Harddisk motion detection?
 

Is it possible that inside certain harddisks motion detectors are placed?
I have a harddsk which works fine but as soon you move the drive (powered on
and connected to pc)
the head sounds as it wants to go in park, if i leave the drive alone it
just works fine.
IDE and power cable are ok.
Not relevant for a repair but plain curiosity, i would expect it on a laptop
disk but not a desktop.

Bart Bervoets

Harddisk motion detection?
 

Meat Plow writes:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:05:22 +0200, Bart Bervoets Has Frothed:

Is it possible that inside certain harddisks motion detectors are placed?
I have a harddsk which works fine but as soon you move the drive (powered
on and connected to pc)
the head sounds as it wants to go in park, if i leave the drive alone it
just works fine.
IDE and power cable are ok.
Not relevant for a repair but plain curiosity, i would expect it on a
laptop disk but not a desktop.

Bart Bervoets

I can safely say that no modern drive has any such thing.

Some laptops and external harddrives for laptops do have shock detectors but
I don't know if they are inside the drives.

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Harddisk motion detection?
 

Bart Bervoets wrote:
Is it possible that inside certain harddisks motion detectors are placed?
I have a harddsk which works fine but as soon you move the drive (powered on
and connected to pc)
the head sounds as it wants to go in park, if i leave the drive alone it
just works fine.
IDE and power cable are ok.
Not relevant for a repair but plain curiosity, i would expect it on a laptop
disk but not a desktop.

Bart Bervoets


You should never move a running drive. It could crash.

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Clyde Crashcup

Harddisk motion detection?
 

Meat Plow spake thus:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:24:23 +0000, Clyde Crashcup Has Frothed:

Bart Bervoets wrote:

Is it possible that inside certain harddisks motion detectors are
placed? I have a harddsk which works fine but as soon you move the drive
(powered on and connected to pc)
the head sounds as it wants to go in park, if i leave the drive alone it
just works fine.
IDE and power cable are ok.
Not relevant for a repair but plain curiosity, i would expect it on a
laptop disk but not a desktop.

You should never move a running drive. It could crash.

LOL that made me laugh.

Yeah, I guess all those people using laptops must just *imagine* they're
moving their computer while it's on.


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Harddisk motion detection?
 

Bart Bervoets wrote:
Is it possible that inside certain harddisks motion detectors are placed?
I have a harddsk which works fine but as soon you move the drive (powered on
and connected to pc)
the head sounds as it wants to go in park, if i leave the drive alone it
just works fine.
IDE and power cable are ok.
Not relevant for a repair but plain curiosity, i would expect it on a laptop
disk but not a desktop.

Bart Bervoets




Most microdrives have this feature, but these are the tiny drives the
size of CF cards used in many portable music players. Just moving it
should not trigger it though, it takes a fair bit of shock.

Harddisk motion detection?
 

Hi!

Is it possible that inside certain harddisks motion detectors are placed?

Anything is always possible. But I doubt that there is any such thing in a
desktop hard drive. Laptop drives may have such circuitry in place.

Based on some drives that I've worked with over time, I'd say what you're
seeing is likely a result of the spindle motor somehow changing speed
slightly as you move it. The drive's controlling electronics can monitor the
RPM of this motor and may shut the drive down if enough of a change is
detected. The motor may be getting ready to fail or it may have worn
bearings that allow a significant RPM change when you move it.

You can get most desktop drives to reinitialize themselves with a mild tap.
I don't suggest trying that on a drive you depend upon. And while it
generally does no harm to move a running hard drive, you should be careful
not to drop, jar, shake or abuse it while it is running. If any one of those
things were to happen while the drive was running, a head crash or other
drive failure is possible.

William

Harddisk motion detection?
 

"William R. Walsh" m
wrote in message news:ceIUg.89757$aJ.137@attbi_s21...

You can get most desktop drives to reinitialize themselves with a mild
tap.
I don't suggest trying that on a drive you depend upon. And while it
generally does no harm to move a running hard drive, you should be careful
not to drop, jar, shake or abuse it while it is running. If any one of
those
things were to happen while the drive was running, a head crash or other
drive failure is possible.

One notorious 10 Mb hard drive Radio Shack sold would only start after a
weekend if you first dropped it about a foot onto a desk!

Harddisk motion detection?
 

"Homer J Simpson" wrote in message
news:JCIUg.50909$E67.45445@clgrps13...

One notorious 10 Mb hard drive Radio Shack sold would only start after a
weekend if you first dropped it about a foot onto a desk!

I've seen many, many drives like that- it's called 'stiction'. The heads and
platters are so perfectly formed and smooth that they can bond together
preventing the drive motor spinning up the platters. Usually the motor can
be heard pulsing and giving up after a few tries. The best way to release
the heads from the platters is IME to hold the drive and quickly flick it in
a rotational plane to spin the internal platters breaking the bond. Freezing
the drive overnight can also do the trick, but the drive must be put in a
completely sealed bag beforehand. Warming with a hairdryer can also help.
Thumping the drive onto a hard surface should be a last resort.

Stiction is not usually an issue on modern drives, but it was common on the
old MFM/RLL/ESDI style drives.

Dave

Harddisk motion detection?
 

"William R. Walsh" m
wrote in message news:ceIUg.89757$aJ.137@attbi_s21...
Hi!

Is it possible that inside certain harddisks motion detectors are placed?

Anything is always possible. But I doubt that there is any such thing in a
desktop hard drive. Laptop drives may have such circuitry in place.

Based on some drives that I've worked with over time, I'd say what you're
seeing is likely a result of the spindle motor somehow changing speed
slightly as you move it. The drive's controlling electronics can monitor
the
RPM of this motor and may shut the drive down if enough of a change is
detected. The motor may be getting ready to fail or it may have worn
bearings that allow a significant RPM change when you move it.


Seconded.

Morse

Harddisk motion detection?
 

Hi!

One notorious 10 Mb hard drive Radio Shack sold would only start after a
weekend if you first dropped it about a foot onto a desk!

http://www.mcamafia.de/mcapage0/problem1.htm#probl01

William

Harddisk motion detection?
 

On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:05:22 +0200 "Bart Bervoets" wrote
in Message id: :

Is it possible that inside certain harddisks motion detectors are placed?
I have a harddsk which works fine but as soon you move the drive (powered on
and connected to pc)

You're going to crash your heads, if you already haven't. A hard drive
should not be moved when running.

the head sounds as it wants to go in park, if i leave the drive alone it
just works fine.

It's probably getting an error and recalibrating.

Harddisk motion detection?
 

Bart Bervoets wrote:
Is it possible that inside certain harddisks motion detectors are placed?


Yep, many do, to prevent head crashes when the drive gets jostled. Get
the drive model number and look up the manual on the Internet (a set
of tubes). It's there plain as day.

As a side effect, it turns out to be quite possible to set up an ad-hoc
earthquake monitoring network, just with a little added software!
Very clever!

Harddisk motion detection?
 

Ancient_Hacker spake thus:

Bart Bervoets wrote:

Is it possible that inside certain harddisks motion detectors are placed?

Yep, many do, to prevent head crashes when the drive gets jostled. Get
the drive model number and look up the manual on the Internet (a set
of tubes).

Sorry, you lost me there. "Set of tubes"; what is that?


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Harddisk motion detection?
 

David Nebenzahl wrote:

Sorry, you lost me there. "Set of tubes"; what is that?

One of our more cretinous representatives stood up and blathered in
Congress about how the Internet is getting clogged up as one of his
staffers sent an "internet" to him and it took four days to arrive.
You see the Internet "it's like a set of tubes".

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"Ancient_Hacker" wrote in message
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David Nebenzahl wrote:

Sorry, you lost me there. "Set of tubes"; what is that?

One of our more cretinous representatives stood up and blathered in
Congress about how the Internet is getting clogged up as one of his
staffers sent an "internet" to him and it took four days to arrive.
You see the Internet "it's like a set of tubes".

Ted Stevens of Alaska and the bridge to nowhere and secret spending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DClkE64nFDY

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/30/secret.senators/