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On 06/08/2015 19:28, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:16:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

I think it's time I upgraded my 'Spice' machine... my present machine
is as follows... no laughter please... I've successfully done at least
at least 20 chip designs on this machine. What modern equivalent
should I replace it with?

====================================

Computer Profile Summary
Computer Name:Analog3 (in ANALOG)

Profile Date:Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:59:53 AM

Operating System
Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack3 (build 2195)


[snip antidiluvian PC spec]

1024 Megabytes Installed Memory

...Jim Thompson


I'm getting the general impression that I should avoid 64-bit to make
sure that my legacy programs will still work. Is that correct?

...Jim Thompson


No. Just buy the Win7 pro version of the OS so that you will have an XP
fallback license to run in a VM for any tetchy ancient 32 bit apps. You
could do it manually with one of several other VM products but I am
guessing you don't get on with software so the MS out of the box
solution is probably your path of least resistance.

Expect some problems with very old installers on 64bit OS but most
things will run in a 32bit VM unless they are very badly behaved.

Many 32 bit programs will run OK on the 64bit OS although their
installers which use archaic 16bit components may not!

The huge advantage of 64 bit memory space being 4GB is worth it!

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Martin Brown wrote:
On 06/08/2015 19:28, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:16:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

I think it's time I upgraded my 'Spice' machine... my present machine
is as follows... no laughter please... I've successfully done at least
at least 20 chip designs on this machine. What modern equivalent
should I replace it with?

====================================

Computer Profile Summary
Computer Name:Analog3 (in ANALOG)

Profile Date:Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:59:53 AM

Operating System
Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack3 (build 2195)


[snip antidiluvian PC spec]

1024 Megabytes Installed Memory

...Jim Thompson


I'm getting the general impression that I should avoid 64-bit to make
sure that my legacy programs will still work. Is that correct?

...Jim Thompson


No. Just buy the Win7 pro version of the OS so that you will have an XP
fallback license to run in a VM for any tetchy ancient 32 bit apps. You
could do it manually with one of several other VM products but I am
guessing you don't get on with software so the MS out of the box
solution is probably your path of least resistance.


If you have 32 bit apps to worry about, how come you don't have media
for it? I made an image of my old XP machine and can run it as a VM at
will. I even tested the OEM install; it works and was activated
with Microsoft .

Expect some problems with very old installers on 64bit OS but most
things will run in a 32bit VM unless they are very badly behaved.


Nearly everything runs on Win7 64 bit IME.

Many 32 bit programs will run OK on the 64bit OS although their
installers which use archaic 16bit components may not!

The huge advantage of 64 bit memory space being 4GB is worth it!



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On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 22:50:06 -0400, Martin Riddle
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 15:09:40 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 15:02:05 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
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On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:28:03 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:



I'm getting the general impression that I should avoid 64-bit to make
sure that my legacy programs will still work. Is that correct?

...Jim Thompson
--

No, you should make the jump and adapt (with VMware or some other
method) or dump the really old 16 bit programs. Most 32 bit stuff will
still run. It's time, and it will be the last major change for a very
long time.


--sp


Is there any way to tell what type a specific program is? I haven't
updated my PSpice since 2003 when OrCAD Crapture and Cadence stopped
improving PSpice (simulator) and tried to force everyone onto Crapture
:-(

...Jim Thompson


I think if you open the exe up with a hex editor, and look at x0100,
if you see 'PE', then its a portable exe 32bit app.

Also if you change the compatibility settings under Win7, it will only
list Vista and up if it is 64bit, 32bit apps will show XP 98 95 etc.

Cheers


x0100 has nought but ....
x0110 has PE

So is it portable 32-bit?

...Jim Thompson
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On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:33:36 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 22:50:06 -0400, Martin Riddle
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 15:09:40 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 15:02:05 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:28:03 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:



I'm getting the general impression that I should avoid 64-bit to make
sure that my legacy programs will still work. Is that correct?

...Jim Thompson
--

No, you should make the jump and adapt (with VMware or some other
method) or dump the really old 16 bit programs. Most 32 bit stuff will
still run. It's time, and it will be the last major change for a very
long time.


--sp

Is there any way to tell what type a specific program is? I haven't
updated my PSpice since 2003 when OrCAD Crapture and Cadence stopped
improving PSpice (simulator) and tried to force everyone onto Crapture
:-(

...Jim Thompson


I think if you open the exe up with a hex editor, and look at x0100,
if you see 'PE', then its a portable exe 32bit app.

Also if you change the compatibility settings under Win7, it will only
list Vista and up if it is 64bit, 32bit apps will show XP 98 95 etc.

Cheers


x0100 has nought but ....
x0110 has PE

So is it portable 32-bit?

...Jim Thompson


I think it is, SWcadIV.exe has PE moved a few bytes too, I'm not all
that familiar with the headers but PE is the Signature for the
portable exe just as the MZ at the begining is the Signature for DOS.

You can always run XP mode, in MS virtual Machine.

Cheers
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Jim Thompson wrote:

I'm getting the general impression that I should avoid 64-bit to make
sure that my legacy programs will still work. Is that correct?


It appears you already have a 64 bit system (AMD Athlon 64). It's the 32 bit
(and 16 bit?) backwards compatibility you have to worry about. And that's as
much a problem of the O/S no longer supporting it as most x86 compatible
h/w.

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On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:16:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

I think it's time I upgraded my 'Spice' machine... my present machine
is as follows... no laughter please... I've successfully done at least
at least 20 chip designs on this machine. What modern equivalent
should I replace it with?

====================================

Computer Profile Summary
Computer Name:Analog3 (in ANALOG)

Profile Date:Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:59:53 AM

Operating System
Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack3 (build 2195)

Processor a Main Circuit Board 2.20 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64

128 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz

BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00PG 07/28/2004

Drives Memory Modules c,d
137.44 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
93.05 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5232K
[CD-ROM drive]

3.5" format removeable media [Floppy
drive]

WDC WD1600JB-00EVA0 [Hard drive] (160.04 GB) SMART Status: Healthy

1024 Megabytes Installed Memory

...Jim Thompson


So what did you decide on?

Cheers
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On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:04:12 -0400, Martin Riddle
wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:16:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

I think it's time I upgraded my 'Spice' machine... my present machine
is as follows... no laughter please... I've successfully done at least
at least 20 chip designs on this machine. What modern equivalent
should I replace it with?

====================================

Computer Profile Summary
Computer Name:Analog3 (in ANALOG)

Profile Date:Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:59:53 AM

Operating System
Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack3 (build 2195)

Processor a Main Circuit Board 2.20 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64

128 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz

BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00PG 07/28/2004

Drives Memory Modules c,d
137.44 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
93.05 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5232K
[CD-ROM drive]

3.5" format removeable media [Floppy
drive]

WDC WD1600JB-00EVA0 [Hard drive] (160.04 GB) SMART Status: Healthy

1024 Megabytes Installed Memory

...Jim Thompson


So what did you decide on?

Cheers


A Dell OptiPlex 7020, Wimpows 7.1, just was delivered in the last
hour. I'll report weekend heartburn as I bring it on-line ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 19:13:44 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:04:12 -0400, Martin Riddle
wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:16:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

I think it's time I upgraded my 'Spice' machine... my present machine
is as follows... no laughter please... I've successfully done at least
at least 20 chip designs on this machine. What modern equivalent
should I replace it with?

====================================

Computer Profile Summary
Computer Name:Analog3 (in ANALOG)

Profile Date:Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:59:53 AM

Operating System
Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack3 (build 2195)

Processor a Main Circuit Board 2.20 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64

128 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz

BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00PG 07/28/2004

Drives Memory Modules c,d
137.44 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
93.05 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5232K
[CD-ROM drive]

3.5" format removeable media [Floppy
drive]

WDC WD1600JB-00EVA0 [Hard drive] (160.04 GB) SMART Status: Healthy

1024 Megabytes Installed Memory

...Jim Thompson


So what did you decide on?

Cheers


A Dell OptiPlex 7020, Wimpows 7.1, just was delivered in the last
hour. I'll report weekend heartburn as I bring it on-line ;-)

...Jim Thompson


There good systems, We have a couple at work the newest one scored
better than the 5yr old Xeons we have.
Hope you have at least a DVI input on your monitor, the Optiplex is
Display port only and you should have gotten a DP to DVI adaptor in
the box.

Cheers
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Martin Riddle wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:16:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

I think it's time I upgraded my 'Spice' machine... my present machine
is as follows... no laughter please... I've successfully done at least
at least 20 chip designs on this machine. What modern equivalent
should I replace it with?

====================================

Computer Profile Summary
Computer Name:Analog3 (in ANALOG)

Profile Date:Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:59:53 AM

Operating System
Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack3 (build 2195)

Processor a Main Circuit Board 2.20 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64

128 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz

BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00PG 07/28/2004

Drives Memory Modules c,d
137.44 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
93.05 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5232K
[CD-ROM drive]

3.5" format removeable media [Floppy
drive]

WDC WD1600JB-00EVA0 [Hard drive] (160.04 GB) SMART Status: Healthy

1024 Megabytes Installed Memory

...Jim Thompson


So what did you decide on?

Cheers

I have SP4 available; it was a freebie on the web.
See screen capture.
Will Snail to you if you want.



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Jim Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:04:12 -0400, Martin Riddle
wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:16:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

I think it's time I upgraded my 'Spice' machine... my present machine
is as follows... no laughter please... I've successfully done at least
at least 20 chip designs on this machine. What modern equivalent
should I replace it with?

====================================

Computer Profile Summary
Computer Name:Analog3 (in ANALOG)

Profile Date:Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:59:53 AM

Operating System
Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack3 (build 2195)

Processor a Main Circuit Board 2.20 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64

128 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz

BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00PG 07/28/2004

Drives Memory Modules c,d
137.44 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
93.05 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5232K
[CD-ROM drive]

3.5" format removeable media [Floppy
drive]

WDC WD1600JB-00EVA0 [Hard drive] (160.04 GB) SMART Status: Healthy

1024 Megabytes Installed Memory

...Jim Thompson


So what did you decide on?

Cheers


A Dell OptiPlex 7020, Wimpows 7.1, just was delivered in the last
hour. I'll report weekend heartburn as I bring it on-line ;-)

...Jim Thompson

A genuine Smell? A white box wold have been better, me thinks.

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