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Hello, i have a problem with a 3801 denon receiver, ..I bought this
receiver from a guy on the internet, said to be in exellent shape, when it arrived, i plugged it in and it will not do anything, no display, no standby light, no click when you hit power switch nothing. I have checked all 7 fuses on the receiver with an ohm meter, they are all ok. checked voltage where power cord plugs into board, shows 120 volts, if you unplug receiver and checked switched outlet on back of receiver, the outles show open with ohm meter, unplug yellow and white wire on transformer to board and now switched outlets are no longer reading open....does this sound like a power transformer, any way to test? |
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wrote in message oups.com... Hello, i have a problem with a 3801 denon receiver, ..I bought this receiver from a guy on the internet, said to be in exellent shape, when it arrived, i plugged it in and it will not do anything, no display, no standby light, no click when you hit power switch nothing. I have checked all 7 fuses on the receiver with an ohm meter, they are all ok. checked voltage where power cord plugs into board, shows 120 volts, if you unplug receiver and checked switched outlet on back of receiver, the outles show open with ohm meter, unplug yellow and white wire on transformer to board and now switched outlets are no longer reading open....does this sound like a power transformer, any way to test? I don't understand your assertion that the switched outlet reads "open" with an ohm meter, then doesn't when the white / yellow lead is unplugged. Are you sure you don't mean that you read a short, or at least a low reading, when the plug is in, and then an open when it is unplugged ? That situation works, as the back panel socket, will be connected in parallel with the power transformer primary, which is itself switched via a relay. The fact that you do read this low value ( I believe ) would indicate that the primary of the main tx is ok. As the seller said that the unit was ok, I would suspect that it might have taken a knock in transport, and you should be looking for fractured print on the power input board, particularly where any pins from the transformers are connected. I have seen this many times. Examine all print around the power input and transformers very carefully with a magnifying glass if necessary. I'm willing to bet you will find your problem quickly, if you know what you are looking for. Arfa |
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Arfa Daily wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Hello, i have a problem with a 3801 denon receiver, ..I bought this receiver from a guy on the internet, said to be in exellent shape, when it arrived, i plugged it in and it will not do anything, no display, no standby light, no click when you hit power switch nothing. I have checked all 7 fuses on the receiver with an ohm meter, they are all ok. checked voltage where power cord plugs into board, shows 120 volts, if you unplug receiver and checked switched outlet on back of receiver, the outles show open with ohm meter, unplug yellow and white wire on transformer to board and now switched outlets are no longer reading open....does this sound like a power transformer, any way to test? I don't understand your assertion that the switched outlet reads "open" with an ohm meter, then doesn't when the white / yellow lead is unplugged. Are you sure you don't mean that you read a short, or at least a low reading, when the plug is in, and then an open when it is unplugged ? That situation works, as the back panel socket, will be connected in parallel with the power transformer primary, which is itself switched via a relay. The fact that you do read this low value ( I believe ) would indicate that the primary of the main tx is ok. As the seller said that the unit was ok, I would suspect that it might have taken a knock in transport, and you should be looking for fractured print on the power input board, particularly where any pins from the transformers are connected. I have seen this many times. Examine all print around the power input and transformers very carefully with a magnifying glass if necessary. I'm willing to bet you will find your problem quickly, if you know what you are looking for. well i have looked it over some more...still havent found much...looked for fractured print, no luck yet. I did get the dmm back out, to check voltages...not getting volatge anywhere on the board exept where the power cord it plugging into board, checked for voltage at the 2 main fuses..nothing, checked for voltage on every wire on power transformer, nothing there either Thanks in advance Arfa |
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JR wrote: Arfa Daily wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Hello, i have a problem with a 3801 denon receiver, ..I bought this receiver from a guy on the internet, said to be in exellent shape, when it arrived, i plugged it in and it will not do anything, no display, no standby light, no click when you hit power switch nothing. I have checked all 7 fuses on the receiver with an ohm meter, they are all ok. checked voltage where power cord plugs into board, shows 120 volts, if you unplug receiver and checked switched outlet on back of receiver, the outles show open with ohm meter, unplug yellow and white wire on transformer to board and now switched outlets are no longer reading open....does this sound like a power transformer, any way to test? I don't understand your assertion that the switched outlet reads "open" with an ohm meter, then doesn't when the white / yellow lead is unplugged. Are you sure you don't mean that you read a short, or at least a low reading, when the plug is in, and then an open when it is unplugged ? That situation works, as the back panel socket, will be connected in parallel with the power transformer primary, which is itself switched via a relay. The fact that you do read this low value ( I believe ) would indicate that the primary of the main tx is ok. As the seller said that the unit was ok, I would suspect that it might have taken a knock in transport, and you should be looking for fractured print on the power input board, particularly where any pins from the transformers are connected. I have seen this many times. Examine all print around the power input and transformers very carefully with a magnifying glass if necessary. I'm willing to bet you will find your problem quickly, if you know what you are looking for. well i have looked it over some more...still havent found much...looked for fractured print, no luck yet. I did get the dmm back out, to check voltages...not getting volatge anywhere on the board exept where the power cord it plugging into board, checked for voltage at the 2 main fuses..nothing, checked for voltage on every wire on power transformer, nothing there either Thanks in advance Arfa if i unplug the yellow and white wires from transformer, i then have voltage at main fuses, plug the connector back in, no voltage at fuses, also there is 2 red and 1 black wires on transformer...checking between the red and black shows shorted, the guy i bought it from said he heard a pop when it quit, and he supposedly replaced fuses.... |
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"JR" wrote in message ups.com... JR wrote: Arfa Daily wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Hello, i have a problem with a 3801 denon receiver, ..I bought this receiver from a guy on the internet, said to be in exellent shape, when it arrived, i plugged it in and it will not do anything, no display, no standby light, no click when you hit power switch nothing. I have checked all 7 fuses on the receiver with an ohm meter, they are all ok. checked voltage where power cord plugs into board, shows 120 volts, if you unplug receiver and checked switched outlet on back of receiver, the outles show open with ohm meter, unplug yellow and white wire on transformer to board and now switched outlets are no longer reading open....does this sound like a power transformer, any way to test? I don't understand your assertion that the switched outlet reads "open" with an ohm meter, then doesn't when the white / yellow lead is unplugged. Are you sure you don't mean that you read a short, or at least a low reading, when the plug is in, and then an open when it is unplugged ? That situation works, as the back panel socket, will be connected in parallel with the power transformer primary, which is itself switched via a relay. The fact that you do read this low value ( I believe ) would indicate that the primary of the main tx is ok. As the seller said that the unit was ok, I would suspect that it might have taken a knock in transport, and you should be looking for fractured print on the power input board, particularly where any pins from the transformers are connected. I have seen this many times. Examine all print around the power input and transformers very carefully with a magnifying glass if necessary. I'm willing to bet you will find your problem quickly, if you know what you are looking for. well i have looked it over some more...still havent found much...looked for fractured print, no luck yet. I did get the dmm back out, to check voltages...not getting volatge anywhere on the board exept where the power cord it plugging into board, checked for voltage at the 2 main fuses..nothing, checked for voltage on every wire on power transformer, nothing there either Thanks in advance Arfa if i unplug the yellow and white wires from transformer, i then have voltage at main fuses, plug the connector back in, no voltage at fuses, also there is 2 red and 1 black wires on transformer...checking between the red and black shows shorted, the guy i bought it from said he heard a pop when it quit, and he supposedly replaced fuses.... Ah, then it's not quite as straightforward as you originally implied. I got the impression that the guy who sold it was saying that it was working when it left him. I am not liking the sound of popping coming from it. I can make no sense of the voltage readings you appear to be getting. The system is straightforward enough if it's the model I think it is. As far as I remember, there is a standby supply which powers the system micro, and provides a supply for a relay, which is driven by a power on signal from said micro. The relay switches power to the primary of the main power transformer. It is quite common for the thermal fuse in the primary of the main power transformer to fail, but the symptoms of that are that the unit powers on, in as much as the relay will click, but nothing else happens, no display, no sound, nothing. You need to determine if the standby supply is established, and if not, why not. The incoming power lead should be connected almost directly to the standby tx primary. Arfa |
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Arfa Daily wrote: "JR" wrote in message ups.com... JR wrote: Arfa Daily wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Hello, i have a problem with a 3801 denon receiver, ..I bought this receiver from a guy on the internet, said to be in exellent shape, when it arrived, i plugged it in and it will not do anything, no display, no standby light, no click when you hit power switch nothing. I have checked all 7 fuses on the receiver with an ohm meter, they are all ok. checked voltage where power cord plugs into board, shows 120 volts, if you unplug receiver and checked switched outlet on back of receiver, the outles show open with ohm meter, unplug yellow and white wire on transformer to board and now switched outlets are no longer reading open....does this sound like a power transformer, any way to test? I don't understand your assertion that the switched outlet reads "open" with an ohm meter, then doesn't when the white / yellow lead is unplugged. Are you sure you don't mean that you read a short, or at least a low reading, when the plug is in, and then an open when it is unplugged ? That situation works, as the back panel socket, will be connected in parallel with the power transformer primary, which is itself switched via a relay. The fact that you do read this low value ( I believe ) would indicate that the primary of the main tx is ok. As the seller said that the unit was ok, I would suspect that it might have taken a knock in transport, and you should be looking for fractured print on the power input board, particularly where any pins from the transformers are connected. I have seen this many times. Examine all print around the power input and transformers very carefully with a magnifying glass if necessary. I'm willing to bet you will find your problem quickly, if you know what you are looking for. well i have looked it over some more...still havent found much...looked for fractured print, no luck yet. I did get the dmm back out, to check voltages...not getting volatge anywhere on the board exept where the power cord it plugging into board, checked for voltage at the 2 main fuses..nothing, checked for voltage on every wire on power transformer, nothing there either Thanks in advance Arfa if i unplug the yellow and white wires from transformer, i then have voltage at main fuses, plug the connector back in, no voltage at fuses, also there is 2 red and 1 black wires on transformer...checking between the red and black shows shorted, the guy i bought it from said he heard a pop when it quit, and he supposedly replaced fuses.... Ah, then it's not quite as straightforward as you originally implied. I got the impression that the guy who sold it was saying that it was working when it left him. I am not liking the sound of popping coming from it. I can make no sense of the voltage readings you appear to be getting. The system is straightforward enough if it's the model I think it is. As far as I remember, there is a standby supply which powers the system micro, and provides a supply for a relay, which is driven by a power on signal from said micro. The relay switches power to the primary of the main power transformer. It is quite common for the thermal fuse in the primary of the main power transformer to fail, but the symptoms of that are that the unit powers on, in as much as the relay will click, but nothing else happens, no display, no sound, nothing. You need to determine if the standby supply is established, and if not, why not. The incoming power lead should be connected almost directly to the standby tx primary. Arfa well he claims that after the pop and everything shutoff, he replaced the fuses and it started working. Yet when i received it , no nothing, so i dont know if he is telling the truth or not. I paid him 300 and he wont refund, so i basically got burned, just trying to get it to work so i dont have to pour a alot more into...not sure how much it would cost at a shop, also no one around here works on them so i would have to ship... well no clicking when plugging in or pushing power button..the power button dont feel right to me either..at least not like my onkyo receiver...ive about give up...i dont have a schematic to follow, and so im just guessing |
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Jim Land NO SPAM wrote: wrote in news:1166295094.094869.311800 @j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: Hello, i have a problem with a 3801 denon receiver, ..I bought this receiver from a guy on the internet, said to be in exellent shape, when it arrived, i plugged it in and it will not do anything, no display, no standby light, no click when you hit power switch nothing. DOA. Return it. he refuses to refund money...tried filing a claim with paypal...no luck...im stuck with it |
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Jim Land NO SPAM wrote: wrote in news:1166295094.094869.311800 @j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: Hello, i have a problem with a 3801 denon receiver, ..I bought this receiver from a guy on the internet, said to be in exellent shape, when it arrived, i plugged it in and it will not do anything, no display, no standby light, no click when you hit power switch nothing. DOA. Return it. he refuses to refund money...tried filing a claim with paypal...no luck...im stuck with it I might be able to send a PDF of the manual - it would be a pretty big PDF. What size attachment can you take, and is jrgreene1968ATsuddenlink.net a valid e-mail address? Mark Z. |
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Mark D. Zacharias wrote: JR wrote: Jim Land NO SPAM wrote: wrote in news:1166295094.094869.311800 @j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: Hello, i have a problem with a 3801 denon receiver, ..I bought this receiver from a guy on the internet, said to be in exellent shape, when it arrived, i plugged it in and it will not do anything, no display, no standby light, no click when you hit power switch nothing. DOA. Return it. he refuses to refund money...tried filing a claim with paypal...no luck...im stuck with it I might be able to send a PDF of the manual - it would be a pretty big PDF. What size attachment can you take, and is jrgreene1968ATsuddenlink.net a valid e-mail address? Mark Z. man that would be great...i should be able to accept a large attachment, and yes that is the right e-mail addy Thanks alot |
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"JR" wrote in message ups.com... well he claims that after the pop and everything shutoff, he replaced the fuses and it started working. Yet when i received it , no nothing, so i dont know if he is telling the truth or not. I paid him 300 and he wont refund, so i basically got burned, just trying to get it to work so i dont have to pour a alot more into... I've found that paypal is absolutely NO help whatsoever in these types of disputes... their "buyer protection" hooplah is a load of crap. One time I did not receive a relatively expensive item which I purchased on eBay and paid for with paypal. Now it doesn't get any more straightforward than that. I paid for something which I did not get. Well, I can't remember the rationale, but PayPal didn't seem to think it had anything to do with them... However, I have also found that VISA has been extremely helpful... if I get burned on any type of internet purchase, my VISA issuer will cover it when others will not. LEAVE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK ON EBAY FOR THIS TURD. good luck with the amp, you'll get it going. Power problems are about the easiest to diagnose although not necessarily the cheapest to fix... |
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"Dave" wrote in message news:Hryhh.81645$hn.12460@edtnps82... I've found that paypal is absolutely NO help whatsoever in these types of disputes... their "buyer protection" hooplah is a load of crap. One time I did not receive a relatively expensive item which I purchased on eBay and paid for with paypal. Now it doesn't get any more straightforward than that. I paid for something which I did not get. Well, I can't remember the rationale, but PayPal didn't seem to think it had anything to do with them... It's taken a while but they are actually pretty good now. I've had half a dozen full refunds from them for fake items or non ships. You MUST file within the deadlines. Even if you think the guy MIGHT still ship, FILE! You can always cancel the complaint if he comes through. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bad-eBay-Sellers -- |
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Mark D. Zacharias wrote: wrote: Hello, i have a problem with a 3801 denon receiver, ..I bought this receiver from a guy on the internet, said to be in exellent shape, when it arrived, i plugged it in and it will not do anything, no display, no standby light, no click when you hit power switch nothing. I have checked all 7 fuses on the receiver with an ohm meter, they are all ok. checked voltage where power cord plugs into board, shows 120 volts, if you unplug receiver and checked switched outlet on back of receiver, the outles show open with ohm meter, unplug yellow and white wire on transformer to board and now switched outlets are no longer reading open....does this sound like a power transformer, any way to test? OK, tried to send you the manual - it bounced because it was too big. I'l split it and send it in 2 parts. Mark Z. man i really appreciate it...it looks like i have a bad relay, im gonna get on the phone and see if i can find parts |
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Mark D. Zacharias wrote: wrote: Hello, i have a problem with a 3801 denon receiver, ..I bought this receiver from a guy on the internet, said to be in exellent shape, when it arrived, i plugged it in and it will not do anything, no display, no standby light, no click when you hit power switch nothing. I have checked all 7 fuses on the receiver with an ohm meter, they are all ok. checked voltage where power cord plugs into board, shows 120 volts, if you unplug receiver and checked switched outlet on back of receiver, the outles show open with ohm meter, unplug yellow and white wire on transformer to board and now switched outlets are no longer reading open....does this sound like a power transformer, any way to test? OK, tried to send you the manual - it bounced because it was too big. I'l split it and send it in 2 parts. Mark Z. man i really appreciate it...it looks like i have a bad relay, im gonna get on the phone and see if i can find parts Actually had to split it into about 6 parts. What a pain.These PDF split programs could be better designed. One has to experiment with page ranges, etc to get an acceptable size. Could be done better with a graphical interface. I really doubt you have a bad relay, more likely a circuit board crack. Mark Z. |
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"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... JR wrote: Mark D. Zacharias wrote: wrote: Hello, i have a problem with a 3801 denon receiver, ..I bought this receiver from a guy on the internet, said to be in exellent shape, when it arrived, i plugged it in and it will not do anything, no display, no standby light, no click when you hit power switch nothing. I have checked all 7 fuses on the receiver with an ohm meter, they are all ok. checked voltage where power cord plugs into board, shows 120 volts, if you unplug receiver and checked switched outlet on back of receiver, the outles show open with ohm meter, unplug yellow and white wire on transformer to board and now switched outlets are no longer reading open....does this sound like a power transformer, any way to test? OK, tried to send you the manual - it bounced because it was too big. I'l split it and send it in 2 parts. Mark Z. man i really appreciate it...it looks like i have a bad relay, im gonna get on the phone and see if i can find parts Actually had to split it into about 6 parts. What a pain.These PDF split programs could be better designed. One has to experiment with page ranges, etc to get an acceptable size. Could be done better with a graphical interface. I really doubt you have a bad relay, more likely a circuit board crack. Mark Z. Agreed Arfa |
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Arfa Daily wrote: "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... JR wrote: Mark D. Zacharias wrote: wrote: Hello, i have a problem with a 3801 denon receiver, ..I bought this receiver from a guy on the internet, said to be in exellent shape, when it arrived, i plugged it in and it will not do anything, no display, no standby light, no click when you hit power switch nothing. I have checked all 7 fuses on the receiver with an ohm meter, they are all ok. checked voltage where power cord plugs into board, shows 120 volts, if you unplug receiver and checked switched outlet on back of receiver, the outles show open with ohm meter, unplug yellow and white wire on transformer to board and now switched outlets are no longer reading open....does this sound like a power transformer, any way to test? OK, tried to send you the manual - it bounced because it was too big. I'l split it and send it in 2 parts. Mark Z. man i really appreciate it...it looks like i have a bad relay, im gonna get on the phone and see if i can find parts Actually had to split it into about 6 parts. What a pain.These PDF split programs could be better designed. One has to experiment with page ranges, etc to get an acceptable size. Could be done better with a graphical interface. I really doubt you have a bad relay, more likely a circuit board crack. Mark Z. Agreed Arfa well i finally give up, couldnt find the problem, so i sent it off to an authorized denon repair center, they called me today, said the micro processor is out, and probably alot more but they would ave to replace processor before doing any more troubleshooting...i said..how much? he replied, 170.00 to replace processor and as much as 760.00 for other problems, i told them to forget it and send it back to me, so i guess im back to the drawing board |
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JR wrote:
Arfa Daily wrote: "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... JR wrote: Mark D. Zacharias wrote: wrote: Hello, i have a problem with a 3801 denon receiver, ..I bought this receiver from a guy on the internet, said to be in exellent shape, when it arrived, i plugged it in and it will not do anything, no display, no standby light, no click when you hit power switch nothing. I have checked all 7 fuses on the receiver with an ohm meter, they are all ok. checked voltage where power cord plugs into board, shows 120 volts, if you unplug receiver and checked switched outlet on back of receiver, the outles show open with ohm meter, unplug yellow and white wire on transformer to board and now switched outlets are no longer reading open....does this sound like a power transformer, any way to test? OK, tried to send you the manual - it bounced because it was too big. I'l split it and send it in 2 parts. Mark Z. man i really appreciate it...it looks like i have a bad relay, im gonna get on the phone and see if i can find parts Actually had to split it into about 6 parts. What a pain.These PDF split programs could be better designed. One has to experiment with page ranges, etc to get an acceptable size. Could be done better with a graphical interface. I really doubt you have a bad relay, more likely a circuit board crack. Mark Z. Agreed Arfa well i finally give up, couldnt find the problem, so i sent it off to an authorized denon repair center, they called me today, said the micro processor is out, and probably alot more but they would ave to replace processor before doing any more troubleshooting...i said..how much? he replied, 170.00 to replace processor and as much as 760.00 for other problems, i told them to forget it and send it back to me, so i guess im back to the drawing board OK, read the other post which didn't really express the "two-tiered" estimate. I can understand the possibility that the shop, after not finding any obvious cracks, etc gave the estimate to replace the micro as an initial step. Done this myself sometimes, usually after a lightning strike. I'll tell the insurance company it's so much to replace the micro, win, lose or draw - then we'll see what doesn't work after that. Mark Z. |
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Mark D. Zacharias wrote: JR wrote: Arfa Daily wrote: "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... JR wrote: Mark D. Zacharias wrote: wrote: Hello, i have a problem with a 3801 denon receiver, ..I bought this receiver from a guy on the internet, said to be in exellent shape, when it arrived, i plugged it in and it will not do anything, no display, no standby light, no click when you hit power switch nothing. I have checked all 7 fuses on the receiver with an ohm meter, they are all ok. checked voltage where power cord plugs into board, shows 120 volts, if you unplug receiver and checked switched outlet on back of receiver, the outles show open with ohm meter, unplug yellow and white wire on transformer to board and now switched outlets are no longer reading open....does this sound like a power transformer, any way to test? OK, tried to send you the manual - it bounced because it was too big. I'l split it and send it in 2 parts. Mark Z. man i really appreciate it...it looks like i have a bad relay, im gonna get on the phone and see if i can find parts Actually had to split it into about 6 parts. What a pain.These PDF split programs could be better designed. One has to experiment with page ranges, etc to get an acceptable size. Could be done better with a graphical interface. I really doubt you have a bad relay, more likely a circuit board crack. Mark Z. Agreed Arfa well i finally give up, couldnt find the problem, so i sent it off to an authorized denon repair center, they called me today, said the micro processor is out, and probably alot more but they would ave to replace processor before doing any more troubleshooting...i said..how much? he replied, 170.00 to replace processor and as much as 760.00 for other problems, i told them to forget it and send it back to me, so i guess im back to the drawing board OK, read the other post which didn't really express the "two-tiered" estimate. I can understand the possibility that the shop, after not finding any obvious cracks, etc gave the estimate to replace the micro as an initial step. Done this myself sometimes, usually after a lightning strike. I'll tell the insurance company it's so much to replace the micro, win, lose or draw - then we'll see what doesn't work after that. Mark Z. well i have pulled receiver apart, and have been checking traces with ohm meter. I have traced voltage from ac input all the way to a capacitor right before the relay, i have voltage on 1 side of the cap but nothing on the other side, i checked the cap with a ohm meter also it shows nothing..according to the schematic the power has to come through this cap and relay before going into the fuses...could the c525 cap be causing all this problem |
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JR wrote: Mark D. Zacharias wrote: JR wrote: Arfa Daily wrote: "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... JR wrote: Mark D. Zacharias wrote: wrote: Hello, i have a problem with a 3801 denon receiver, ..I bought this receiver from a guy on the internet, said to be in exellent shape, when it arrived, i plugged it in and it will not do anything, no display, no standby light, no click when you hit power switch nothing. I have checked all 7 fuses on the receiver with an ohm meter, they are all ok. checked voltage where power cord plugs into board, shows 120 volts, if you unplug receiver and checked switched outlet on back of receiver, the outles show open with ohm meter, unplug yellow and white wire on transformer to board and now switched outlets are no longer reading open....does this sound like a power transformer, any way to test? OK, tried to send you the manual - it bounced because it was too big. I'l split it and send it in 2 parts. Mark Z. man i really appreciate it...it looks like i have a bad relay, im gonna get on the phone and see if i can find parts Actually had to split it into about 6 parts. What a pain.These PDF split programs could be better designed. One has to experiment with page ranges, etc to get an acceptable size. Could be done better with a graphical interface. I really doubt you have a bad relay, more likely a circuit board crack. Mark Z. Agreed Arfa well i finally give up, couldnt find the problem, so i sent it off to an authorized denon repair center, they called me today, said the micro processor is out, and probably alot more but they would ave to replace processor before doing any more troubleshooting...i said..how much? he replied, 170.00 to replace processor and as much as 760.00 for other problems, i told them to forget it and send it back to me, so i guess im back to the drawing board OK, read the other post which didn't really express the "two-tiered" estimate. I can understand the possibility that the shop, after not finding any obvious cracks, etc gave the estimate to replace the micro as an initial step. Done this myself sometimes, usually after a lightning strike. I'll tell the insurance company it's so much to replace the micro, win, lose or draw - then we'll see what doesn't work after that. Mark Z. well i have pulled receiver apart, and have been checking traces with ohm meter. I have traced voltage from ac input all the way to a capacitor right before the relay, i have voltage on 1 side of the cap but nothing on the other side, i checked the cap with a ohm meter also it shows nothing..according to the schematic the power has to come through this cap and relay before going into the fuses...could the c525 cap be causing all this problem i just found several problems....it looks like lightning must have got this thing, or the guy majorly shorted it out..i checked readings against a good working receiver...found mini trans bad, 1 bad cap, several resistors bad, etc etc... |
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JR wrote: snip i just found several problems....it looks like lightning must have got this thing, or the guy majorly shorted it out..i checked readings against a good working receiver...found mini trans bad, 1 bad cap, several resistors bad, etc etc... Boy, I'm really beginning to hate this service manual. Well, you can try subbing in a dc voltage at the 5 volt regulator, and see if the micro responds when you press the power button. You can sub in 10 volts or so at C522, or if the IC protector is open, you can sub in right there at IC 501. Mark Z. |
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