On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:59:44 -0000, GregS wrote:

In article , "Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:49:11 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps.

More often I've seen excessive heat from an incandescent making the fitting
brittle, the danger not being fire directly, but the fitting collapsing later
on.

A lot of incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL
lamps.

Explain.


You really don't know anything, do you? Some fixtures hold in the
heat. The incandescents & ceramic sockets can handle the heat, but the
thermoplastic in the CFLs melt, the electrolytics overheat and they
fail, or catch on fire.


When I first started using them about 17 years ago, I thought I had
a few light fixtures that were way too hot, and I worried about that.
By using CFL's I would be usinf less electricity and the fixtures were much cooler.
If it was an incandescent fixture in the first place, they automatically
hold a fire for a very short period and suffocate it usually. I would worry
more about CFL's NOT in fixtures, I have one CFL in the front yard 24/365
and it probably gets real hot in the summer day, but so far its going without
problems. Fully air sealed anyway.

Why do you have it on on a hot summer's day?

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In article , "Peter Hucker" wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:59:44 -0000, GregS wrote:

In article , "Michael A.
Terrell" wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:49:11 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps.

More often I've seen excessive heat from an incandescent making the fitting
brittle, the danger not being fire directly, but the fitting collapsing
later
on.

A lot of incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL
lamps.

Explain.


You really don't know anything, do you? Some fixtures hold in the
heat. The incandescents & ceramic sockets can handle the heat, but the
thermoplastic in the CFLs melt, the electrolytics overheat and they
fail, or catch on fire.


When I first started using them about 17 years ago, I thought I had
a few light fixtures that were way too hot, and I worried about that.
By using CFL's I would be usinf less electricity and the fixtures were much
cooler.
If it was an incandescent fixture in the first place, they automatically
hold a fire for a very short period and suffocate it usually. I would worry
more about CFL's NOT in fixtures, I have one CFL in the front yard 24/365
and it probably gets real hot in the summer day, but so far its going without
problems. Fully air sealed anyway.

Why do you have it on on a hot summer's day?



Cause I don't turn the switch off and on. I just leave it.
I do have parts to update my front lawn post including some spots
to illuminate some trees, and they will have a photo switch. I hope
the switch works on CFL's. I was going to check if this switch used a relay.

greg

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:41:31 -0000, GregS wrote:

In article , "Peter Hucker" wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:59:44 -0000, GregS wrote:

In article , "Michael A.
Terrell" wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:49:11 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps.

More often I've seen excessive heat from an incandescent making the fitting
brittle, the danger not being fire directly, but the fitting collapsing
later
on.

A lot of incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL
lamps.

Explain.


You really don't know anything, do you? Some fixtures hold in the
heat. The incandescents & ceramic sockets can handle the heat, but the
thermoplastic in the CFLs melt, the electrolytics overheat and they
fail, or catch on fire.


When I first started using them about 17 years ago, I thought I had
a few light fixtures that were way too hot, and I worried about that.
By using CFL's I would be usinf less electricity and the fixtures were much
cooler.
If it was an incandescent fixture in the first place, they automatically
hold a fire for a very short period and suffocate it usually. I would worry
more about CFL's NOT in fixtures, I have one CFL in the front yard 24/365
and it probably gets real hot in the summer day, but so far its going without
problems. Fully air sealed anyway.

Why do you have it on on a hot summer's day?



Cause I don't turn the switch off and on. I just leave it.
I do have parts to update my front lawn post including some spots
to illuminate some trees, and they will have a photo switch. I hope
the switch works on CFL's. I was going to check if this switch used a relay.

I don't need to illuminate my front lawn, there's a bloody streetlamp there!

When I eventually get round to building the pond and lighting it, I may have to black out that side of the streetlamp (it's the old hemispherical dome variety).

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To keep the swelling down.

In article , "Peter Hucker" wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:41:31 -0000, GregS wrote:

In article , "Peter Hucker"
wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:59:44 -0000, GregS wrote:

In article , "Michael A.
Terrell" wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:49:11 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps.

More often I've seen excessive heat from an incandescent making the
fitting
brittle, the danger not being fire directly, but the fitting collapsing
later
on.

A lot of incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of
CFL
lamps.

Explain.


You really don't know anything, do you? Some fixtures hold in the
heat. The incandescents & ceramic sockets can handle the heat, but the
thermoplastic in the CFLs melt, the electrolytics overheat and they
fail, or catch on fire.


When I first started using them about 17 years ago, I thought I had
a few light fixtures that were way too hot, and I worried about that.
By using CFL's I would be usinf less electricity and the fixtures were much
cooler.
If it was an incandescent fixture in the first place, they automatically
hold a fire for a very short period and suffocate it usually. I would worry
more about CFL's NOT in fixtures, I have one CFL in the front yard 24/365
and it probably gets real hot in the summer day, but so far its going
without
problems. Fully air sealed anyway.

Why do you have it on on a hot summer's day?



Cause I don't turn the switch off and on. I just leave it.
I do have parts to update my front lawn post including some spots
to illuminate some trees, and they will have a photo switch. I hope
the switch works on CFL's. I was going to check if this switch used a relay.

I don't need to illuminate my front lawn, there's a bloody streetlamp there!

When I eventually get round to building the pond and lighting it, I may have to
black out that side of the streetlamp (it's the old hemispherical dome
variety).


The trouble with street lights, only 10% of the light hits the street.
The rest just blinds you.

greg

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:12:38 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:49:11 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps.

More often I've seen excessive heat from an incandescent making the fitting brittle, the danger not being fire directly, but the fitting collapsing later on.

A lot of incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL lamps.

Explain.


You really don't know anything, do you? Some fixtures hold in the
heat. The incandescents & ceramic sockets can handle the heat, but the
thermoplastic in the CFLs melt, the electrolytics overheat and they
fail, or catch on fire.

Considering the heat generation is 75% less with a CFL....


You still don't get it, do you?


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Peter Hucker wrote:

I have an honours degree.


Basket weaving doesn't count.


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:17:29 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together 12V
lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground from his shoddy work.

He has a number of parrots loose in the house - it wouldn't be fair on
them!


So, everything there is a birdbrain?

Silly term "birdbrain" - most birds are more intelligent than a lot of people.


Sure they are, when compared to you.


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The first sign of insanity is denying that you're crazy.

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:09:18 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together 12V lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground form his shoddy work.

LEDs running on 12 volts are far less likely to burn than commercial lighting.


Really? For the same power, that is 10 times the current. That
increases the chances for a fire.


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The first sign of insanity is denying that you're crazy.

"Peter Hucker" wrote in message
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:17:29 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot
of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL
lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together 12V
lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he
most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground from his shoddy work.

He has a number of parrots loose in the house - it wouldn't be fair on
them!


So, everything there is a birdbrain?

Silly term "birdbrain" - most birds are more intelligent than a lot of
people.


You must come from a large family then.

ian field wrote:

"Peter Hucker" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:17:29 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot
of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL
lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together 12V
lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he
most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground from his shoddy work.

He has a number of parrots loose in the house - it wouldn't be fair on
them!


So, everything there is a birdbrain?

Silly term "birdbrain" - most birds are more intelligent than a lot of
people.


You must come from a large family then.


If the birds are so smart, why do they stay with him?


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The crazy, and the insane.
The first sign of insanity is denying that you're crazy.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
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ian field wrote:

"Peter Hucker" wrote in message
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:17:29 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire
goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A
lot
of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL
lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together
12V
lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he
most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground from his shoddy work.

He has a number of parrots loose in the house - it wouldn't be fair
on
them!


So, everything there is a birdbrain?

Silly term "birdbrain" - most birds are more intelligent than a lot of
people.


You must come from a large family then.


If the birds are so smart, why do they stay with him?


Birds of a feather flock together.

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:11:12 -0000, GregS wrote:

In article , "Peter Hucker" wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:41:31 -0000, GregS wrote:

In article , "Peter Hucker"
wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:59:44 -0000, GregS wrote:

In article , "Michael A.
Terrell" wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:49:11 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps.

More often I've seen excessive heat from an incandescent making the
fitting
brittle, the danger not being fire directly, but the fitting collapsing
later
on.

A lot of incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of
CFL
lamps.

Explain.


You really don't know anything, do you? Some fixtures hold in the
heat. The incandescents & ceramic sockets can handle the heat, but the
thermoplastic in the CFLs melt, the electrolytics overheat and they
fail, or catch on fire.


When I first started using them about 17 years ago, I thought I had
a few light fixtures that were way too hot, and I worried about that.
By using CFL's I would be usinf less electricity and the fixtures were much
cooler.
If it was an incandescent fixture in the first place, they automatically
hold a fire for a very short period and suffocate it usually. I would worry
more about CFL's NOT in fixtures, I have one CFL in the front yard 24/365
and it probably gets real hot in the summer day, but so far its going
without
problems. Fully air sealed anyway.

Why do you have it on on a hot summer's day?



Cause I don't turn the switch off and on. I just leave it.
I do have parts to update my front lawn post including some spots
to illuminate some trees, and they will have a photo switch. I hope
the switch works on CFL's. I was going to check if this switch used a relay.

I don't need to illuminate my front lawn, there's a bloody streetlamp there!

When I eventually get round to building the pond and lighting it, I may have to
black out that side of the streetlamp (it's the old hemispherical dome
variety).


The trouble with street lights, only 10% of the light hits the street.
The rest just blinds you.

Funny, I've never been blinded by a street light. BMW headlights on the other hand....

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On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:24:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:12:38 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:49:11 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps.

More often I've seen excessive heat from an incandescent making the fitting brittle, the danger not being fire directly, but the fitting collapsing later on.

A lot of incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL lamps.

Explain.


You really don't know anything, do you? Some fixtures hold in the
heat. The incandescents & ceramic sockets can handle the heat, but the
thermoplastic in the CFLs melt, the electrolytics overheat and they
fail, or catch on fire.

Considering the heat generation is 75% less with a CFL....


You still don't get it, do you?

I don't get how you manage to overheat something with a quarter of the heat input, no.

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Well, the hours passed and the margarita's went down way too easily. Around 3 a.m., a bit loaded, I headed for home.
Just as I got in the door, the cuckoo clock in the hallway started up and cuckooed 3 times. Quickly, realizing my husband would probably wake up, I cuckooed another 9 times. I was really proud of myself for coming up with such a quick-witted solution in order to escape a possible conflict with him.
(Even when totally smashed... 3 cuckoos plus 9 cuckoos totals 12 cuckoos = MIDNIGHT!)
The next morning my husband asked me what time I got in, I told him 'MIDNIGHT'... he didn't seem ****ed off in the least. Whew, I got away with that one!
Then he said 'We need a new cuckoo clock.'
When I asked him why, he said, 'Well, last night our clock cuckooed three times, then said 'oh ****.' Cuckooed 4 more times, cleared its throat, cuckooed another three times, giggled, cuckooed twice more, and then tripped over the coffee table and farted.

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:25:18 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

I have an honours degree.


Basket weaving doesn't count.

Physics and Digital Microelectronics.


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On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:25:57 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:17:29 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together 12V
lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground from his shoddy work.

He has a number of parrots loose in the house - it wouldn't be fair on
them!


So, everything there is a birdbrain?

Silly term "birdbrain" - most birds are more intelligent than a lot of people.


Sure they are, when compared to you.

That sentence just proves how childish you are.


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More and more cities are instituting a 10:30 PM curfew for everyone younger than 18.
Experts say keeping teens indoors at night is the only way to make the streets safe for adults.

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:26:52 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:09:18 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together 12V lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground form his shoddy work.

LEDs running on 12 volts are far less likely to burn than commercial lighting.


Really? For the same power, that is 10 times the current. That
increases the chances for a fire.

They use so little power though. Anyway the main source of heat in any lighting is from the light source itself, not the wires supplying it. I've never felt any LEDs getting warmer than body temperature.

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More and more cities are instituting a 10:30 PM curfew for everyone younger than 18.
Experts say keeping teens indoors at night is the only way to make the streets safe for adults.

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:04:30 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


ian field wrote:

"Peter Hucker" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:17:29 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot
of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL
lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together 12V
lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he
most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground from his shoddy work.

He has a number of parrots loose in the house - it wouldn't be fair on
them!


So, everything there is a birdbrain?

Silly term "birdbrain" - most birds are more intelligent than a lot of
people.


You must come from a large family then.


If the birds are so smart, why do they stay with him?

Because I look after them better than most "pet owners".


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In article , "Peter Hucker" wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:26:52 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:09:18 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together 12V
lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground form his shoddy work.

LEDs running on 12 volts are far less likely to burn than commercial
lighting.


Really? For the same power, that is 10 times the current. That
increases the chances for a fire.

They use so little power though. Anyway the main source of heat in any
lighting is from the light source itself, not the wires supplying it. I've
never felt any LEDs getting warmer than body temperature.


I got an LED array that uses 45 watts. See if you can hold that.

greg

Peter Hucker wrote:

I don't get how you manage to overheat something with a quarter of the heat input, no.


You really are dense, aren't you? The CFL isn't rated to operate
anywhere near the temperature an incandescent lamp produces. It isn't
glass metal & high temperature cement. Some parts aren't even rated to
stand boiling water. Some fixtures hold in more heat than others. They
are designed to handle the extra heat. Put a wimpy CFL inside that
fixture and it will die a quick death. Sometimes with a free lightshow
& fireworks.


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Peter Hucker wrote:

I have an honours degree.


Basket weaving doesn't count.

Physics and Digital Microelectronics.


Is it too late to get a refund?


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That sentence just proves how childish you are.


Make up your mind. That is, if there is enough of it left.



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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:07:54 -0000, GregS wrote:

In article , "Peter Hucker" wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:26:52 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:09:18 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together 12V
lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground form his shoddy work.

LEDs running on 12 volts are far less likely to burn than commercial
lighting.


Really? For the same power, that is 10 times the current. That
increases the chances for a fire.

They use so little power though. Anyway the main source of heat in any
lighting is from the light source itself, not the wires supplying it. I've
never felt any LEDs getting warmer than body temperature.


I got an LED array that uses 45 watts. See if you can hold that.

What size is it? If it's too hot to hold I doubt the LEDs will last long.

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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:04:30 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

If the birds are so smart, why do they stay with him?

Because I look after them better than most "pet owners".


Really? Have you met most pet owners? Or are you just lying, as
usual?


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They use so little power though. Anyway the main source of heat in any lighting is from the light source itself, not the wires supplying it. I've never felt any LEDs getting warmer than body temperature.


Truly amazing! Your ignorance is something to behold.


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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:16:06 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

I don't get how you manage to overheat something with a quarter of the heat input, no.


You really are dense, aren't you? The CFL isn't rated to operate
anywhere near the temperature an incandescent lamp produces. It isn't
glass metal & high temperature cement. Some parts aren't even rated to
stand boiling water. Some fixtures hold in more heat than others. They
are designed to handle the extra heat. Put a wimpy CFL inside that
fixture and it will die a quick death. Sometimes with a free lightshow
& fireworks.

I've got a CFL (100watt equivalent) in a completely enclosed glass fitting in the bathroom. It has lasted just fine.

I don't think I'd want a fitting that could hold the heat enough to make a CFL get to 100C. That would mean an incandescent would get a lot hotter than that! What of the surrounding stuff, like the ceiling?

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ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire
goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A
lot
of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL
lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together
12V
lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he
most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground from his shoddy work.

He has a number of parrots loose in the house - it wouldn't be fair
on
them!


So, everything there is a birdbrain?

Silly term "birdbrain" - most birds are more intelligent than a lot of
people.


You must come from a large family then.


If the birds are so smart, why do they stay with him?


Birds of a feather flock together.


They took pity on him, and are trying to take care of him.


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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:16:55 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:25:18 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

I have an honours degree.


Basket weaving doesn't count.

Physics and Digital Microelectronics.


Is it too late to get a refund?

In my day we were paid to get degrees. Then the governent ****ed the education system.

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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:18:01 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

That sentence just proves how childish you are.


Make up your mind. That is, if there is enough of it left.

I have never said you weren't childish.

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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:19:17 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:04:30 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

If the birds are so smart, why do they stay with him?

Because I look after them better than most "pet owners".


Really? Have you met most pet owners? Or are you just lying, as
usual?

I've met loads, ones I've sold parrots to or bought parrots from.

I don't keep them in cages. 99% of people do. And yes there is a lot of claning up to do.

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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:20:34 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

They use so little power though. Anyway the main source of heat in any lighting is from the light source itself, not the wires supplying it. I've never felt any LEDs getting warmer than body temperature.


Truly amazing! Your ignorance is something to behold.

Are my LEDs magical then? Because they certainly are not warmer than I am.

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In article , "Peter Hucker" wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:07:54 -0000, GregS wrote:

In article , "Peter Hucker"
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:26:52 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:09:18 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL
lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together 12V
lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground form his shoddy work.

LEDs running on 12 volts are far less likely to burn than commercial
lighting.


Really? For the same power, that is 10 times the current. That
increases the chances for a fire.

They use so little power though. Anyway the main source of heat in any
lighting is from the light source itself, not the wires supplying it. I've
never felt any LEDs getting warmer than body temperature.


I got an LED array that uses 45 watts. See if you can hold that.

What size is it? If it's too hot to hold I doubt the LEDs will last long.


Less than 1.5 inch square, but it on a copper pad, on top a peltier, on top an aluminum
sink with a fan.


greg

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:16:06 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

I don't get how you manage to overheat something with a quarter of the heat input, no.


You really are dense, aren't you? The CFL isn't rated to operate
anywhere near the temperature an incandescent lamp produces. It isn't
glass metal & high temperature cement. Some parts aren't even rated to
stand boiling water. Some fixtures hold in more heat than others. They
are designed to handle the extra heat. Put a wimpy CFL inside that
fixture and it will die a quick death. Sometimes with a free lightshow
& fireworks.

I've got a CFL (100watt equivalent) in a completely enclosed glass fitting in the bathroom. It has lasted just fine.

I don't think I'd want a fitting that could hold the heat enough to make a CFL get to 100C. That would mean an incandescent would get a lot hotter than that! What of the surrounding stuff, like the ceiling?


You really are dense, aren't you? The fixtures ARE DESIGNED FOR THE
HIGHER OPERATING TEMPERATURE.


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:16:55 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:25:18 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

I have an honours degree.


Basket weaving doesn't count.

Physics and Digital Microelectronics.


Is it too late to get a refund?

In my day we were paid to get degrees. Then the governent ****ed the education system.


No. it was when they paid you.


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:18:01 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

That sentence just proves how childish you are.


Make up your mind. That is, if there is enough of it left.

I have never said you weren't childish.


Is that the best you can do, with your TWO HONORS DEGREES? What a
ripoff!


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:19:17 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:04:30 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

If the birds are so smart, why do they stay with him?

Because I look after them better than most "pet owners".


Really? Have you met most pet owners? Or are you just lying, as
usual?

I've met loads, ones I've sold parrots to or bought parrots from.

I don't keep them in cages. 99% of people do. And yes there is a lot of claning up to do.


So a sample so small as to be meaningless. Too bad you didn't study
statistics. Some pets like cages. They feel secure, in their own
space. I suppose you are against fenced in yards & dog houses, too.

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In article , (GregS) wrote:
In article , "Peter Hucker"
wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:07:54 -0000, GregS wrote:

In article , "Peter Hucker"
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:26:52 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:09:18 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL
lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together 12V
lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground form his shoddy work.

LEDs running on 12 volts are far less likely to burn than commercial
lighting.


Really? For the same power, that is 10 times the current. That
increases the chances for a fire.

They use so little power though. Anyway the main source of heat in any
lighting is from the light source itself, not the wires supplying it. I've
never felt any LEDs getting warmer than body temperature.


I got an LED array that uses 45 watts. See if you can hold that.





Less than 1.5 inch square, but it on a copper pad, on top a peltier, on top an
aluminum
sink with a fan.


Here are some not so bright. I think these are 10 watts or less.

http://zekfrivolous.com/pics/leds/ga..._image-694.jpg

greg

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:07:54 -0000, GregS wrote:

In article , "Peter Hucker" wrote:

They use so little power though. Anyway the main source of heat in any
lighting is from the light source itself, not the wires supplying it. I've
never felt any LEDs getting warmer than body temperature.


I got an LED array that uses 45 watts. See if you can hold that.

What size is it? If it's too hot to hold I doubt the LEDs will last long.


You really are dense, aren't you? Some LED arrays are built on an
aluminum heatsink.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GGLD&q=high+power+LED+array+alumi num


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:20:34 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

They use so little power though. Anyway the main source of heat in any lighting is from the light source itself, not the wires supplying it. I've never felt any LEDs getting warmer than body temperature.


Truly amazing! Your ignorance is something to behold.

Are my LEDs magical then? Because they certainly are not warmer than I am.


No, just substandard.


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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:21:10 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...

ian field wrote:

"Peter Hucker" wrote in message
news On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:17:29 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

ian field wrote:
PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together
12V
lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he
most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground from his shoddy work.

He has a number of parrots loose in the house - it wouldn't be fair
on
them!


So, everything there is a birdbrain?

Silly term "birdbrain" - most birds are more intelligent than a lot of
people.


You must come from a large family then.


If the birds are so smart, why do they stay with him?


Birds of a feather flock together.


They took pity on him, and are trying to take care of him.

Then why is it I'm the one who has to operate the vacuum cleaner?



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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:23:24 -0000, GregS wrote:

In article , "Peter Hucker" wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:07:54 -0000, GregS wrote:

In article , "Peter Hucker"
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:26:52 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:09:18 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


ian field wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

Peter Hucker wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:14:26 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

What part of CFL lamps overheating and catching on fire goes
right
over your head?

It only happens extremely occasionally.


A hell of a lot more often than with incandescent lamps. A lot of
incandescent fixtures are not designed for safe operation of CFL
lamps.


PHucker boasts of having rigged his house with cobbled together 12V
lighting
run from solar panels and scrounged end of life car batteries, he most
likely had some scares using LV halogens in unsuitable enclosures.


With any luck, it will burn to the ground form his shoddy work.

LEDs running on 12 volts are far less likely to burn than commercial
lighting.


Really? For the same power, that is 10 times the current. That
increases the chances for a fire.

They use so little power though. Anyway the main source of heat in any
lighting is from the light source itself, not the wires supplying it. I've
never felt any LEDs getting warmer than body temperature.


I got an LED array that uses 45 watts. See if you can hold that.

What size is it? If it's too hot to hold I doubt the LEDs will last long.


Less than 1.5 inch square, but it on a copper pad, on top a peltier, on top an aluminum
sink with a fan.

Which I assume is cooling it satisfactorily, thus I could hold it?


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