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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:24:05 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:16:06 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

I don't get how you manage to overheat something with a quarter of the heat input, no.


You really are dense, aren't you? The CFL isn't rated to operate
anywhere near the temperature an incandescent lamp produces. It isn't
glass metal & high temperature cement. Some parts aren't even rated to
stand boiling water. Some fixtures hold in more heat than others. They
are designed to handle the extra heat. Put a wimpy CFL inside that
fixture and it will die a quick death. Sometimes with a free lightshow
& fireworks.


I've got a CFL (100watt equivalent) in a completely enclosed glass fitting in the bathroom. It has lasted just fine.

I don't think I'd want a fitting that could hold the heat enough to make a CFL get to 100C. That would mean an incandescent would get a lot hotter than that! What of the surrounding stuff, like the ceiling?



You really are dense, aren't you? The fixtures ARE DESIGNED FOR THE
HIGHER OPERATING TEMPERATURE.


Yes, and so was Chernobyl. I prefer not to have things that hot inside my house.

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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:24:39 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:16:55 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

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I have an honours degree.


Basket weaving doesn't count.

Physics and Digital Microelectronics.


Is it too late to get a refund?


In my day we were paid to get degrees. Then the governent ****ed the education system.



No. it was when they paid you.


Your humour is deteriorating.

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"That's the talking clock", the man replied, with a grin. "Let me show you how it works!" And with that, he gave the gong an ear-shattering pound with the hammer.
Suddenly someone screamed from the other side of the wall, "KNOCK IT OFF, YOU ARSEHOLES! IT'S 2 AM!"
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:25:46 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:18:01 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


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That sentence just proves how childish you are.


Make up your mind. That is, if there is enough of it left.


I have never said you weren't childish.



Is that the best you can do, with your TWO HONORS DEGREES? What a
ripoff!


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"That's the talking clock", the man replied, with a grin. "Let me show you how it works!" And with that, he gave the gong an ear-shattering pound with the hammer.
Suddenly someone screamed from the other side of the wall, "KNOCK IT OFF, YOU ARSEHOLES! IT'S 2 AM!"
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:28:01 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:19:17 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


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If the birds are so smart, why do they stay with him?

Because I look after them better than most "pet owners".


Really? Have you met most pet owners? Or are you just lying, as
usual?


I've met loads, ones I've sold parrots to or bought parrots from.

I don't keep them in cages. 99% of people do. And yes there is a lot of claning up to do.



So a sample so small as to be meaningless.


It's big enough.

Too bad you didn't study
statistics. Some pets like cages.


Parrots do not. They are supposed to FLY.

They feel secure, in their own space.


As do prisoners?

I suppose you are against fenced in yards & dog houses, too.


And I suppose you condone battery farms.

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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:33:19 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:07:54 -0000, GregS wrote:

In article , "Peter Hucker" wrote:

They use so little power though. Anyway the main source of heat in any
lighting is from the light source itself, not the wires supplying it. I've
never felt any LEDs getting warmer than body temperature.


I got an LED array that uses 45 watts. See if you can hold that.


What size is it? If it's too hot to hold I doubt the LEDs will last long.



You really are dense, aren't you? Some LED arrays are built on an
aluminum heatsink.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GGLD&q=high+power+LED+array+alumi num


If it's too hot for me to hold, the LEDs will also be too hot. If the heatsink is working, then it won't be too hot for my hand or the LEDs.

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Little Johnny answered, "I'm too smart for the first-grade. My sister is in the third-grade and I'm smarter than she is! I think I should be in the third-grade too!"

The teacher had enough. She took Little Johnny to the principal's office. While Little Johnny waited in the outer office, the teacher explained to the principal what the situation was. The principal told the teacher he would give the boy a test and if he failed to answer any of his questions he was to go back to the first-grade and behave. The teacher agreed. Little Johnny was brought in and the conditions were explained to him and he agreed to take the test.

Principal: "What is 3 x 3?"
Little Johnny: "9"

Principal: "What is 6 x 6?"
Little Johnny: "36"

And so it went with every question the principal thought a third-grade should know. The principal looks at the teacher and tells her, "I think Little Johnny can go to the third-grade."
The teacher says to the principal, "Let me ask him some questions?" The principal and Little Johnny both agree.

Teacher: "What does a cow have four of that I have only two of?
Little Johnny: "Legs"

Teacher: "What is in your pants that you have but I do not have?" (The principal wondered, why does she ask such a question!)
Little Johnny: "Pockets"

Teacher: "What does a dog do that a man steps into?"
Little Johnny: "Pants"

Teacher: What's starts with a C and ends with a T, is hairy, oval, delicious and contains thin whitish liquid?"
(The principal's eyes open really wide and before he could stop the answer...)
Little Johnny: "Coconut"

Teacher: "What goes in hard and pink then comes out soft and sticky?"
Little Johnny: "Bubblegum"

Teacher: "What does a man do standing up, a woman do sitting down and a dog do on three legs?" (The principal's eyes open really wide and before he could stop the answer...)
Little Johnny: "Shake hands"

Teacher: "Now I will ask some '"Who am I" sort of questions, okay?"
Little Johnny: "Yup"

Teacher: "You blow me, you feel good"
Little Johnny: "Nose"

Teacher: "I have a stiff shaft. My tip penetrates. I come with a quiver"
Little Johnny: "Arrow"

Teacher: "What word starts with an 'F' and ends in 'K' that means a lot of excitement?"
Little Johnny: "Firetruck"

The principal breathed a sigh of relief and told the teacher, "Put his ass in the fifth-grade, I got the last ten questions wrong myself!"


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:20:34 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

They use so little power though. Anyway the main source of heat in any lighting is from the light source itself, not the wires supplying it. I've never felt any LEDs getting warmer than body temperature.


Truly amazing! Your ignorance is something to behold.


Are my LEDs magical then? Because they certainly are not warmer than I am.



No, just substandard.


They are about as efficient as they get.

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With that, all the women stood up and headed for the door.
"Wait ladies!" cried the professor. "The boat doesn't leave until tomorrow!"
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ian field wrote:

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ian field wrote:
PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled
together
12V
lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries,
he
most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable
enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground from his shoddy
work.

He has a number of parrots loose in the house - it wouldn't be
fair
on
them!


So, everything there is a birdbrain?

Silly term "birdbrain" - most birds are more intelligent than a lot
of
people.


You must come from a large family then.


If the birds are so smart, why do they stay with him?


Birds of a feather flock together.



They took pity on him, and are trying to take care of him.


Then why is it I'm the one who has to operate the vacuum cleaner?


We don't want to know about your perversions!


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:16:06 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

I don't get how you manage to overheat something with a quarter of the heat input, no.


You really are dense, aren't you? The CFL isn't rated to operate
anywhere near the temperature an incandescent lamp produces. It isn't
glass metal & high temperature cement. Some parts aren't even rated to
stand boiling water. Some fixtures hold in more heat than others. They
are designed to handle the extra heat. Put a wimpy CFL inside that
fixture and it will die a quick death. Sometimes with a free lightshow
& fireworks.

I've got a CFL (100watt equivalent) in a completely enclosed glass fitting in the bathroom. It has lasted just fine.

I don't think I'd want a fitting that could hold the heat enough to make a CFL get to 100C. That would mean an incandescent would get a lot hotter than that! What of the surrounding stuff, like the ceiling?



You really are dense, aren't you? The fixtures ARE DESIGNED FOR THE
HIGHER OPERATING TEMPERATURE.


Yes, and so was Chernobyl. I prefer not to have things that hot inside my house.



Well, we don't have to worry about any of your bright ideas setting
the world on fire. For someone who claims to have a honors degree in
Physuics, you don't know anything. Do you ever cook anything, or do you
live on birdseed?


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Your humour is deteriorating.



You said that I have no sense of humor. How can it be deteriorating?
You haven't read any of my comedy Sci-Fi writing, so what do you know?


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Then why is it I'm the one who has to operate the vacuum cleaner?



Because they are a lot smarter than you, and can easily con you into
doing the maid's work.


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:19:17 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:04:30 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

If the birds are so smart, why do they stay with him?

Because I look after them better than most "pet owners".


Really? Have you met most pet owners? Or are you just lying, as
usual?

I've met loads, ones I've sold parrots to or bought parrots from.

I don't keep them in cages. 99% of people do. And yes there is a lot of claning up to do.



So a sample so small as to be meaningless.


It's big enough.

Too bad you didn't study
statistics. Some pets like cages.


Parrots do not. They are supposed to FLY.



Then why do you keep them in your house? hey should be free to fly
anywhere they want to. You just keep them in a bigger cage.


They feel secure, in their own space.


As do prisoners?



I don't want to know about your time in prison, or your prison
'freinds'.


I suppose you are against fenced in yards & dog houses, too.


And I suppose you condone battery farms.



WTF is a battery farm? Do you start with AAAA cells, then feed &
water them till they are full grown D cells?


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:07:54 -0000, GregS wrote:

In article , "Peter Hucker" wrote:

They use so little power though. Anyway the main source of heat in any
lighting is from the light source itself, not the wires supplying it. I've
never felt any LEDs getting warmer than body temperature.


I got an LED array that uses 45 watts. See if you can hold that.

What size is it? If it's too hot to hold I doubt the LEDs will last long.



You really are dense, aren't you? Some LED arrays are built on an
aluminum heatsink.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GGLD&q=high+power+LED+array+alumi num


If it's too hot for me to hold, the LEDs will also be too hot. If the heatsink is working, then it won't be too hot for my hand or the LEDs.



Sure its ok. What's that smell? Someone is cooking bacon!


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:20:34 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

They use so little power though. Anyway the main source of heat in any lighting is from the light source itself, not the wires supplying it. I've never felt any LEDs getting warmer than body temperature.


Truly amazing! Your ignorance is something to behold.

Are my LEDs magical then? Because they certainly are not warmer than I am.



No, just substandard.


They are about as efficient as they get.



Too bad we can't say the same about you.


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:16:06 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

I don't get how you manage to overheat something with a quarter of
the heat input, no.


You really are dense, aren't you? The CFL isn't rated to operate
anywhere near the temperature an incandescent lamp produces. It
isn't
glass metal & high temperature cement. Some parts aren't even rated
to
stand boiling water. Some fixtures hold in more heat than others.
They
are designed to handle the extra heat. Put a wimpy CFL inside that
fixture and it will die a quick death. Sometimes with a free
lightshow
& fireworks.

I've got a CFL (100watt equivalent) in a completely enclosed glass
fitting in the bathroom. It has lasted just fine.

I don't think I'd want a fitting that could hold the heat enough to
make a CFL get to 100C. That would mean an incandescent would get a
lot hotter than that! What of the surrounding stuff, like the
ceiling?


You really are dense, aren't you? The fixtures ARE DESIGNED FOR THE
HIGHER OPERATING TEMPERATURE.


Yes, and so was Chernobyl. I prefer not to have things that hot inside
my house.



Well, we don't have to worry about any of your bright ideas setting
the world on fire. For someone who claims to have a honors degree in
Physuics, you don't know anything. Do you ever cook anything, or do you
live on birdseed?


He microwaves a readymeal.


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Your humour is deteriorating.



You said that I have no sense of humor. How can it be deteriorating?
You haven't read any of my comedy Sci-Fi writing, so what do you know?


From what I've seen PHucker has an opinion about everything and knowledge of
nothing.




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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:24:05 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:16:06 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

I don't get how you manage to overheat something with a quarter of the heat input, no.


You really are dense, aren't you? The CFL isn't rated to operate
anywhere near the temperature an incandescent lamp produces. It isn't
glass metal & high temperature cement. Some parts aren't even rated to
stand boiling water. Some fixtures hold in more heat than others. They
are designed to handle the extra heat. Put a wimpy CFL inside that
fixture and it will die a quick death. Sometimes with a free lightshow
& fireworks.

I've got a CFL (100watt equivalent) in a completely enclosed glass fitting in the bathroom. It has lasted just fine.

I don't think I'd want a fitting that could hold the heat enough to make a CFL get to 100C. That would mean an incandescent would get a lot hotter than that! What of the surrounding stuff, like the ceiling?


You really are dense, aren't you? The fixtures ARE DESIGNED FOR THE
HIGHER OPERATING TEMPERATURE.


Yes, and so was Chernobyl. I prefer not to have things that hot inside my house.



Well, we don't have to worry about any of your bright ideas setting
the world on fire. For someone who claims to have a honors degree in
Physuics, you don't know anything. Do you ever cook anything, or do you
live on birdseed?


An oven is not mounted on the ceiling. An oven does not have plastic parts (in the actual light socket) that can become brittle with age and heat.


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Your humour is deteriorating.


You said that I have no sense of humor. How can it be deteriorating?


You don't accept anyone else's humour, but you attempt to create your own. It's getting worse.

You haven't read any of my comedy Sci-Fi writing, so what do you know?


I was of course only referring to your activities within the group.

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He is rather taken aback that such a looker would be waving to him, and although familiar he can't place where he might know her from, so he says "Sorry, do you know me?"
She replies "I maybe mistaken, but I thought you might be the father of one of my children!"
His mind shoots back to the one and only time he has been unfaithful, "Christ!" he says "are you that stripogram on my stag night that I shagged on the snooker table in front of all my mates while your mate whipped me with some wet celery and stuck a cucumber up my arse?"
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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:19:17 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:04:30 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
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If the birds are so smart, why do they stay with him?

Because I look after them better than most "pet owners".


Really? Have you met most pet owners? Or are you just lying, as
usual?

I've met loads, ones I've sold parrots to or bought parrots from.

I don't keep them in cages. 99% of people do. And yes there is a lot
of claning up to do.


So a sample so small as to be meaningless.


It's big enough.

Too bad you didn't study
statistics. Some pets like cages.


Parrots do not. They are supposed to FLY.



Then why do you keep them in your house? hey should be free to fly
anywhere they want to. You just keep them in a bigger cage.


They feel secure, in their own space.


As do prisoners?



I don't want to know about your time in prison, or your prison
'freinds'.


I suppose you are against fenced in yards & dog houses, too.


And I suppose you condone battery farms.



WTF is a battery farm? Do you start with AAAA cells, then feed &
water them till they are full grown D cells?


Its a European term - e.g. egg laying chickens kept in tiny compartments so
small they can't even turn round!


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Then why is it I'm the one who has to operate the vacuum cleaner?



Because they are a lot smarter than you, and can easily con you into
doing the maid's work.


"The maid's work" - this explains your pompous snobby attitude.

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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:28:01 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:19:17 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:04:30 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

If the birds are so smart, why do they stay with him?

Because I look after them better than most "pet owners".


Really? Have you met most pet owners? Or are you just lying, as
usual?

I've met loads, ones I've sold parrots to or bought parrots from.

I don't keep them in cages. 99% of people do. And yes there is a lot of claning up to do.


So a sample so small as to be meaningless.


It's big enough.

Too bad you didn't study
statistics. Some pets like cages.


Parrots do not. They are supposed to FLY.



Then why do you keep them in your house? hey should be free to fly
anywhere they want to. You just keep them in a bigger cage.


It is safer in the house away from predators and cars.

They feel secure, in their own space.


As do prisoners?



I don't want to know about your time in prison, or your prison
'freinds'.


You're projecting.

I suppose you are against fenced in yards & dog houses, too.


And I suppose you condone battery farms.



WTF is a battery farm? Do you start with AAAA cells, then feed &
water them till they are full grown D cells?


Ignoramus. HENS. Those things that lay eggs. Ever heard of "free range" eggs?

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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:33:19 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:07:54 -0000, GregS wrote:

In article , "Peter Hucker" wrote:

They use so little power though. Anyway the main source of heat in any
lighting is from the light source itself, not the wires supplying it. I've
never felt any LEDs getting warmer than body temperature.


I got an LED array that uses 45 watts. See if you can hold that.

What size is it? If it's too hot to hold I doubt the LEDs will last long.


You really are dense, aren't you? Some LED arrays are built on an
aluminum heatsink.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GGLD&q=high+power+LED+array+alumi num


If it's too hot for me to hold, the LEDs will also be too hot. If the heatsink is working, then it won't be too hot for my hand or the LEDs.



Sure its ok. What's that smell? Someone is cooking bacon!


Are you telling me you'd be happy to design an LED light where the LEDs were hot enough to burn skin? They wouldn't like that temperature.

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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:35:09 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:20:34 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


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They use so little power though. Anyway the main source of heat in any lighting is from the light source itself, not the wires supplying it. I've never felt any LEDs getting warmer than body temperature.


Truly amazing! Your ignorance is something to behold.

Are my LEDs magical then? Because they certainly are not warmer than I am.


No, just substandard.


They are about as efficient as they get.



Too bad we can't say the same about you.


There is nothing in here allowing you to work out my efficiecy.

Or are you working out how long I take to type each message?


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Well, the hours passed and the margarita's went down way too easily. Around 3 a.m., a bit loaded, I headed for home.
Just as I got in the door, the cuckoo clock in the hallway started up and cuckooed 3 times. Quickly, realizing my husband would probably wake up, I cuckooed another 9 times. I was really proud of myself for coming up with such a quick-witted solution in order to escape a possible conflict with him.
(Even when totally smashed... 3 cuckoos plus 9 cuckoos totals 12 cuckoos = MIDNIGHT!)
The next morning my husband asked me what time I got in, I told him 'MIDNIGHT'... he didn't seem ****ed off in the least. Whew, I got away with that one!
Then he said 'We need a new cuckoo clock.'
When I asked him why, he said, 'Well, last night our clock cuckooed three times, then said 'oh ****.' Cuckooed 4 more times, cleared its throat, cuckooed another three times, giggled, cuckooed twice more, and then tripped over the coffee table and farted.
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:56:05 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:24:05 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:16:06 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

I don't get how you manage to overheat something with a quarter of the heat input, no.


You really are dense, aren't you? The CFL isn't rated to operate
anywhere near the temperature an incandescent lamp produces. It isn't
glass metal & high temperature cement. Some parts aren't even rated to
stand boiling water. Some fixtures hold in more heat than others. They
are designed to handle the extra heat. Put a wimpy CFL inside that
fixture and it will die a quick death. Sometimes with a free lightshow
& fireworks.

I've got a CFL (100watt equivalent) in a completely enclosed glass fitting in the bathroom. It has lasted just fine.

I don't think I'd want a fitting that could hold the heat enough to make a CFL get to 100C. That would mean an incandescent would get a lot hotter than that! What of the surrounding stuff, like the ceiling?


You really are dense, aren't you? The fixtures ARE DESIGNED FOR THE
HIGHER OPERATING TEMPERATURE.

Yes, and so was Chernobyl. I prefer not to have things that hot inside my house.



Well, we don't have to worry about any of your bright ideas setting
the world on fire. For someone who claims to have a honors degree in
Physuics, you don't know anything. Do you ever cook anything, or do you
live on birdseed?


An oven is not mounted on the ceiling. An oven does not have plastic parts (in the actual light socket) that can become brittle with age and heat.



You said: " I prefer not to have things that hot inside my house.",
so you are either quite ignorant, or just another liar.


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Your humour is deteriorating.


You said that I have no sense of humor. How can it be deteriorating?


You don't accept anyone else's humour, but you attempt to create your own. It's getting worse.



If you ever write anything funny, I'll let you know.


You haven't read any of my comedy Sci-Fi writing, so what do you know?


I was of course only referring to your activities within the group.



Yet you made a blanket statement that I have no sense of humor.


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Then why is it I'm the one who has to operate the vacuum cleaner?



Because they are a lot smarter than you, and can easily con you into
doing the maid's work.


"The maid's work" - this explains your pompous snobby attitude.



That some other people have a maid? How does that make me pompous,
or a snob, when I've never had a maid, or any help? I started working
part time at 13, after school & weekends at a TV shop. I still cook,
clean & do my own laundry. I also do volunteer work by collecting old
computers, repairing them, then giving them away to other disabled US
Veterans. I am no longer allowed to work, due to my failing health, but
I have to keep busy on the days I can get out of bed. All you do is
publicly make a fool of yourself.

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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:28:01 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:19:17 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:04:30 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
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If the birds are so smart, why do they stay with him?

Because I look after them better than most "pet owners".


Really? Have you met most pet owners? Or are you just lying, as
usual?

I've met loads, ones I've sold parrots to or bought parrots from.

I don't keep them in cages. 99% of people do. And yes there is a lot
of claning up to do.


So a sample so small as to be meaningless.

It's big enough.

Too bad you didn't study
statistics. Some pets like cages.

Parrots do not. They are supposed to FLY.



Then why do you keep them in your house? hey should be free to fly
anywhere they want to. You just keep them in a bigger cage.


They feel secure, in their own space.

As do prisoners?



I don't want to know about your time in prison, or your prison
'freinds'.


I suppose you are against fenced in yards & dog houses, too.

And I suppose you condone battery farms.



WTF is a battery farm? Do you start with AAAA cells, then feed &
water them till they are full grown D cells?


Its a European term - e.g. egg laying chickens kept in tiny compartments so
small they can't even turn round!



Do they still do that? It isn't common in the US.


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:03:33 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:28:01 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:19:17 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:04:30 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

If the birds are so smart, why do they stay with him?

Because I look after them better than most "pet owners".


Really? Have you met most pet owners? Or are you just lying, as
usual?

I've met loads, ones I've sold parrots to or bought parrots from.

I don't keep them in cages. 99% of people do. And yes there is a lot of claning up to do.


So a sample so small as to be meaningless.

It's big enough.

Too bad you didn't study
statistics. Some pets like cages.

Parrots do not. They are supposed to FLY.



Then why do you keep them in your house? hey should be free to fly
anywhere they want to. You just keep them in a bigger cage.


It is safer in the house away from predators and cars.



Then leave them in Africa or South America where they belong.


They feel secure, in their own space.

As do prisoners?



I don't want to know about your time in prison, or your prison
'freinds'.


You're projecting.

I suppose you are against fenced in yards & dog houses, too.

And I suppose you condone battery farms.



WTF is a battery farm? Do you start with AAAA cells, then feed &
water them till they are full grown D cells?


Ignoramus. HENS. Those things that lay eggs. Ever heard of "free range" eggs?



Yes, they come from free range chickens. Rather gamy tasting
critters. You get on an international newsgroup, then blather on in
British slang, then throw a hissy fit when someone questions you.
Pathetic. Are you sure you aren't French?




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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:33:19 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:07:54 -0000, GregS wrote:

In article , "Peter Hucker" wrote:

They use so little power though. Anyway the main source of heat in any
lighting is from the light source itself, not the wires supplying it. I've
never felt any LEDs getting warmer than body temperature.


I got an LED array that uses 45 watts. See if you can hold that.

What size is it? If it's too hot to hold I doubt the LEDs will last long.


You really are dense, aren't you? Some LED arrays are built on an
aluminum heatsink.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GGLD&q=high+power+LED+array+alumi num

If it's too hot for me to hold, the LEDs will also be too hot. If the heatsink is working, then it won't be too hot for my hand or the LEDs.



Sure its ok. What's that smell? Someone is cooking bacon!


Are you telling me you'd be happy to design an LED light where the LEDs were hot enough to burn skin? They wouldn't like that temperature.



Are you telling me that your mother had any kids who weren't born
brain dead?


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There is nothing in here allowing you to work out my efficiecy.

Or are you working out how long I take to type each message?



I would rate you at around -1E22 efficient. IOW, not enough to
notice, without quite a bit of effort. No matter how fast you type, the
output is less than worthless.


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:24:05 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:16:06 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

I don't get how you manage to overheat something with a quarter
of the heat input, no.


You really are dense, aren't you? The CFL isn't rated to
operate
anywhere near the temperature an incandescent lamp produces. It
isn't
glass metal & high temperature cement. Some parts aren't even
rated to
stand boiling water. Some fixtures hold in more heat than
others. They
are designed to handle the extra heat. Put a wimpy CFL inside
that
fixture and it will die a quick death. Sometimes with a free
lightshow
& fireworks.

I've got a CFL (100watt equivalent) in a completely enclosed glass
fitting in the bathroom. It has lasted just fine.

I don't think I'd want a fitting that could hold the heat enough to
make a CFL get to 100C. That would mean an incandescent would get
a lot hotter than that! What of the surrounding stuff, like the
ceiling?


You really are dense, aren't you? The fixtures ARE DESIGNED FOR
THE
HIGHER OPERATING TEMPERATURE.

Yes, and so was Chernobyl. I prefer not to have things that hot
inside my house.


Well, we don't have to worry about any of your bright ideas setting
the world on fire. For someone who claims to have a honors degree in
Physuics, you don't know anything. Do you ever cook anything, or do
you
live on birdseed?


An oven is not mounted on the ceiling. An oven does not have plastic
parts (in the actual light socket) that can become brittle with age and
heat.



You said: " I prefer not to have things that hot inside my house.",
so you are either quite ignorant, or just another liar.


PHucker frequently get confused about something he or someone else has said,
then gets in an argument with anyone who corrects him.




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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:28:01 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:19:17 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:04:30 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

If the birds are so smart, why do they stay with him?

Because I look after them better than most "pet owners".


Really? Have you met most pet owners? Or are you just lying,
as
usual?

I've met loads, ones I've sold parrots to or bought parrots from.

I don't keep them in cages. 99% of people do. And yes there is a
lot
of claning up to do.


So a sample so small as to be meaningless.

It's big enough.

Too bad you didn't study
statistics. Some pets like cages.

Parrots do not. They are supposed to FLY.


Then why do you keep them in your house? hey should be free to fly
anywhere they want to. You just keep them in a bigger cage.


They feel secure, in their own space.

As do prisoners?


I don't want to know about your time in prison, or your prison
'freinds'.


I suppose you are against fenced in yards & dog houses, too.

And I suppose you condone battery farms.


WTF is a battery farm? Do you start with AAAA cells, then feed &
water them till they are full grown D cells?


Its a European term - e.g. egg laying chickens kept in tiny compartments
so
small they can't even turn round!



Do they still do that? It isn't common in the US.


http://www.downthelane.net/battery.html

We are led to believe that animal welfare legislation in the UK is more
stringent than in mainland Europe.


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:28:01 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:19:17 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:04:30 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

If the birds are so smart, why do they stay with him?

Because I look after them better than most "pet owners".


Really? Have you met most pet owners? Or are you just lying,
as
usual?

I've met loads, ones I've sold parrots to or bought parrots from.

I don't keep them in cages. 99% of people do. And yes there is a
lot of claning up to do.


So a sample so small as to be meaningless.

It's big enough.

Too bad you didn't study
statistics. Some pets like cages.

Parrots do not. They are supposed to FLY.


Then why do you keep them in your house? hey should be free to fly
anywhere they want to. You just keep them in a bigger cage.


It is safer in the house away from predators and cars.



Then leave them in Africa or South America where they belong.


They feel secure, in their own space.

As do prisoners?


I don't want to know about your time in prison, or your prison
'freinds'.


You're projecting.

I suppose you are against fenced in yards & dog houses, too.

And I suppose you condone battery farms.


WTF is a battery farm? Do you start with AAAA cells, then feed &
water them till they are full grown D cells?


Ignoramus. HENS. Those things that lay eggs. Ever heard of "free
range" eggs?



Yes, they come from free range chickens. Rather gamy tasting
critters. You get on an international newsgroup, then blather on in
British slang, then throw a hissy fit when someone questions you.
Pathetic. Are you sure you aren't French?


He claims to be 1/4 Swedish.


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:33:19 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:07:54 -0000, GregS
wrote:

In article , "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

They use so little power though. Anyway the main source of heat
in any
lighting is from the light source itself, not the wires
supplying it. I've
never felt any LEDs getting warmer than body temperature.


I got an LED array that uses 45 watts. See if you can hold that.

What size is it? If it's too hot to hold I doubt the LEDs will
last long.


You really are dense, aren't you? Some LED arrays are built on
an
aluminum heatsink.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GGLD&q=high+power+LED+array+alumi num

If it's too hot for me to hold, the LEDs will also be too hot. If the
heatsink is working, then it won't be too hot for my hand or the LEDs.


Sure its ok. What's that smell? Someone is cooking bacon!


Are you telling me you'd be happy to design an LED light where the LEDs
were hot enough to burn skin? They wouldn't like that temperature.



Are you telling me that your mother had any kids who weren't born
brain dead?


He was probably dropped on his head a lot as an infant.


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:24:05 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:16:06 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

I don't get how you manage to overheat something with a
quarter
of the heat input, no.


You really are dense, aren't you? The CFL isn't rated to
operate
anywhere near the temperature an incandescent lamp produces.
It
isn't
glass metal & high temperature cement. Some parts aren't even
rated to
stand boiling water. Some fixtures hold in more heat than
others. They
are designed to handle the extra heat. Put a wimpy CFL inside
that
fixture and it will die a quick death. Sometimes with a free
lightshow
& fireworks.

I've got a CFL (100watt equivalent) in a completely enclosed
glass
fitting in the bathroom. It has lasted just fine.

I don't think I'd want a fitting that could hold the heat enough
to
make a CFL get to 100C. That would mean an incandescent would
get
a lot hotter than that! What of the surrounding stuff, like the
ceiling?


You really are dense, aren't you? The fixtures ARE DESIGNED
FOR
THE
HIGHER OPERATING TEMPERATURE.

Yes, and so was Chernobyl. I prefer not to have things that hot
inside my house.


Well, we don't have to worry about any of your bright ideas
setting
the world on fire. For someone who claims to have a honors degree in
Physuics, you don't know anything. Do you ever cook anything, or do
you
live on birdseed?

An oven is not mounted on the ceiling. An oven does not have plastic
parts (in the actual light socket) that can become brittle with age and
heat.


You said: " I prefer not to have things that hot inside my house.",
so you are either quite ignorant, or just another liar.


PHucker frequently get confused about something he or someone else has
said,
then gets in an argument with anyone who corrects him.


It's to garner attention/troll. I've seen Peter post on the upwards of
400 times a day. I don't know him but one could assume that someone
with that much time to spend on a PC could be severely disabled and
only be able to communicate over the internet with a diverse group of
people.


He claims to be in full time employment as tech support in a computer firm
or some such, I've seen him post on 24hoursupport.helpdesk - but only to
make silly comments, never to help anyone.

If you've noticed the petersparrots.com in his sig file, that's because he
breeds and sells parrots (probably on the black).

On alt.binaries.chatter he frequently goes on about the flash car he has and
braggs about what pride he takes in his appalling driving - routinely
running red lights and speeding whenever his satnav said no speed cameras,
at one point he was openly bragging about speeding in a car with defective
ABS, which he'd taken the bulb out of the warning light to scam it through
the MOT test.

All said and done, I'll concede he might be not well in the head.


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You said: " I prefer not to have things that hot inside my house.",
so you are either quite ignorant, or just another liar.


PHucker frequently get confused about something he or someone else has said,
then gets in an argument with anyone who corrects him.



The mentally decapitated are all like that.


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:03:33 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:28:01 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:19:17 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:04:30 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

If the birds are so smart, why do they stay with him?

Because I look after them better than most "pet owners".


Really? Have you met most pet owners? Or are you just lying,
as
usual?

I've met loads, ones I've sold parrots to or bought parrots from.

I don't keep them in cages. 99% of people do. And yes there is a
lot of claning up to do.


So a sample so small as to be meaningless.

It's big enough.

Too bad you didn't study
statistics. Some pets like cages.

Parrots do not. They are supposed to FLY.


Then why do you keep them in your house? hey should be free to fly
anywhere they want to. You just keep them in a bigger cage.

It is safer in the house away from predators and cars.



Then leave them in Africa or South America where they belong.


They feel secure, in their own space.

As do prisoners?


I don't want to know about your time in prison, or your prison
'freinds'.

You're projecting.

I suppose you are against fenced in yards & dog houses, too.

And I suppose you condone battery farms.


WTF is a battery farm? Do you start with AAAA cells, then feed &
water them till they are full grown D cells?

Ignoramus. HENS. Those things that lay eggs. Ever heard of "free
range" eggs?



Yes, they come from free range chickens. Rather gamy tasting
critters. You get on an international newsgroup, then blather on in
British slang, then throw a hissy fit when someone questions you.
Pathetic. Are you sure you aren't French?


He claims to be 1/4 Swedish.



He acts like a meatball.


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:05:34 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:33:19 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:07:54 -0000, GregS
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In article , "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

They use so little power though. Anyway the main source of heat
in any
lighting is from the light source itself, not the wires
supplying it. I've
never felt any LEDs getting warmer than body temperature.


I got an LED array that uses 45 watts. See if you can hold that.

What size is it? If it's too hot to hold I doubt the LEDs will
last long.


You really are dense, aren't you? Some LED arrays are built on
an
aluminum heatsink.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GGLD&q=high+power+LED+array+alumi num

If it's too hot for me to hold, the LEDs will also be too hot. If the
heatsink is working, then it won't be too hot for my hand or the LEDs.


Sure its ok. What's that smell? Someone is cooking bacon!

Are you telling me you'd be happy to design an LED light where the LEDs
were hot enough to burn skin? They wouldn't like that temperature.



Are you telling me that your mother had any kids who weren't born
brain dead?


He was probably dropped on his head a lot as an infant.



She kept trying to flush him down the toilet, but the plumber kept
fishing him back out.


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We are led to believe that animal welfare legislation in the UK is more
stringent than in mainland Europe.



Disgusting. I had relatives with a chicken farm in Kentucky years
ago, and it was nothing like that. It was cleaned daily, well lit, and
the chickens had plenty of room to move around. Each of their buildings
were concrete block with sheet metal roofs, and plenty of ventilation
that could be partially closed down in the winter. You could barely
tell that animals were there from the odor. Mostly, you smelled the
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:36:28 -0000, Meat Plow wrote:

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:39:33 -0000, "ian field"
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:56:05 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:24:05 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:16:06 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

I don't get how you manage to overheat something with a quarter
of the heat input, no.


You really are dense, aren't you? The CFL isn't rated to
operate
anywhere near the temperature an incandescent lamp produces. It
isn't
glass metal & high temperature cement. Some parts aren't even
rated to
stand boiling water. Some fixtures hold in more heat than
others. They
are designed to handle the extra heat. Put a wimpy CFL inside
that
fixture and it will die a quick death. Sometimes with a free
lightshow
& fireworks.

I've got a CFL (100watt equivalent) in a completely enclosed glass
fitting in the bathroom. It has lasted just fine.

I don't think I'd want a fitting that could hold the heat enough to
make a CFL get to 100C. That would mean an incandescent would get
a lot hotter than that! What of the surrounding stuff, like the
ceiling?


You really are dense, aren't you? The fixtures ARE DESIGNED FOR
THE
HIGHER OPERATING TEMPERATURE.

Yes, and so was Chernobyl. I prefer not to have things that hot
inside my house.


Well, we don't have to worry about any of your bright ideas setting
the world on fire. For someone who claims to have a honors degree in
Physuics, you don't know anything. Do you ever cook anything, or do
you
live on birdseed?

An oven is not mounted on the ceiling. An oven does not have plastic
parts (in the actual light socket) that can become brittle with age and
heat.


You said: " I prefer not to have things that hot inside my house.",
so you are either quite ignorant, or just another liar.


PHucker frequently get confused about something he or someone else has said,
then gets in an argument with anyone who corrects him.


It's to garner attention/troll. I've seen Peter post on the upwards of
400 times a day. I don't know him but one could assume that someone
with that much time to spend on a PC could be severely disabled and
only be able to communicate over the internet with a diverse group of
people.


I doubt it's anywhere near 400. For your information I spend about 1 hour on usenet a day.

P.S. Ian's address is "gangprobing" - and you call ME a troll?

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ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:03:33 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:28:01 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:19:17 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:04:30 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

If the birds are so smart, why do they stay with him?

Because I look after them better than most "pet owners".


Really? Have you met most pet owners? Or are you just
lying,
as
usual?

I've met loads, ones I've sold parrots to or bought parrots
from.

I don't keep them in cages. 99% of people do. And yes there is
a
lot of claning up to do.


So a sample so small as to be meaningless.

It's big enough.

Too bad you didn't study
statistics. Some pets like cages.

Parrots do not. They are supposed to FLY.


Then why do you keep them in your house? hey should be free to
fly
anywhere they want to. You just keep them in a bigger cage.

It is safer in the house away from predators and cars.


Then leave them in Africa or South America where they belong.


They feel secure, in their own space.

As do prisoners?


I don't want to know about your time in prison, or your prison
'freinds'.

You're projecting.

I suppose you are against fenced in yards & dog houses, too.

And I suppose you condone battery farms.


WTF is a battery farm? Do you start with AAAA cells, then feed &
water them till they are full grown D cells?

Ignoramus. HENS. Those things that lay eggs. Ever heard of "free
range" eggs?


Yes, they come from free range chickens. Rather gamy tasting
critters. You get on an international newsgroup, then blather on in
British slang, then throw a hissy fit when someone questions you.
Pathetic. Are you sure you aren't French?


He claims to be 1/4 Swedish.



He acts like a meatball.


He lives in Scotland and just loves being teased about kilts (skirt).


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