Inverter to drive microwave
Any reliability issues concerning a new Sharp R-1540 microwave to power
it off a square wave inverter when camping? Is there any real difference between "square wave" and "modified square wave" inverters? Thanks Tut |
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cnctut wrote: Any reliability issues concerning a new Sharp R-1540 microwave to power it off a square wave inverter when camping? Is there any real difference between "square wave" and "modified square wave" inverters? You're into a fairly chunky invertor to power a decent microwave. And a chunky battery to power it. Surely a gas or paraffin stove is much more suitable for camping? -- *Always borrow money from pessimists - they don't expect it back * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
Dave--
The microwave is in an RV--I have multiple generators that would work--just hate to start them for 2 minute popcorn or 60 sec hot tea. Thought an inverter might be a quick solution--the RV has 2 D-8 batteries for DC power--1350 amp-hrs each. Thanks Tut |
"cnctut" wrote in message oups.com... Dave-- The microwave is in an RV--I have multiple generators that would work--just hate to start them for 2 minute popcorn or 60 sec hot tea. Thought an inverter might be a quick solution--the RV has 2 D-8 batteries for DC power--1350 amp-hrs each. Thanks Tut sounds like you have enough battery power but I have no idea which would be better for a microwave |
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oups.com: Any reliability issues concerning a new Sharp R-1540 microwave to power it off a square wave inverter when camping? Is there any real difference between "square wave" and "modified square wave" inverters? Thanks Tut Iron-core transformers do not like square waves-the harmonics just generate excess heat in the core.You would need a hefty inverter to power the average MW oven;they run about a kilowatt output(~15A@120VAC input),and with an iron-core transformer,the startup surge would require more inverter power. "modified squarewave" inverters generate a stepped version of a sine wave,reducing the harmonic output. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
"Jim Yanik" . wrote in message .. . "cnctut" wrote in oups.com: Any reliability issues concerning a new Sharp R-1540 microwave to power it off a square wave inverter when camping? Is there any real difference between "square wave" and "modified square wave" inverters? Iron-core transformers do not like square waves-the harmonics just generate excess heat in the core.You would need a hefty inverter to power the average MW oven;they run about a kilowatt output(~15A@120VAC input),and with an iron-core transformer,the startup surge would require more inverter power. "modified squarewave" inverters generate a stepped version of a sine wave,reducing the harmonic output. An inverter microwave might work better since they rectify AC to DC. -- N |
Jim Yanik wrote: "cnctut" wrote in oups.com: Any reliability issues concerning a new Sharp R-1540 microwave to power it off a square wave inverter when camping? Is there any real difference between "square wave" and "modified square wave" inverters? Thanks Tut Iron-core transformers do not like square waves-the harmonics just generate excess heat in the core.You would need a hefty inverter to power the average MW oven;they run about a kilowatt output(~15A@120VAC input),and with an iron-core transformer,the startup surge would require more inverter power. I'm ok with a little bigger inverter if you think the extra heat for the microwave transformer won't be a problem over one 2 or 3 minute duty cycle. "modified squarewave" inverters generate a stepped version of a sine wave,reducing the harmonic output. Are you saying a modified square wave inverter has multiple stair steps to max voltage vice one large step for older pure square wave inverters? Or does the modified inverter produce a wave similiar to the first 2 or 3 sums of a Fourier series (sorry, I don't mean to sound like a Jacka--?) Thanks Tut -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
NSM wrote: "Jim Yanik" . wrote in message .. . "cnctut" wrote in oups.com: Any reliability issues concerning a new Sharp R-1540 microwave to power it off a square wave inverter when camping? Is there any real difference between "square wave" and "modified square wave" inverters? Iron-core transformers do not like square waves-the harmonics just generate excess heat in the core.You would need a hefty inverter to power the average MW oven;they run about a kilowatt output(~15A@120VAC input),and with an iron-core transformer,the startup surge would require more inverter power. "modified squarewave" inverters generate a stepped version of a sine wave,reducing the harmonic output. An inverter microwave might work better since they rectify AC to DC. -- N NSM--isn't there some 120vac in the microwave unit somewhere--AC fans, motors, etc? |
Jim Yanik wrote: "cnctut" wrote in oups.com: Any reliability issues concerning a new Sharp R-1540 microwave to power it off a square wave inverter when camping? Is there any real difference between "square wave" and "modified square wave" inverters? Thanks Tut Iron-core transformers do not like square waves-the harmonics just generate excess heat in the core.You would need a hefty inverter to power the average MW oven;they run about a kilowatt output(~15A@120VAC input),and with an iron-core transformer,the startup surge would require more inverter power. "modified squarewave" inverters generate a stepped version of a sine wave,reducing the harmonic output. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net Jim Thanks--I got off my lazy kester and did a google and found the wave shape for a modified square wave inverter. Appreciate your input. Tut |
"cnctut" wrote in message oups.com... NSM--isn't there some 120vac in the microwave unit somewhere--AC fans, motors, etc? Sure, but they're shaded pole motors - should be OK. -- N |
"cnctut" wrote in message
oups.com... Thanks--I got off my lazy kester and did a google and found the wave shape for a modified square wave inverter. Appreciate your input. A modified sine wave doesn't have a 3rd harmonic, and the idea is that eliminating is goes a long way towards reducing overheating in transformers (since the higher the harmonic, the more it's naturally surpressed from the core's self inductance). ---Joel Kolstad |
"cnctut" wrote in
oups.com: Jim Yanik wrote: "cnctut" wrote in oups.com: Any reliability issues concerning a new Sharp R-1540 microwave to power it off a square wave inverter when camping? Is there any real difference between "square wave" and "modified square wave" inverters? Thanks Tut Iron-core transformers do not like square waves-the harmonics just generate excess heat in the core.You would need a hefty inverter to power the average MW oven;they run about a kilowatt output(~15A@120VAC input),and with an iron-core transformer,the startup surge would require more inverter power. I'm ok with a little bigger inverter if you think the extra heat for the microwave transformer won't be a problem over one 2 or 3 minute duty cycle. "modified squarewave" inverters generate a stepped version of a sine wave,reducing the harmonic output. Are you saying a modified square wave inverter has multiple stair steps to max voltage vice one large step for older pure square wave inverters? Yes,AFAIK. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Jim
Thanks for the response--and thanks for not reprinting the Fourier stuff. ;-)) Tut |
The Don Rowe inverter FAQ has a question about running an inverter off
of a microwave: http://www.donrowe.com/inverters/inverter_faq.html Unfortunately it's rather light on details. Anyway, it should work, but you'll probably need a 2k running, 5k surge inverter to run it. They are out there and actually not terribly expensive any more. Sinewave units at that size are still pricey. A Xantrax 1750 for instance is around $300 with the cable necessary to install it, and will run most reasonably sized microwave ovens for as long as your batteries hold out. -Keith |
Keith--thanks
Tut |
"Jim Yanik" . wrote in message .. . "cnctut" wrote in oups.com: Any reliability issues concerning a new Sharp R-1540 microwave to power it off a square wave inverter when camping? Is there any real difference between "square wave" and "modified square wave" inverters? Thanks Tut Iron-core transformers do not like square waves-the harmonics just generate excess heat in the core.You would need a hefty inverter to power the average MW oven;they run about a kilowatt output(~15A@120VAC input),and with an iron-core transformer,the startup surge would require more inverter power. "modified squarewave" inverters generate a stepped version of a sine wave,reducing the harmonic output. I have a 1500W inverter I've been trying to sell for $75 for a while now so they're obviously not hard or expensive to acquire. It runs a microwave just fine, transformer buzzes a bit louder but how often does one get run for more than a few minutes? |
"James Sweet" wrote in message news:0nDhe.6622$Y12.5595@trnddc09... I have a 1500W inverter I've been trying to sell for $75 for a while now so they're obviously not hard or expensive to acquire. It runs a microwave just fine, transformer buzzes a bit louder but how often does one get run for more than a few minutes? And it's not impossible to smooth the output either. -- N |
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