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Just accidentally bought a Gaggia Coffee Espresso which works on 240 volts.
Is it possible to rewire it for 120V please? Or is the transformer different? Does anyone know if this would be a major pain in the neck to change or if there is an exploded view anywhere? I have tried using a reasonably powerful voltage converter and it blew the fuse immediately! It is a curious wide, lower-slung very modern all stainless steel unit with three side-by-side buttons, not the one looking like the Baby shown at http://www.wholelattelove.com/Gaggia/newcoffee.cfm I am trying to replace my Baby which endemically cant produce crema or proper coffee consistently and leaks like a sieve. (I am hoping these units aren't the same inside but clothed in different outer casings) |
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You would have to replace the heating element (which is integrated into the
top of the boiler) and the pump which would not be economical. If you buy a proper step up transformer rated at 1500 or 2000 watts and use it on a circuit of the proper rating (at least 15 amps) and without any other loads on the circuit it should work. A transformer of this size is not like the little travel converters - it weighs around 30 lbs. and costs around $75, roughly. Or you could have an electrician install a 240 v circuit. If you have an electric range or clothes dryer you already have 240V in your kitchen/laundry and every home/ apartment has it coming into their panel box. "news.rcn.com" news.rnc.com wrote in message ... Just accidentally bought a Gaggia Coffee Espresso which works on 240 volts. Is it possible to rewire it for 120V please? Or is the transformer different? Does anyone know if this would be a major pain in the neck to change or if there is an exploded view anywhere? I have tried using a reasonably powerful voltage converter and it blew the fuse immediately! It is a curious wide, lower-slung very modern all stainless steel unit with three side-by-side buttons, not the one looking like the Baby shown at http://www.wholelattelove.com/Gaggia/newcoffee.cfm I am trying to replace my Baby which endemically cant produce crema or proper coffee consistently and leaks like a sieve. (I am hoping these units aren't the same inside but clothed in different outer casings) |
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"Jack Denver" wrote in message . .. You would have to replace the heating element (which is integrated into the top of the boiler) and the pump which would not be economical. If you buy a proper step up transformer rated at 1500 or 2000 watts and use it on a circuit of the proper rating (at least 15 amps) and without any other loads on the circuit it should work. A transformer of this size is not like the little travel converters - it weighs around 30 lbs. and costs around $75, roughly. Or you could have an electrician install a 240 v circuit. If you have an electric range or clothes dryer you already have 240V in your kitchen/laundry and every home/ apartment has it coming into their panel box. You could add a 208 / 220 circuit to the kitchen. Most kitchen receptacles are split 240 - a voltmeter from hot to hot will show this. DON'T try to cheat with two plugs - this is a fool killer. You COULD (I suppose) wire a cable to one of those 2 to 6 outlet adaptors and get the voltage that way (I've contemplated that). Are you sure it isn't 50 cycle? |
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"Homer J Simpson" wrote in message news:XUhfh.57883$rv4.10823@edtnps90... You could add a 208 / 220 circuit to the kitchen. Most kitchen receptacles are split 240 - a voltmeter from hot to hot will show this. Some are, some ain't - depends on how old the kitchen is and the electrician's customary way of wiring. DON'T try to cheat with two plugs - this is a fool killer. As long as you stay away from the prongs of the 2nd plug after you plug in the first you should be ok. That's a big if. You COULD (I suppose) wire a cable to one of those 2 to 6 outlet adaptors and get the voltage that way (I've contemplated that). Are you sure it isn't 50 cycle? Wouldn't make any difference - 50 hz. machines will run just fine on 60 hz. and vice versa - the slight difference in speed does not affect the performance significantly. |
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Homer J Simpson wrote:
Are you sure it isn't 50 cycle? Most likely it's 230 volts 50 Hz (cycle). I think the only country in the world with standard outlets being 240 volts is Australia, and I'm not sure about that. England standardized on 240 volts, Europe on 220. Israel on 230 so you could use either. Since then all of the E.U. has standardized to 230, the U.K going down, the rest of Europe going up. Unless it has a timer in it, it will work just as well on 240v/60 Hz, from a U.S. outlet. Probably a lot better than trying to get a transformer to convert the voltage up. A coffee maker generally uses 1500 watts, and a home transformer loses about 15%-20% in the process of converting it. If you want a really good home machine look at the Sunbeam line. I don't know if they are sold in the U.S. There was a TV series called "Living Coffee" by Paul Basset (or Bassett, I'm not sure), which was done by the Austrailian Broadcasting Company and shown on food networks in the U.S. He won an award for being the best "barista" (coffee maker at an espresso bar) and worked with Sunbeam on the design of their machines and marketing them. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ |
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"Jack Denver" wrote in message . .. "Homer J Simpson" wrote in message news:XUhfh.57883$rv4.10823@edtnps90... You could add a 208 / 220 circuit to the kitchen. Most kitchen receptacles are split 240 - a voltmeter from hot to hot will show this. My problem is that whichever of these options I use will be exceptionally unsightly in my tiny kitchen which has already-over used power sockets: Is there any way of arranging joining up the circuits so that this wouldn't be unsightly? BTW all sockets on the circuit to the kitchen are the same as all sockets all around the living room and bedroom. Maybe they aren't 208? (this is something I have been complaining about ever since we moved in: Every time we try to turn the microwave on, all lights, televisions, computers etc go off all over the flat as the fuse trips! There is a possibility that the cooker has a 208 volt supply somewhere near it: The building does have 208v at the A/C units at the OTHER end of the living room. I DO have one of those transformers but again it is huge and there is nowhere in the kitchen to put it. The alternative is to put the espresso unit somewhere near the transformer in the living room but as this would be nowhere near the water supply, this is also impractical. Is there really any difference between this unit and a Baby? Some are, some ain't - depends on how old the kitchen is and the electrician's customary way of wiring. DON'T try to cheat with two plugs - this is a fool killer. As long as you stay away from the prongs of the 2nd plug after you plug in the first you should be ok. That's a big if. You COULD (I suppose) wire a cable to one of those 2 to 6 outlet adaptors and get the voltage that way (I've contemplated that). Are you sure it isn't 50 cycle? Wouldn't make any difference - 50 hz. machines will run just fine on 60 hz. and vice versa - the slight difference in speed does not affect the performance significantly. |
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"Jack Denver" wrote in
: If you have an electric range or clothes dryer you already have 240V in your kitchen/laundry and every home/ apartment has it coming into their panel box. 1. Cut the plug off the cord. 2. Install 240V plug like the one on your dryer. 3. Make your coffee in the laundry room. |
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"Meat Plow" wrote in message news On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:16:44 -0500, news.rcn.com Has Frothed: Just accidentally bought a Gaggia Coffee Espresso which works on 240 volts. Is it possible to rewire it for 120V please? Or is the transformer different? Easy enought to run 240 volts outlet, not easy to rework the coffee machine for 120. Is this device 50 hertz also? Can't you return it and get one made to work on 120? Picked it up at a flea market for virtually nothing 'cos I saw it in what looked like mint condition. Didn't notice voltage. Unlikely the vendor knew about voltage. I bought it from him just after he had bought it from someone else. I suppose I must take it to England next time I go and put it on Craigslist. Inconceivable it can be worthwhile shipping it to Europe from US so outlets like EBay out of the question, unless this unit is REALLY worth nine hundred bucks! http://www.everythingkitchens.com/ga...101-14100.html ????????? -- Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, June 2004 COOSN-266-06-25794 |
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It sounds like the wiring in your building is very old and undersized.
Probably a 120V Gaggia would trip the breakers also. If you have a 240V A/C outlet in your apartment but it's in the wrong place, an inexpensive solution would be to get a long extension cord. Based on what you describe, I really doubt that you have 240V service in your kitchen now unless there is an electric stove. "news.rcn.com" news.rnc.com wrote in message ... BTW all sockets on the circuit to the kitchen are the same as all sockets all around the living room and bedroom. Maybe they aren't 208? (this is something I have been complaining about ever since we moved in: Every time we try to turn the microwave on, all lights, televisions, computers etc go off all over the flat as the fuse trips! |
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"news.rcn.com" news.rnc.com wrote in
: Just accidentally bought a Gaggia Coffee Espresso which works on 240 volts. Is it possible to rewire it for 120V please? Or is the transformer different? Does anyone know if this would be a major pain in the neck to change or if there is an exploded view anywhere? I have tried using a reasonably powerful voltage converter and it blew the fuse immediately! It is a curious wide, lower-slung very modern all stainless steel unit with three side-by-side buttons, not the one looking like the Baby shown at http://www.wholelattelove.com/Gaggia/newcoffee.cfm I am trying to replace my Baby which endemically cant produce crema or proper coffee consistently and leaks like a sieve. (I am hoping these units aren't the same inside but clothed in different outer casings) I'll need more info before I can give an answer. What kind of upper boiler is in your machine; the old type with heat element attachments on the side or the four attachments on top? Does you machine have a 3-way solenoid valve? If you have the newer boiler top the elements can be rewired (the same elements are used in all voltage). You'll still need a 110 volt pump & solenoid valve (if so equipped). I've converted several Gaggia from 240 to 110 volt & if you can read a wiring schematic it's a piece of cake. Robert (Let 'em eat cake!) Harmon -- http://tinyurl.com/pou2y http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r Remove "Z" to reply via email. |
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Jim Land wrote in
. 3.44: 1. Cut the plug off the cord. 2. Install 240V plug like the one on your dryer. 3. Make your coffee in the laundry room. Revised, after learning that you have a 240v air conditioner in the living room: 1. Cut the plug off the cord. 2. Install 240V plug like the one on your air conditioner. 3. Make your coffee in the living room. |
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"Robert Harmon" wrote in message 6.26... I'll need more info before I can give an answer. What kind of upper boiler is in your machine; the old type with heat element attachments on the side or the four attachments on top? Does you machine have a 3-way solenoid valve? How do I get it apart to see which one it is? It looks brand new and unused and is the one in the picture at http://www.everythingkitchens.com/ga...101-14100.html as opposed to the one with the three vertical switches on the left: Does this assist? If you have the newer boiler top the elements can be rewired (the same elements are used in all voltage). You'll still need a 110 volt pump & solenoid valve (if so equipped). How do I identify whether I have such a pump and solenoid and how is it rewired please? I've converted several Gaggia from 240 to 110 volt & if you can read a wiring schematic it's a piece of cake. I can't but isn't it a matter of disconnecting and reconnecting in-place connections if I have the right type? Robert (Let 'em eat cake!) Harmon -- http://tinyurl.com/pou2y http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r Remove "Z" to reply via email. |
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"news.rcn.com" news.rnc.com wrote in
: "Robert Harmon" wrote in message 6.26... I'll need more info before I can give an answer. What kind of upper boiler is in your machine; the old type with heat element attachments on the side or the four attachments on top? Does you machine have a 3-way solenoid valve? How do I get it apart to see which one it is? It looks brand new and unused and is the one in the picture at http://www.everythingkitchens.com/ga...-14101-14100.h tml as opposed to the one with the three vertical switches on the left: Does this assist? If you have the newer boiler top the elements can be rewired (the same elements are used in all voltage). You'll still need a 110 volt pump & solenoid valve (if so equipped). How do I identify whether I have such a pump and solenoid and how is it rewired please? I've converted several Gaggia from 240 to 110 volt & if you can read a wiring schematic it's a piece of cake. I can't but isn't it a matter of disconnecting and reconnecting in-place connections if I have the right type? Robert (Let 'em eat cake!) Harmon -- http://tinyurl.com/pou2y http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r Remove "Z" to reply via email. My best advice; if you're not comfortable doing the conversion have someone else do it. That said: Open the Gaggia by removing the four screws on the top of the machine & lifting off the top. Some Gaggia Coffee machines have this boiler: http://tinyurl.com/yfkaqg If you have this boiler I can't help you. Some Gaggia Coffee machines have this boiler: http://tinyurl.com/yd7fxk If you have this boiler here's the schematic for wiring it to 120 volt. Schematic: http://tinyurl.com/volsg The 120v pump will cost $40 - $75 depending on whose advice you listen to. I recommend the cheapest Ulka from partsguru.com. The lower the wattage the quieter it will be. The 3-way solenoid is only found in the Classic & Baby machines. Ifyour machine has such a valve there will be a chrome tube to the left of the brew group. If you don't have this, great! You've just saved $50 - $75. If you machine is equipped with the valve you'll need to replace the coil only - that's the square or round part similar to the blue 3-way valve shown in the first link above. As far as rewiring it goes, I was very serious about not trying this yourself if you're not comfortable with it. Gather all the parts; machine, new pump & solenoid valve, & take everything to a reputable appliance repair shop. Most will do the wiring for $50 - $100, but no warranty. Good luck, and keep us posted. Robert -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
Homer J Simpson wrote: Are you sure it isn't 50 cycle? Most likely it's 230 volts 50 Hz (cycle). I think the only country in the world with standard outlets being 240 volts is Australia, and I'm not sure about that. England standardized on 240 volts, Europe on 220. Israel on 230 so you could use either. Since then all of the E.U. has standardized to 230, the U.K going down, the rest of Europe going up. Regardless of the standard, my friend in England had a voltage monitor set up for a while and it had pretty large fluctuations, anything from around 223 all the way up to 245V depending on the time of day. These small percentages don't matter for most things. |
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Picked it up at a flea market for virtually nothing 'cos I saw it in what looked like mint condition. Didn't notice voltage. Unlikely the vendor knew about voltage. I bought it from him just after he had bought it from someone else. I suppose I must take it to England next time I go and put it on Craigslist. Inconceivable it can be worthwhile shipping it to Europe from US so outlets like EBay out of the question, unless this unit is REALLY worth nine hundred bucks! http://www.everythingkitchens.com/ga...101-14100.html Why don't you just install a 240V receptacle in your kitchen? |
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this whole project is NOT a good idea.
I would never undertake this for myself or a customer, period. Dave 186 www.hitechespresso.com |
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Thanks for the advice guys BUT in any event: The 120v pump will cost $40 - $75
"daveb" wrote in message ups.com... this whole project is NOT a good idea. I would never undertake this for myself or a customer, period. What I am wondering is whether this is worth either the effort or the cost. And no one seems to have an opinion on whether the end result will be any better than my Baby, which despite having been rebuilt by Importika endemically cant produce crema. (I suppose I can live with all the leaking their repair has caused which they wont recitfy) Dave 186 www.hitechespresso.com |
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Thanks for the advice guys BUT in any event: The 120v pump will cost $40 - $75
"news.rcn.com" news.rnc.com wrote in
: What I am wondering is whether this is worth either the effort or the cost. And no one seems to have an opinion on whether the end result will be any better than my Baby, which despite having been rebuilt by Importika endemically cant produce crema. (I suppose I can live with all the leaking their repair has caused which they wont recitfy) The steam will be the same IF both machines are in good order. They use the same heating elements & boilers. So, based on that I'd say it's not worth doing. Robert (duck & cover) Harmon -- http://tinyurl.com/pou2y http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r Remove "Z" to reply via email. |
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Thanks for the advice guys BUT in any event: The 120v pump will cost $40 - $75
That should've read;
The crema will be the same IF both machines are in good order. They use the same heating elements & boilers. So, based on that I'd say it's not worth doing. Robert Robert Harmon wrote: "news.rcn.com" news.rnc.com wrote in : What I am wondering is whether this is worth either the effort or the cost. And no one seems to have an opinion on whether the end result will be any better than my Baby, which despite having been rebuilt by Importika endemically cant produce crema. (I suppose I can live with all the leaking their repair has caused which they wont recitfy) The steam will be the same IF both machines are in good order. They use the same heating elements & boilers. So, based on that I'd say it's not worth doing. Robert (duck & cover) Harmon -- http://tinyurl.com/pou2y http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r Remove "Z" to reply via email. |
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Thanks for the advice guys BUT in any event: The 120v pump will cost $40 - $75
"Robert Harmon" wrote in message ups.com... That should've read; The crema will be the same IF both machines are in good order. They use the same heating elements & boilers. So, based on that I'd say it's not worth doing. I suspected as much but this machine seemed so alluring Robert Robert Harmon wrote: "news.rcn.com" news.rnc.com wrote in : What I am wondering is whether this is worth either the effort or the cost. And no one seems to have an opinion on whether the end result will be any better than my Baby, which despite having been rebuilt by Importika endemically cant produce crema. (I suppose I can live with all the leaking their repair has caused which they wont recitfy) The steam will be the same IF both machines are in good order. They use the same heating elements & boilers. So, based on that I'd say it's not worth doing. Robert (duck & cover) Harmon -- http://tinyurl.com/pou2y http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r Remove "Z" to reply via email. |
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Thanks for the advice guys BUT in any event: The 120v pump will cost $40 - $75
"news.rcn.com" news.rnc.com wrote in
: "Robert Harmon" wrote in message ups.com... That should've read; The crema will be the same IF both machines are in good order. They use the same heating elements & boilers. So, based on that I'd say it's not worth doing. I suspected as much but this machine seemed so alluring Robert Robert Harmon wrote: "news.rcn.com" news.rnc.com wrote in : What I am wondering is whether this is worth either the effort or the cost. And no one seems to have an opinion on whether the end result will be any better than my Baby, which despite having been rebuilt by Importika endemically cant produce crema. (I suppose I can live with all the leaking their repair has caused which they wont recitfy) The steam will be the same IF both machines are in good order. They use the same heating elements & boilers. So, based on that I'd say it's not worth doing. Robert (duck & cover) Harmon -- http://tinyurl.com/pou2y http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r Remove "Z" to reply via email. Sell it on eBay & get your money back. Be sure to note that it's 240v. Robert (duck & cover) Harmon -- http://tinyurl.com/pou2y http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r Remove "Z" to reply via email. |
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Is that because you're a one-trick pony, dude? Or is that because you
can't see a way to insert your typical PID self-promotion into this thread? This is an easy conversion, easy enough that you might be up to the task yourself. Robert (There's more to espresso than a stinking Silvia w/PID.)Harmon daveb wrote: this whole project is NOT a good idea. I would never undertake this for myself or a customer, period. Dave 186 www.hitechespresso.com |
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1. Cut the plug off the cord. 2. Install 240V plug like the one on your stove. 3. Make your coffee in the kitchen. |
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Yeah its easy enough, especially if you feel that you had the skill to
rewire the coffe maker for 120v. - Mike "James Sweet" wrote in message news:3opfh.1677$HX4.1041@trnddc03... Picked it up at a flea market for virtually nothing 'cos I saw it in what looked like mint condition. Didn't notice voltage. Unlikely the vendor knew about voltage. I bought it from him just after he had bought it from someone else. I suppose I must take it to England next time I go and put it on Craigslist. Inconceivable it can be worthwhile shipping it to Europe from US so outlets like EBay out of the question, unless this unit is REALLY worth nine hundred bucks! http://www.everythingkitchens.com/ga...101-14100.html Why don't you just install a 240V receptacle in your kitchen? |
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yes. I agree.
there are quick mills and Isomacs and Gaggias and ???? with pids too. (There's more to espresso than a [deleted] Silvia w/PID.)Harmon |
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"daveb" wrote in message ups.com... this whole project is NOT a good idea. I would never undertake this for myself or a customer, period. For an $800 machine? I bloody would find a way to make it work. |
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"Homer J Simpson" wrote in message news:kUJfh.61035$YV4.16256@edtnps89... "daveb" wrote in message ups.com... this whole project is NOT a good idea. I would never undertake this for myself or a customer, period. For an $800 machine? I bloody would find a way to make it work. why not first plug it into a 220 outlet (I'm sure you've got one somewhere in your house) and see if the machine even works, before you contemplate rewiring or running 220 to your kitchen counter? |
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"Alan" wrote in message news I would never undertake this for myself or a customer, period. For an $800 machine? I bloody would find a way to make it work. why not first plug it into a 220 outlet (I'm sure you've got one somewhere in your house) and see if the machine even works, before you contemplate rewiring or running 220 to your kitchen counter? That'd be my first try out. |
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euro 220 volt plugs don't work in the US.
euro SOCKETS are difficult to obtain. Then an adapter to fit US 240 volt plug (typically a clothes dryer -- or less likely, an air conditioner) to a euro 220 volt SOCKET would have to be made. -- (after finding and buying one) OR -- other more dangerous methods could be explored. methinks the OP is / has lost interest in the whole thing. And BTW, 'homer' a NEW gaggia of this type is about USD 450.00 max, let alone an unknown UNwarranteed USED one. dave 188 "Homer J Simpson" wrote in message For an $800 machine? I bloody would find a way to make it work. |
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"daveb" wrote in message ups.com... euro 220 volt plugs don't work in the US. I'm assuming he will cut off the plug and fit a US 240 V model. And BTW, 'homer' a NEW gaggia of this type is about USD 450.00 max, let alone an unknown UNwarranteed USED one. You don't know how cheap I am. |
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"Homer J Simpson" wrote in message news:L_Wfh.63424$YV4.28011@edtnps89... "daveb" wrote in message ups.com... euro 220 volt plugs don't work in the US. I'm assuming he will cut off the plug and fit a US 240 V model. And BTW, 'homer' a NEW gaggia of this type is about USD 450.00 max, let alone an unknown UNwarranteed USED one. You don't know how cheap I am. Hey guys, you don't know how cheap I am!! After all I am the one who paid virtually nothing for it in the first place! BTW this machine has a common triangular female plug in a hole in the back where you can insert ANY power cable from ANY other device, especially any desktop computer power supply. (It is the simple one which isn't the figure 8 one or the bunny ears one) And I have already said that I do have a 1500 watt transformer in my living room as well as that unusual Spanish-looking 208v A/C socket. i am perfectly prepared to test this thing out. What I don't see happening is anyone bidding from Europe who is prepared to pay shipping on it to outside the US??? |
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"Homer J Simpson" wrote in message news:kUJfh.61035$YV4.16256@edtnps89... "daveb" wrote in message ups.com... this whole project is NOT a good idea. I would never undertake this for myself or a customer, period. For an $800 machine? I bloody would find a way to make it work. (not if you were thinking of it as a replacement for a Baby and were wondering if there was any acutal difference between the two, - when there apparently isn't) |
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the shipping is SO high that most in EU stay away.
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M Berger wrote in
: You don't have to sell it to someone in Europe. There are plenty of US residents that have 220 volts available. news.rcn.com wrote: BTW this machine has a common triangular female plug in a hole in the back where you can insert ANY power cable from ANY other device, especially any desktop computer power supply. (It is the simple one which isn't the figure 8 one or the bunny ears one) And I have already said that I do have a 1500 watt transformer in my living room as well as that unusual Spanish-looking 208v A/C socket. i am perfectly prepared to test this thing out. What I don't see happening is anyone bidding from Europe who is prepared to pay shipping on it to outside the US??? Or aren't afraid to do the power conversion themself. Robert (It really is a piece of cake @$60 - 70.) Harmon -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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You don't have to sell it to someone in Europe. There are
plenty of US residents that have 220 volts available. news.rcn.com wrote: BTW this machine has a common triangular female plug in a hole in the back where you can insert ANY power cable from ANY other device, especially any desktop computer power supply. (It is the simple one which isn't the figure 8 one or the bunny ears one) And I have already said that I do have a 1500 watt transformer in my living room as well as that unusual Spanish-looking 208v A/C socket. i am perfectly prepared to test this thing out. What I don't see happening is anyone bidding from Europe who is prepared to pay shipping on it to outside the US??? |
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I have a question related to this thread.
I am in a somewhat similar situation. I recently bought a used/refurbished Gaggia Classic Espresso machine. After deciding it was lacking in heating/steaming ability, I took it to a place that repairs Gaggias. They confirmed that it is underpowered. Upon investigation they found that it was a 220V converted to 110V. It has a 110 boiler and solenoid. They said the problem is that it needs to be rewired. They said the only reason I am getting any heating is that there is a "return of power".They said the refurbisher just hooked the wiring up as it was and that this is WRONG. They said that for 110 use, it needs to be completely rewired (differently).........3 hours.......$60 an hour. I called the original vendor and he said it is fine. He says bring it to him and he can adjust the thermostats. The other techs said the thermostats are OK. Sooooo, who do I believe? Does the wiring have to be redone when converting it from 220? I do believe there is definately a power issue, since it works, but it is very slow to heat up for steaming and slow to steam. It does not brew at the right temperature either (160 degrees F instead of 192) I am not sure who to believe. I know NOTHING about electronics. What do I need to know to get someone to fix it right? Thanks for any guidance. Craig -------------= Posted from Ugroups.com =------------- ---= Fast & Free Web Portal to Usenet Newsgroups =--- -------------= http://www.ugroups.com/ =------------- |
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bigjuggler wrote:
I have a question related to this thread. I am in a somewhat similar situation. I recently bought a used/refurbished Gaggia Classic Espresso machine. After deciding it was lacking in heating/steaming ability, I took it to a place that repairs Gaggias. They confirmed that it is underpowered. Upon investigation they found that it was a 220V converted to 110V. It has a 110 boiler and solenoid. They said the problem is that it needs to be rewired. They said the only reason I am getting any heating is that there is a "return of power".They said the refurbisher just hooked the wiring up as it was and that this is WRONG. They said that for 110 use, it needs to be completely rewired (differently).........3 hours.......$60 an hour. I called the original vendor and he said it is fine. He says bring it to him and he can adjust the thermostats. The other techs said the thermostats are OK. Sooooo, who do I believe? Does the wiring have to be redone when converting it from 220? I do believe there is definately a power issue, since it works, but it is very slow to heat up for steaming and slow to steam. It does not brew at the right temperature either (160 degrees F instead of 192) I am not sure who to believe. I know NOTHING about electronics. What do I need to know to get someone to fix it right? Thanks for any guidance. Hi... There's a wiring diagram here (down at the bottom of the page - for a 120 volt machine, if it's of any help at all. http://www.partsguru.com/GaggiaClass...ring%20diagram Take care. Ken |
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"bigjuggler" wrote in message ... They said that for 110 use, it needs to be completely rewired (differently).........3 hours.......$60 an hour. 3 hours? 20 minutes max for a half way competent tech. Looks like the two elements might be in series on 220, in parallel on 110. Easy The solenoid and pump may need a step up transformer to run properly off 110. Not hard. $20 for a transformer and 1 hour max to do all of that. Hell, I used to repair popup toasters. Diagnose, repair and test all in under 5 minutes. Practise makes perfect. |
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Homer J Simpson wrote:
3 hours? 20 minutes max for a half way competent tech. Looks like the two elements might be in series on 220, in parallel on 110. Easy It's also possible that there is only one heater. Run on 230 volts it heats the water to boiling, on 120 it just gets "warm". However , I think the three hours at $60 an hour is a polite way of saying, "we don't want to touch it", without saying no. I expect they guessed what it would cost to replace it and made you an offer for close to it, if not more. The standard electrical system in the U.S. brings 240 volts to your house. Maybe you can get the person who sold it to you to return it to it's original condition and have an electrician run a 240 volt line to your kitchen. If you do, make sure it has a GFI (ground fault interupter on it). Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ |
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"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message ... The standard electrical system in the U.S. brings 240 volts to your house. Maybe you can get the person who sold it to you to return it to it's original condition and have an electrician run a 240 volt line to your kitchen. If you do, make sure it has a GFI (ground fault interupter on it). All US kitchen outlets (except in really OLD houses) have 220 volts - it's required by code. It's easy to add an outlet with the right socket for 220. |
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