago I saw a very similar looking radio by Braun. I
noticed that the pins in the handle rotated with the handle.
Pulled out on the handle at the pivot point.
Afer handle off, the guts slid out of the frame.

Regards
Lee

Yes Lee. I too have seen all manner of similar arrangements. Unfortunately,
that doesn't seem to be the trick to this one. I really honestly have tried
everything that many many years of service work at the sharp end has taught
me about getting into stuff, but this one is a total mystery. I even took it
back to the shop that took in the repair, today, and let their two lads have
a go, but neither of them could get into it either. I'm sure if we ever find
out, it will be something really simple, but for the moment, simple or not,
it's all a bit Penn and Teller ... :-\

Arfa


Chain saw then you know next time

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
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Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice simple (I
think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

35 years daily experience of finding hidden screws and clips and twisty
pressure points, but nearly an hour of probing and testing cracks and gaps
with knife blades, I'm still no nearer.

So does anyone actually know ? Not really looking for suggestions, as I've
probably tried them all anyway. Just if anyone knows for sure the trick of
it, please share ... !!

Arfa


Try this method......

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zbs1GRAnVto

George.

"F Murtz" wrote in message
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Arfa Daily wrote:
"Lee" wrote in message
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Arfa Daily wrote:
Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice simple
(I think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

35 years daily experience of finding hidden screws and clips and twisty
pressure points, but nearly an hour of probing and testing cracks and
gaps with knife blades, I'm still no nearer.

So does anyone actually know ? Not really looking for suggestions, as
I've probably tried them all anyway. Just if anyone knows for sure the
trick of it, please share ... !!

Arfa
Arfa..... years ago I saw a very similar looking radio by Braun. I
noticed that the pins in the handle rotated with the handle.
Pulled out on the handle at the pivot point.
Afer handle off, the guts slid out of the frame.

Regards
Lee

Yes Lee. I too have seen all manner of similar arrangements.
Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the trick to this one. I really
honestly have tried everything that many many years of service work at
the sharp end has taught me about getting into stuff, but this one is a
total mystery. I even took it back to the shop that took in the repair,
today, and let their two lads have a go, but neither of them could get
into it either. I'm sure if we ever find out, it will be something really
simple, but for the moment, simple or not, it's all a bit Penn and Teller
... :-\

Arfa
Chain saw then you know next time

LOL !!

Arfa

"George Vest" wrote in message
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"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
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Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice simple
(I think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

35 years daily experience of finding hidden screws and clips and twisty
pressure points, but nearly an hour of probing and testing cracks and
gaps with knife blades, I'm still no nearer.

So does anyone actually know ? Not really looking for suggestions, as
I've probably tried them all anyway. Just if anyone knows for sure the
trick of it, please share ... !!

Arfa


Try this method......

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zbs1GRAnVto

George.


Yep ! That'd work. Perhaps I should refer the owner to that clip, and ask
him if it's ok to proceed in that manner ... d;~}

Arfa

Arfa Daily wrote:
"George Vest" wrote in message
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"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
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Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice simple
(I think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

35 years daily experience of finding hidden screws and clips and twisty
pressure points, but nearly an hour of probing and testing cracks and
gaps with knife blades, I'm still no nearer.

So does anyone actually know ? Not really looking for suggestions, as
I've probably tried them all anyway. Just if anyone knows for sure the
trick of it, please share ... !!

Arfa

Try this method......

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zbs1GRAnVto

George.


Yep ! That'd work. Perhaps I should refer the owner to that clip, and ask
him if it's ok to proceed in that manner ... d;~}

Arfa


Arfa..... have you sent an email to the manufacturer?

http://www.pure.com/

Regards
Lee

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
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The back panel is covered with a glued on leatherette type plastic. Running
a finger over its entire surface, reveals not the slightest sign of there
being anything other than a flat metal plate under it.

This is very common in cameras. Some of them have 'fillers' in the screw
holes over the screw heads to prevent 'dimples' from showing in the
leatherette.

In article ,
"Arfa Daily" wrote:

Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice simple (I
think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

35 years daily experience of finding hidden screws and clips and twisty
pressure points, but nearly an hour of probing and testing cracks and gaps
with knife blades, I'm still no nearer.

So does anyone actually know ? Not really looking for suggestions, as I've
probably tried them all anyway. Just if anyone knows for sure the trick of
it, please share ... !!

I've had success with hot air -- from a heat gun or even from a
high-powered hair drier. A lot of adhesives get a lot less "grabby" when
they're warm. If you use a real hot air gun, be careful you don't crispy
critter it, though.

Isaac

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"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
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The back panel is covered with a glued on leatherette type plastic.
Running
a finger over its entire surface, reveals not the slightest sign of there
being anything other than a flat metal plate under it.

This is very common in cameras. Some of them have 'fillers' in the screw
holes over the screw heads to prevent 'dimples' from showing in the
leatherette.



Agreed, I would run hot air over that leatherette until it will peel off.
Even if no screws found it gives a place for hacking in with hot blade, or
burr etc and then use the leatherette to cover over the damage after
patching up.


--
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electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

I know it sounds perverse... But has anyone considered that the unit simply
can't be opened? That the manufacturer intended it to be thrown away if
failed (within or without the warranty period)?

"Lee" wrote in message
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Arfa Daily wrote:
"George Vest" wrote in message
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"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
news Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice simple
(I think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

35 years daily experience of finding hidden screws and clips and twisty
pressure points, but nearly an hour of probing and testing cracks and
gaps with knife blades, I'm still no nearer.

So does anyone actually know ? Not really looking for suggestions, as
I've probably tried them all anyway. Just if anyone knows for sure the
trick of it, please share ... !!

Arfa

Try this method......

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zbs1GRAnVto

George.


Yep ! That'd work. Perhaps I should refer the owner to that clip, and ask
him if it's ok to proceed in that manner ... d;~}

Arfa
Arfa..... have you sent an email to the manufacturer?

http://www.pure.com/

Regards
Lee

Interesting. I didn't realise it was a Pure product. All of the searching I
did on "Genus" only seemed to turn up dead sites. When I also saw that
Amazon "did not know when they would have more" I assumed that this pointed
to a defunct company. There is no mention of Pure on the radio anywhere.
Just out of interest, where did you turn up this info. Thanks Lee.

Arfa

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Arfa Daily wrote:


Interesting. I didn't realise it was a Pure product. All of the searching
I
did on "Genus" only seemed to turn up dead sites. When I also saw that
Amazon "did not know when they would have more" I assumed that this
pointed
to a defunct company. There is no mention of Pure on the radio anywhere.
Just out of interest, where did you turn up this info. Thanks Lee.

Arfa




This is how to get into a flavour of Pure Evoke
Remove rear screws, internal front pair and remove the
silly plastic reflex tube.
Desolder the aerial wires, ground wire, speaker wires, mark
the connectors before removing.
Some screws hiding under flopped over electros and one under the daughter
board that has to be released to get to that one.


--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

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Arfa Daily wrote in message
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"Lee" wrote in message
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Arfa Daily wrote:


Interesting. I didn't realise it was a Pure product. All of the searching
I
did on "Genus" only seemed to turn up dead sites. When I also saw that
Amazon "did not know when they would have more" I assumed that this
pointed
to a defunct company. There is no mention of Pure on the radio anywhere.
Just out of interest, where did you turn up this info. Thanks Lee.

Arfa




This is how to get into a flavour of Pure Evoke
Remove rear screws, internal front pair and remove the
silly plastic reflex tube.
Desolder the aerial wires, ground wire, speaker wires, mark
the connectors before removing.
Some screws hiding under flopped over electros and one under the daughter
board that has to be released to get to that one.


--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/



I took a look on the Pure website, where all of their products are listed
and shown. Many DAB radios with which I am familiar, but not even a mention
of anything of theirs masquerading as "Genus". The word does not appear to
be mentioned anywhere on the site, nor if you follow the links back to the
semiconductor technology company which is responsible for creating the
"Pure" brand as a vehicle for showcasing their semiconductor technology. I
have used the search facility on each individual site in the suite, but the
word never appears anywhere. Likewise "Type R".

The plot thickens ... I'm not at this point convinced of its "Pure" pedigree
....

To be honest, I'm in business to make money, and I don't need time-wasting
nonsense like this. Unless I have a definitive answer from someone who
actually *knows* how to get it apart by perhaps Wednesday, then it will be
returned to its owner unrepaired, along with a bill for the workshop time
spent on it. Apparently, he said to the lad that was booking it in,
something along the lines of "Good luck with getting it apart, because I
could not see how you get into it ", so with that in mind, I feel justified
in not rinsing more valuable bench time, knowing that he's half expecting it
to not get repaired anyway. Shame as it's a straightforward problem that it
has, but times is 'ard, as they say, and my time is better spent on stuff
that's easily fixable.

Arfa

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"N_Cook" wrote in message
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Arfa Daily wrote in message
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"Lee" wrote in message
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Arfa Daily wrote:


Interesting. I didn't realise it was a Pure product. All of the searching
I
did on "Genus" only seemed to turn up dead sites. When I also saw that
Amazon "did not know when they would have more" I assumed that this
pointed
to a defunct company. There is no mention of Pure on the radio anywhere.
Just out of interest, where did you turn up this info. Thanks Lee.

Arfa




This is how to get into a flavour of Pure Evoke
Remove rear screws, internal front pair and remove the
silly plastic reflex tube.
Desolder the aerial wires, ground wire, speaker wires, mark
the connectors before removing.
Some screws hiding under flopped over electros and one under the daughter
board that has to be released to get to that one.


--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/



I took a look on the Pure website, where all of their products are listed
and shown. Many DAB radios with which I am familiar, but not even a mention
of anything of theirs masquerading as "Genus". The word does not appear to
be mentioned anywhere on the site, nor if you follow the links back to the
semiconductor technology company which is responsible for creating the
"Pure" brand as a vehicle for showcasing their semiconductor technology. I
have used the search facility on each individual site in the suite, but the
word never appears anywhere. Likewise "Type R".

The plot thickens ... I'm not at this point convinced of its "Pure" pedigree
...

To be honest, I'm in business to make money, and I don't need time-wasting
nonsense like this. Unless I have a definitive answer from someone who
actually *knows* how to get it apart by perhaps Wednesday, then it will be
returned to its owner unrepaired, along with a bill for the workshop time
spent on it. Apparently, he said to the lad that was booking it in,
something along the lines of "Good luck with getting it apart, because I
could not see how you get into it ", so with that in mind, I feel justified
in not rinsing more valuable bench time, knowing that he's half expecting it
to not get repaired anyway. Shame as it's a straightforward problem that it
has, but times is 'ard, as they say, and my time is better spent on stuff
that's easily fixable.

Arfa

Tell him to keep an eye on ebay, and when another broken unit comes up,
buy it and bring them both to you. Then you'll have a sacrificial unit.

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:30:28 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:
... then it will be
returned to its owner unrepaired, along with a bill for the workshop time
spent on it.

Nothing beats billing the customer when the repair person doesn't have
the skills to complete the repair...

On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 23:00:12 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:

The back panel is covered with
a glued on leatherette type plastic. Running a finger over its entire
surface, reveals not the slightest sign of there being anything other than a
flat metal plate under it.

Are you confident that you could detect countersunk screw heads with
small (#0) Phillips slots underneath that plastic covering if the heads
were fair flush with the face? If you're comfortable being able to
re-glue that back panel, it might be worth exploring what's underneath.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:19:26 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:


"Lee" wrote in message
...
Arfa Daily wrote:
Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice simple
(I think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

35 years daily experience of finding hidden screws and clips and twisty
pressure points, but nearly an hour of probing and testing cracks and
gaps with knife blades, I'm still no nearer.

So does anyone actually know ? Not really looking for suggestions, as
I've probably tried them all anyway. Just if anyone knows for sure the
trick of it, please share ... !!

Arfa
Arfa..... years ago I saw a very similar looking radio by Braun. I
noticed that the pins in the handle rotated with the handle.
Pulled out on the handle at the pivot point.
Afer handle off, the guts slid out of the frame.

Regards
Lee

Yes Lee. I too have seen all manner of similar arrangements. Unfortunately,
that doesn't seem to be the trick to this one. I really honestly have tried
everything that many many years of service work at the sharp end has taught
me about getting into stuff, but this one is a total mystery. I even took it
back to the shop that took in the repair, today, and let their two lads have
a go, but neither of them could get into it either. I'm sure if we ever find
out, it will be something really simple, but for the moment, simple or not,
it's all a bit Penn and Teller ... :-\

Arfa


Have you tried counter rotating the side panels?
--

Boris Mohar

"Rich Webb" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 23:00:12 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:

The back panel is covered with
a glued on leatherette type plastic. Running a finger over its entire
surface, reveals not the slightest sign of there being anything other than
a
flat metal plate under it.

Are you confident that you could detect countersunk screw heads with
small (#0) Phillips slots underneath that plastic covering if the heads
were fair flush with the face? If you're comfortable being able to
re-glue that back panel, it might be worth exploring what's underneath.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

Fairly, yes, but not totally confident. However, if you have got to start
arsing around removing a plastic cloth covering that is glued on, then as
far as I am concerned, it is not intended to be servicable in any
practical - that is profitable - way, and the owner can take it up with the
manufacturers, if he can track them down, that is ...

Arfa

"Boris Mohar" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:19:26 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:


"Lee" wrote in message
...
Arfa Daily wrote:
Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice simple
(I think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

35 years daily experience of finding hidden screws and clips and twisty
pressure points, but nearly an hour of probing and testing cracks and
gaps with knife blades, I'm still no nearer.

So does anyone actually know ? Not really looking for suggestions, as
I've probably tried them all anyway. Just if anyone knows for sure the
trick of it, please share ... !!

Arfa
Arfa..... years ago I saw a very similar looking radio by Braun. I
noticed that the pins in the handle rotated with the handle.
Pulled out on the handle at the pivot point.
Afer handle off, the guts slid out of the frame.

Regards
Lee

Yes Lee. I too have seen all manner of similar arrangements.
Unfortunately,
that doesn't seem to be the trick to this one. I really honestly have
tried
everything that many many years of service work at the sharp end has
taught
me about getting into stuff, but this one is a total mystery. I even took
it
back to the shop that took in the repair, today, and let their two lads
have
a go, but neither of them could get into it either. I'm sure if we ever
find
out, it will be something really simple, but for the moment, simple or
not,
it's all a bit Penn and Teller ... :-\

Arfa


Have you tried counter rotating the side panels?
--

Boris Mohar



Yes. Not the slightest feel of 'give' in any direction, that I could detect
by feel or sight.

Arfa

"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news
In article ,
"Arfa Daily" wrote:

"N_Cook" wrote in message
...
Arfa Daily wrote in message
...

"Lee" wrote in message
...
Arfa Daily wrote:


Interesting. I didn't realise it was a Pure product. All of the
searching
I
did on "Genus" only seemed to turn up dead sites. When I also saw that
Amazon "did not know when they would have more" I assumed that this
pointed
to a defunct company. There is no mention of Pure on the radio
anywhere.
Just out of interest, where did you turn up this info. Thanks Lee.

Arfa




This is how to get into a flavour of Pure Evoke
Remove rear screws, internal front pair and remove the
silly plastic reflex tube.
Desolder the aerial wires, ground wire, speaker wires, mark
the connectors before removing.
Some screws hiding under flopped over electros and one under the
daughter
board that has to be released to get to that one.


--
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I took a look on the Pure website, where all of their products are listed
and shown. Many DAB radios with which I am familiar, but not even a
mention
of anything of theirs masquerading as "Genus". The word does not appear
to
be mentioned anywhere on the site, nor if you follow the links back to
the
semiconductor technology company which is responsible for creating the
"Pure" brand as a vehicle for showcasing their semiconductor technology.
I
have used the search facility on each individual site in the suite, but
the
word never appears anywhere. Likewise "Type R".

The plot thickens ... I'm not at this point convinced of its "Pure"
pedigree
...

To be honest, I'm in business to make money, and I don't need
time-wasting
nonsense like this. Unless I have a definitive answer from someone who
actually *knows* how to get it apart by perhaps Wednesday, then it will
be
returned to its owner unrepaired, along with a bill for the workshop time
spent on it. Apparently, he said to the lad that was booking it in,
something along the lines of "Good luck with getting it apart, because I
could not see how you get into it ", so with that in mind, I feel
justified
in not rinsing more valuable bench time, knowing that he's half expecting
it
to not get repaired anyway. Shame as it's a straightforward problem that
it
has, but times is 'ard, as they say, and my time is better spent on stuff
that's easily fixable.

Arfa

Tell him to keep an eye on ebay, and when another broken unit comes up,
buy it and bring them both to you. Then you'll have a sacrificial unit.

Hi Smitty. Good to hear from you again. Happy new year.

Yes, good thought. If it goes back unrepaired, I will tell him to do this.

Arfa

"PeterD" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:30:28 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:
... then it will be
returned to its owner unrepaired, along with a bill for the workshop time
spent on it.

Nothing beats billing the customer when the repair person doesn't have
the skills to complete the repair...


Thank you friend. Most helpful. Clearly you have no concept of the
practicalities of running a repair business. If you have nothing
constructive to add, please refrain from bothering to comment.

Arfa

Thank you friend. Most helpful. Clearly you have no concept of the practicalities of running a repair business. If you have
nothing constructive to add, please refrain from bothering to comment.

Arfa

Hi Arfa. Been a while!

I do agree that the grandparent's comment was not phrased very nicely,
and I've always enjoyed our interactions on Usenet, but I have to say,
if someone tried that on me, and tried to bill me for providing (from my
point of view) no service, I'd leave the afflicted unit with them, and
walk off forever.

I understand that you expended time and effort attempting to fix it,
but from the customer's point of view, there's been zero benefit.
Why would they pay?

I'm NOT having a go at you; I hope you don't think I am. Is this a
situation that has occurred before with you? If so, what percentage
of the people paid up? I think maybe if you waived the charge,
at least they might come back in future, or at least speak kindly of
you to their acquaintances. Now it sounds like I'm trying to tell you
how to run your business! Sorry; of course I'm not.

Hope you're ok, anyway!


Martin
--
M.A.Poyser Tel.: 07967 110890
Manchester, U.K. http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=fleetie

On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:23:14 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:

Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice simple (I
think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

Dunno. Some of the stuff I fix arrives partially disassembled after
the customer has tried to repair it.

Pictures:
http://www.retrothing.com/2006/08/beautiful_genus.html
http://www.radio-now.co.uk/genus_type_r_dab_radio.htm
That is kinda nice looking and worth repairing.

What we do in the colonies when faced with a disassembly puzzle is
find the FCC ID number, and look at the inside photos on the FCC ID
web pile. Lots of clues as to where the screws, snaps, hooks, clips,
and glue are buried.

Lacking that, I have access to a fiber optic borescope (or something
like that), which allows me to look inside a box, if I can find a 3 mm
dia hole.

In this case, my guess(tm) is that the handle comes off, followed by
the wood side panels. Lacking external fasteners, I would think the
wood side panels were held in with blind harpoon fasteners fitted into
the aluminum extrusion top and front frame. As a general rule, the
cosmetic parts are attached last, which means the wood sides and back
are the likely entry method. It's also possible that the wood
cosmetic parts are attached with double sided tape or glue.

I don't think the manufactory will be much help as their domain
appears to be gone:
http://www.genusdigital.com

If all else fails, methinks finding a similar broken unit, and
performing some destructive disassembly may be the only way to see how
it's internally fastened.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

"Fleetie" wrote in message
news
Thank you friend. Most helpful. Clearly you have no concept of the
practicalities of running a repair business. If you have nothing
constructive to add, please refrain from bothering to comment.

Arfa

Hi Arfa. Been a while!

I do agree that the grandparent's comment was not phrased very nicely,
and I've always enjoyed our interactions on Usenet, but I have to say,
if someone tried that on me, and tried to bill me for providing (from my
point of view) no service, I'd leave the afflicted unit with them, and
walk off forever.

I understand that you expended time and effort attempting to fix it,
but from the customer's point of view, there's been zero benefit.
Why would they pay?

I'm NOT having a go at you; I hope you don't think I am. Is this a
situation that has occurred before with you? If so, what percentage
of the people paid up? I think maybe if you waived the charge,
at least they might come back in future, or at least speak kindly of
you to their acquaintances. Now it sounds like I'm trying to tell you
how to run your business! Sorry; of course I'm not.

Hope you're ok, anyway!


Martin
--
M.A.Poyser Tel.: 07967
110890
Manchester, U.K.
http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=fleetie



Hi Fleetie. No offence taken - from you at least ... ! Grandparent ?
Genuinely ?

What I did object to was that someone who knows nothing of me, my training,
my qualifications, my skill levels or my business, saw fit to make a
scathing comment on here about the way this job might ultimately get
handled.

It is very common in the domestic repair business, here in the UK at least,
for an advance deposit to be taken from the customer. If the repair goes
ahead, this amount is credited to the final bill. All of the shops that I
take work from, have this policy, and it is carefully explained to each and
every customer that books an item in, as well as being posted in written
form, behind the counter. I have been in these shops on many occasions when
items have been booked in, and I can't remember ever having heard anyone
object.

The thing is, there are many reasons these days, why repairs don't go ahead.
These include costs of spares which make a repair impractical - DVD lasers
for instance - lack of availability of parts, and the low cost of
replacement of the whole unit by something from the local supermarket or
Argos barn. Sometimes, even a lack of service information is enough to
prevent a practical repair.

So, on a bad week, maybe 20% of jobs might not be completed for one reason
or another. Should I just forfeit a day's earnings because of things out of
my control ? Customers even think that they are doing you a favour by
letting you keep their junk "for spares". I don't want endless pieces of
worthless rubbish stacking up in my workshop. If the repair doesn't go ahead
for whatever reason, either they take it back, or if they leave it with me,
it's going to be disposed of, which nowadays, costs money. You can't just
drop it off at the local tip for free any more, and the money is not going
to come out of my pocket, on top of getting nothing for the time that has
been spent evaluating the repair in the first place.

Of course, it is not a totally black and white situation. If a repair is not
completed because I believe that in some way, my ability to fix it is
lacking - and no matter who might tell you otherwise, it does sometimes
happen, and no matter how good you are at practical component level
fault-finding and repair, the odd one will never-the-less defeat you - then
I *will* waive my charge on it, and the shop that took it in will often
refund theirs as well. I and they, have not managed to continue in business
for 35 years, without understanding the principles of customer goodwill, but
by the same token, we also haven't managed to stay in business that long, by
being impractical in our billing regime.

So, where I have made every practical effort, including bench time,
telephone calls and internet time, to facilitate a fix on a piece of
equipment, but been defeated not by a lack of ability, but by the
manufacturer, due to their pricing or service assistance policies, or even
by them hiding away behind a name that doesn't seem to exist anywhere other
than on the front of their kit, as in this case, I will continue with my
current charging policy. My cable internet provider does not give me service
for free, neither does my phone company give me theirs. I don't give mine
for free either.

Just as a slight aside. A year or two back, I had a problem with my car. It
went into the garage four times, and each time it came back with a bill for
parts and labour, and each time, the problem persisted. I queried why I
should be expected to pay for parts that had been fitted, which had not
cured the problem. I was told that most faults on engines these days were
diagnosed by reference to the fault codes held in the EMU, and that once a
part that was pointed to in this way had been ordered and fitted, it could
not be taken back off again and returned, as the seal on the box had been
broken. I put it to them that if the diagnostics or the mechanic's
interpretation of them was wrong, then that wasn't my problem, and the part
should go on their shelf at their cost, for next time. I was told that it
was "just company policy mate", and was "in common with the way that most
garages work."

Now if I ordered a laser in for an item, and it didn't cure the fault, I
would see that as my fault as I had misdiagnosed the problem, and I would
put the owner's original back in. So there you have it. Am I doing anything
worse than them ? If anybody thinks so, then I actually don't really care.

And to Pete D. I'm sorry if my response to your comment offended but,
normally placid guy that I am, I do tend to get a bit spiky when someone who
knows nothing about me, calls my skills, integrity and business acumen, into
question. d;~}

Arfa

"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:23:14 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:

Genus Type R portable DAB radio. Nice elegant looking unit. Nice simple (I
think) problem, but how the F#@! does it come to bits ????

Dunno. Some of the stuff I fix arrives partially disassembled after
the customer has tried to repair it.

Pictures:
http://www.retrothing.com/2006/08/beautiful_genus.html
http://www.radio-now.co.uk/genus_type_r_dab_radio.htm
That is kinda nice looking and worth repairing.

What we do in the colonies when faced with a disassembly puzzle is
find the FCC ID number, and look at the inside photos on the FCC ID
web pile. Lots of clues as to where the screws, snaps, hooks, clips,
and glue are buried.

Lacking that, I have access to a fiber optic borescope (or something
like that), which allows me to look inside a box, if I can find a 3 mm
dia hole.

In this case, my guess(tm) is that the handle comes off, followed by
the wood side panels. Lacking external fasteners, I would think the
wood side panels were held in with blind harpoon fasteners fitted into
the aluminum extrusion top and front frame. As a general rule, the
cosmetic parts are attached last, which means the wood sides and back
are the likely entry method. It's also possible that the wood
cosmetic parts are attached with double sided tape or glue.

I don't think the manufactory will be much help as their domain
appears to be gone:
http://www.genusdigital.com

If all else fails, methinks finding a similar broken unit, and
performing some destructive disassembly may be the only way to see how
it's internally fastened.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

That is about where I have arrived at now Jeff. This week, I will spend a
little more time on it just for my own interest, but if it is not giving up
its secrets in fairly short order, then the job will get knocked on the head
once and for all.

Arfa

The issue is a question of what constitutes ethical treatment of the
customer.

Problems occur when the shop charges an hourly rate and runs into a problem
that doesn't quickly yield. I can fully understand -- and completely
sympathize with -- an experienced service tech who can't figure out how to
open a radio with no detectable closures, and a hard-to-find service manual,
even after an hour's work. * But I'm not going to pay an hour's labor for
the time it took to get it open, whether or not he successfully repaired the
radio.

I don't expect a service technician to be ominiscient. Neither do I expect
to pay for his training. When an item goes back repeatedly for the same
problem, the service shop should make some sort of accomodation. In the case
of the incompetent repair of your car, the shop should not have been charged
for labor after the second attempt. "Just company policy" or "that's the way
most garages work" are not valid excuses.

[Please don't take the following personally, because it isn't meant as such.
When I have a problem that isn't satisfactorially resolved, and get hit with
such a remark, I tell the company that I'm only interested in what I want,
and don't care the least about what they want, as businesses are not human
beings, and don't deserve any form of personal consideration. Of course, if
the business doesn't make a consistent profit, it will go out of business,
but what is right for the customer has to take precedence. Businesses have
to treat the customer as they would like to be treated, and find a way to do
it that is consistent with good fiscal practice.]

One of the most-popular Public Radio shows in the US is "Car Talk" with Tom
and Ray Magliazzi, MIT grads who run a service shop. They usually know what
they're talking about, but don't claim to know absolutely everything **
(though sometimes you think they do). Anyhow, last weekend a woman told
about how her brakes would gradually seize -- of their own accord! -- until
the car was undriveable. The shop made two or three attempts -- for which
she was charged parts and labor -- but could not fix the car. Tom & Ray
suggested that the problem was with the power-braking assist pump, which
will probably turn out to be correct. In this particular case, the shop
appears to have been grossly incompetent.

In the US, service shops -- of which there is a declining number -- usually
charge a flat fee (which varies among device types, depending on their
complexity and ease of servicing) to spread out the costs among the easy-
and hard-to-repair units. The customer knows ahead of time what the charge
will be, and can make a rational decision about the repair. As long as the
item is correctly repaired, the customer shouldn't have anything much to
complain about.

Perhaps you should consider switching to a flat-rate system, which would
largely eliminate the problem of deciding what to charge for a difficult
repair. You would probably make more money and have fewer unhappy customers.
And I'll bet you'll work more efficiently and with less mental frustration.

* I've had "simple" problems that I just couldn't figure out. One was a Sony
Walkman with a built-in mono speaker that would not switch to stereo when
headphones were plugged in. Despite having the official sercvice manual, two
hours of aggravating analysis, spread over several days, refused to unearth
the problem, and I tossed it.

** There's a show segment called "Stump the Chumps" (the reference is to
"Stump the Band"), in which someone they'd given advice to returns to reveal
whether it was correct. It usually was -- but not always.