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This set has what sort of looks like retrace for the first two or
three inches down from the top. I found a 100uf 16V high ESR
electrolytic in the vertical circuit but replacing it didn't seem to
help. The thing is when watching a program with full screen the
problem is usually there constantly. However when the commercials come
on sometimes they appear to be shown in wide format with the top and
bottom black for the first inch or so. It is during these times that
there doesn't seem to be a problem. It seems to depend on what
commercial is showing and sometimes the luminence level that brings
it on. Does this seem like anyhing common on this set? Thanks. Lenny.
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You still have problems in the vertical deflection circuits, probably
another flakey electrolytic, may even be in the supply circuit to the
vertical. FWIW, check the connections at the vertical iutput ic also, seen
way too many of these with cracked solder connections at the pcb.
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This set has what sort of looks like retrace for the first two or
three inches down from the top. I found a 100uf 16V high ESR
electrolytic in the vertical circuit but replacing it didn't seem to
help. The thing is when watching a program with full screen the
problem is usually there constantly. However when the commercials come
on sometimes they appear to be shown in wide format with the top and
bottom black for the first inch or so. It is during these times that
there doesn't seem to be a problem. It seems to depend on what
commercial is showing and sometimes the luminence level that brings
it on. Does this seem like anyhing common on this set? Thanks. Lenny.



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This set has what sort of looks like retrace for the first two or
three inches down from the top. I found a 100uf 16V high ESR
electrolytic in the vertical circuit but replacing it didn't seem to
help.


I wonder how often in this NG it is simply advised to replace caps.
Wouldn't I have a general confidence in people, I would have to
suspect that some of the respective authors are cousins, nephews,
husbands, sons, fathers or other relatives of cap manufacturers.

Whereas it may be true, that aged caps do have their share in old
device trouble, this does imho not justify to do trial and error
exchanges without reason.

Please correct me, if I'm wrong in the assumption, that retrace is
blanked by a signal to the CRT, and if that signal is misshaped,
does not arrive in time with necessary amplitude, or meets other
unfavorable conditions at the CRT, then the retrace can become
visible. Thus it would be nice in those instances to sit over the
schematic, follow the path of the blanking signal and to ponder,
what could interfere there.

Regards,
H.


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Retrace: Persay, would be visable normally throughout the whole screen, in
all areas of the raster, especially if the g2 bias is adjusted too high or
there is a problem is the supply circuit for the g2. Faults in teh video
processing and biasing can also cause retrace lines beng visable. Easily
visable on an unused video input when adjusting the G2 control on the LOPT.
Advancing the control will cause the screen to brighten a bit before the
retrace lines become visable, reversing the control will deminsh the
intensity of the retrace lines with correct adjustment to a point where the
retrace lines are not visable.
Having "Foldover" at the top of the raster, indicated initially by the top
portion of the raster being folder over onto the top of the rater. This
symptom is normally caused by a fault in the vertical frame deflection
circuitry, commonly either failing electrolytic capacitors and/or a
defective active vertical deflection devices, be it an ic or descrete
transistors.
Systomatic description, in the original post, indicate the lines are visable
only in the top of the raster, therefore the probable diagnostics of
vertical frame deflection fault. BTW: Wish I had a nickel for every
defective or leaky electrolytic capacitor that actually cures this specific
symptom, and no, I do not own stock in any manufacturer using 'Fish Oil' as
part of the dielectric within their components.
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This set has what sort of looks like retrace for the first two or
three inches down from the top. I found a 100uf 16V high ESR
electrolytic in the vertical circuit but replacing it didn't seem to
help.


I wonder how often in this NG it is simply advised to replace caps.
Wouldn't I have a general confidence in people, I would have to
suspect that some of the respective authors are cousins, nephews,
husbands, sons, fathers or other relatives of cap manufacturers.

Whereas it may be true, that aged caps do have their share in old
device trouble, this does imho not justify to do trial and error
exchanges without reason.

Please correct me, if I'm wrong in the assumption, that retrace is
blanked by a signal to the CRT, and if that signal is misshaped,
does not arrive in time with necessary amplitude, or meets other
unfavorable conditions at the CRT, then the retrace can become
visible. Thus it would be nice in those instances to sit over the
schematic, follow the path of the blanking signal and to ponder,
what could interfere there.

Regards,
H.



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Retrace: Persay, would be visable normally throughout the whole screen,


I have an old TV set which regularly shows a few retrace lines at the
top of the screen if it receives a program with videotext data, but is
fine with "normal" programs. I suppose the blank pulse timing is
somewhat disturbed by the videotext signals, which they didn't know
of at the devices creation day.

Having "Foldover" at the top of the raster, indicated initially by the top
portion of the raster being folder over onto the top of the rater. This
symptom is normally caused by a fault in the vertical frame deflection
circuitry, commonly either failing electrolytic capacitors and/or a
defective active vertical deflection devices, be it an ic or descrete
transistors.


Yes. I had that once, the cause being a defective TDA-something.
These get rather hot - more so, if the manufacturer tries to squeeze
out the last nickel by saving on the heat sink.

BTW: Wish I had a nickel for every
defective or leaky electrolytic capacitor that actually cures this specific
symptom,


I can't say that to replace electrolytic caps would have saved me
much work.

Regards,
H.

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