Home |
Search |
Today's Posts |
|
Electronics Repair (sci.electronics.repair) Discussion of repairing electronic equipment. Topics include requests for assistance, where to obtain servicing information and parts, techniques for diagnosis and repair, and annecdotes about success, failures and problems. |
Reply |
|
LinkBack | Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope9.jpg
Made for ultra portability fits in an 8x11x 2.5 inch case when the thyratron and vibrator are removed from the chassis and stowed near the hinge. What war time use was there for such a small 'scope, with in-the-field 12V supply capability? War finish presumably means the off white enamel rather than black crackle finish. Plate on the brown casing lid Miniscope Miniature C/R oscilloscope Pattern No 58259 Stencilled labels on the case are R.L. 4 and No 1 Presumably somewhere would have info on the pattern number. Even using "-dr who" googling does not find anything on Miniscope or that pattern number, plenty on the 6K25 thyratron but nothing on 9 pin VR91, 10E/92 voltage regulator? or 9 pin CRT VCR 522, 10E/787, Design Inspected CRT 4 (shattered probably when the shoulder carrying strap broke and corner brace broke off and split occured in the "suitcase" ) no other valves, also Masteradio G650 12V vibrator, military trident symbol in a couple of places , after an A on the VR91 and before a Z on the CRT side panels missing, someone has crudely bodged in pot . http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope1.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope2.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope3.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope4.jpg specs etc on hinge-down, prop-up plate http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope5.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope7.jpg -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
#2
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
VR91 would seem a pentode http://www.radiomuseum.org/tubes/tube_vr91.html CRTm some info www.radiomuseum.org/tubes/tube_vcr522.html -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
#3
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
N_Cook wrote:
Made for ultra portability fits in an 8x11x 2.5 inch case Well that's certainly a clever bit of kit. Keep us posted if you find out anything about it. Jeff |
#4
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
What a neat piece of history! Never seen one before so can't add any info.
Pity about the broken CRT - is it replaceable? Also, I love the words "time base" on the label - takes me back to those days of yesteryear! BTW, the VR91/EF50 is an RF pentode - I once had an old TRF, one channel TV (Pye 19T) that used several of them in the RF strip. One of my first "serious" tube(valve) proejcts was to build an ITV converter from scrap WW2 parts to convert circa 180 MHz ITV to the circa 42.5 MHz (vision) and 41.5 MHz (sound) antenna input of the Pye 19T (I forget the actual frequencies.) Cheers, Roger "N_Cook" wrote in message ... VR91 would seem a pentode http://www.radiomuseum.org/tubes/tube_vr91.html CRTm some info www.radiomuseum.org/tubes/tube_vcr522.html -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
#5
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 16:10:05 -0000, "N_Cook" wrote:
VR91 would seem a pentode equivalent EF50 (often red coating) was used a lot in early TRF televisions. Bit of info on the 6K25 - probably used for a timebase:- http://www.domino405.co.uk/documents...V71_Series.pdf -- Geo |
#6
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
engineer wrote in message
... What a neat piece of history! Never seen one before so can't add any info. Pity about the broken CRT - is it replaceable? Also, I love the words "time base" on the label - takes me back to those days of yesteryear! BTW, the VR91/EF50 is an RF pentode - I once had an old TRF, one channel TV (Pye 19T) that used several of them in the RF strip. One of my first "serious" tube(valve) proejcts was to build an ITV converter from scrap WW2 parts to convert circa 180 MHz ITV to the circa 42.5 MHz (vision) and 41.5 MHz (sound) antenna input of the Pye 19T (I forget the actual frequencies.) Cheers, Roger "N_Cook" wrote in message ... VR91 would seem a pentode http://www.radiomuseum.org/tubes/tube_vr91.html CRTm some info www.radiomuseum.org/tubes/tube_vcr522.html -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ I picked it up at a "silent key" disposal at a carboot sale. Inheritors had no knowldege about it. The valves etc may not be what was originally in there of course. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
#7
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
Mike wrote in message
news I picked it up at a "silent key" disposal at a carboot sale. Inheritors had no knowldege about it. The valves etc may not be what was originally in there of course. Looks like a "Malvern" variant from this page: http://www.thevalvepage.com/testeq/scope.htm Thanks for that I've used or repaired nearly all those on bottom 3 rows and a few of the earlier http://www.thevalvepage.com/testeq/g.../miniscope.htm GEC one looks very similar externally, especially the prop plate The chassis dimensions are similar, this one 8 x 6.5 x 2.25 inches but valves and internals are look earlier. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
#8
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
"N_Cook" wrote in message ... http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope9.jpg Made for ultra portability fits in an 8x11x 2.5 inch case when the thyratron and vibrator are removed from the chassis and stowed near the hinge. What war time use was there for such a small 'scope, with in-the-field 12V supply capability? War finish presumably means the off white enamel rather than black crackle finish. Plate on the brown casing lid Miniscope Miniature C/R oscilloscope Pattern No 58259 Stencilled labels on the case are R.L. 4 and No 1 Presumably somewhere would have info on the pattern number. Even using "-dr who" googling does not find anything on Miniscope or that pattern number, plenty on the 6K25 thyratron but nothing on 9 pin VR91, 10E/92 voltage regulator? or 9 pin CRT VCR 522, 10E/787, Design Inspected CRT 4 (shattered probably when the shoulder carrying strap broke and corner brace broke off and split occured in the "suitcase" ) no other valves, also Masteradio G650 12V vibrator, military trident symbol in a couple of places , after an A on the VR91 and before a Z on the CRT side panels missing, someone has crudely bodged in pot . http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope1.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope2.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope3.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope4.jpg specs etc on hinge-down, prop-up plate http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope5.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope7.jpg VR91 / EF50 was used in many wartime radios and early radar units (PPI and pulse position). I owned a '1392 ex RAF vhf control tower receiver for many years, and that was full of them. Arfa |
#9
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
Arfa Daily wrote in message
... "N_Cook" wrote in message ... http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope9.jpg Made for ultra portability fits in an 8x11x 2.5 inch case when the thyratron and vibrator are removed from the chassis and stowed near the hinge. What war time use was there for such a small 'scope, with in-the-field 12V supply capability? War finish presumably means the off white enamel rather than black crackle finish. Plate on the brown casing lid Miniscope Miniature C/R oscilloscope Pattern No 58259 Stencilled labels on the case are R.L. 4 and No 1 Presumably somewhere would have info on the pattern number. Even using "-dr who" googling does not find anything on Miniscope or that pattern number, plenty on the 6K25 thyratron but nothing on 9 pin VR91, 10E/92 voltage regulator? or 9 pin CRT VCR 522, 10E/787, Design Inspected CRT 4 (shattered probably when the shoulder carrying strap broke and corner brace broke off and split occured in the "suitcase" ) no other valves, also Masteradio G650 12V vibrator, military trident symbol in a couple of places , after an A on the VR91 and before a Z on the CRT side panels missing, someone has crudely bodged in pot . http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope1.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope2.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope3.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope4.jpg specs etc on hinge-down, prop-up plate http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope5.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope7.jpg VR91 / EF50 was used in many wartime radios and early radar units (PPI and pulse position). I owned a '1392 ex RAF vhf control tower receiver for many years, and that was full of them. Arfa I downloaded the GEC schematic from http://www.thevalvepage.com/download...pe.pdf&dir=gec but substantially different, except 4V and 6.3V heaters agree with VCR 522 and VR91. Looks as though I'll have to get/derive the CRT VCR 722/ CV1522 or related E4103/B/4 / CV320 / CV967 / CV335 pinout and maybe de-topologize for the schematic. But I'd really like to find out what sort of use it was put to, most likely tech museum or forum to try ? Very large print , 1 inch high letters "R.L.4" = radio location unit 4 ? -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
#10
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
Of course a broken CRT makes it easy to determine pinning.
As broke unpowered the heater is still there, all 4 X,Y plates exposed and A3 so just leaves A2 and grid undetermined without destroying the envelope more. 155mm long, 1.5 in diam, and 7 out of 9 pins agrees with GEC 4103/B/4 with 1.1KV pda and 4V heater. And I have the pinning for the 6K25 and pentode. I may scan in the board edges, as is with added valve pin labels , and multi-photo before undoing and trying to unravel the schematic while trying to find out about its likely in service use. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
#11
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
On Jan 1, 4:08*pm, "N_Cook" wrote:
Of course a broken CRT makes it easy to determine pinning. As broke unpowered the heater is still there, all 4 X,Y plates exposed and A3 so just leaves A2 and grid undetermined without destroying the envelope more. 155mm long, 1.5 in diam, and 7 out of 9 pins agrees with GEC 4103/B/4 with 1.1KV pda and 4V heater. And I have the pinning for the 6K25 and pentode. I may scan in the board edges, as is with added valve pin labels , and multi-photo before undoing and trying to unravel the schematic while trying to find out about its likely in service use. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list onhttp://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ Would someone at the, if I remember from a visit to London 10 years ago, British War Museum be able to help you? |
#13
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
hr(bob) wrote in message
... On Jan 1, 4:08 pm, "N_Cook" wrote: Of course a broken CRT makes it easy to determine pinning. As broke unpowered the heater is still there, all 4 X,Y plates exposed and A3 so just leaves A2 and grid undetermined without destroying the envelope more. 155mm long, 1.5 in diam, and 7 out of 9 pins agrees with GEC 4103/B/4 with 1.1KV pda and 4V heater. And I have the pinning for the 6K25 and pentode. I may scan in the board edges, as is with added valve pin labels , and multi-photo before undoing and trying to unravel the schematic while trying to find out about its likely in service use. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list onhttp://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ Would someone at the, if I remember from a visit to London 10 years ago, British War Museum be able to help you? ***** GEC/Marconi archives site http://www.marconicalling.com/front.htm seems to be defunct I will try contacting http://www.theiet.org/about/libarc/index.cfm and am aware of a very active retired members branch around Portsmouth http://www.theiet.org/local/uk/south...rm-section.cfm who may be able to help as I seem to remember GEC had a site in Pompey -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
#14
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
I've put a page together on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra.../miniscope.htm with a pic of the case top with the "R.L.4" stencil and will add to when I've found out any more -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
#15
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
In article ,
"N_Cook" wrote: http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope9.jpg Made for ultra portability fits in an 8x11x 2.5 inch case when the thyratron and vibrator are removed from the chassis and stowed near the hinge. What war time use was there for such a small 'scope, with in-the-field 12V supply capability? War finish presumably means the off white enamel rather than black crackle finish. Plate on the brown casing lid Miniscope Miniature C/R oscilloscope Pattern No 58259 Stencilled labels on the case are R.L. 4 and No 1 Presumably somewhere would have info on the pattern number. I don't know if you found this page or not, but it may be of help. There's a claim to a service manual for (some model of) the GEC miniscope, among other details. I have no idea if it's the same basic design or not, but they do look at least related. http://www.thevalvepage.com/testeq/g.../miniscope.htm Presumably it's the civilian finish for the one on that page, what with fancier knobs and such. -- Andrew Erickson "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliot |
#16
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
CUTE, I want one!!! I sold my Jackson 1" 'scope a few years ago and regret
it. John H. |
#17
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
On Jan 1, 4:22*pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
"N_Cook" wrote in message ... http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope9.jpg Made for ultra portability fits in an 8x11x 2.5 inch case when the thyratron and vibrator are removed from the chassis and stowed near the hinge. What war time use was there for such a small 'scope, with in-the-field 12V supply capability? War finish presumably means the off white enamel rather than black crackle finish. Plate on the brown casing lid Miniscope Miniature C/R oscilloscope Pattern No 58259 Stencilled labels on the case are R.L. 4 and No 1 Presumably somewhere would have info on the pattern number. Even using "-dr who" googling does not find anything on Miniscope or that pattern number, plenty on the 6K25 thyratron but nothing on 9 pin VR91, 10E/92 voltage regulator? or 9 pin CRT VCR 522, 10E/787, Design Inspected CRT 4 (shattered probably when the shoulder carrying strap broke and corner brace broke off and split occured in the "suitcase" ) no other valves, also Masteradio G650 12V vibrator, military trident symbol in a couple of places , after an A on the VR91 and before a Z on the CRT side panels missing, someone has crudely bodged in pot . http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope1.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope2.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope3.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope4.jpg specs etc on hinge-down, prop-up plate http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope5.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope7.jpg VR91 / EF50 was used in many wartime radios and early radar units (PPI and pulse position). I owned a '1392 ex RAF vhf control tower receiver for many years, and that was full of them. Arfa- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - VR91/EF50 High gain pentode. Many of them were painted red. Some were manufactured in the USA for Britain (I have one marked Sylvania'). They have a special 9 pin base. AIUI tube was based on a Dutch Philips design. Had always assumed they were a non-variable mu RF or IF pentode, which were also used in some early mid-war aircraft radar receiver plug-in units labelled RF24 through RF27 available on the surplus market after WWII. But in a discussion some years ago on a group such as this, one poster found the characteristics and pointed out that the tube did not have a sharp control grid cut-off. Cheers for 2009 |
#18
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
Mike wrote in message
... On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:25:35 -0000, "N_Cook" wrote: I've put a page together on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra.../miniscope.htm with a pic of the case top with the "R.L.4" stencil and will add to when I've found out any more Assuming that it's military, I think the "R" would stand for Radio. The "L" would stand for Laboratory (test & calibration). http://www.hypertools.com/nomenclature.html I have to disagree. No laboratory equipment would be made deliberately too small, requiring the removal of parts before placing in a protective housing. This was made to be ultra-portable, the smallest possible carrying case for discretion, airbourne use, or covert reason, I would suggest. Routine military equiptment is not made for the effete to carry around. Come to think of it wartime airbourne radios etc were not made deliberately light or compact. Drawing out the preliminary circuit topology is half complete, i will place on the page http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra.../miniscope.htm when nearer complete, before unravelling for the intermediary schematic. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
#19
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
Solomon K. wrote in message
... On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:07:57 -0500, "HagstAr" wrote: CUTE, I want one!!! I sold my Jackson 1" 'scope a few years ago and regret it. John H. You can bid on one now. Starting at £49.99 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GEC-Miniscope-...temZ1603075191 37QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090101?IMSfp=TL0901011120 02r15921 "Condition unknown, NOT been powered up" very wise Anyone know of an E4103/B/4 or compatible CRT around the UK ? I quite often see similar at radio rallies. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
#20
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
Solomon K. wrote in message
... On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:07:57 -0500, "HagstAr" wrote: CUTE, I want one!!! I sold my Jackson 1" 'scope a few years ago and regret it. John H. You can bid on one now. Starting at £49.99 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GEC-Miniscope-...temZ1603075191 37QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090101?IMSfp=TL0901011120 02r15921 "Condition unknown, NOT been powered up" very wise Anyone know of an E4103/B/4 or compatible CRT around the UK ? I quite often see similar at radio rallies. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
#21
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
On Jan 3, 9:02*am, "N_Cook" wrote:
I have to disagree. No laboratory equipment would be made deliberately too small, requiring the removal of parts before placing in a protective housing. This was made to be ultra-portable, the smallest possible carrying case for discretion, airbourne use, or covert reason, I would suggest. Routine military equiptment is not made for the effete to carry around. Come to think of it wartime airbourne radios etc were not made deliberately light or compact. Drawing out the preliminary circuit topology is half complete, i will place on the pagehttp://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/miniscope.htm when nearer complete, before unravelling for the intermediary schematic. I agree with you Nigel. The fact it runs on 12VDC [the GEC Miniscope does not] would indicate it was for mobile or field use where where 'mains' power was unavailable. I was thinking the RL might be 'radio location' where it could be used for timing compaison or phasing check as ground mobile. The transit case and the external vibrator smack of a 'modified' unit for temporary applications. I get the impression that the GEC uses a horizontal multivibator so the thyratron may also be a mod for some special requirement. Since it looks to be able to operate from mains and aircraft power as well, the application was likely broadly used. Also could be for adjusting or troubleshooting high speed data circuits [teletype]. Neil S. |
#22
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
nesesu wrote in message
... On Jan 3, 9:02 am, "N_Cook" wrote: I have to disagree. No laboratory equipment would be made deliberately too small, requiring the removal of parts before placing in a protective housing. This was made to be ultra-portable, the smallest possible carrying case for discretion, airbourne use, or covert reason, I would suggest. Routine military equiptment is not made for the effete to carry around. Come to think of it wartime airbourne radios etc were not made deliberately light or compact. Drawing out the preliminary circuit topology is half complete, i will place on the pagehttp://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/miniscope.htm when nearer complete, before unravelling for the intermediary schematic. I agree with you Nigel. The fact it runs on 12VDC [the GEC Miniscope does not] would indicate it was for mobile or field use where where 'mains' power was unavailable. I was thinking the RL might be 'radio location' where it could be used for timing compaison or phasing check as ground mobile. The transit case and the external vibrator smack of a 'modified' unit for temporary applications. I get the impression that the GEC uses a horizontal multivibator so the thyratron may also be a mod for some special requirement. Since it looks to be able to operate from mains and aircraft power as well, the application was likely broadly used. Also could be for adjusting or troubleshooting high speed data circuits [teletype]. Neil S. ****** There was no original probes just some home-brew croc-lead things from the 60s or 70s , of much the same date as the bodged pot. I will test the 6K25 and the VR91 as EF50 settings, heaters are ok -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
#23
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
An email response from the guy at the valvepage site
Yes that GEC is internally quite different to mine, and the use of bigger valves suggests an earlier design. The catch on that case looks very un-military-like as it and the case look so fragile. Maybe the crt broke when the chap in the aircraft got fed up and threw the darn thing out of the aircraft - the shaped controls on mine are still fiddly, yet the controls on the front of yours would I think be impossible to use with gloves on ! Also, where on earth do the valves go ? There doesn't seem to be any space, and I also can't spot any ht rectifier. I've seen quite a few of the GEC scopes like mine but not encountered any like yours before so I can't really add any information. Perhaps you could let me know if you find out more. Also, could I scrounge a couple of pics for my website ? Just a small pic of the front and one of the side, just enough so if a visitor sees my page they'll think "that looks just like mine" and they can then follow a link to your page. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
#24
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
"Solomon K." wrote in message ... You can bid on one now. Starting at £49.99 AH, but I'm in Vermont, USA. No shipping offered to here, and shipping is quite pricey anyway. Thanks though! John H. |
#25
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
I found 2 unlabelled black painted glass Si diodes of the 70s , not original
for the added reason that 2 solder points were to wires and not tag board tags. Se rectifiers been around since earlier than 1933 but where was there space for any. Even if the vibrator was originally synchronous type , would it be possible to use such a vibrator to rectifierless feed mains in , via the transformer to such a vibrator, to allow 12V and 180/230V ac use? The mains cable seems to go to the output side of the vibrator, with no mechanical interlock to lockout other than someone remembering to unplug the vibrastor, or does it matter ?. For the 4 pin vibrator, that came with it, gum on Masteradio label is bad and original un-re-badged label under is Mallory G650 Indianapolis Ind Made in USA Anyone have specs for the G650 ? or even whether synchronous types could be in only 4 pin format -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
#26
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:35:57 -0000, "N_Cook" wrote:
Mallory G650 The only reference I found was a google cached page which include this info on a PSU:- "The Power Supply Unit is running from a 6 V car battery using a Vibrator or from the mains at 110, 150 or 220 Vca 50 Hz. The Vibrator is of the "nonsycronous" 4 pins type (B MKII or Mallory 650) The mains voltage value can be changed by a switching system on the front. A valve 6X5G is used like rectifier. When the set is to be used on the mains, the vibrator must be removed to prevent burning up. " -- Geo |
#27
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
Geo wrote in message
... On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:35:57 -0000, "N_Cook" wrote: Mallory G650 The only reference I found was a google cached page which include this info on a PSU:- "The Power Supply Unit is running from a 6 V car battery using a Vibrator or from the mains at 110, 150 or 220 Vca 50 Hz. The Vibrator is of the "nonsycronous" 4 pins type (B MKII or Mallory 650) The mains voltage value can be changed by a switching system on the front. A valve 6X5G is used like rectifier. When the set is to be used on the mains, the vibrator must be removed to prevent burning up. " -- Geo What i suspected. I happened to have rebuilt the contacts of a synchronous one last year and that was 7 pins. At the moment I'm bogged down with confusing cap colour codes. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
#28
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
On Jan 4, 8:01*am, "N_Cook" wrote:
Geo wrote in message ... On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:35:57 -0000, "N_Cook" wrote: Mallory G650 The only reference I found was a google cached page which include this info on a PSU:- "The Power Supply Unit is running from a 6 V car battery using a Vibrator or from the mains at 110, 150 or 220 Vca 50 Hz. The Vibrator is of the "nonsycronous" 4 pins type (B MKII or Mallory 650) The mains voltage value can be changed by a switching system on the front. |
#29
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
This is the preliminary node map for the scope
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra..._node_map2.jpg Scanner does not like full A4 useage. Letters E, K and C along the top 2 tag boards running vertical, numbered from bottom S (16) and R (16) then P (11) and Q (11), colours match major component pinning numbers to node numbers. ground lines not added and some components around the front panel pots, switches and 2 3.5 mm i/p sockets (feintly marked as worn off , maybe read INVERT and GAIN not readable on the earlier pics) not transcribed. Some unplaced loose wires and 2 caps covered in laquered cloth so left in place as unknown values and puffy cap values are assumed , ignoring the green and yellow "multiplier" dots that are probably temp or tolerance values. polarised caps marked with a - . QQ is unkown function as knob missing and other Q pot functions as letters on the knobs, as found. There are bound to be still more errors, I've just noticed the 22K resistor apparently going to doubley N/C K6, maybe used as a tag. M & VIB wiring and power select shorting plug arrangement is probably much like the valvepage schematic including the vib, for the later miniscope. Power cable wiring Y,R,B is the same in both cases Next intermediary schematic is placing the valves etc into the optimum coloured nodes and un-knotting to a certain extent. Nothing powered up so far, a few volts from variac may resolve a few problems, and valves not tested yet. Primary of M is probably ok , selecting 230V is 129 ohm and 180V is 75 ohm The socket for the vib is badly fixed , one bolt is skew as it interferes with something else on the chassis. So maybe not original vib type but I don't see how a synchronous type could have made it Si diode rectifierless. What were the smallest Se rectifiers available in the 1940s for this sort of application ? page devoted to this project http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra.../miniscope.htm -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
#30
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
Anyone care to decode the knob legends
Vc,Vf,F,C,A,S Vc was on the 6 way timebase switch, I am assuming it was moved from the least used or easiest to turn without a knob Gueses S for Sync, A for attenuation, F for Fine, C for Coarse , Vf for focus but Vc ? -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
#31
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:47:55 -0000, "N_Cook" wrote:
Anyone care to decode the knob legends Vc,Vf,F,C,A,S Vc was on the 6 way timebase switch, I am assuming it was moved from the least used or easiest to turn without a knob Gueses S for Sync, A for attenuation, F for Fine, C for Coarse , Vf for focus but Vc ? Vc is cathode voltage - probably the brilliance control Agree Vf for focus. F could be (timebase) Frequency? -- Geo |
#32
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
I have a CV320 tube that has a pale green screen and might possibly work
as a replacement for your tube. I have not checked the filament for continuity, but the tube 'looks' fine... John :-#)# Vancouver, Canada. N_Cook wrote: http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope9.jpg Made for ultra portability fits in an 8x11x 2.5 inch case when the thyratron and vibrator are removed from the chassis and stowed near the hinge. What war time use was there for such a small 'scope, with in-the-field 12V supply capability? War finish presumably means the off white enamel rather than black crackle finish. Plate on the brown casing lid Miniscope Miniature C/R oscilloscope Pattern No 58259 Stencilled labels on the case are R.L. 4 and No 1 Presumably somewhere would have info on the pattern number. Even using "-dr who" googling does not find anything on Miniscope or that pattern number, plenty on the 6K25 thyratron but nothing on 9 pin VR91, 10E/92 voltage regulator? or 9 pin CRT VCR 522, 10E/787, Design Inspected CRT 4 (shattered probably when the shoulder carrying strap broke and corner brace broke off and split occured in the "suitcase" ) no other valves, also Masteradio G650 12V vibrator, military trident symbol in a couple of places , after an A on the VR91 and before a Z on the CRT side panels missing, someone has crudely bodged in pot . http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope1.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope2.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope3.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope4.jpg specs etc on hinge-down, prop-up plate http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope5.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope7.jpg -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ -- (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the newsgroup) John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." |
#33
Posted to rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.misc,sci.electronics.repair
|
|||
|
|||
Wartime Minicsope oscilloscope , any info/sources ?
John Robertson wrote in message
news:fpacl.5304$Db2.2903@edtnps83... I have a CV320 tube that has a pale green screen and might possibly work as a replacement for your tube. I have not checked the filament for continuity, but the tube 'looks' fine... John :-#)# Vancouver, Canada. N_Cook wrote: http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope9.jpg Made for ultra portability fits in an 8x11x 2.5 inch case when the thyratron and vibrator are removed from the chassis and stowed near the hinge. What war time use was there for such a small 'scope, with in-the-field 12V supply capability? War finish presumably means the off white enamel rather than black crackle finish. Plate on the brown casing lid Miniscope Miniature C/R oscilloscope Pattern No 58259 Stencilled labels on the case are R.L. 4 and No 1 Presumably somewhere would have info on the pattern number. Even using "-dr who" googling does not find anything on Miniscope or that pattern number, plenty on the 6K25 thyratron but nothing on 9 pin VR91, 10E/92 voltage regulator? or 9 pin CRT VCR 522, 10E/787, Design Inspected CRT 4 (shattered probably when the shoulder carrying strap broke and corner brace broke off and split occured in the "suitcase" ) no other valves, also Masteradio G650 12V vibrator, military trident symbol in a couple of places , after an A on the VR91 and before a Z on the CRT side panels missing, someone has crudely bodged in pot . http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope1.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope2.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope3.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope4.jpg specs etc on hinge-down, prop-up plate http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope5.jpg http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:gra...miniscope7.jpg -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ -- (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the newsgroup) John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." I would be interested, different pinning, no problem, otherwise much the same specs http://www.r-type.org/exhib/aaa0831.htm is your valid email address really spam and then the things sharks and pinball m/cs have .com -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
Reply |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Forum | |||
Info on 4" double squares, sources for Starrett, etc. | Woodworking | |||
Good sources of info for "low-energy" building and maintenance work? | UK diy | |||
Eveready W-353 Battery Any info or sources available? | Electronics Repair | |||
Sources of info to retrieve data off failing (failed) hard drives. | Electronics Repair |