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Welcome! It's very easy to join. Simply send me $99.95 and you will receive
your membership card and secret decoder ring.

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31 Royal Hill
Greenwich
London
SE10 8RR

Wouldn't you rather have 30 euros?

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31 Royal Hill
Greenwich
London
SE10 8RR

Wouldn't you rather have 30 euros?



Hey Meat ! Where did that arbitrary address come from ?? Send anything there
old buddy, and it sure as hell ain't gonna reach me ! Just a minute ...
Didn't someone say that was the address of the "MI5 conspiracy" nutter ?
Cheeky sod !!

And to William, it's a resounding NO !!! We in the UK have not allowed our
money to be hijacked by Brussels. We have no desire to hand over our economy
into a monetary system characterised by weakness, Monopoly notes, and
re-pressed milk bottle tops for coinage.

We still retain our pounds sterling and pence. Long may it remain so ...

Arfa

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And to William, it's a resounding NO !!! We in the UK have not
allowed our money to be hijacked by Brussels. We have no
desire to hand over our economy into a monetary system
characterised by weakness, Monopoly notes, and re-pressed
milk bottle tops for coinage.

We still retain our pounds sterling and pence. Long may it remain so ...

I know all that. But the euro is currently worth more than the dollar.
Therefore...

"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message
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"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
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And to William, it's a resounding NO !!! We in the UK have not
allowed our money to be hijacked by Brussels. We have no
desire to hand over our economy into a monetary system
characterised by weakness, Monopoly notes, and re-pressed
milk bottle tops for coinage.

We still retain our pounds sterling and pence. Long may it remain so ...

I know all that. But the euro is currently worth more than the dollar.
Therefore...


Ah yes, I see where you're coming from. $30 would make me about £15, whereas
e30 ( I haven't got the silly symbol, so you'll have to make do with "e")
would net me 20 odd quid ... Still, I'd then have to convert from the Disney
money into real UK money, so what with the commission and the hassle of
going to the bank to do it, I probably wouldn't be much in. No, on balance,
if anyone from your side of the pond feels inclined to send me any arbitrary
amount of money, for any arbitrary reason, just do it in $ US, cash in an
envelope. Then I'll just hang onto it, and spend it next time I'm over there
d;~}

Arfa

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31 Royal Hill
Greenwich
London
SE10 8RR

Just for sport, I just had a look for that address on my GPS. Would you
believe that there doesn't actually seem to be a street in London called
"Royal Hill" ? Surprised me ...

Arfa

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31 Royal Hill
Greenwich
London
SE10 8RR

Just for sport, I just had a look for that address on my GPS. Would you
believe that there doesn't actually seem to be a street in London called
"Royal Hill" ? Surprised me ...

It`ll be were MI5 horrorfags live and therefor invisible to GPS

Ron Foilhat

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:22:17 GMT, "Arfa Daily" wrote:

Just for sport, I just had a look for that address on my GPS. Would you
believe that there doesn't actually seem to be a street in London called
"Royal Hill" ? Surprised me ...
GPS update required.
First result from google for that postcode leads to:-
Metropolitan Police Service
Police (Police, Fire, Ambulance) based in the Royal Hill area of London
Tel: xxx xxx1212
Address: Greenwich Police Station, 31 Royal Hill London SE10 8RR

Geo

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31 Royal Hill
Greenwich
London
SE10 8RR

Just for sport, I just had a look for that address on my GPS. Would you
believe that there doesn't actually seem to be a street in London called
"Royal Hill" ? Surprised me ...

Arfa



Would you believe there are many new streets in many countries that are not
yet in GPS maps?

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31 Royal Hill
Greenwich
London
SE10 8RR

Just for sport, I just had a look for that address on my GPS. Would you
believe that there doesn't actually seem to be a street in London called
"Royal Hill" ? Surprised me ...

Arfa



Would you believe there are many new streets in many countries that are
not
yet in GPS maps?


Greenwich ain't too new though ... !! Actually, I've come across this
before. I think that the search algorithm on my GPS is not terribly good (it
is quite old). I've asked it for a route to somewhere that I know exists,
and it just denies that it is in the database. Then I go and look manually
on the displayed map and lo! there it is ...

Arfa

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31 Royal Hill
Greenwich
London
SE10 8RR

Just for sport, I just had a look for that address on my GPS. Would you
believe that there doesn't actually seem to be a street in London called
"Royal Hill" ? Surprised me ...

But I believe there's a Ha Ha Hill - not a million miles from SE10, as
it turns out!

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Not quite, until Buddi paypals me....Heehee.......Dontchaknow?............

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31 Royal Hill
Greenwich
London
SE10 8RR

Just for sport, I just had a look for that address on my GPS. Would you
believe that there doesn't actually seem to be a street in London called
"Royal Hill" ? Surprised me ...

Arfa



Would you believe there are many new streets in many countries that are
not
yet in GPS maps?


Greenwich ain't too new though ... !! Actually, I've come across this
before. I think that the search algorithm on my GPS is not terribly good (it
is quite old). I've asked it for a route to somewhere that I know exists,
and it just denies that it is in the database. Then I go and look manually
on the displayed map and lo! there it is ...

Arfa



In other cases a map may contain streets and addresses from planning
documents. My daughter's new home is in a blank area of the map, but the
GPS shows me there ok.

In another case, a map area was plotted with knowledge of a new development,
but major changes were made in the actual development, so the GPS addresses
have no correlation to many of the streets.

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31 Royal Hill
Greenwich
London
SE10 8RR

Just for sport, I just had a look for that address on my GPS. Would you
believe that there doesn't actually seem to be a street in London
called
"Royal Hill" ? Surprised me ...

Arfa



Would you believe there are many new streets in many countries that are
not
yet in GPS maps?


Greenwich ain't too new though ... !! Actually, I've come across this
before. I think that the search algorithm on my GPS is not terribly good
(it
is quite old). I've asked it for a route to somewhere that I know exists,
and it just denies that it is in the database. Then I go and look
manually
on the displayed map and lo! there it is ...

Arfa

I had that problem with my Magellan. Not with the TomTom though, what a
kick ass GPS. All my friends want to borrow the damn thing especially a
friend who is a retired Secret Service agent and now a private
investigator. I told him I was going to start renting it out so he went
and bough his own TomTom I guess the laugh is on me though because he
paid a lot less for his than mine and granted it isn't as sophisticated as
mine but it does the same things the same way.


My son has got a job as a relief manager for a chain of bookies, and they
keep sending him all over the entire area. His idea of local geography is -
how shall we put it kindly ? - lets say 'sketchy' at best, so he keeps
'borrowing' my GPS. So far, it seems to be finding all of the shops that he
has to get to, but sooner or later, I guess I'm going to be taking that
frantic phone call when both he, and the GPS, are utterly lost in a field
somewhere ... :-)

Arfa

Arfa Daily wrote:
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My son has got a job as a relief manager for a chain of bookies,...

Please do tell, what is a "chain of bookies"; across the pond the
term has a rather distinctive and unsavory meaning ;-)

Michael

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Arfa Daily wrote:
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My son has got a job as a relief manager for a chain of bookies,...

Please do tell, what is a "chain of bookies"; across the pond the
term has a rather distinctive and unsavory meaning ;-)

Michael

Ah. I seem to remember another American saying something similar to me ...
The term "Bookie" is an abbreviation for "Bookmaker" i.e. a person who
'makes a book' on a horse race or a dog race or a boxing match for instance.
These days, it's pretty much on any sporting event, or in fact, on anything
that you want to place a bet on. I'm pretty sure that this is the same your
side of the pond so far ?

OK. Well bookies here, have shops where the punters can go to place their
bets, watch the race, and pick up their winnings - if there are any. The
shops have direct satellite links to race TV operators, and tend to have a
number of TV sets in the shops. A bit like the sports book area in a Vegas
casino, but much much smaller. It is a totally legal business here, covered
by strict gaming laws and taxation regimes.

In years gone by, bookies' shops (or betting shops) were generally
less-than-salubrious, tending to be little back-street places, frequented by
people with a coat collar pulled up around their face. It was a legal
requirement for the shop windows to be completely opaque. They were often
family owned and passed from father to son. Bookies also operate "on
course", and often, these will be single people, standing on a small podium,
a bit like a carnival barker. They will make a book 'on the fly', and lay
off bets with other bookies around the course, if their own position becomes
too exposed. They communicate with each other via a very old and 'secret'
system of hand and finger gestures over their heads, called Tic Tac. On the
other hand, in the shops, the odds are all determined by computer these
days, and the bets are electronically recorded.

Most bookies' shops here now belong to large chains of operators like
Ladbrokes and BetFred and Coral, and their image has been cleaned up
considerably. They are no longer looked upon as somewhere that you don't
want to be seen going into. Many are bright, modern places on town high
streets, or located in shopping malls or entertainment centres. A 'day at
the races' is now promoted as a family fun occasion, although children are
not allowed in betting shops. They are open from 9:30 in the morning until
9:30 at night. Night-time used to be the preserve of dog racing, but
nowadays, horse racing tracks have floodlit night time meetings as well.

So, basically, he's just a relief manager for a chain of shops that sell
betting services rather than some other commodity. Is it a lot different
there ? In what way is the meaning "distinctive and unsavoury" ? Seems this
is another good example of two nations separated by a common language ...

Arfa

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My friend took my TomTom GPS to NYC last year. Doesn't work
downtown, none do as confirmed by cab drivers he asked.

What's the problem? Can't lock onto the GPS satellites?

By the way, just in case it isn't clear... GPS is a passive system. Contrary
to stuff you sometimes see on television, the receiver does not transmit to
the satellite.

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31 Royal Hill
Greenwich
London
SE10 8RR

Just for sport, I just had a look for that address on my GPS. Would
you
believe that there doesn't actually seem to be a street in London
called
"Royal Hill" ? Surprised me ...

Arfa



Would you believe there are many new streets in many countries that
are
not
yet in GPS maps?


Greenwich ain't too new though ... !! Actually, I've come across this
before. I think that the search algorithm on my GPS is not terribly
good
(it
is quite old). I've asked it for a route to somewhere that I know
exists,
and it just denies that it is in the database. Then I go and look
manually
on the displayed map and lo! there it is ...

Arfa

I had that problem with my Magellan. Not with the TomTom though, what a
kick ass GPS. All my friends want to borrow the damn thing especially a
friend who is a retired Secret Service agent and now a private
investigator. I told him I was going to start renting it out so he went
and bough his own TomTom I guess the laugh is on me though because he
paid a lot less for his than mine and granted it isn't as sophisticated
as
mine but it does the same things the same way.


My son has got a job as a relief manager for a chain of bookies, and they
keep sending him all over the entire area. His idea of local geography
is -
how shall we put it kindly ? - lets say 'sketchy' at best, so he keeps
'borrowing' my GPS. So far, it seems to be finding all of the shops that
he
has to get to, but sooner or later, I guess I'm going to be taking that
frantic phone call when both he, and the GPS, are utterly lost in a field
somewhere ... :-)

Arfa

My friend took my TomTom GPS to NYC last year. Doesn't work downtown, none
do as confirmed by cab drivers he asked.


I guess that might be to do with the very high buildings creating a 'tunnel'
to the sky. It would probably be quite hard to see enough sky to receive a
minimum 3 satellites. There are not actually that many of them, so you need
to have a clear radio-view of a good old wodge of blue, to get a 3 bird
lock.

As far as the bookie thing goes, it's academic now anyway, since today, he
had a big argument with the management about working hours and such, and has
now given notice to quit ! Now, just a question then. There is plenty of
horse racing and other 'bettable' sports in America, so how do you actually
place a bet, if you can't go into a shop to do it ?

Arfa

William Sommerwerck wrote:

"Meat Plow" wrote in message
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My friend took my TomTom GPS to NYC last year. Doesn't work
downtown, none do as confirmed by cab drivers he asked.

What's the problem? Can't lock onto the GPS satellites?


The tall metal buildings reflect so many signals that the GPS
receivers can't determine their actual location. The phase of the
signals are critical for the calculations.


By the way, just in case it isn't clear... GPS is a passive system. Contrary
to stuff you sometimes see on television, the receiver does not transmit to
the satellite.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

As far as the bookie thing goes, it's academic now anyway, since today,
he
had a big argument with the management about working hours and such, and
has
now given notice to quit ! Now, just a question then. There is plenty of
horse racing and other 'bettable' sports in America, so how do you
actually
place a bet, if you can't go into a shop to do it ?


You find a Bookie via word of mouth, friend's recommendation, someone in a
pub, don't really know for sure since I don't even buy scratch off lottery
tickets


So there is no 'official' (legal?) way to place a bet on a horse race ? If
that's the case, what is the point of having the races there ? How does
anyone make any money from them ? I guess it must be legal in Vegas and
Atlanta and Reno and so on, is it ? I've never really looked into the sports
book areas of the casinos, as it all looked a bit too complicated for me,
but do you place bets on horses there ? Is it a straight 'place to win' bet,
or can you do 'each way' and 'rollup' accumulator bets ? I'm really
interested in this, as I would not for one minute have expected that the UK
was more liberal than the US, in something like betting. Someone put me
straight on how it all works over there, please.

Arfa

I don't know anything about bookies, how that works.I once read a
magazine many years ago, the best way to bet on a winning horse is to
bet on the horse with the highest blood count.I have never bet on any
horses before.
cuhulin

Arfa Daily wrote:

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So there is no 'official' (legal?) way to place a bet on a horse race ? If
that's the case, what is the point of having the races there ? How does
anyone make any money from them ?

Ever see the movie "The Sting?" The popular perception of a bookie in the
U.S. is much like that depicted in the off-track betting operation setup
in that movie and countless others of similar style from the 1930's onward.
Sleazy, mob connections, etc.

Michael

Arfa Daily wrote:

"msg" wrote in message
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Arfa Daily wrote:
snip

My son has got a job as a relief manager for a chain of bookies,...

Please do tell, what is a "chain of bookies"; across the pond the
term has a rather distinctive and unsavory meaning ;-)

snip


OK. Well bookies here, have shops where the punters can go to place their
bets, watch the race, and pick up their winnings - if there are any. The
shops have direct satellite links to race TV operators, and tend to have a
number of TV sets in the shops. A bit like the sports book area in a Vegas
casino, but much much smaller. It is a totally legal business here, covered
by strict gaming laws and taxation regimes.

snip

Thanks for the revealing overview; I had no idea you had such an open system
there. Even Wikipedia has an article which includes much of your description,
but yours is more interesting ;-)

Michael

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"Arfa Daily" wrote:


As far as the bookie thing goes, it's academic now anyway, since today,
he
had a big argument with the management about working hours and such, and
has
now given notice to quit ! Now, just a question then. There is plenty of
horse racing and other 'bettable' sports in America, so how do you
actually
place a bet, if you can't go into a shop to do it ?


You find a Bookie via word of mouth, friend's recommendation, someone in a
pub, don't really know for sure since I don't even buy scratch off lottery
tickets


So there is no 'official' (legal?) way to place a bet on a horse race ? If
that's the case, what is the point of having the races there ? How does
anyone make any money from them ? I guess it must be legal in Vegas and
Atlanta and Reno and so on, is it ? I've never really looked into the sports
book areas of the casinos, as it all looked a bit too complicated for me,
but do you place bets on horses there ? Is it a straight 'place to win' bet,
or can you do 'each way' and 'rollup' accumulator bets ? I'm really
interested in this, as I would not for one minute have expected that the UK
was more liberal than the US, in something like betting. Someone put me
straight on how it all works over there, please.

Arfa

Not a gambler myself, Arfa, outside the slot machines when I go to Vegas
or an Indian casino. But I understand it used to be that the only legal
way to bet on horses, was to do so at the racetrack. Of course that
didn't stop bookies anymore than Prohibition stopped drinking.

Eventually some wise and perhaps greedy gov't officials decided to
license a certain number of "off-track betting" facilities, which go by
the widely recognized acronym OTB.

As far as the nature of the bets, there are many. Win, Place, Show, for
a particular horse, Pick Six, Trifecta, etc.

So there is no 'official' (legal?) way to place a bet on a horse race ?
If
that's the case, what is the point of having the races there ? How does
anyone make any money from them ? I guess it must be legal in Vegas and
Atlanta and Reno and so on, is it ? I've never really looked into the
sports
book areas of the casinos, as it all looked a bit too complicated for me,
but do you place bets on horses there ? Is it a straight 'place to win'
bet,
or can you do 'each way' and 'rollup' accumulator bets ? I'm really
interested in this, as I would not for one minute have expected that the
UK
was more liberal than the US, in something like betting. Someone put me
straight on how it all works over there, please.

Arfa

Not a gambler myself, Arfa, outside the slot machines when I go to Vegas
or an Indian casino. But I understand it used to be that the only legal
way to bet on horses, was to do so at the racetrack. Of course that
didn't stop bookies anymore than Prohibition stopped drinking.

Eventually some wise and perhaps greedy gov't officials decided to
license a certain number of "off-track betting" facilities, which go by
the widely recognized acronym OTB.

As far as the nature of the bets, there are many. Win, Place, Show, for
a particular horse, Pick Six, Trifecta, etc.

I am really REALLY surprised by all this. I have visited the States many,
many times, and have never realised that there is no official betting shop
networks. I am also really surprised that there is such a general lack of
knowledge on the subject. Over here, it is not at all uncommon to find shops
from two or even three different chains, all within 100 yards of each other.
I reckon that if you asked anyone in the country over the age of say 12 what
a betting shop was, and basically how it worked, they would be able to tell
you, even if their own family had no connection with them at all - I
wouldn't say that it was 'common' exactly for ordinary people to frequent
them. Other than my son, for instance, who works in one, I don't think that
I would be able to show you anyone in my entire extended family, who has
ever been in one in their life. You might try looking on YouTube to see if
anyone has placed a recent Derren Brown one-off show ( he's a sort of
'illusionist', but that really doesn't cover his many fascinating abilities,
based a lot on psychology of groups and maths. Think David Blaine + David
Copperfield + a university education + a wicked sense of humour ). It was
called "The System", and investigated whether a betting system guaranteed to
produce winners was possible, and then showed how one was. It was a very
clever and entertaining show. Anyway, you can see UK betting shops, and
on-course bookies operating in this show.

So, let me see if I have this straight. At an American horse race, there are
fully legal betting facilities. Off-course, there are fully legal betting
facilities, but only limited, and only government licensed. Presumably,
these licensed facilities can take a bet on any event ?

Boy oh boy. What a huge untapped market for this that you have ...

Arfa

In article ,
"Arfa Daily" wrote:

So there is no 'official' (legal?) way to place a bet on a horse race ?
If
that's the case, what is the point of having the races there ? How does
anyone make any money from them ? I guess it must be legal in Vegas and
Atlanta and Reno and so on, is it ? I've never really looked into the
sports
book areas of the casinos, as it all looked a bit too complicated for me,
but do you place bets on horses there ? Is it a straight 'place to win'
bet,
or can you do 'each way' and 'rollup' accumulator bets ? I'm really
interested in this, as I would not for one minute have expected that the
UK
was more liberal than the US, in something like betting. Someone put me
straight on how it all works over there, please.

Arfa

Not a gambler myself, Arfa, outside the slot machines when I go to Vegas
or an Indian casino. But I understand it used to be that the only legal
way to bet on horses, was to do so at the racetrack. Of course that
didn't stop bookies anymore than Prohibition stopped drinking.

Eventually some wise and perhaps greedy gov't officials decided to
license a certain number of "off-track betting" facilities, which go by
the widely recognized acronym OTB.

As far as the nature of the bets, there are many. Win, Place, Show, for
a particular horse, Pick Six, Trifecta, etc.

I am really REALLY surprised by all this. I have visited the States many,
many times, and have never realised that there is no official betting shop
networks. I am also really surprised that there is such a general lack of
knowledge on the subject. Over here, it is not at all uncommon to find shops
from two or even three different chains, all within 100 yards of each other.
I reckon that if you asked anyone in the country over the age of say 12 what
a betting shop was, and basically how it worked, they would be able to tell
you, even if their own family had no connection with them at all - I
wouldn't say that it was 'common' exactly for ordinary people to frequent
them. Other than my son, for instance, who works in one, I don't think that
I would be able to show you anyone in my entire extended family, who has
ever been in one in their life. You might try looking on YouTube to see if
anyone has placed a recent Derren Brown one-off show ( he's a sort of
'illusionist', but that really doesn't cover his many fascinating abilities,
based a lot on psychology of groups and maths. Think David Blaine + David
Copperfield + a university education + a wicked sense of humour ). It was
called "The System", and investigated whether a betting system guaranteed to
produce winners was possible, and then showed how one was. It was a very
clever and entertaining show. Anyway, you can see UK betting shops, and
on-course bookies operating in this show.

So, let me see if I have this straight. At an American horse race, there are
fully legal betting facilities. Off-course, there are fully legal betting
facilities, but only limited, and only government licensed. Presumably,
these licensed facilities can take a bet on any event ?

Boy oh boy. What a huge untapped market for this that you have ...

Arfa

That's my limited understanding. We're clinging to our Puritan heritage
over here. Gambling, drinking, and sex are all still sinful. Well, maybe
not drinking so much anymore, but you still have to have a license to
sell liquor. Said license can be extremely expensive (as much as $100k),
and extremely difficult to obtain. Hell, we still have "dry" states
here, where there are no bars, and the liquor stores are all owned by
the state.

I'd have to say that no one in my circle would be able to tell you where
to go to bet on a horse, or how to do it. In polite company, such
matters would likely be discussed in hushed tones if at all. I don't
think OTB facilities can take wagers on sporting events; I don't know
how that works. Most armchair sporting wagers are informal arrangements
between friends and co-workers, not involving any legal or illegal
bookie. The bet is placed by a handshake on Friday, and the $20 changes
hands on Monday at the coffee station.

"Meat Plow" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:40:11 +0000, Arfa Daily wrote:



So there is no 'official' (legal?) way to place a bet on a horse race ?
If
that's the case, what is the point of having the races there ? How does
anyone make any money from them ? I guess it must be legal in Vegas and
Atlanta and Reno and so on, is it ? I've never really looked into the
sports
book areas of the casinos, as it all looked a bit too complicated for
me,
but do you place bets on horses there ? Is it a straight 'place to win'
bet,
or can you do 'each way' and 'rollup' accumulator bets ? I'm really
interested in this, as I would not for one minute have expected that
the
UK
was more liberal than the US, in something like betting. Someone put me
straight on how it all works over there, please.

Arfa

Not a gambler myself, Arfa, outside the slot machines when I go to Vegas
or an Indian casino. But I understand it used to be that the only legal
way to bet on horses, was to do so at the racetrack. Of course that
didn't stop bookies anymore than Prohibition stopped drinking.

Eventually some wise and perhaps greedy gov't officials decided to
license a certain number of "off-track betting" facilities, which go by
the widely recognized acronym OTB.

As far as the nature of the bets, there are many. Win, Place, Show, for
a particular horse, Pick Six, Trifecta, etc.

I am really REALLY surprised by all this. I have visited the States many,
many times, and have never realised that there is no official betting
shop
networks. I am also really surprised that there is such a general lack of
knowledge on the subject. Over here, it is not at all uncommon to find
shops
from two or even three different chains, all within 100 yards of each
other.
I reckon that if you asked anyone in the country over the age of say 12
what
a betting shop was, and basically how it worked, they would be able to
tell
you, even if their own family had no connection with them at all - I
wouldn't say that it was 'common' exactly for ordinary people to frequent
them. Other than my son, for instance, who works in one, I don't think
that
I would be able to show you anyone in my entire extended family, who has
ever been in one in their life. You might try looking on YouTube to see
if
anyone has placed a recent Derren Brown one-off show ( he's a sort of
'illusionist', but that really doesn't cover his many fascinating
abilities,
based a lot on psychology of groups and maths. Think David Blaine + David
Copperfield + a university education + a wicked sense of humour ). It was
called "The System", and investigated whether a betting system guaranteed
to
produce winners was possible, and then showed how one was. It was a very
clever and entertaining show. Anyway, you can see UK betting shops, and
on-course bookies operating in this show.

So, let me see if I have this straight. At an American horse race, there
are
fully legal betting facilities. Off-course, there are fully legal betting
facilities, but only limited, and only government licensed. Presumably,
these licensed facilities can take a bet on any event ?

That about sums it up my friend. Legalized gambling takes place in casinos
in states where it's been voted in by the public. Hell you can't even play
a game of poker in your own home legally when the stakes is money.
Gambling is government controlled. However you can spend your life's
savings and every last cent you have on Government commissioned lottery
and instant lottery tickets at just about every convenience store and gas
station in every state.


Boy oh boy. What a huge untapped market for this that you have ...


Well yes and no considering again all the weekly, bi-weekly, daily and
instant lottery tickets that can be purchased on just about every street
corner dime store.

Unbelievable ! I never would have guessed that a country so advanced in
'western' ways, would still have had such quaint views on gambling in
general, and horse race betting in particular. The *really* amusing thing in
all of this, is that I can go into a betting shop here in the UK, and place
a bet on just about any horse at any meeting anywhere in the US. I'm pretty
sure that any shop would give me odds on any other US sporting event as
well. I'll have to check that with my son. Oh yes. And lottery. We too have
several of those ( UK, EU, Irish and so on ). Also scratch cards by the
bucketful in filling stations, supermarkets, every little newspaper shop and
so on. Also, every major (and quite a few minor) town and city has a bingo
hall where you will play up to 20 treble chance games in an evening, most of
which are worth several hundred UKP each, a couple worth several thousand
each, and also have a chance to win all or a share of a 'national' prize of
100k UKP every night. A couple of years back, I took a 1/16th share of that
amounting to over 6k UKP. These clubs are also full of slot machines. Only
requirement to take part, is that you are over 18, and a card-holding member
of one of the clubs in the group, or accompanying someone else who is, as
their guest(s).

What's *really* funny in all this though, is that recently, government plans
to start licensing very big casinos, were voted down. The basic war cry on
this was one of "We don't want no Vegas-style super-casinos here !" as
though we were trying to import some American nastiness into our otherwise
'tame' gambling scene ! It really needs to be the other way around I think,
with your side saying "we don't want no British bookies shops here !"

Arfa

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...

"Meat Plow" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:40:11 +0000, Arfa Daily wrote:



So there is no 'official' (legal?) way to place a bet on a horse race
?
If
that's the case, what is the point of having the races there ? How
does
anyone make any money from them ? I guess it must be legal in Vegas
and
Atlanta and Reno and so on, is it ? I've never really looked into the
sports
book areas of the casinos, as it all looked a bit too complicated for
me,
but do you place bets on horses there ? Is it a straight 'place to
win'
bet,
or can you do 'each way' and 'rollup' accumulator bets ? I'm really
interested in this, as I would not for one minute have expected that
the
UK
was more liberal than the US, in something like betting. Someone put
me
straight on how it all works over there, please.

Arfa

Not a gambler myself, Arfa, outside the slot machines when I go to
Vegas
or an Indian casino. But I understand it used to be that the only legal
way to bet on horses, was to do so at the racetrack. Of course that
didn't stop bookies anymore than Prohibition stopped drinking.

Eventually some wise and perhaps greedy gov't officials decided to
license a certain number of "off-track betting" facilities, which go by
the widely recognized acronym OTB.

As far as the nature of the bets, there are many. Win, Place, Show, for
a particular horse, Pick Six, Trifecta, etc.

I am really REALLY surprised by all this. I have visited the States
many,
many times, and have never realised that there is no official betting
shop
networks. I am also really surprised that there is such a general lack
of
knowledge on the subject. Over here, it is not at all uncommon to find
shops
from two or even three different chains, all within 100 yards of each
other.
I reckon that if you asked anyone in the country over the age of say 12
what
a betting shop was, and basically how it worked, they would be able to
tell
you, even if their own family had no connection with them at all - I
wouldn't say that it was 'common' exactly for ordinary people to
frequent
them. Other than my son, for instance, who works in one, I don't think
that
I would be able to show you anyone in my entire extended family, who has
ever been in one in their life. You might try looking on YouTube to see
if
anyone has placed a recent Derren Brown one-off show ( he's a sort of
'illusionist', but that really doesn't cover his many fascinating
abilities,
based a lot on psychology of groups and maths. Think David Blaine +
David
Copperfield + a university education + a wicked sense of humour ). It
was
called "The System", and investigated whether a betting system
guaranteed to
produce winners was possible, and then showed how one was. It was a very
clever and entertaining show. Anyway, you can see UK betting shops, and
on-course bookies operating in this show.

So, let me see if I have this straight. At an American horse race, there
are
fully legal betting facilities. Off-course, there are fully legal
betting
facilities, but only limited, and only government licensed. Presumably,
these licensed facilities can take a bet on any event ?

That about sums it up my friend. Legalized gambling takes place in
casinos
in states where it's been voted in by the public. Hell you can't even
play
a game of poker in your own home legally when the stakes is money.
Gambling is government controlled. However you can spend your life's
savings and every last cent you have on Government commissioned lottery
and instant lottery tickets at just about every convenience store and gas
station in every state.


Boy oh boy. What a huge untapped market for this that you have ...


Well yes and no considering again all the weekly, bi-weekly, daily and
instant lottery tickets that can be purchased on just about every street
corner dime store.

Unbelievable ! I never would have guessed that a country so advanced in
'western' ways, would still have had such quaint views on gambling in
general, and horse race betting in particular. The *really* amusing thing
in all of this, is that I can go into a betting shop here in the UK, and
place a bet on just about any horse at any meeting anywhere in the US. I'm
pretty sure that any shop would give me odds on any other US sporting
event as well. I'll have to check that with my son. Oh yes. And lottery.
We too have several of those ( UK, EU, Irish and so on ). Also scratch
cards by the bucketful in filling stations, supermarkets, every little
newspaper shop and so on. Also, every major (and quite a few minor) town
and city has a bingo hall where you will play up to 20 treble chance games
in an evening, most of which are worth several hundred UKP each, a couple
worth several thousand each, and also have a chance to win all or a share
of a 'national' prize of 100k UKP every night. A couple of years back, I
took a 1/16th share of that amounting to over 6k UKP. These clubs are also
full of slot machines. Only requirement to take part, is that you are over
18, and a card-holding member of one of the clubs in the group, or
accompanying someone else who is, as their guest(s).

What's *really* funny in all this though, is that recently, government
plans to start licensing very big casinos, were voted down. The basic war
cry on this was one of "We don't want no Vegas-style super-casinos here !"
as though we were trying to import some American nastiness into our
otherwise 'tame' gambling scene ! It really needs to be the other way
around I think, with your side saying "we don't want no British bookies
shops here !"

Arfa


OK, he just got in from work and I asked him about betting on US events. He
said that tonight, they were carrying racing from Philadelphia, so I could
have gone into the shop he was working in, 3 odd thousand miles away from
the race, and placed a bet on a horse running at that meeting, but someone
living 2 miles from the racetrack in the US, would not be able to do the
same ! How funny is that ? I asked him about other US sporting events, and
he says that they carry NFL matches as well ...

Arfa

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:43:57 GMT, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:



As far as the bookie thing goes, it's academic now anyway, since today,
he
had a big argument with the management about working hours and such, and
has
now given notice to quit ! Now, just a question then. There is plenty of
horse racing and other 'bettable' sports in America, so how do you
actually
place a bet, if you can't go into a shop to do it ?


You find a Bookie via word of mouth, friend's recommendation, someone in a
pub, don't really know for sure since I don't even buy scratch off lottery
tickets


So there is no 'official' (legal?) way to place a bet on a horse race ? If
that's the case, what is the point of having the races there ? How does
anyone make any money from them ? I guess it must be legal in Vegas and
Atlanta and Reno and so on, is it ? I've never really looked into the sports
book areas of the casinos, as it all looked a bit too complicated for me,
but do you place bets on horses there ? Is it a straight 'place to win' bet,
or can you do 'each way' and 'rollup' accumulator bets ? I'm really
interested in this, as I would not for one minute have expected that the UK
was more liberal than the US, in something like betting. Someone put me
straight on how it all works over there, please.

It's on a state-by-state basis. Off Track Betting does exist in some
states. See for example www.nycotb.com.

Meat Plow wrote:

Arfa said:



OK, he just got in from work and I asked him about betting on US events. He
said that tonight, they were carrying racing from Philadelphia, so I could
have gone into the shop he was working in, 3 odd thousand miles away from
the race, and placed a bet on a horse running at that meeting, but someone
living 2 miles from the racetrack in the US, would not be able to do the
same ! How funny is that ? I asked him about other US sporting events, and
he says that they carry NFL matches as well ...



I think in most Vegas casinos you can bet on NFL and other sports. The big
difference is that gambling is regulated here by the gubbermint and not
that it is totally illegal.
snip

Yeah, but in most states, OTB and other 'bookmaking' activity is illegal;
the image of the 'bookie' is still by and large an unsavory character
often associated with the Mob.

Michael