I'm looking in particular for their phillips screwdrivers. Can anyone point
me to a USA retailer that sells these tools?

Also, A is me posting from another computer.

Pozi is totally different from what the JIS phillips standard is. Thank you
in advance.

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Nocturnal

In article ,
Nocturnal wrote:
Pozi is totally different from what the JIS phillips standard is. Thank
you in advance.

Think you're getting your standards mixed up. Philips *is* a standard,
although not much used now as others are better for cross head screws.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:40:30 +0100 "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Nocturnal wrote:
Pozi is totally different from what the JIS phillips standard is. Thank
you in advance.

Think you're getting your standards mixed up. Philips *is* a standard,
although not much used now as others are better for cross head screws.

That's correct. Both Phillips and Posidrive are registered trademarks
of the Phillips Screw Company. They are different, but they should
interchange. Posidrive is the better one, however.

Reed-Prince drivers are different and generally won't work on Phillips
or Posidrive screws.

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Jim Adney
Madison, WI 53711 USA
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Jim Adney wrote:
That's correct. Both Phillips and Posidrive are registered trademarks
of the Phillips Screw Company. They are different, but they should
interchange. Posidrive is the better one, however.

The best way of ruining screws and screwdrivers is use a standard
phillips screwdriver in a pozidriv screw and vice versa. It will work,
but if you need to apply force, the screwdriver will force itself out of
the head. At least in my experience, that is.

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Met vriendelijke groet,

Maarten Bakker.

In article ,
Jim Adney wrote:
Think you're getting your standards mixed up. Philips *is* a standard,
although not much used now as others are better for cross head screws.

That's correct. Both Phillips and Posidrive are registered trademarks
of the Phillips Screw Company. They are different, but they should
interchange. Posidrive is the better one, however.

Interesting. Pozidriv is IIRC GKN in the UK - another large screw maker.

Reed-Prince drivers are different and generally won't work on Phillips
or Posidrive screws.

That's one I haven't come across. Japanese used an ISO head - but Pozidriv
worked well enough. Phillips is pretty rare in Europe these days.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 19:58:29 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
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Interesting. Pozidriv is IIRC GKN in the UK - another large screw maker.

Guest Keen Nettlefold sp?? That is interesting. They disappeared off the
face of the planet about 20 years ago as far as we down-underites were
concerned.

On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 11:41:29 +0200 wrote:

Jim Adney wrote:

That's correct. Both Phillips and Posidrive are registered trademarks
of the Phillips Screw Company. They are different, but they should
interchange. Posidrive is the better one, however.

The best way of ruining screws and screwdrivers is use a standard
phillips screwdriver in a pozidriv screw and vice versa. It will work,
but if you need to apply force, the screwdriver will force itself out of
the head. At least in my experience, that is.

Many years ago I actually got a phone call from the president of the
Phillips Screw Company. My guess is that it's now a one-man operation
that just selles licenses to make screws and drivers. He admitted that
the Phillips and Posidrive screws and drivers were interchangable and
were designed to be that way. OTOH, the posidrive combination was
designed to be less likely to "cam out" under high torque. I believe
the Posidrive driver in a Phillips screw comes in second. Beyond that
I have no idea.

It was an interesting and enlightening conversation.

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Jim Adney
Madison, WI 53711 USA
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On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 19:58:29 +0100 "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,

Jim Adney wrote:

Reed-Prince drivers are different and generally won't work on Phillips
or Posidrive screws.

That's one I haven't come across. Japanese used an ISO head - but Pozidriv
worked well enough. Phillips is pretty rare in Europe these days.

Reed-Prince drivers look just like Phillips, but they come to a sharp
point. I don't THINK I've ever seen a Reed-Prince screw, but one
occasionally runs across a R-P driver.

Phillips points are blunted, which means that you have to choose the
right driver (#2 is most common) for the screw you're after or it
won't fit properly. If you try to use a R-P driver in a Phillips screw
it won't seat deep enough, leading to disappointment. I suspect that a
Phillips driver would work in a R-P screw, but I may not have tried,
or I might have tried and succeeded without knowing....

The most common problem that I see with Phillips drivers is choosing
the wrong size bit. Using a #2 driver in a #3 screw head just doesn't
work.

With all the Phillips screws in computer cases these days, I'm
continually impressed with the quality of the fit to my drivers. I'd
expect these screws to come with poorly made heads, but they always
fit the drivers extremely well. I wish this was the case with ALL the
things I work on.

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Jim Adney
Madison, WI 53711 USA
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On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:50:52 +0800 budgie wrote:

On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 19:58:29 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:


Interesting. Pozidriv is IIRC GKN in the UK - another large screw maker.

Guest Keen Nettlefold sp?? That is interesting. They disappeared off the
face of the planet about 20 years ago as far as we down-underites were
concerned.

I never heard of them here in the US. Others may have, however.

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Jim Adney
Madison, WI 53711 USA
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